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March 23, 2015, 05:47:22 PM
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If signature is removed, i bet some users will leave this forum forever  (...)
No worries this forum is democratic and the majority want the signatures to stay. There's more positive aspects of having a signature than negative ones. A lot of forum members who are paid for their posts don't abuse it and make around a 100 constructive posts a month. Why should they be punished because a few others decided to spam? There's no collective responsibility here and the rules apply to all, not only sig campaign members. You spam - you get banned and eventually lose the account you put a lot of time into and since the account not only makes money but is also worth some money it makes it a great anti-spam rule.

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March 23, 2015, 06:54:03 PM
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If signature is removed, i bet some users will leave this forum forever  (...)
No worries this forum is democratic and the majority want the signatures to stay.
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It's actually not democratic at all.  It's a private forum run by a private individual who hires a staff to help out.  While this private individual certainly solicits feedback from and works with the community who uses the forum, this is in no way a democracy.  I think the actual form of government here is something like a benevolent dictatorship.  Smiley

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March 24, 2015, 07:03:05 AM
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March 24, 2015, 01:36:27 PM
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Ban advertising signatures and I would still use this forum.  It is not like you can feed your family with ad tips.  Posting should probably be an altruistic act in the first place because most people couldn't pay what it would cost if everyone charged a reasonable amount of money for the time they put into this forum.  Some have profit motives in ads they put, or services they offer, or the like, but for myself it is to teach and learn and maybe have some fun.

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March 24, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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Ban advertising signatures and I would still use this forum.  It is not like you can feed your family with ad tips.  Posting should probably be an altruistic act in the first place because most people couldn't pay what it would cost if everyone charged a reasonable amount of money for the time they put into this forum.  Some have profit motives in ads they put, or services they offer, or the like, but for myself it is to teach and learn and maybe have some fun.

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Of course almost everyone on here with an interest in bitcoin will stick around no matter if they did remove signatures.  TBH, the kind of poster who said above about leaving if they remove signatures is exactly the kind of person that's causing people to consider banning signatures.  I make a little btc with a signature ad but it's certainly not the reason why I use the forum.
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March 24, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
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Ban advertising signatures and I would still use this forum.  It is not like you can feed your family with ad tips.  Posting should probably be an altruistic act in the first place because most people couldn't pay what it would cost if everyone charged a reasonable amount of money for the time they put into this forum.  Some have profit motives in ads they put, or services they offer, or the like, but for myself it is to teach and learn and maybe have some fun.

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Is this some kind of ultimatum? If you don't like it here you are free to leave. There's a very nice Reddit Bitcoin forum where you can be downvoted into oblivion and then shadow banned on top of it.
Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

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March 24, 2015, 10:38:24 PM
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Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

People who earn $2 per hour certainly aren't participating in this forum, let alone be involved in a sig campaign.

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March 24, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
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Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

People who earn $2 per hour certainly aren't participating in this forum, let alone be involved in a sig campaign.

What would you bet on that? What about people who earn even less, does that count?
I'm willing to take that bet any time.

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March 24, 2015, 10:51:04 PM
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Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

People who earn $2 per hour certainly aren't participating in this forum, let alone be involved in a sig campaign.

What would you bet on that? What about people who earn even less, does that count?
I'm willing to take that bet any time.

I won't bet on other people's misery. Sorry.

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March 24, 2015, 10:58:57 PM
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Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

People who earn $2 per hour certainly aren't participating in this forum, let alone be involved in a sig campaign.

What would you bet on that? What about people who earn even less, does that count?
I'm willing to take that bet any time.

I won't bet on other people's misery. Sorry.



FYI minimum wages in some EU countries like Romania and Bulgaria are around $160 a month. That's less than $6 a day. Not to mention  other continents like Africa or middle Asia where wages are even more 'impressive' in a very bad way. Do you think that here on bitcointalk we don't have any Romanians and Bulgarians, Ukrainians and Russians? Do you live in your own pocket universe? It is not misery. It is the reality of this world. You should be aware of it.


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March 24, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
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Your point about feeding the family is ridiculous as well. There are many places in the world where people are earning $2 per hour, please go and tell these people $100 they can get from a sig add every month is just an insignificant tip.

People who earn $2 per hour certainly aren't participating in this forum, let alone be involved in a sig campaign.

What would you bet on that? What about people who earn even less, does that count?
I'm willing to take that bet any time.

I won't bet on other people's misery. Sorry.

This sounds like you withdraw the point.  As others have said, what you can buy with one USD varies a whole lot depending on where you are in the world.  There are a lot of places with internet access and personal computers where USD buys quite a lot.  I wouldn't take Stargazer's bet because he's probably right.

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March 24, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink

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March 24, 2015, 11:19:46 PM
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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink

Is against the forum rules wear a sig ad? I don't think  Undecided. However your idea is useless, the forum doesn't need your suggestions.
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March 24, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
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Trust ratings should be for transactions/business, not someones opinion about an ad.

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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink

Or, what if we set things up to add negative trust not just to paid advertizers, but to everyone who's running around promoting some company (ahem, MSCorp and keys, ahem).


Trust ratings should be for transactions/business, not someones opinion about an ad.

Not for Vod, he adds negative trust to anyone who acts against the best interests of Microsoft.

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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink

Or, what if we set things up to add negative trust not just to paid advertizers, but to everyone who's running around promoting some company (ahem, MSCorp and keys, ahem).


Trust ratings should be for transactions/business, not someones opinion about an ad.

Not for Vod, he adds negative trust to anyone who acts against the best interests of Microsoft.

Do you have the maturity to keep such discussions where they belong?

In case anyone else is confused, I put a smiley face at the end of my sentence to indicate I was joking.

Sorry for derailing this thread.   Undecided

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March 24, 2015, 11:47:31 PM
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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink
Great idea! Lead the way then starting with trusted members. Don't forget about forum staff, I've seen some of them with paid sigs. Wink


P.S. If you could please don't let this discussion turn into another "Vod is abusing trust" thread.

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How about we send the trusted members to negative trust any member with a paid signature?   Wink

Or, what if we set things up to add negative trust not just to paid advertizers, but to everyone who's running around promoting some company (ahem, MSCorp and keys, ahem).


Trust ratings should be for transactions/business, not someones opinion about an ad.

Not for Vod, he adds negative trust to anyone who acts against the best interests of Microsoft.

Do you have the maturity to keep such discussions where they belong?

In case anyone else is confused, I put a smiley face at the end of my sentence to indicate I was joking.

Sorry for derailing this thread.   Undecided

Tit for tat my man.  I guess I forgot the smiley face in my post.  Perhaps we can pretend I used one.

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Perhaps advertising signatures could only appear in:
  • Economics
  • Marketplace
  • Trading discussion
  • Meta
  • Politics & Society
  • Beginners & Help
  • Off-topic
  • Archival
  • Altcoin Discussion
  • Announcements (Altcoins)
  • Mining (Altcoins)
  • Marketplace (Altcoins)


This would leave:
  • Bitcoin Discussion
  • Development & Technical Discussion
  • Mining
  • Technical Support
  • Project Development
Advert-spam free?

Although I guess this list is highly subjective, and we are back at the question of "does this really incentivise spammers to post less"?

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Perhaps advertising signatures could only appear in:
  • Economics
  • Marketplace
  • Trading discussion
  • Meta
  • Politics & Society
  • Beginners & Help
  • Off-topic
  • Archival
  • Altcoin Discussion
  • Announcements (Altcoins)
  • Mining (Altcoins)
  • Marketplace (Altcoins)


This would leave:
  • Bitcoin Discussion
  • Development & Technical Discussion
  • Mining
  • Technical Support
  • Project Development
Advert-spam free?

Although I guess this list is highly subjective, and we are back at the question of "does this really incentivise spammers to post less"?
Why is economics or altcoin discussion so different that bitcoin discussion? But I just want to ask something, most of the campaigns banned off-topic section and don't pay you for posts written there. Yet, people are posting there as before (with signatures) and spam is real. So I guess signature, or no signature there is no difference really.


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