Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[Pentax]

From ecointalk:


"All,
 
Anyone interested in joining a legal action case:
 
Please send to bitcz@outlook.com the following details:
 
Order date
Rough figure on how much was spent ( please do not supply order numbers yet..this will be a job for the legals to obtain directly from you )
Contact details ( Email will suffice at this stage )
Brief paragraph outlining steps you have taken to resolve issue with BA directly ( i.e. direct communication, complaint to consumer council, local better business bureau, local state senator etc.. )
Expected resolution that would satisfy you ( i.e. full refund, delivery of goods etc )
 
I just want to gather enough information to show to the legal team what level of commitment they will have to undertake to start this rolling and how many people will be involved. From this they can gauge how large the suit will be against BA and what it will entail.
 
Bticz"

[Pentax]

wire fraud:


18 U.S.C. § 1343 provides:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.[2]


that type of stuff is handled by the FBI, who can be contacted here:

http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/when

[Gleb Gamow]

BA keep pruning this topic, keeping it hovering at the 419 pages mark. Are they trying to tell us something?

"We are not aware of any scam ASIC manufacturers 419 so we cannot comment on this."

[Gleb Gamow]

BA keep pruning this topic, keeping it hovering at the 419 pages mark. Are they trying to tell us something?

 

from the quality of their products I would assume they are 420 friendly.

"Dude, I don't want your Black Arrow strand! The shit burns when it ain't suppose to."

[Pentax]

wire fraud:


18 U.S.C. § 1343 provides:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.[2]


that type of stuff is handled by the FBI, who can be contacted here:

http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/when[/quote]

[Pentax]

From ecointalk:


"All,
 
Anyone interested in joining a legal action case:
 
Please send to bitcz@outlook.com the following details:
 
Order date
Rough figure on how much was spent ( please do not supply order numbers yet..this will be a job for the legals to obtain directly from you )
Contact details ( Email will suffice at this stage )
Brief paragraph outlining steps you have taken to resolve issue with BA directly ( i.e. direct communication, complaint to consumer council, local better business bureau, local state senator etc.. )
Expected resolution that would satisfy you ( i.e. full refund, delivery of goods etc )
 
I just want to gather enough information to show to the legal team what level of commitment they will have to undertake to start this rolling and how many people will be involved. From this they can gauge how large the suit will be against BA and what it will entail.
 
Bticz"

[Pentax]

one of my good buddy BlackArrow's favorites, I'm sure.  He keeps deleting it, so I'm pretty sure he enjoys seeing it reposted, so I'll keep doing that just to be a bud.

Good luck finding someone to scam out of hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund your next gen asics.  the only reason you don't have the money to develop your next gen asic is because you guys fucked up this generation so badly that your ass is in the toilet.

You don't have the 'proven track record' you are trying to sell to people, which seems to be exactly what you are trying to sell people.

You do have a track record.  And it sucks.  your miners are late and obsolete, they are not competitive in the marketplace and your engineering team has designed miners that start on fire.

more important to investors, everyone that has invested their money with you as a pre-order customer has lost their ass.  

But wait, there's more!

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/14nm-bitcoin-asic-announcement.html

So ... do we get some free units of these for our trouble??  We paid "helped" to pay for this development after all.....

Haha what a fuckin' joke!

"Black Arrow Ltd has already a proven track record in successfully manufacture Bitcoin mining hardware at extremely competitive prices using shorter full lifecycle than their competition without compromising the top quality required the highly-competitive niche market."

Are these dicks on the same planet as us? Successfully manufacture? Extremely competitive prices? Just piss off and go bankrupt already you criminals
[/quote]


proven track record?   of what, exactly?  their miners are now 6 months late because they had one issue after the next, they're no longer price competitive at time of delivery, don't have a snowball's chance in hell of ROI'ing, and they're starting on fire.


what they have proven is that they will tell people anything to get their money and then break those promises when it suits them.

remember this one?

If you are guaranteeing prices then what's the point of preorders?  Basically the people preordering now are giving you a free loan because come february everyone gets the same price anyways.  The only benefit of preordering now is if the buyer thinks that you won't have to lower prices and the current price will end up being less then market prices for similar devices at the time of shipping.

Customers who pre-order and pay now have 25% discount. Our promise is that we will ensure that customers who preorder now will always get a better deal than customers who order later.

At the same time we promise that our prices will be below market price at the time we ship.

This means that customers that preorder now will have considerable lower market prices by the time that we ship which puts them in advantage towards anybody else.

Unless Bitcoin mining stops because it becomes unprofitable for everybody else in February, our customers WILL make profit.

or this?

After a whole year of this ASIC preordering phenomenon/fiasco somehow it's starting to feel like the companies will promise you anything and everything just to get your money.  Even if it makes no sense.  What's the point of them getting capital now if they guarantee to drop the prices to whatever the market price will be in the future and have to return most of that capital?  I don't mind gambling but when the gamble is just some vague guarantee promise that isn't rooted in reality that's just one more hurdle to overcome besides the fact of sending non refundable to btc to some outfit in china and hoping for the best on a proposition that's many months away.

Everybody until now sold you hardware that they knew that you're going to loose money because 1 month later they announced something faster at a better price.
We are guaranteeing that this won't happen with us: If we drop the price you'll get even faster hardware, keeping you in front of everybody else.

or this?

I'd like to make sure I understand what you are guaranteeing.  You are saying that if I preorder now I am guaranteed a price 25% below market price.  How will market price be defined?  

Yes, you are guaranteed to get a price 25% below the market price ($/ghash) at the time of shipment.
And yes, we will keep our prices below every other company.

Bottom line is, whoever trusts us now, we promise that will help them to mine profitably after February as well. If you keep supporting other companies who have ripped you off until now, you'll barely get your ROI back.

[/quote]
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[Pentax]

From the AMT thread:

Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.

Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.

This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.

of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.

Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.

first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

[Pentax]

From the AMT thread:

Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.

Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.

This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.

of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.

Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.

first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

[Pentax]

wire fraud:


18 U.S.C. § 1343 provides:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.[2]


that type of stuff is handled by the FBI, who can be contacted here:

http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/when

[Pentax]

Quote
From the AMT thread:


Quote from: marto74 on September 06, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.


Quote from: opieum2 on September 06, 2014, 06:00:36 AM
Quote from: Bicknellski on September 06, 2014, 05:49:20 AM
Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.


Quote from: blackarrow on September 06, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.




of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.



Quote from: blackarrow on May 21, 2014, 07:41:41 PM
Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.


first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

[Pentax]

From the AMT thread:

Hahaha Bick you can not resist to try anything, a ?
Both of you with opie here.
Good luck
Again it is simple Amt aka Josh ordered miners back in November, paid and got them.
This year he purchased a licence for our A1 board.
That is all.
end of story.

Isn't Marto74 helping out AMT and Josh anymore?

Funny how that never gets mentioned in passing.

Josh is Toxic, even if he is he would hardly admit to it publicly. But Josh has insider knowledge of technobits inner workings apparently. Martin is Marto74 evidently. Don't shoot the messenger Josh volunteered this info in a chat.

Some commentary on what Josh thinks of other vendors and his leaky anus mouth spouting off business secrets of the competition?:
Also basically claims martos miners do not last for more than 6 months to do shoddy quality is what I understood by that. Make of it what you will however.
Technobit:

[5/31/2014 12:30:10 AM] Joshua: but.. yea, it works. But the think is technobit/martin is a dick and locks him firmware/software on his boards and his connectivity devices. And because he got into an argument with ckolvakis (cgminer author) he wont inlcude technobit drivers in cgminer
[5/31/2014 12:47:18 AM] Joshua: but martin listens to me a bit, like the whole "make it the size of the HDD hardrive and make sure all the connectors are faces on side" is a major improvement

Over the technobit AMT kerfufle a couple months back:
[6/12/2014 11:57:49 AM] Joshua: Yea martin's not pissed, he said he figure it out pretty quick. All is wel
[6/12/2014 11:58:17 AM] Joshua: its kinda hard to break up two guys who's wive's are friends. Its what they are trying to do it seems

More commentary on business practices:

[8/12/2014 1:47:38 PM] Joshua: it works for A1/A2, BE200 and hopefilly minion if martin gets his shit together

[8/13/2014 1:10:05 PM] Joshua: ok but the lifetime of BTC miners is 6 months
[8/13/2014 1:10:28 PM] Joshua: like Martin skips corners and does shit like that and the lifetime if never touched is like 6 months to a year maybe

Black Arrow and mentions Technobit again

[8/13/2014 12:31:02 PM] Joshua: yea
[8/13/2014 12:31:10 PM] Joshua: but they are good
[8/13/2014 12:31:39 PM] Joshua: also BA is getting pretty desperate
[8/13/2014 12:32:02 PM] Joshua: they have soo many chips and no boards to put them on because they are low on money like us and their board is too expensive to produce
[8/13/2014 12:32:13 PM] Joshua: they just came out with a decent 2 chip board which seemd ok
[8/13/2014 12:32:28 PM] Cust2: mini miner
[8/13/2014 12:32:40 PM] Joshua: like.. slots
[8/13/2014 12:32:49 PM] Joshua: several 2 chilp board slots..
[8/13/2014 12:32:59 PM] Joshua: for X1 devices
[8/13/2014 12:33:18 PM] Joshua: its a nice chip really, just as always chip makers should not be board makers
[8/13/2014 12:33:19 PM] Cust2: Grown up USB key style miners
[8/13/2014 12:33:30 PM] Joshua: and they are just going to copy Asicminers design
[8/13/2014 12:33:57 PM] Joshua: right
[8/13/2014 12:34:14 PM] Joshua: but anyway thats good for me
[8/13/2014 12:34:18 PM] Joshua: because it will look like we did it lol
[8/13/2014 12:34:36 PM] Joshua: and then it'll be like.. AMT, works with A1/A2 BE200 and Minion
[8/13/2014 12:34:54 PM] Me: Who is BA?
[8/13/2014 12:34:55 PM] Joshua: Chip integration specialists!
[8/13/2014 12:34:59 PM] Joshua: Black arrow
[8/13/2014 12:35:01 PM] Joshua: minion
[8/13/2014 12:35:02 PM] Me: ah
[8/13/2014 12:35:18 PM] Joshua: they are romanians based here in shenzhen
[8/13/2014 12:35:32 PM] Joshua: but not the most ehtical
[8/13/2014 12:35:46 PM] Joshua: built a shit load of prospero 3's and are mining with the hardware
[8/13/2014 12:36:00 PM] Joshua: and gave chips to clients as compensation
[8/13/2014 12:36:08 PM] Joshua: who in turn, ofcourse has no where to other than technobit
[8/13/2014 12:36:17 PM] Cust2: yep
[8/13/2014 12:36:22 PM] Joshua: who now spent 200K on compoennts and may go broke on this
[8/13/2014 12:36:25 PM] Joshua: lol
[8/13/2014 12:36:40 PM] Joshua: but martin will be left with several minion boards to sell off
[8/13/2014 12:37:01 PM] Joshua: which will devaluate minion because he sales at the bare minimum and always tries to undercut the market
[8/13/2014 12:37:14 PM] Joshua: and todays chip price for A1, $16
[8/13/2014 12:37:23 PM] Cust2: good lord.
[8/13/2014 12:37:32 PM] Joshua: well its the best price
[8/13/2014 12:37:40 PM] Joshua: even the swiss cant sell  under $20
[8/13/2014 12:37:54 PM] Joshua: but i can sell at $16, quietly

EDIT: Added Some personal chats I had with Josh's thoughts on Technobit's CEO.

This is interesting.

Let me get this clear: We are not mining. It would be impossible to mine as we only have 5kw of power in our office.

You can ask Joshua where is our mining facility and we will be happy to this this address to check.

of course they deny it, but let's look at what BlackArrow has already said on that facility.

Our facility is ready, will start Rent-A-Minion as soon as we solve the issue with the backplane.

first the data center was ready and now it doesn't even exist?  which is it? 

[Pentax]

From ecointalk:


"All,
 
Anyone interested in joining a legal action case:
 
Please send to bitcz@outlook.com the following details:
 
Order date
Rough figure on how much was spent ( please do not supply order numbers yet..this will be a job for the legals to obtain directly from you )
Contact details ( Email will suffice at this stage )
Brief paragraph outlining steps you have taken to resolve issue with BA directly ( i.e. direct communication, complaint to consumer council, local better business bureau, local state senator etc.. )
Expected resolution that would satisfy you ( i.e. full refund, delivery of goods etc )
 
I just want to gather enough information to show to the legal team what level of commitment they will have to undertake to start this rolling and how many people will be involved. From this they can gauge how large the suit will be against BA and what it will entail.
 
Bticz

[Pentax]

Time for beddy-bye little BlackArrow.

While you're sleeping you can rest assured that I will be reposting directions for people to join the lawsuit forming, as well as how to file with the Hong Kong consumer council, contact the FBI for possible wire fraud violations and just a couple of other tidbits that I know you love to see.

all of it 100% true, and most of it direct from your mouth.   promises, promises.  so many made made and so few kept.  guess what?  you can't do that.  it is against the law.

[Pentax]

you've deleted them all now in an attempt to flood my mailbox.

no problem.  I'll only repost the good ones from now on so that when you delete them they'll be easy to find.

maybe you should go build some miners now.  who knows, maybe someone wants to burn their house down.  Heaven knows you've got just the product for them.

[Pentax]

you've deleted them all now in an attempt to flood my mailbox.  cut some serious bulk from your thread.  if you cut every post that was critical of your business you'd have only your lies left.  that would be kind of sad. 

Do not despair!  I will continue to keep you company.  I'm sure just hearing that makes you feel like ten thousand percent better already, doesn't it?




Anyhow, no problem on those deletions.  I'll only repost the good ones from now on so that when you delete them they'll be easy to find.

you know, the ones on consumer agencies, lawsuits, wire fraud violations and any of your long and accomplished string of lies to your customers.

maybe you should go build some miners now.  who knows, maybe someone wants to burn their house down.  Heaven knows you've got just the product for them.

[Pentax]

we've lost 20 pages from this thread.

someone is trying to erase history.

Too late for that, people have printed this thing out to pdf.

so, just in case you need some of that, just let me know.

[Pentax]

25 pages gone now.

what's up blackarrow are you concerned that someone might find out you've defrauded customers and are sending miners that are starting on fire?

[Gleb Gamow]

25 pages gone now.

what's up blackarrow are you concerned that someone might find out you've defrauded customers and are sending miners that are starting on fire?

I already have two threads penned due to their recent shenanigans:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=772858.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=773259.0

[Pentax]

30 pages gone. 

doing some serious truth-concealment today eh?