[ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes

[LeongTap]

While people have the ability to do these things, it does go against the grain. Avoiding pools on the one hand, having optimized miners take advantage of the solo miners on the other.

Why is this only a problem for SPR?

Couldn't I optimize my mining software to mine DRK more efficiently, then take my new miner to a pool and mine DRK?

Yes. 100%.

But, what's the point of having a USP of solo mining, when there is the ability to optimize the miner and create centralization by other means?

Centralization doesn't just mean control by pools. The notion of mining as Satoshi had intended was raised early on. Well Satoshi also asked for mining through consensus of a gentleman's agreement to play fair.

The average total coins generated across the network per day stays the same.  Faster machines just get a larger share than slower machines.  If everyone bought faster machines, they wouldn't get more coins than before.

We should have a gentleman's agreement to postpone the GPU arms race as long as we can for the good of the network.  It's much easer to get new users up to speed if they don't have to worry about GPU drivers and compatibility. It's nice how anyone with just a CPU can compete fairly equally right now.

I have no issue with anyone using their skills to make what they can. I have no issue with anyone gloating that they used their skills to earn a profit.

But you can't promote fair solo mining, when mining is, in reality, anything but fair.

A solution to both pools and optimized mining should be proposed.  Otherwise, its a nil sum game over mining with pools.

In your words and satoshi's, why are you nitpicking against SPR's solo mining then ?
By your logic, shouldn't the entire community be upset that the Nvidia Maxwell cards outperforms all previous nvidia cards and all AMD alternatives by a large margin an unfair advantage to newcomers vs old gpu miners ?
Shouldn't everyone be gentlemanly and use the same model of CPU or GPU to mine ?
Shouldn't those who got lucky and get more blocks per day than they should by probability donate out all extras to others ?
What is FAIR ? What is DECENTRALIZATION ?

[georgem]

I'd release the working bins for probably around 2 BTC - which is about what I'd make off it in the next 31 days.

2 BTC ~ 6666 SPR
6666 SPR / 31 ~ 215 SPR/day
Daily minted SPR ~ 9000
Net hash ~ 4000 MH/s

(215/9000) * 4000 ~ 95 MH/s.

How many 290's are you running?

wow, you are a veritable detective!

[wow!NotAgain]

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But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

[georgem]

I'd release the working bins for probably around 2 BTC - which is about what I'd make off it in the next 31 days.

2 BTC ~ 6666 SPR
6666 SPR / 31 ~ 215 SPR/day
Daily minted SPR ~ 9000
Net hash ~ 4000 MH/s

(215/9000) * 4000 ~ 95 MH/s.

How many 290's are you running?

wow, you are a veritable detective!

Again, not what I'm running, my fee.

Yes, I saw your answer too late.

[georgem]

Damn, we now have 1400 MNs, ...

I'd like to setup a few more MNs, if someone could help me with the necessairy "juice"

http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94.msg2116#msg2116

[tokyoghetto]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

[MyFarm]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

Correct.  1440 max (at least on testnet.  Mr. Spread MAY change this for mainnet but has not hinted that he will).  They are determined by balance.

Yes, you can kick someone else off by putting more SPR in them.  This is what we're currently testing on testnet.

[tokyoghetto]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

Correct.  1440 max (at least on testnet.  Mr. Spread MAY change this for mainnet but has not hinted that he will).  They are determined by balance.

Yes, you can kick someone else off by putting more SPR in them.  This is what we're currently testing on testnet.

It would be nice if Mr.Spread would just be firm on making it only 1440 MN. This information is crucial to the amount I am willing to invest in spreadcoin.

[MyFarm]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

Correct.  1440 max (at least on testnet.  Mr. Spread MAY change this for mainnet but has not hinted that he will).  They are determined by balance.

Yes, you can kick someone else off by putting more SPR in them.  This is what we're currently testing on testnet.

It would be nice if Mr.Spread would just be firm on making it only 1440 MN. This information is crucial to the amount I am willing to invest in spreadcoin.

Yeah, I've been trying to hammer it down as well.  He's pretty tight lipped about everything.

[tokyoghetto]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

Correct.  1440 max (at least on testnet.  Mr. Spread MAY change this for mainnet but has not hinted that he will).  They are determined by balance.

Yes, you can kick someone else off by putting more SPR in them.  This is what we're currently testing on testnet.

It would be nice if Mr.Spread would just be firm on making it only 1440 MN. This information is crucial to the amount I am willing to invest in spreadcoin.

Yeah, I've been trying to hammer it down as well.  He's pretty tight lipped about everything.

Well if he isn't going to do a minimum amount like DRK then he should limit the amount of MN and have them compete. I like the ranking system of only having 1440 master nodes.

[Youghoor]

I hope someone can answer my questions for me.

So spreadcoin will only allow 1440 MN to exist at anyone time correct?

The amount to run a MN is decided by the top 1440 addresses acting as Masternodes in regard to account balance?

So if I am MN #1400 with a balance if 600 SPR, someone can setup a MN with a balance of 601 SPR, bump me down to 1439 and I lose the ability to act as a MN?

Correct.  1440 max (at least on testnet.  Mr. Spread MAY change this for mainnet but has not hinted that he will).  They are determined by balance.

Yes, you can kick someone else off by putting more SPR in them.  This is what we're currently testing on testnet.

It would be nice if Mr.Spread would just be firm on making it only 1440 MN. This information is crucial to the amount I am willing to invest in spreadcoin.

Right figure is must in order to make the investment.

[pokeytex]

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But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

[zmija]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

[ocminer]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

[ocminer]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

[zmija]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

Oh, I see.

I was mining on both and since linux nvidia drivers a well behind windows i was getting only 1200 khs and on windows 1500 khs with gtx 860, but i wasn't trying to mine on linux with 280x. CPU mining is also better on windows for 40 khs and i have i7-4710HQ

[ocminer]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

Oh, I see.

I was mining on both and since linux nvidia drivers a well behind windows i was getting only 1200 khs and on windows 1500 khs with gtx 860, but i wasn't trying to mine on linux with 280x. CPU mining is also better on windows for 40 khs and i have i7-4710HQ

Ah I made the same experience with ccminer at Win/Lin and first thought I did something wrong with building the miner.. Performance is really better on Windows.

If you're interested in joining a (secure) pool, I'm starting an open beta these days for the small/regular miners on my pool, I already did some private testing and need more miners to get some stresstest done.

I got all miners ready for Linux but only ccminer for Windows (nvidia) atm.

[zmija]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

Oh, I see.

I was mining on both and since linux nvidia drivers a well behind windows i was getting only 1200 khs and on windows 1500 khs with gtx 860, but i wasn't trying to mine on linux with 280x. CPU mining is also better on windows for 40 khs and i have i7-4710HQ

40kh/s? You should be able to get better than that - even on a mobile CPU. My desktop CPU gets 300kh/s+ on SPR with the stock in-wallet miner.

Well Wolf0 i get 55-65 khs on linux and on windows 90-100 khs with 7 cores (not using 8 )
Do u use Xeon to get 300+?

[zmija]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

Oh, I see.

I was mining on both and since linux nvidia drivers a well behind windows i was getting only 1200 khs and on windows 1500 khs with gtx 860, but i wasn't trying to mine on linux with 280x. CPU mining is also better on windows for 40 khs and i have i7-4710HQ

Ah I made the same experience with ccminer at Win/Lin and first thought I did something wrong with building the miner.. Performance is really better on Windows.

If you're interested in joining a (secure) pool, I'm starting an open beta these days for the small/regular miners on my pool, I already did some private testing and need more miners to get some stresstest done.

I got all miners ready for Linux but only ccminer for Windows (nvidia) atm.

PM me when your pool will be ready and i'll join u so we can see how this pool of yours will be performing

[ocminer]

-- snip --

But for 2 BTC u can get 290x and compensate for lover hashrate and when the mining days of SPR is over u can use it for other coins

Think big, is meant for those GPU farms with tens or hundreds of GPUs.

I'm mining over two days 2 x r9 280 not single block.  I see now because farms using optimized miner getting all the blocks.  Not even chance to get few coins on pool.  Wasted time mining just burn electricity.  I give up and stop mining.  This is big farm coin only.

LOL - not true - I mine from my little home with (10) 750ti's and hit blocks every day - my block range is somewhere between 4-8 blocks per day.

I have 2x ASUS R9 280x and one GTX 860 and i get around 5.5 Mhs and in 8 days = 100 SPR (around 2-3 blocks per day) + luck (finding those blocks) + difficulty.

Are you mining on linux or windows ?

It shouldn't matter much.

It matters for me as I'm seeking for some testers...  (and I cannot get Win sgminer compiled correctly currently)

Oh, I see.

I was mining on both and since linux nvidia drivers a well behind windows i was getting only 1200 khs and on windows 1500 khs with gtx 860, but i wasn't trying to mine on linux with 280x. CPU mining is also better on windows for 40 khs and i have i7-4710HQ

Ah I made the same experience with ccminer at Win/Lin and first thought I did something wrong with building the miner.. Performance is really better on Windows.

If you're interested in joining a (secure) pool, I'm starting an open beta these days for the small/regular miners on my pool, I already did some private testing and need more miners to get some stresstest done.

I got all miners ready for Linux but only ccminer for Windows (nvidia) atm.

PM me when your pool will be ready and i'll join u so we can see how this pool of yours will be performing

Oh the pool is ready since quite some time, its more about the miners

Which miner would you like start testing with ?