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July 02, 2014, 10:30:49 AM
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how long does it take for my balance to become effective to forge after sending to a new secure account (sent from dgex distribution account)
Stakeholders must make an outgoing transaction before block 2880 or they'll
have to wait 1440 blocks before they can forge. Non-stakeholder accounts must
always wait 1440 blocks after their first outgoing transaction
before they can forge.  

i have made an outgoing transaction on block 750 but my account still states i do not have any effective balance
EDIT i have transferred to a new account so im guessing i have to wait 1440 blocks?

same here guess we have to wait for 1440 more blocks

To be clear.. If you're a stakeholder you can forge before block 2880 (basically immediately) after you make an outgoing transaction.
If you use the JSON API you can even forge without making a transaction first.
I guess they force you to do a transaction in the NXT client since it's safer to do so.

If you're not a stakeholder then yes you must wait 1440 blocks (which is half a day because of the 30 sec block time)

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July 02, 2014, 10:38:14 AM
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how long does it take for my balance to become effective to forge after sending to a new secure account (sent from dgex distribution account)
Stakeholders must make an outgoing transaction before block 2880 or they'll
have to wait 1440 blocks before they can forge. Non-stakeholder accounts must
always wait 1440 blocks after their first outgoing transaction
before they can forge.  

i have made an outgoing transaction on block 750 but my account still states i do not have any effective balance
EDIT i have transferred to a new account so im guessing i have to wait 1440 blocks?

same here guess we have to wait for 1440 more blocks

To be clear.. If you're a stakeholder you can forge before block 2880 (basically immediately) after you make an outgoing transaction.
If you use the JSON API you can even forge without making a transaction first.
I guess they force you to do a transaction in the NXT client since it's safer to do so.

If you're not a stakeholder then yes you must wait 1440 blocks (which is half a day because of the 30 sec block time)

yep no worries, i also invested via dgex so its a mandatory transfer to a new account. Smiley

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July 02, 2014, 10:49:46 AM
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If someone want to buy small amounts of Fimk for BTC, feel free to pm me your offer Wink

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July 02, 2014, 10:52:38 AM
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If you guys want somewhere to send FIMK to generated a private key, to start forging... here is an address! Smiley

FIM-DT4P-V9M7-JN4G-7NNS5

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July 02, 2014, 10:59:14 AM
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You can make the first transfer to your own address. No need to send money to someone else.
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July 02, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
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You can make the first transfer to your own address. No need to send money to someone else.

Really?
Now I lost 0.2 Fimks  Embarrassed Cry

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July 02, 2014, 11:08:49 AM
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You can make the first transfer to your own address. No need to send money to someone else.

Really?
Now I lost 0.2 Fimks  Embarrassed Cry
Ye, you can send me 0.2 more for the consultation Smiley
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July 02, 2014, 11:10:46 AM
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all work
thanks for all
i wait 1440 now and lets go forging  Grin Grin Grin Grin





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July 02, 2014, 11:29:07 AM
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You can make the first transfer to your own address. No need to send money to someone else.

Really?
Now I lost 0.2 Fimks  Embarrassed Cry
Ye, you can send me 0.2 more for the consultation Smiley

lol, sorry but your consultation come too late.
I already lost it.

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July 02, 2014, 11:36:55 AM
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Has account leasing been disabled?

I was confused too why I can't find it now?
I saw it somewhere at test net.

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July 02, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
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Has account leasing been disabled?

Yes it's disabled.

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July 02, 2014, 11:41:45 AM
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No trading thread yet? Cheesy
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July 02, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
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No trading thread yet? Cheesy

Want to buy some?
Pm me your offer.

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July 02, 2014, 11:44:04 AM
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You can make the first transfer to your own address. No need to send money to someone else.

Really?
Now I lost 0.2 Fimks  Embarrassed Cry
Ye, you can send me 0.2 more for the consultation Smiley

lol, sorry but your consultation come too late.
I already lost it.
This information can be applied for any other new FIMK accounts created, as well as for NXT and it's clones.
Plus a good thing to know, that you can always specify a lowest fee (0.1) for any transaction, no matter how large the amount is. It is especially actual for FIMK now, because forging node will get his 200 coins anyway.
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July 02, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
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Has account leasing been disabled?

Yes it's disabled.

May I ask why?  I have a VPS account waiting for a lease so it can forge safely.

Is it still accessible using the API?

It was considered unsafe at the time of development, especially in combination with the added POS rewards.
Also still lots of changes are made to account lease in NXT core.
We will enable it if the community wants it but we'll have to make choices here this requires resources, we'll have to adjust the automated test env, the core code and so on.

There also is the issue of trust when it comes to leasing your stake. You must trust the lease pool owner to pay you, while this could easily be done from within the protocol where the forger fees could be paid  automatically based on a pre-set percentage.

Getting to a launchable product took a lot of time and effort, now that that's behind us we can start thinking as a community where to head from here.


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July 02, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
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Did anyone reviewed the client for malicious stuff?
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July 02, 2014, 11:58:23 AM
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IMPORTANT, FOR DEVS! You must add valid hash/SHA for downloadable wallet in OP! Nxt suffered on early stage from malicious wallet-files. Always provide hash

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July 02, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
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Someone is creating a lot of aliases:
7/2/2014 12:38:04   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:58   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:53   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:47   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:42   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:35   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:28   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:21   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:11   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:37:04   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:58   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:49   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:42   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:37   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:30   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:24   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:36:17   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
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7/2/2014 12:35:52   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:46   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:40   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:34   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:27   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:20   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:13   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:35:07   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:26:22   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:26:10   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:26:02   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:25:51   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:25:42   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:23:25   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:23:16   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:23:07   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:22:59   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:22:53   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:22:46   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:22:38   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:22:28   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:21:05   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:20:57   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:20:09   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:19:59   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:19:53   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:19:38   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:16:46   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
7/2/2014 12:14:54   Account Info      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
11/24/2013 15:00:00   Ordinary payment      9'999'736   0   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ
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July 02, 2014, 12:02:40 PM
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Someone is creating a lot of aliases:
7/2/2014 12:38:04   Alias assignment      0   0.1   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ

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11/24/2013 15:00:00   Ordinary payment      9'999'736   0   FIM-MRCC-2YLS-8M54-3CMAJ

So, what is the problem with that?

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July 02, 2014, 12:06:51 PM
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IMPORTANT, FOR DEVS! You must add valid SHA for downloadable wallet in OP! Nxt suffered on early stage from malicious wallet-files. Always provide SHA

We use GPG signed announcements that contain both SHA and MD5 hashed.
You can see it our forum where we announce the releases.
http://forum.fimk.fi/index.php?topic=32.msg135;topicseen#msg135

Edit: and on our github page
https://github.com/fimkrypto/fimk/releases/tag/v0.2.0x

I understand the complications.  But please consider the use case that doesn't involve pooling.  Simply used for account protection, as is my intention.
I control accounts A and B.  A has high balance and a very protected passphrase.  B is kept low balance and unlocked to forge on a networked Virtual Private Server (VPS), to which a third party may have access (VPS provider).  My wish is to lease A balance to B so that I can forge without risking the balance of A.
This is a very desirable feature IMHO.
Is leasing still available using the API?  If it is, do you consider it safe to use?

Interesting use case. And all completely reasonable it's just not my decision alone.
Leasing is disabled in the core so no API sorry.

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