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October 29, 2014, 07:40:48 AM
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I am keeping my signature because pool advertising is baned.
How the hell would I advertise my business without signature ?
You tell the coin devs to list your pool in their OP.

I try to list my pool when I can but most miners don't have time to read, they look for the last messages in the thread and chose the pool most people talk about.
Many people chose my pool because they know me or and they like what I say.
As a customer, if you have the choice, you should aim for a business you can trust.

Or you pay for advertising.

I thought about it but I don't want to associate my business with spamming.
I am like everyone, I am annoyed by spammers and scammy links but still... I need a way to advertise.

By the way have you measured how many people click on your signature vs. other places? it would be interesting to know

This is a great idea but I don't want to put too much trackers on my links. I care about privacy.
I know that most of my customers are Chinese and Russian but they talk very little and don't often ask for help contrary to French or people from Arabs countries.


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October 29, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
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You can choose to disable signature but of course you might not see important information. I think most of the signature (campaigns) require strict constructive post rule, those spammers are reduced this way.

I have seen people apparently faking constructive posts by copy&pasting earlier thread comments (with minor edits).

The ignore button works well, but requires you to be logged in. It is also tricky when an actually constructive poster decides to participate in a signature campaign. Most the time, I just hope anything important gets quoted by another poster. I probably have 3-5 people I don't have on ignore despite their signature campaign participation.

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October 29, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
This

Might be hard to tell who's paid and who's not.  I see some .com in your siggy, napalm; what's the diff between your advert and another?  Maybe you're paid to advertize, maybe you're the owner, how can we tell?  Why should that make a difference?

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October 30, 2014, 04:15:06 PM
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You can choose to disable signature but of course you might not see important information. I think most of the signature (campaigns) require strict constructive post rule, those spammers are reduced this way.
I have seen people apparently faking constructive posts by copy&pasting earlier thread comments (with minor edits).
The ignore button works well, but requires you to be logged in. It is also tricky when an actually constructive poster decides to participate in a signature campaign. Most the time, I just hope anything important gets quoted by another poster. I probably have 3-5 people I don't have on ignore despite their signature campaign participation.

Are you ignoring all the people with a paid signature ?
That must be a hell lot of people.

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October 30, 2014, 04:16:55 PM
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Are you ignoring all the people with a paid signature ?
That must be a hell lot of people.
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October 31, 2014, 09:17:19 AM
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I would prefer signatures to remain. The 0.05-0.1 BTC I make a month is quite a nice amount for me.

I see the other side too, and I understand the problems. I ran a campaign for sometime and was rejecting almost all applicants as a quick glance through their posting history showed they were alternate accounts and only here to participate in signature campaigns.

For instance, a couple of days back this account made over 50 posts, collected his gawminer signature campaign payout and left. That account will get activated once or twice again in the next month. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=168724

The solution would be to make campaign managers liable if their participants are spamming just to get to the required posts. The above example would have been easily caught if the manager was even a little bit proactive. The minimum posting threshold may also be lowered. My current one asks for 40 posts a month (I do a lot more than that).

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October 31, 2014, 03:30:38 PM
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For instance, a couple of days back this account made over 50 posts, collected his gawminer signature campaign payout and left. That account will get activated once or twice again in the next month. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=168724

The solution would be to make campaign managers liable if their participants are spamming just to get to the required posts. The above example would have been easily caught if the manager was even a little bit proactive. The minimum posting threshold may also be lowered. My current one asks for 40 posts a month (I do a lot more than that).

This forum allows users to have multiple accounts, so why shouldn't the campaign? The forum member played it by the rules, he wrote 50 posts before the deadline, and they were on topic, so there's no reason to remove him.
 
If you think a campaign member is spamming or flaming, you have a lot of options available:
-contact me, and I'll review his account
-give him negative trust
-report his posts and ask a moderator to ban him

P.S. The reason you now have campaigns with 40 post limit is because they want to look attractive for people who are already in the 50 p. campaigns, not because they want to fight spam or anything like that Wink

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November 12, 2014, 08:56:28 PM
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Is there ever actually going to be new forum software?  This is something I've been hearing about for over 2 years but as far as I know there's still no timeline for implementation.

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November 12, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
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It's been penciled in roughly for early next year for quite some time, though there's no exact date.

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November 14, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
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For instance, a couple of days back this account made over 50 posts, collected his gawminer signature campaign payout and left. That account will get activated once or twice again in the next month. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=168724

The solution would be to make campaign managers liable if their participants are spamming just to get to the required posts. The above example would have been easily caught if the manager was even a little bit proactive. The minimum posting threshold may also be lowered. My current one asks for 40 posts a month (I do a lot more than that).

This forum allows users to have multiple accounts, so why shouldn't the campaign? The forum member played it by the rules, he wrote 50 posts before the deadline, and they were on topic, so there's no reason to remove him.
 
If you think a campaign member is spamming or flaming, you have a lot of options available:
-contact me, and I'll review his account
-give him negative trust
-report his posts and ask a moderator to ban him

P.S. The reason you now have campaigns with 40 post limit is because they want to look attractive for people who are already in the 50 p. campaigns, not because they want to fight spam or anything like that Wink

Posts should be if they need to say something. If your participants are posting 50+ posts one day per month then clearly they are doing just to collect the pay and not because they needed to say something. Another example is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162745

There are also sign ups with bought accounts. The forum policy allows account trading only because its not possible to stop, and the market exists mainly due to signature campaigns. Look at this participant https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59502

This one's ownership is still dubious https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=840008.0

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December 18, 2014, 05:27:41 PM
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I will admit , I used to have a sig for dice website. I felt bad for promoting a gambling website and decided to promote a charity instead.

Buy games people, we all love em and people benefit from it....cough cough my sig cough.

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December 18, 2014, 09:55:16 PM
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I have a sig, it earns me a fairly stable income which I am then converting into an even more stable income which means I won't even have to rely on sig ads at one point. However, I always try my best not to spam and don't bump if I can help it and definitely don't necro post I do agree though that I've had to check the date a lot lately of any topics and sure enough I often find a topic that I posted in sometimes a year ago that's been deliberately necro'd for a post count.

Just report these twats and in fact, report any senior members that go along with it and try to sneakily reply to the topic as if nothing happened and yes, I HAVE noticed, so don't think your safe because you're a long term member.

Signature campaign managers should also take steps to make sure to be more vigilant and check the post history of any members that sign up to their campaign to make sure they aren't just spamming for post count, if you cut off their incentive to spam the majority of them will stop.

I've noticed now too the necro spammers more recently have been targeting threads within the past couple of months so keep a watch for that sort of thing as well.
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December 18, 2014, 10:04:57 PM
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I have a sig, it earns me a fairly stable income which I am then converting into an even more stable income which means I won't even have to rely on sig ads at one point. However, I always try my best not to spam and don't bump if I can help it and definitely don't necro post I do agree though that I've had to check the date a lot lately of any topics and sure enough I often find a topic that I posted in sometimes a year ago that's been deliberately necro'd for a post count.

Just report these twats and in fact, report any senior members that go along with it and try to sneakily reply to the topic as if nothing happened and yes, I HAVE noticed, so don't think your safe because you're a long term member.

Signature campaign managers should also take steps to make sure to be more vigilant and check the post history of any members that sign up to their campaign to make sure they aren't just spamming for post count, if you cut off their incentive to spam the majority of them will stop.

I've noticed now too the necro spammers more recently have been targeting threads within the past couple of months so keep a watch for that sort of thing as well.

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December 19, 2014, 02:50:50 AM
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While I do participate in these campaigns since I post a lot...I would not mind them being ended either. I am always buying and selling things so why not get paid while I post anyways? I do hate when I see people posting just to be paid (always very obvious).  Seems Prime Dice is about to start a large campaign again...will be interesting if they can keep the spam under control having forum staff running it. Since PD has stopped their campaign I have noticed quite a reduction in spam since most of the current ones pay for a set amount.

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December 19, 2014, 05:58:47 AM
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Since PD has stopped their campaign I have noticed quite a reduction in spam since most of the current ones pay for a set amount.

It has increased now with the payments based on posts campaigns.

The activity and signature limit worked well to curb this for a few months. Its time Theymos did another scaling or adding new restrictions. Personally, I would prefer activity based on powers of 2, like in bit/byte/kB etc. Its a Bitcoin forum, so makes sense to count in bits.






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January 08, 2015, 05:06:14 AM
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What about the free market then? The ways to advertise are really limited in the bitcoin world, so people are using signatures to promote.
"Gambling is bad so don't allow gambling signatures" and I say: don't like it - don't click it! You can always hide signatures in your settings.

Signatures work like faucets and allow people to get some coins. Ask some newbies if they would like the signatures to be removed. Don't be selfish, not all of you are old members who could mine BTC on PC's.

maybe be best if the users were able to pickup on a larger choice of advertisements,  but I think is that is doesn't specific to the question right now.

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The best thing that can be done is to encourage signature campaigns to raise their standards for posting requirements in order to qualify to receive payment at the end of each payment cycle. People exhibiting mindless posting consistently should be barred from the signature campaign. The difficult part is getting the signature campaigns to accept partial liability for the constant spam around the forum. I don't think it will ever be changed because for one it increases the sites traffic and activity, and secondly the majority of signature campaigns will never agree to raise their posting standards because it would limit the amount of exposure for their business/advertisements.
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January 08, 2015, 07:16:30 AM
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Since PD has stopped their campaign I have noticed quite a reduction in spam since most of the current ones pay for a set amount.

It has increased now with the payments based on posts campaigns.

The activity and signature limit worked well to curb this for a few months. Its time Theymos did another scaling or adding new restrictions. Personally, I would prefer activity based on powers of 2, like in bit/byte/kB etc. Its a Bitcoin forum, so makes sense to count in bits.

Power's of 2 rankings would be cute.  But fwiw, most people count bitcoins in decimal.

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January 09, 2015, 11:19:43 PM
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Removing signatures wouldn't necessarily stop paid advertising campaigns anyway.  The irony is, much like Bitcoin itself, there's nothing you can actually do to ban it outright.  If you disable signatures, which have set limits on the BB code that can be used, people would just start pasting the relevant advertising code directly into their posts, where there's no restriction on the BB code that can be used.  You'd have brand new accounts posting in giant 72px fonts in a various array of colours.  How about some flashing animated gifs for good measure?  Any semblance of legibility in threads would be decimated.  Be careful what you wish for, regulation and banning doesn't work anymore, this is Bitcoin we're talking about.   Grin

Secondary point, have you looked at comments on a youtube video lately?  People don't have to be paid to post stupid shit on the internet.  They spew it freely and in large quantities.

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January 10, 2015, 02:13:22 AM
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Removing signatures wouldn't necessarily stop paid advertising campaigns anyway.  The irony is, much like Bitcoin itself, there's nothing you can actually do to ban it outright.  If you disable signatures, which have set limits on the BB code that can be used, people would just start pasting the relevant advertising code directly into their posts, where there's no restriction on the BB code that can be used.  You'd have brand new accounts posting in giant 72px fonts in a various array of colours.  How about some flashing animated gifs for good measure?  Any semblance of legibility in threads would be decimated.  Be careful what you wish for, regulation and banning doesn't work anymore, this is Bitcoin we're talking about.   Grin

Secondary point, have you looked at comments on a youtube video lately?  People don't have to be paid to post stupid shit on the internet.  They spew it freely and in large quantities.

Advertising in posts is banned. If the worry is about spam signups, that is easily avoided by Newbie jail.






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