sukottosan_d
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June 11, 2014, 08:23:25 PM |
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So when you send from original address A to the receiving address D , it goes to the mixer B, the mixer makes a new address C to send the amount to the receiver D? And Chaeplin doesn't get only A?
And chaeplin is adding that the mixer only uses one address for you, so once you know A, you can trace it. Which is what I said before. You have to assume A is known. I see, thanks. So there is no direct link but if you are forced to show your address then they can prove that you made a specific transaction. There are two conversations going on here at once. I want to deal with this side issue. You have to assume the user's address is known. Why? Bitcoin can change your address right now and use the same wallet...so some people think it's anonymous. It's not because you can tie all the transactions one person does back to an address. Once the address is known, you know all the transactions...bitcoin has always had that level of anonymity. This already exists in every implementation of every crypto-coin. That means nothing to this conversation. |
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atcsecure
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June 11, 2014, 08:23:45 PM |
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KimmyF
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June 11, 2014, 08:26:17 PM |
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So when you send from original address A to the receiving address D , it goes to the mixer B, the mixer makes a new address C to send the amount to the receiver D? And Chaeplin doesn't get only A?
And chaeplin is adding that the mixer only uses one address for you, so once you know A, you can trace it. Which is what I said before. You have to assume A is known. that is not how the mixer work's The highlevel summary is this The mixer tells the client to send coins to wallet b, however wallet C is used to send coins to the final user, there is NO link from wallet B to wallet C unless somebody manually moves the coins from C to B Manual 'transfers' within a mixer seems highly unlikely to me, don't you have to reconfigure & restart for that? is it also true that a mixer will forget (after x new addresses or so) the private keys for a temp address? |
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JakeThePanda
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June 11, 2014, 08:27:44 PM |
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Do you guys think we are missing a third leg up in this small uptrend? If feels to me like it was abruptly cut...
Stop looking for reasons the price hasn't gone higher. 3 touch points on a trend line is common. It went up 40% or so since yesterday. That's a lot and has nothing to do with what's going on here. So your saying that its over priced because it has nothing to do with anything on in here? Am I understanding this correctly? I'm just asking from a pure trading perspective: usualy there are 3 legs up and 2 down, but this one only has 2 up...so if feels to me that a third one is missing. I don't care about all this FUD. Trading 101: Nothing usually happens. If it did we would be at home trading in our underwear and never have to go to work again. I guarantee you if I search through thousands of charts I can show you instances of any number of legs in a move. 1, 2, 3 , 4, 5,etc. Also, a 3rd leg fail is called what? A double top. |
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sukottosan_d
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June 11, 2014, 08:28:38 PM |
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So when you send from original address A to the receiving address D , it goes to the mixer B, the mixer makes a new address C to send the amount to the receiver D? And Chaeplin doesn't get only A?
And chaeplin is adding that the mixer only uses one address for you, so once you know A, you can trace it. Which is what I said before. You have to assume A is known. I see, thanks. So there is no direct link but if you are forced to show your address then they can prove that you made a specific transaction. There are two conversations going on here at once. I want to deal with this side issue. You have to assume the user's address is known. Why? Bitcoin can change your address right now and use the same wallet...so some people think it's anonymous. It's not because you can tie all the transactions one person does back to an address. Once the address is known, you know all the transactions...bitcoin has always had that level of anonymity. This already exists in every implementation of every crypto-coin. That means nothing to this conversation. ATCSecure, I would appreciate if you could confirm this fact...since so many people jumping into this conversation - mistakenly do not understand this fact and its clouding the discussion which could be constructive. This is the fundamental principle on which your solution is built. The problem it is trying to solve, correct? Anonymizing a transaction even if the sender or receiver is known. |
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tristartek
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June 11, 2014, 08:28:47 PM |
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Sweet a MIXER?!?!!?!!! Now we're talking anonymity at its finest.
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June 11, 2014, 08:31:10 PM |
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IMJim
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June 11, 2014, 08:37:42 PM |
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Please excuse my ignorance here............
So the batch file that runs the Xnode "run-xc-xnode-mainnet.bat" runs this command line "x11coin-qt.exe -xmixer -listen -server". Isn't "-xmixer -listen -server" already being set via the config file? Can it stop Xnode from working if being told these commands twice?
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atcsecure
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June 11, 2014, 08:37:57 PM |
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So when you send from original address A to the receiving address D , it goes to the mixer B, the mixer makes a new address C to send the amount to the receiver D? And Chaeplin doesn't get only A?
And chaeplin is adding that the mixer only uses one address for you, so once you know A, you can trace it. Which is what I said before. You have to assume A is known. I see, thanks. So there is no direct link but if you are forced to show your address then they can prove that you made a specific transaction. There are two conversations going on here at once. I want to deal with this side issue. You have to assume the user's address is known. Why? Bitcoin can change your address right now and use the same wallet...so some people think it's anonymous. It's not because you can tie all the transactions one person does back to an address. Once the address is known, you know all the transactions...bitcoin has always had that level of anonymity. This already exists in every implementation of every crypto-coin. That means nothing to this conversation. ATCSecure, I would appreciate if you could confirm this fact...since so many people jumping into this conversation - mistakenly do not understand this fact and its clouding the discussion which could be constructive. This is the fundamental principle on which your solution is built. The problem it is trying to solve, correct? Anonymizing a transaction even if the sender or receiver is known. Yes the REV1 release hides sender even if you know the receiver's address |
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SpringfieldM1A
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June 11, 2014, 08:38:21 PM |
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in other news, can anyone point me to the latest wallet?
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phosphorush
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June 11, 2014, 08:39:04 PM |
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I think I need a whitepaper to really understand how this works  |
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June 11, 2014, 08:41:46 PM |
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Let's settle this once and for all in bold font.
Did Chaeplin find the original sender address in the challenge? Yes or no?
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atcsecure
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June 11, 2014, 08:42:04 PM |
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lets start with this wallet that received a payment from the mixer and we can walk through it backwards |
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SpringfieldM1A
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June 11, 2014, 08:43:25 PM |
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Let's settle this once and for all in bold font.
Did Chaeplin find the original sender address in the challenge? Yes or no?
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atcsecure
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June 11, 2014, 08:44:40 PM |
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and you have address XZvkTGD9hMiRuMByqCkHgRTNAu5J5fWnJV - which made the payment |
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