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Author Topic: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box  (Read 176614 times)
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February 25, 2012, 01:37:48 AM
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Marking them as gift is no use, as you'll have to pay import tax even on gifts in the UK or EU after a certain amount (40 Euros as far as I know, when received as package).

And I don't see BFL undervaluing them in the customs  form, since they'd have difficulties to prove (to PayPal or Credit Card company) that they shipped indeed what you paid for. Maybe if you paid by bitcoin, but since they pulled that now I guess that would only be an option for a few lucky ones who ordered in the past.

Also, customs are not that stupid. If the parcel comes from Butterfly Labs they'll Google that (or just type the URL on the invoice) and come up with the real price of the item.

Unless BFL doesn't give a sh*t, then they'd send the parcel from a private address with a private name and say here's your 'magic electronics' you forgot at my place during our new year engineering session at my house. But I doubt customs would fall for that. Maybe they could pretend it being an RMA, but customs may ask you for proof that you actually sent something to them and that you paid tax when you originally bought the item. Might work for a second unit though, you could just pretend you sent your first one back and thats the new one (they will probably ask for a receipt to show you actually sent something back).

Either way, you are screwed if you live in Europe ;-)
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February 25, 2012, 01:40:51 AM
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Marking them as gift is no use, as you'll have to pay import tax even on gifts in the UK or EU after a certain amount (40 Euros as far as I know, when received as package).

And I don't see BFL undervaluing them in the customs  form, since they'd have difficulties to prove (to PayPal or Credit Card company) that they shipped indeed what you paid for. Maybe if you paid by bitcoin, but since they pulled that now I guess that would only be an option for a few lucky ones who ordered in the past.

Also, customs are not that stupid. If the parcel comes from Butterfly labs they'll Google that and come up with the real price of the item.

Unless BFL doesn't give a sh*t, then they'd send the parcel from a private address with a private name and say here's your 'magic electronics' you forgot at my place during our new year engineering session at my house. But I doubt customs would fall for that. Maybe they could pretend it being an RMA, but customs may ask you for proof that you actually sent something to them and that you paid tax when you originally bought the item.

Either way, you are screwed if you live in Europe ;-)



So what kind of fees am I looking at paying to Royal Mail for delivery on my £450 purchase?

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February 25, 2012, 01:45:27 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by courier, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.
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February 25, 2012, 01:46:47 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by couriers, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.



Sounds as we could use a reseller within EU.

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February 25, 2012, 01:54:20 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by couriers, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.



Sounds as we could use a reseller within EU.

I'd help do that if I can find enough storage?

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February 25, 2012, 01:55:58 AM
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Storage for what? A hundred singles could be stored in your trunk under your bed.
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February 25, 2012, 01:57:57 AM
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BFL is obviously so overwealmed by the Bitcoin community that they aren even answering their phones or returning emails at this point, lets help it turns around soon , I have been trying for two days to place an order for 2 BFL singles via dwolla and I cant seem to get ahold of ANYONE

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February 25, 2012, 03:37:06 AM
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BFL is obviously so overwealmed by the Bitcoin community that they aren even answering their phones or returning emails at this point, lets help it turns around soon , I have been trying for two days to place an order for 2 BFL singles via dwolla and I cant seem to get ahold of ANYONE
At least you got your order in queue. If price follows the rules of supply and demand then the price should be going UP!
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February 25, 2012, 03:53:47 AM
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I have just cancelled my order of 20 single units so this should be good news for all of you guys waiting in line.

Kudos to BFL for providing my refunds (PayPal) within 5 minutes of me sending an email. One of the refunds may take a while since I used T/T for payment.

I had 20 singles + 1 Rig Box on order but I decided to wait for a few months until they solved all the problems (extra fans, manually cutting holes in the bottom of the boxes) and I see more units out there. I'd hate to see my Rig Box arrive with an extra fan and a huge hole at the bottom of the case.
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February 25, 2012, 03:57:51 AM
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I have just cancelled my order of 20 single units so this should be good news for all of you guys waiting in line.

Kudos to BFL for providing my refunds (PayPal) within 5 minutes of me sending an email. One of the refunds may take a while since I used T/T for payment.

I had 20 singles + 1 Rig Box on order but I decided to wait for a few months until they solved all the problems (extra fans, manually cutting holes in the bottom of the boxes) and I see more units out there. I'd hate to see my Rig Box arrive with an extra fan and a huge hole at the bottom of the case.


thats some serious money...
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February 25, 2012, 11:59:58 AM
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Unless BFL doesn't give a sh*t, then they'd send the parcel from a private address with a private name and say here's your 'magic electronics' you forgot at my place during our new year engineering session at my house. But I doubt customs would fall for that. Maybe they could pretend it being an RMA, but customs may ask you for proof that you actually sent something to them and that you paid tax when you originally bought the item. Might work for a second unit though, you could just pretend you sent your first one back and thats the new one (they will probably ask for a receipt to show you actually sent something back).

Either way, you are screwed if you live in Europe ;-)

Frankfurt in Germany is a good and relax place to ship parcels...

BFL is obviously so overwealmed by the Bitcoin community that they aren even answering their phones or returning emails at this point, lets help it turns around soon , I have been trying for two days to place an order for 2 BFL singles via dwolla and I cant seem to get ahold of ANYONE

We apologize for any inconvenience. We've been processing orders as fast as we can, and catching up with
all of the inquires without delay has been proven to be a bit difficult. We will send your order details as soon as it is
possible for us.


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February 25, 2012, 07:03:27 PM
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Does this mean that you have a way to ship Eu-customers with our customs seeing the package originating from within the Eu ?
...and if not then what do you mean by this ?

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February 25, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
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Unless BFL doesn't give a sh*t, then they'd send the parcel from a private address with a private name and say here's your 'magic electronics' you forgot at my place during our new year engineering session at my house. But I doubt customs would fall for that. Maybe they could pretend it being an RMA, but customs may ask you for proof that you actually sent something to them and that you paid tax when you originally bought the item. Might work for a second unit though, you could just pretend you sent your first one back and thats the new one (they will probably ask for a receipt to show you actually sent something back).

Either way, you are screwed if you live in Europe ;-)

Frankfurt in Germany is a good and relax place to ship parcels...

BFL is obviously so overwealmed by the Bitcoin community that they aren even answering their phones or returning emails at this point, lets help it turns around soon , I have been trying for two days to place an order for 2 BFL singles via dwolla and I cant seem to get ahold of ANYONE

We apologize for any inconvenience. We've been processing orders as fast as we can, and catching up with
all of the inquires without delay has been proven to be a bit difficult. We will send your order details as soon as it is
possible for us.


Regards,

thanks BFL

I guess I will wait patiently for you to contact me. I want to order two BFL singles and I have the money ready to transfer out of dwolla the moment you give me the OK. I am really anxious to get this ball rolling

thanks!
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February 26, 2012, 12:03:10 AM
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Has BFL provided any comment as to why they have stopped taking bitcoin as payment?
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February 26, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by courier, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.


Yes. This is absolutely right.

I imported a laptop from the US once and I had to pay 2 things : about 30 GBP to Parcelforce for handling it in the UK and about 20% VAT from the declared value of the package as import duty.

So, in summary : EU / UK guys get SCREWED by import fees.

Let us do some calculations : 450 GBP just price + 30 GBP handling fee + 90 GBP duty = 570 GBP price for everything ( just one single ) ?

Does it come with 240V and UK plug support ?

Anyone in the UK can confirm actual figures once they get a unit, if possible ?

Thanks !
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February 26, 2012, 01:07:18 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by courier, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.


Yes. This is absolutely right.

I imported a laptop from the US once and I had to pay 2 things : about 30 GBP to Parcelforce for handling it in the UK and about 20% VAT from the declared value of the package as import duty.

So, in summary : EU / UK guys get SCREWED by import fees.

Let us do some calculations : 450 GBP just price + 30 GBP handling fee + 90 GBP duty = 570 GBP price for everything ( just one single ) ?

Does it come with 240V and UK plug support ?

Anyone in the UK can confirm actual figures once they get a unit, if possible ?

Thanks !

I live in the UK and put an order in yesterday via PayPal.  Will let everyone know as soon as it's delivered if no one beats me to it.

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February 26, 2012, 01:12:22 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by courier, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.


Yes. This is absolutely right.

I imported a laptop from the US once and I had to pay 2 things : about 30 GBP to Parcelforce for handling it in the UK and about 20% VAT from the declared value of the package as import duty.

So, in summary : EU / UK guys get SCREWED by import fees.

Let us do some calculations : 450 GBP just price + 30 GBP handling fee + 90 GBP duty = 570 GBP price for everything ( just one single ) ?

Does it come with 240V and UK plug support ?

Anyone in the UK can confirm actual figures once they get a unit, if possible ?

Thanks !

I live in the UK and put an order in yesterday via PayPal.  Will let everyone know as soon as it's delivered if no one beats me to it.

Do you know that it's going to take 4 to 6 weeks until you receive it?
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February 26, 2012, 06:05:45 AM
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Minimum 20% (VAT) of total value (including shipping cost) goes to her royal majesty if I am not wrong.

If it arrives by courier, they may charge another fee on top of that for the handling.

BFL has now put international shipping cost at $88 (forgot what it was before but lower I think), that smells like courier to me.


Yes. This is absolutely right.

I imported a laptop from the US once and I had to pay 2 things : about 30 GBP to Parcelforce for handling it in the UK and about 20% VAT from the declared value of the package as import duty.

So, in summary : EU / UK guys get SCREWED by import fees.

Let us do some calculations : 450 GBP just price + 30 GBP handling fee + 90 GBP duty = 570 GBP price for everything ( just one single ) ?

Does it come with 240V and UK plug support ?

Anyone in the UK can confirm actual figures once they get a unit, if possible ?

Thanks !

I live in the UK and put an order in yesterday via PayPal.  Will let everyone know as soon as it's delivered if no one beats me to it.

Do you know that it's going to take 4 to 6 weeks until you receive it?

Yes

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February 26, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
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i placed an order to pay with dwolla a few days ago, sent couple emails, PMs even called

trying to be patient... waiting for them to contact me
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February 26, 2012, 10:16:05 PM
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i placed an order to pay with dwolla a few days ago, sent couple emails, PMs even called

trying to be patient... waiting for them to contact me
Just called Sonny, its some sort of problem with web site, he's gonna fix it later.

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