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February 16, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
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Op, if you think that removing signatures will remove all idiots, dumb people, newbies trolls and other individuals who are not really on point with their posts from this forum - you are deeply mistaken.

I don't see anyone insinuating such. One would expect removing the financial incentive of posting drivel to cut down on amount of poor posts.

There will always be trolls with an agenda or too much time. There will always be newbies that ask common questions. When people are no longer being paid to post than there will be a large proportion of copypasta and shot mindless drivel removed because no such incentive exists.

Because it is likely that the future forum will include sigs as the forum operators are incentivised by a high traffic site all these shill accounts create regardless of the quality of posts. Thus we may need to create our own solution. Some people are already taking matters into their own hands and creating self moderated threads to combat this problem --

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=957789.0

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March 12, 2015, 05:51:35 AM
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It's not the signatures that irk him but the lower quality of content posts he believes a paid signature causes.

Yes, it is becoming very annoying. It is also pretty obvious.

Take https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985198.20

20 out of the first 25 posts in this thread have an ad in their signature....

That specific topic has been beaten to death. A thousand times. But it's still making them money.


I was about to raise the "Disallow ads in signatures" thread, but honestly... Just make it disappear.


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March 12, 2015, 06:40:23 AM
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It's not the signatures that irk him but the lower quality of content posts he believes a paid signature causes.

Yes, it is becoming very annoying. It is also pretty obvious.

Take https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985198.20

20 out of the first 25 posts in this thread have an ad in their signature....

That specific topic has been beaten to death. A thousand times. But it's still making them money.


I was about to raise the "Disallow ads in signatures" thread, but honestly... Just make it disappear.
That one is nothing. I remember seeing multiple threads over the summer of last year where there were literally pages of posts  that were all something along the lines of 'this is great news' (I stopped reading after 3-4 pages of this) in a threads saying that some new merchant is now accepting bitcoin.

Sadly, the way things are going I do see signatures either getting removed, or they will be changed in a way so that paid signature advertising is much less effective.

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March 12, 2015, 06:44:09 AM
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I like my signature.

I'd pay Thermos to remove other users' ability to ignore me and/or disable my sig.

 Cheesy


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March 12, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
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It's not the signatures that irk him but the lower quality of content posts he believes a paid signature causes.

Yes, it is becoming very annoying. It is also pretty obvious.

Take https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985198.20

20 out of the first 25 posts in this thread have an ad in their signature....

That specific topic has been beaten to death. A thousand times. But it's still making them money.


I was about to raise the "Disallow ads in signatures" thread, but honestly... Just make it disappear.

Hey, totally agree that there's crap posts out there motivated by sig campaign. The example you shared doesn't appear to be bad or spammy conversation. And we have to realize that as new people join the forum, learn about BTC, etc, they're going ot have the same questions that more senior folks like you and others have discussed before.

We should focus on post content improvement. Da Dice has a great approach by coming down hard on spam, not being afraid to deny payment.

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March 13, 2015, 01:26:13 AM
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It's not the signatures that irk him but the lower quality of content posts he believes a paid signature causes.

Yes, it is becoming very annoying. It is also pretty obvious.

Take https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985198.20

20 out of the first 25 posts in this thread have an ad in their signature....

That specific topic has been beaten to death. A thousand times. But it's still making them money.


I was about to raise the "Disallow ads in signatures" thread, but honestly... Just make it disappear.

Hey, totally agree that there's crap posts out there motivated by sig campaign. The example you shared doesn't appear to be bad or spammy conversation. And we have to realize that as new people join the forum, learn about BTC, etc, they're going ot have the same questions that more senior folks like you and others have discussed before.

We should focus on post content improvement. Da Dice has a great approach by coming down hard on spam, not being afraid to deny payment.

First of all, I take your opinion to be heavily biased based on the fact that you have an ad in your signature. The problem is exactly that even though the conversation I linked to is not obviously spam it has almost zero value and appears to be there only so people can make a few more posts and earn a few more cents.

I do realise new people join the forum. They will have low level accounts that are not practical for signature campaigns. I don't see those spamming nearly as much as Sr. Member accounts. And there is no defending  rehashing the same discussion each time someone asks a question that's been asked a 1000 times before. In such cases the proper answer is to link to an earlier discussion thread and possibly link to an site that explains how to use search on the internet.

Admit it, this forum is bloated with meaningless posts. And signature campaigns are most likely the cause.

Now, please don't take this personal, but looking at your post history:

You made this post at 09:05:45 PM
As the subject says it all for those who can understand, it poses me the question how not to join in? Other option is to play it J.G. in a cave somewhere...


What does "play it J.G." mean?

The more you understand how and where surveillance is done, the better you can protect yourself. Another option is to stay off the internet.

You made this post at 09:07:39 PM
Chef, this article should prove to you that just because Obama says it doesn't make it happen. No need to fear Obama's rhetoric!

That is just under 2 minutes. The second thread links to an article. So you read the OP, you read the article, you read the previous replies and you made your own reply in under 2 minutes. I'll leave it to each to judge the value of that reply.

Fact is that you're not even close to some of the worst abusers. Making a post every 2 minutes for, churning out 50+ posts per hour doesn't even seem to be an exception anymore. I call it bullshit.


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March 22, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
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Yes,

Paid per post signatures create an incentive to post more.  That is why I am posting here. Smiley
I could end my post right here and get the same.  Or I could go on and add some interesting ideas.  Bitcoin works as it does because of its incentives and lack of incentives and partly a kind of altruistic charity for our currency.  This forum is the way it is because of the same combination of these three elements.  They may be in a differing proportion though.

Okay, here it goes.  Because Darkcoin has an incentive for people to run full nodes, it has half the number of nodes as Bitcoin does and that is with its much smaller market cap and presumably a much smaller set of users.  There is no benefit for someone who isn't running a pool to run a fullnode in Bitcoin.  It is all about incentives.  By the way, this is a post about signatures.  The incentive to create quality posts, apart from the altruistic charity, stems from the unlikely event that someone might tip your post.  I had left my bitcoin address in my signature and I never got a Satoshi for my posts.  Now, I am putting the advert. signature and I get twenty cents for each of my two cents.

So, we need a voting system.  So, that users can vote how much quality an article has.  Then require those with advertising signatures campaigns to price according to the quality vote score. 

Other people, who follow their reward system better than I do, would have posted two lines without reading the thread probably repeating something already said.

That's my two cents.

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March 22, 2015, 12:34:09 PM
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Yes,

Paid per post signatures create an incentive to post more.  That is why I am posting here. Smiley

And is also the reason I just neg-rep'd you & reported your post as spam..... Roll Eyes
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Yes,

Paid per post signatures create an incentive to post more.  That is why I am posting here. Smiley

And is also the reason I just neg-rep'd you & reported your post as spam..... Roll Eyes

I think you read what he was trying to say wrong..the dude joined in 2012 and has 216 posts....obviously not a spammer. He is offering up an idea about posting quality.

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March 22, 2015, 01:13:39 PM
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Yes,

Paid per post signatures create an incentive to post more.  That is why I am posting here. Smiley

And is also the reason I just neg-rep'd you & reported your post as spam..... Roll Eyes

I think you read what he was trying to say wrong..the dude joined in 2012 and has 216 posts....obviously not a spammer. He is offering up an idea about posting quality.

Actually, I have to agree with lobogil, as member sdp just posted a meaningless post on my thread also:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg10849355#msg10849355

If he has been such a long term member - he should have learned how to post properly by now.

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March 22, 2015, 01:23:47 PM
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Yes,

Paid per post signatures create an incentive to post more.  That is why I am posting here. Smiley

And is also the reason I just neg-rep'd you & reported your post as spam..... Roll Eyes

I think you read what he was trying to say wrong..the dude joined in 2012 and has 216 posts....obviously not a spammer. He is offering up an idea about posting quality.

Actually, I have to agree with lobogil, as member sdp just posted a meaningless post on my thread also:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg10849355#msg10849355

If he has been such a long term member - he should have learned how to post properly by now.

I guess that is why posts are open to interpretation then. I read it in a different way, but did not read any of his other posts.

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March 22, 2015, 01:43:13 PM
 #192

That was one post.  See, we need to create an incentive system to promote post quality.

I would like to see forums in general have digests of threads.  Maybe instead of reading many posts of which many have been repeats of previous posts and often previous threads.

sdp

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March 22, 2015, 01:56:06 PM
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That was one post.  See, we need to create an incentive system to promote post quality.

I would like to see forums in general have digests of threads.  Maybe instead of reading many posts of which many have been repeats of previous posts and often previous threads.

sdp

Maybe, but posting meaningless gibberish on any thread you choose is not the answer. Please stop doing it.

If you remove your post from my thread, I will remove the neg-rep. Thank you.

Have you been a victim of dogie insults, neg-rep'd for no reason or been falsely accused by him? If so, air your experiences here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.0
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March 22, 2015, 02:00:42 PM
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That was one post.  See, we need to create an incentive system to promote post quality.

I would like to see forums in general have digests of threads.  Maybe instead of reading many posts of which many have been repeats of previous posts and often previous threads.

sdp

Maybe, but posting meaningless gibberish on any thread you choose is not the answer. Please stop doing it.

If you remove your post from my thread, I will remove the neg-rep. Thank you.

A negative trust for write a persona opinion?
Are you serious? Signature ad doesn't mean "insubstantial post" we are here in a forum and everyone can post whatever he wants (on topic and constructive).
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March 22, 2015, 02:04:51 PM
 #195

That was one post.  See, we need to create an incentive system to promote post quality.

I would like to see forums in general have digests of threads.  Maybe instead of reading many posts of which many have been repeats of previous posts and often previous threads.

sdp

Maybe, but posting meaningless gibberish on any thread you choose is not the answer. Please stop doing it.

If you remove your post from my thread, I will remove the neg-rep. Thank you.

A negative trust for write a persona opinion?
Are you serious? Signature ad doesn't mean "insubstantial post" we are here in a forum and everyone can post whatever he wants (on topic and constructive).

When a user joins and wears a signature campaign short one liners are looked upon as spam since it requires no effort to do just write +1 or i agree in a post. It is possible for you to walk around this by removing your signature ad Cheesy

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A negative trust for write a persona opinion?
Are you serious? Signature ad doesn't mean "insubstantial post" we are here in a forum and everyone can post whatever he wants (on topic and constructive).

I am referring to this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg10849355#msg10849355

Hardly a persona opinion.

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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?

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March 22, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?

How can you say an user wasn't paid to wear a signature? I'm not sure your proposal can be enforced...really.

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March 22, 2015, 03:29:37 PM
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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?

How can you say an user wasn't paid to wear a signature? I'm not sure your proposal can be enforced...really.

Signature campaigns shouldn't be allowed on the forum is what he's saying. So no public proposals for renting signatures should be allowed.
You should be able to tell if there is more than 5 users wearing the same signature.

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March 22, 2015, 03:36:54 PM
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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?

How can you say an user wasn't paid to wear a signature? I'm not sure your proposal can be enforced...really.

Signature campaigns shouldn't be allowed on the forum is what he's saying. So no public proposals for renting signatures should be allowed.
You should be able to tell if there is more than 5 users wearing the same signature.

 Huh

So IF some users are wearing the same signature of a e.g. dice site but with distinct referrals...would this considered paid or not?
I am just asking since in the past i did so outside of a sig ad campaign...and i don't like being forbidden to do so "outside" of sig ad campaign.
I don't see, however, how this could be separated from a normal sig-ad campaign...without to investigate BTC-addresses..
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