Scientific proof that God exists?

[1echo]

god doesnt exist unless u proof otherwise

[cocos]

The Jewish religion bullshit, setbacks the humanity for 1700 years. It is time to threw it in the trash where it belongs.

[Decksperiment]

god doesnt exist unless u proof otherwise

And the point of this statement is?

What do you think I'm trying to do here?

I'm not only trying to find proof of this 'god', I'm also trying to disprove it..

You sound like a shop assistant, you know, like, I as a customer walk in to 'browse' the fact's and the 'fiction', you come up and ask, can I help you sir? - yeah, you look around, I'll wait here.

[Decksperiment]

The Jewish religion bullshit, setbacks the humanity for 1700 years. It is time to threw it in the trash where it belongs.

Your request is coming sooner than you think..

[Vod]

god doesnt exist unless u proof otherwise

And the point of this statement is?

Boost his post count.  He left twenty+ one line posts in the span of 10 minutes in the Off Topic section on every topic.   

[BADecker]

If you prove God exists, or if you prove He doesn't exist, You are setting yourself up as god through the proving. So, one way or another God exists, even though there isn't any complete proof one way or another.

[Decksperiment]

If you prove God exists, or if you prove He doesn't exist, You are setting yourself up as god through the proving. So, one way or another God exists, even though there isn't any complete proof one way or another.

So far I have managed to 'prove' that god is most certainly NOT the light, dunno about the 'spirit' of, but I'll settle for the obvious science we know. There was no light before god spoke the sentence. As for where the water, darkness, and deep came from, well, that's three different matter's entirely..

[BADecker]

If you prove God exists, or if you prove He doesn't exist, You are setting yourself up as god through the proving. So, one way or another God exists, even though there isn't any complete proof one way or another.

So far I have managed to 'prove' that god is most certainly NOT the light, dunno about the 'spirit' of, but I'll settle for the obvious science we know. There was no light before god spoke the sentence. As for where the water, darkness, and deep came from, well, that's three different matter's entirely..

Good for you. And I am not speaking sarcastically. But let me start, sorta.

Since you are using deductive reasoning, how many trillions of things in the universe do you have left to prove? Of course, some things will be implied by others... maybe.

When you get done, if you have disproved everything in the universe from being God, will that mean that God doesn't exist?

[Decksperiment]

No, according to your last post here, I will be god lol, and I do like a bit of sarcasm n cheek, or I would'nt dish it out when i do, bash on soldier..

[Decksperiment]

Keep in mind that 'darkness' is just as transparent as the 'water' and hence, does not exist.

Edit: As for the firmament, would'nt that be the 'bit' where other parallel univere's 'join' which MAY explain where that 'spirit' of god came from?

Truth is guy's, I'd go as far as say, WE created the begining, from nothing more than a thought, an eternal thought, that grew in the abyss of our mind. I see us as looking IN life, as opposed to most who see out..

Space is the universal mind.

[BADecker]

No, according to your last post here, I will be god lol, and I do like a bit of sarcasm n cheek, or I would'nt dish it out when i do, bash on soldier..

Well, it wasn't my idea, that you would be god, that is. Consider the at-least two places in the Bible, one where Jesus more or less quotes the other, the Old Testament, when he says, to the effect of, "'You are gods.' So, if he called them gods to whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken, why do you say that I am blaspheming when I call myself the Son of God?"

So, since the Word of God has come to you, at least in part - although it never comes to anyone completely and perfectly - hasn't God, Himself called you a god?

[the joint]

If you prove God exists, or if you prove He doesn't exist, You are setting yourself up as god through the proving. So, one way or another God exists, even though there isn't any complete proof one way or another.

So far I have managed to 'prove' that god is most certainly NOT the light, dunno about the 'spirit' of, but I'll settle for the obvious science we know. There was no light before god spoke the sentence. As for where the water, darkness, and deep came from, well, that's three different matter's entirely..

Good for you. And I am not speaking sarcastically. But let me start, sorta.

Since you are using deductive reasoning, how many trillions of things in the universe do you have left to prove? Of course, some things will be implied by others... maybe.

When you get done, if you have disproved everything in the universe from being God, will that mean that God doesn't exist?

Progress in science relies on inductive reasoning, not deductive reasoning.  Neither method can prove or disprove God.  The only logical way to prove God (that I'm aware of) is through a circularly-supportive argument.  The result of such a proof is one in which any attempt to deny the conclusion only reinforces the conclusion. An example is the argument that soundly establishes the existence of Absolute Truth; any attempt to deny the existence of Absolute Truth reaffirms its existence (i.e. because you would need to assert the Absolute Truth that it doesn't exist, thereby reaffirming its existence).

[Decksperiment]

No, according to your last post here, I will be god lol, and I do like a bit of sarcasm n cheek, or I would'nt dish it out when i do, bash on soldier..

Well, it wasn't my idea, that you would be god, that is. Consider the at-least two places in the Bible, one where Jesus more or less quotes the other, the Old Testament, when he says, to the effect of, "'You are gods.' So, if he called them gods to whom the Word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken, why do you say that I am blaspheming when I call myself the Son of God?"

So, since the Word of God has come to you, at least in part - although it never comes to anyone completely and perfectly - hasn't God, Himself called you a god?

I know that I AM god, as are y'all, but no, he's never told me that..

[BADecker]

Keep in mind that 'darkness' is just as transparent as the 'water' and hence, does not exist.

Edit: As for the firmament, would'nt that be the 'bit' where other parallel univere's 'join' which MAY explain where that 'spirit' of god came from?

Truth is guy's, I'd go as far as say, WE created the begining, from nothing more than a thought, an eternal thought, that grew in the abyss of our mind. I see us as looking IN life, as opposed to most who see out..

Space is the universal mind.

The other parallel universes join through the dimensions, which are essentially "phase" vibrations of different orders. Places where they touch in a more basic sense with relation to our universe, are the places where they create the subatomic particles that are the basis for our electrons, protons and neutrons.

In the sense that Jesus is forever unchanging, and that those who believe in Him are in Him, and that He is in the Father - the essence of "Godness" - you might say that we had a hand in creating the beginning. Yet, in a practical sense, it was the Father Who created through Jesus, even though we might have been allowed to modify a little.

There is some slight evidence in the Bible that between the beginning, and the first day, that somewhere in there, the battle between the archangel Michael and the devil mentioned in the Revelation took place.

Part of the reasoning for this is found in descriptions of the power of the devil in Ezekiel 28. Part is in the word was - "and the earth was formless and void." "Was" can be translated "became." Another thought about this is that God doesn't do anything uselessly. So why would He create something that was a simple chunk of water - plus the chemicals, so that it was more like a thin mud - and the heavens? Also, the idea in the Revelation that the tail of the dragon (devil) swept a third of the stars out of the sky, shows the power of the devil to destroy a third of the laws of the universe. (The word "stars" is considered by Bible scholars to be angels, and when you consider the many descriptions of the angels and other living, heavenly beings, you can see that they are the laws of the universe... living, powerful laws.)

If there had been the electromagnetic frequencies of things like light and magnetism before the first day, the battle between Micheal and the devil was so violent that it wiped out whole sections of "universal science" so that the earth became as it was explained at the time the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.

God hovering over the waters was Him getting right in there to do His work of creation, which might actually have been, in part, re-formation and re-creation.

Putting all this together, we can see that the physics of the universe was extremely different in the past, even in the recent past. Because of this, much (most?) of the timing of things that modern science says is billions of years, etc., is simply what could be described as an upheaval in physics of the past. If things had been a completely smooth operation right back to what scientists call the Big Bang, scientists might be right. Yet, because they are leaving out the descriptions in the Bible, they are missing out on multitudes of things.



EDIT: Part of the reason that people of thousands of years ago - or even hundreds - didn't become as advanced as we, technologically, is that the changing physics of the universe made it very difficult for them determine from one year to the next how to use the sciences. The reason that things have settled down in the last couple thousand years has to do with a slowing of the rate of entropy. You know how a hot piece of iron transfers a lot of its heat to a cold piece of iron, very rapidly, at the beginning of the time when the two come in contact. Then, as the temperature of both approach a happy medium, the exchange rate of heat transfer slows down. This is why the changing physics of the universe isn't changing nearly as rapidly as it did in the past. And, because of it, we are able to examine and use what we have observed though science.

[Vod]

There was no light before god spoke the sentence.

There was light as soon as the first star had accumulated enough mass/gravity to start fusion.

About 200 million years after the Big Bang.   Long before there was any earth to hold humans to invent god. 

[Vod]

EDIT: Part of the reason that people of thousands of years ago - or even hundreds - didn't become as advanced as we, technologically, is that the changing physics of the universe made it very difficult for them determine from one year to the next how to use the sciences.

Did your priest tell you this?  Certainly doesn't say it in the bible, so where are you getting this nonsense?

The physics of the universe does not change.  You are a brainwashed fool.

[HeroCat]

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[BADecker]

EDIT: Part of the reason that people of thousands of years ago - or even hundreds - didn't become as advanced as we, technologically, is that the changing physics of the universe made it very difficult for them determine from one year to the next how to use the sciences.

Did your priest tell you this?  Certainly doesn't say it in the bible, so where are you getting this nonsense?

The physics of the universe does not change.  You are a brainwashed fool.

Actually, science has shown that physics does change with time. Maybe you should read some of those scientific papers you talk about... not that you would admit to anything you didn't like.

[ondratra]

I recommend to read a book on this topic by famous René Descartes "Meditationes de prima philosophia".

He shows some logical steps to show there always has to be something that can be called God - even I preffer the name Eckart Tolle(also great thinker) is calling The stillness - because the word is not spoiled by your imagination of God you made so far.

[Vod]

Actually, science has shown that physics does change with time. Maybe you should read some of those scientific papers you talk about... not that you would admit to anything you didn't like.

No it hasn't.

But feel free to link to your imaginary scientific papers!