NEM Official Non-Moderated Thread [Updates & Discussion]

[xtester]

I would like to propose a self-moderated thread again.

I am 100% for free speech, however, free speech does not entail trolling. I'm afraid people misunderstand this because they also misunderstand what freedom means. Freedom entails some kind of self-imposed limitations. We are free in so far as we don't intentionally wrong our neighbor. We simply cannot enter someone's house and kill them or destroy their home and claim we have done it in the name of our freedom. We are not free to do such things and if we do them we have to pay a big price for that. Similarly, with free speech, we are free to express our opinions and thoughts, even disagree and criticize whatever we want but that freedom becomes the seed of destruction when in the name of free speech we allow people to deliberately and intentionally troll and destroy our hard work(without paying any price).

This is not freedom, it looks more like madness and there seems to be a great incentive on the internet for people to do that, because at least for now, they don't have to pay any price for their deeds however dreadful they may be. I am not interested in political correctness, I'm only interested in what is right and what is wrong, and allowing trolls to run free in our "home" seems obviously wrong.

If we have a self-moderated thread it does not mean we will delete every comment which criticizes or disagrees with us. As long as this is done with a minimal degree of decency every discussion is welcomed. But trolling should never be allowed just because the system we use is to dumb to find a way to penalize such behaviour.

So what shall it be fellow Nemsters, right or wrong? Remember, whatever our decision we will be the ones who will suffer the effect or consequence.

I genuinely believe support for a self-moderated topic is a farce. From what i can see, there's a number of users in this thread that use similar mannerisms and sentence structure to our beloved Come-From-Above; implying that, there's a good chance he's using multiple accounts to peddle an agenda.

From what i can gather, i think support for a self-moderated topic -- if carried through -- will just simply be used as ammunition for the troll(s) and their accounts once it's done; hence why the idea is supported.


The best course of action, is, again, stop acknowledging suspicious users. Don't quote them, don't reply to them, dont give them the spotlight they so desperately seek. Only constructive posts, and legitimate idea's and criticisms should be responded to. For the record though, I am neither for or against a self-moderated topic. What i am for is a bit of community cohesion to see through the blatent trolls. This subject has already been given more attention then it deserves.

An alternative that i can think of is moving all discussion to the main NEM forums, if people are that concerned.

Someone who wants to peddle their own agenda has every right to start their own thread (which CFA's already has) and do what they will . That doesn't mean we should put up with with these activities on OUR space. There is a line between free speech and slander. Most of is are reasonable people and I can't see many being opposed to putting a stop to these childish posts. This is supposed to be. Place for adults and some have not proven their puberty .

Yes, i agree. Nonetheless i'm just stating what i think the consequences could be. Seeing as the previous thread was self-moderated (and not censored, to the dismay of trolls) doing so again is hardly against NEM's interests.

I merely state what i do purely so any spectators know we've weighed up the outcomes. As i've already stated i'm not fussed what way we go given the current circumstances. All we need to ensure is, if it is self-moderated, it's done so with freedom of speech in mind. It was accomplished before, it can be done again. Ideally, we wouldn't moderate the topic - of which i'd be very content with - but we're not being given much options.

We have consequences either way. Our ideal situation has ceased to exist.

Considering our current situation and more importantly, what we want to achieve we should take our chances and make a wise move. Will we waste time, energy and further allow for any intelligent discussion to be killed by trolls or will we take responsibility and decide for ourselves the course we want to go on by cleaning up this mess and making sure we rebuild our community?

I think in order to rebuild a healthy discussion and community we need to make the harder and obvious chooce of cheaning up things(which we already did internally) and cutting this troll desease at its roots. That's the only way we will grow again organically.

[From Above]

I think in order to rebuild a healthy discussion and community we need to make the harder and obvious chooce of cheaning up things(which we already did internally) and cutting this troll desease at its roots. That's the only way we will grow again organically.

+1 we need to change core of project. lets drop the hypocrite babbledibabble of Equalitarian and Freedom. NEM have no place for weak thing like freedom of speech. we need money inflow not equal rights.

NEM is too little and weak Bebe to allow freedom now. we need to censor more to fuck the subhuman trolling.

[illodin]

the amount of extra money i have made due to early sockpuppet accounts (too easy to even talk about it) in supposedly "fair" and "nicely distributed NEM" is the epitome of ridiculous. several thousand USD completely for free. thank u guys and most importantly thank u utopianfuture for pulling this utter community betray off in the first place  

special thx to utopianfuture for the idea of trading nemstakes on nxt ae and actually sending the nemstakes to me, himself and the others who took a profit in NEM before any release whatsoever. SORRY to the majority who suffer(s)/(ed), but our gain is ur loss.

Nice. Post pictures of your trading history then, thanks.

[Totem22]

I think in order to rebuild a healthy discussion and community we need to make the harder and obvious chooce of cheaning up things(which we already did internally) and cutting this troll desease at its roots. That's the only way we will grow again organically.

Making NEM sockpuppets is so easy. It just took a bit more time compared to when I mined 1 million bitcoin in 2009 and sent 5 Btc to Nxt genesis block.

Hi whale, send me some btc ? you said you mined 1 million bitcoin in 2009 right ?

[From Above]

I think in order to rebuild a healthy discussion and community we need to make the harder and obvious chooce of cheaning up things(which we already did internally) and cutting this troll desease at its roots. That's the only way we will grow again organically.

+1 we need to change core of project. lets drop the hypocrite babbledibabble of Equalitarian and Freedom. NEM have no place for weak thing like freedom of speech. we need money inflow not equal rights.

NEM is too little and weak Bebe to allow freedom now. we need to censor more to fuck the subhuman trolling.

Hi whale, send me some btc ? you said you mined 1 million bitcoin in 2009 right ?

if one follow the quote link u posted https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.msg7324759#msg7324759
it leads to entirely different statement. good try on trolling!

i dont have and not had 1 million bitcoin my friend. what i have is enough for life without day job though. thank u for asking.

[Totem22]

I think in order to rebuild a healthy discussion and community we need to make the harder and obvious chooce of cheaning up things(which we already did internally) and cutting this troll desease at its roots. That's the only way we will grow again organically.

Making NEM sockpuppets is so easy. It just took a bit more time compared to when I mined 1 million bitcoin in 2009 and sent 5 Btc to Nxt genesis block.

Hi whale, send me some btc ? you said you mined 1 million bitcoin in 2009 right ?

i dont have 1 million bitcoin anymore my friend. what i have is enough for life without day job though. thank u for asking.

No wonder you spent all your btc given your lifestyle. 5btc to Nxt genesis block = 250 million Nxt. Wow such a whale. You are killing every crypto man. Such style. Much success. Send me some Nxt.

[Daedelus]

I thought CfA was a Nemer till I came here   Seems nobody likes him.

He is trying to create divisions here and then spamming NEM everywhere else as a fanboi. I guess whipping up irritation and annoyance at NEM from outside while being an anchor to development in the inside might cause the price to drop, as is his aim.

I don't know what you can do but he is doing damage to NEM in the whole crypto community.

[From Above]

I don't know what you can do but he is doing damage to NEM in the whole crypto community.

dont talk nonsense dude. u are just envy Nxt shill. i am nem abassador.

[sevenyears26]

I thought CfA was a Nemer till I came here   Seems nobody likes him.

He is trying to create divisions here and then spamming NEM everywhere else as a fanboi. I guess whipping up irritation and annoyance at NEM from outside while being an anchor to development in the inside might cause the price to drop, as is his aim.

I don't know what you can do but he is doing damage to NEM in the whole crypto community.

Do your civic duty and ignore

[Totem22]

I thought CfA was a Nemer till I came here   Seems nobody likes him.

He is trying to create divisions here and then spamming NEM everywhere else as a fanboi. I guess whipping up irritation and annoyance at NEM from outside while being an anchor to development in the inside might cause the price to drop, as is his aim.

I don't know what you can do but he is doing damage to NEM in the whole crypto community.

Do your civic duty and ignore

There is no such thing as bad publicity   Let the troll do his work.

[Daedelus]

I don't know what you can do but he is doing damage to NEM in the whole crypto community.

dont talk nonsense dude. u are just envy Nxt shill. i am nem ab ass ador.

FIFY. STFU and GTFO dude  

What is a envy Nxt shill? The devs held Nxt, likely still do I'd guess. Do you see them trying to whip up animosity?

[illodin]

the amount of extra money i have made due to early sockpuppet accounts (too easy to even talk about it) in supposedly "fair" and "nicely distributed NEM" is the epitome of ridiculous. several thousand USD completely for free. thank u guys and most importantly thank u utopianfuture for pulling this utter community betray off in the first place  

special thx to utopianfuture for the idea of trading nemstakes on nxt ae and actually sending the nemstakes to me, himself and the others who took a profit in NEM before any release whatsoever. SORRY to the majority who suffer(s)/(ed), but our gain is ur loss.

Nice. Post pictures of your trading history then, thanks.

No?

[From Above]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

[Daedelus]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

[From Above]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast.

We are not Nxt Noobs.

[Daedelus]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast.

Is that why you feel the need to troll NEM everywhere you can, you are insecure? Talk to us, we can help 

[From Above]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast.

Is that why you feel the need to troll NEM everywhere you can, you are insecure? Talk to us, we can help 

I never trolled. I rule NEM slaves.  FOR FINancial FREEDOM! Enrich stakeholder!

Nxt was a joke compared to how NEM will rise and fluorish.

[Totem22]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast. I am a whale.

Is that why you feel the need to troll NEM everywhere you can, you are insecure? Talk to us, we can help  

I changed my opinion to not close this thread. Such fun trolling the troll. Wow no. Such a whale. 

[Daedelus]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast.

Is that why you feel the need to troll NEM everywhere you can, you are insecure? Talk to us, we can help 

I never trolled. I rule NEM slaves.  FOR FINancial FREEDOM! Enrich stakeholder!

Nxt was a joke compared to how NEM will rise and fluorish.

We can help you with your compulsive lying to and superiority dillusions. Come on, let it all out. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

[Daedelus]

Nem is nothing without me and UtopianFuture. Face it.

Why?

Still very very weak infant. We have to Grow NEM to a beast. I am a whale.

Is that why you feel the need to troll NEM everywhere you can, you are insecure? Talk to us, we can help  

I changed my opinion to not close this thread. Such fun trolling the troll. Wow no. Such a whale. 

Can we start a donation fund? "Come-from-Above: We love you and want to help"?