wiser
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October 10, 2014, 05:40:45 PM |
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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but have we gotten any farther than token registration yet?
Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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corjette
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October 10, 2014, 05:54:01 PM |
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why not to buy nem gold and silver coins and send them to deserving stake holders as a gift
+1 Nakamoto! A coin for every stakeholder would be awesome. +1 +1 price of silver coin is 0,085 Nem stake (6/7 discount), for that option we need about 180 unregistered shares. Every stakeholder got's nem silver coin and devs got shares for development (xtester idea is great) |
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starfishi
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October 10, 2014, 06:12:05 PM |
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Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
Yes, time shouldn´t be relevant, concerning owning rights ! ! edit: i´m surprised, we´re discussing any other option else . . . |
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lordoliver
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October 10, 2014, 06:15:51 PM |
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Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
Yes, time shouldn´t be relevant, concerning owning rights ! ! I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution. If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice. |
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Eadeqa
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October 10, 2014, 06:20:14 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution.
If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice.
Unless the owner of bitcointalk decides to steal all unclaimed coins an year later, and no one will know, as the coins will be unclaimed. |
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lordoliver
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October 10, 2014, 06:27:59 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution.
If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice.
Unless the owner of bitcointalk decides to steal all unclaimed coins an year later, and no one will know, as the coins will be unclaimed. Naysayer. He had time enough and he will risk his reputation then as well, as any of the stakeholders can get the coins at any time... |
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starfishi
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October 10, 2014, 06:37:58 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution.
If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice.
Unless the owner of bitcointalk decides to steal all unclaimed coins an year later, and no one will know, as the coins will be unclaimed. And its rightly theirs, after all, they believed in NEM in the first place and deserve it. The reasons for not beeing able to claim it now, are manifold, think about it . . . But, yes, we have to figure out a way, that can not be gamed by others ! (still cannot believe, we´re discussing any other options) |
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dandruff1138
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October 10, 2014, 06:42:38 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close
(still cannot believe, we´re discussing any other options)
Agreed we shouldn't be. |
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TaunSew
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October 10, 2014, 06:47:38 PM |
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I put it through word count and there's only 818 stakeholders who registered, plus the other 700-something who had claimed tokens.
So we are looking at only 1600 stake-tokens so far but there's still 2/3rd of a month left. Might end up with 600-800 unclaimed stakes. NODE had 200-something who couldn't complete the steps to claim their accounts and they had a distribution around 1000.
Unlike NODE, a PM was sent for NEM which notifies them both on BTT and on the registered email they had used to register for BTT.
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There ain't no Revolution like a NEMolution. The only solution is Bitcoin's dissolution! NEM!
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October 10, 2014, 06:48:55 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution.
If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice.
Unless the owner of bitcointalk decides to steal all unclaimed coins an year later, and no one will know, as the coins will be unclaimed. the owner of bct has around 5 mill worth of btc.. i dont think he cares about nem  |
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October 10, 2014, 06:52:11 PM |
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I would create a random password as a key for the account and send them the password by bitcointalk. This way management can close distribution.
If they don't take it, its like destroying. And if they realize after a year, that they have a lot of money there, its nice.
Unless the owner of bitcointalk decides to steal all unclaimed coins an year later, and no one will know, as the coins will be unclaimed. Naysayer. He had time enough and he will risk his reputation then as well, as any of the stakeholders can get the coins at any time... Agreed the owner of bitcointalks reputation is worth a shit load more than say few hundred BTCthose behind the China firewall bought, invested, aka volunteered with nem. Nem in solidarity, is this for the many or for the few. |
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starfishi
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October 10, 2014, 07:00:07 PM |
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It feels to me, like we´re trying to decide who gets his shoes, while he is, by accident, paralized from the hip down. But when he recovers later and starts to walk again, he will ask us: " where are my damn shoes ? ? "  Ok, well, but theres a point, no ? Doesn´t NEM stand for exactly this situation: equallity, opportunity and that stuff, for which we long for . . ? ? |
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TaunSew
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October 10, 2014, 07:08:08 PM |
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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but have we gotten any farther than token registration yet?
Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
+1 big wall of text I read through each paragraph and I feel most of us probably agree with this. Too much liability in holding huge amounts for people who may never show up. |
There ain't no Revolution like a NEMolution. The only solution is Bitcoin's dissolution! NEM!
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October 10, 2014, 07:14:50 PM |
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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but have we gotten any farther than token registration yet?
Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
+1 big wall of text I read through each paragraph and I feel most of us probably agree with this. Too much liability in holding huge amounts for people who may never show up. It's doest need to be held forever, just 6-12 months. 1 month is a pointless limit to make, why not make it longer, 3 months at least. |
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rabbiter
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October 10, 2014, 07:17:52 PM |
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This is shows a troubling viewpoint?
"being nice(holding peoples stakes indefinitely) gets people no where in life or in business. in business, which is what this is, you have to be ruthless and do what you have to succeed."
Where did new economy for all etc etc, so now it's dog eat dog and business has no business being anything other than ruthless?
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voidjarhead
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October 10, 2014, 07:24:16 PM |
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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but have we gotten any farther than token registration yet?
Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
+1 holding the coins indefinitely is madness in my mind.. anyone who takes more than a month to claim ether doesnt care about nem in the slightest or hasnt bothered their ass to find away around any blocks that might be in place stopping them from claiming. now if these people who dont care find out months down the line that they can claim their nem as its worth say 5 thousand.. the first thing they will do is claim and then dump it asap. if they dont care about it enough to claim it why would they hold it once they do claim it? so these people are of zero benefit to nem. now lets think if these coins are distributed to people who do care, they will benefit nem, if they are used to help nem progress by investing the money in development or marketing that will benefit nem hugely. not only that but if say 400-500 stakes are held in limbo then that will be knocked off the market cap because of CMC's new rules. not only that but there will be claims that the devs are keeping them for themselves instead of distributing them. then there is also the risk that the coins being held in one massive account get lost for what ever reason and then the devs would be accused of stealing them and there is no coming back from that. then there will also be fears that if the devs hold that many, they could get bored with nem and decide to just dump all the coins and run with the money, i dont believe that will happen but thats where fud comes from. there are far more downsides to holding all the unclaimed indefinitely than there are pro's. i would agree to hold say, 50 stakes for 6 months so 50 people have the opportunity to claim with in 6 months on a first come first serve basis but any more than that would be stupid. putting the coins to use in various ways like funding development, mass marketing like no crypto has ever seen, bounties galore that sort of thing will turn nem into a serious challenger to bitcoin. we have to throw everything we have at this and we only get one chance to do it right and imo holding hundreds of stakes in an idle account for months or years is probably up there with the worst of things we could do with the coins and probably the riskiest of routes to take also. imagine what nem would be worth if we pumped out business rules, asset exchange, voting system, a digital market place(a far better one than nxt) and all the other major core features in 6 months which i think could be done if more devs were to come on board on top of the 5, super devs, we already have. now imagine if we could release a killer mobile app on top of that in a couple of months, fund all sorts of business that pop up around nem in order to thrust nem into astronomical growth over a 12 month period the likes no crypto has seen before, fund a full time marketing team to spread the word, do all sorts of things to spread nem to the masses like a stellar style give away? the possibilities are endless but we have to take the bull by the horns as rockethead says. being nice(holding peoples stakes indefinitely) gets people no where in life or in business. in business, which is what this is, you have to be ruthless and do what you have to succeed. again, we have one good shot at this, so are we going to be nice to those who dont benefit nem and are not bothered about nem, or are we going forget about that/those that do not matter to run head first with what we have and throw everything we got at this and in order to succeed? who are you to say those fucked over by the commy firewall dont care and this 1 fucking month is it. Is this a buisness to you or a movement. You sound like a commy banker . |
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wiser
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October 10, 2014, 07:27:54 PM |
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Forgive me if this has been answered before, but have we gotten any farther than token registration yet?
Also, my vote would be to hold the unclaimed stakes indefinitely. They belong to whoever bought them in the first place.
+1 big wall of text I read through each paragraph and I feel most of us probably agree with this. Too much liability in holding huge amounts for people who may never show up. It's doest need to be held forever, just 6-12 months. 1 month is a pointless limit to make, why not make it longer, 3 months at least. I see the issues with holding indefinitely. But I think some extended period, like one year, would be appropriate. It would probably best to work out details with a reputable escrow service. |
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October 10, 2014, 07:29:53 PM |
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My vote would be to keep it as a development fund. To compete with NXT, BTSX, Ethereum we need big money. Just look at the resources those guys have.
In the end this is going to benefit us all.
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October 10, 2014, 07:39:06 PM |
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Ok, ok, ok, i´ll settle for " MOAR TIME "
Just lets be generous, NEMsters are generous people, right ? ?
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October 10, 2014, 07:40:53 PM |
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My vote would be to keep it as a development fund. To compete with NXT, BTSX, Ethereum we need big money. Just look at the resources those guys have.
In the end this is going to benefit us all.
But I think it is very important to do all that is reasonably possible to give every investor every possible chance to claim their stake. We don't know all the reasons why stakes have not been claimed. I do know that since there is no email list it is possible to miss info unless one regularly checks this thread. If an entire country (China) has blocked access to the thread, then that is going to be a challenge for any stakeholders living in that country. We need to give them every chance to recover their stake. When they invested they weren't making a donation. They also may not be very technically oriented (as in attempting to use TOR to circumvent the block). I don't necessarily know what the best solution is, but I definitely believe all these issues should be heavily weighed. |
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