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July 14, 2015, 01:22:30 PM
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I genuinely hope you do complete your forum and I would certainly check it out, but I'm not sure how well it will work but I'm very interested to see if it will and how it does. If it's far superior to this one then I'm sure it will catch on. Again, good luck with it.   

Whether it will gain any popularity is actually of little concern to me as my interest is in simply creating the technology (so basically that will be up to others if they think the technology is something they want to use). Also whether something is "superior" is a very "subjective opinion" so for sure it won't be being promoted as that.

I agree that you are probably right that getting rid of ad-sigs won't bring this forum back to what it was like in 2011/2012. A lot of people that used to contribute a lot of interesting stuff have left between 2013 and 2014 (whether they left due to the poorer quality content is hard to say).

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July 14, 2015, 02:00:27 PM
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I genuinely hope you do complete your forum and I would certainly check it out, but I'm not sure how well it will work but I'm very interested to see if it will and how it does. If it's far superior to this one then I'm sure it will catch on. Again, good luck with it.   

Whether it will gain any popularity is actually of little concern to me as my interest is in simply creating the technology (so basically that will be up to others if they think the technology is something they want to use). Also whether something is "superior" is a very "subjective opinion" so for sure it won't be being promoted as that.

I agree that you are probably right that getting rid of ad-sigs won't bring this forum back to what it was like in 2011/2012. A lot of people that used to contribute a lot of interesting stuff have left between 2013 and 2014 (whether they left due to the poorer quality content is hard to say).


It is subjective but if it is superior then those people who think so will naturally flock to it much like bitcoin and it will grow over time like this forum has, but it also may reach a time where it crosses some sort of rubicon and people may become disenfranchised with its popularity or the content of posts there. Forums with a lack of moderation can quickly get messy and maybe that's part of the problem here with the hands off approach from staff but I feel it works well in certain circumstances and is likely the best option to allow discussion, but that also means we allow scammers and trolls etc and sometimes people get offended by that (as you found out not so long ago but is that a job for the mods to censor? I would say no but there is always a limit to what is or isn't acceptable). Maybe with a decentralised forum with no mods or rules the users can moderate what they see themselves and just get into the habit of ignoring all scammers and trolls or shitposters themselves manually but this is a lot of work in itself but it could work. You choose what you want or don't want to see but you or nobody else can censor what others can see and I agree with that in theory. It's like self-modded threads here. People can censor who they like in it but people are free to not post in there or ignore those users or just create their own threads to respond. For those that are interested in bitcoin for the tech and the political ramifications of it and its decentralised nature I'm sure they will also love your forum for the same reasons (providing it does work, but another thing that kills forums is a lack of participation or discussion and that is hard to achieve and say what you want about this forum but there's plenty of discussion whether it's intelligent or half-assed nonsense). I think your idea would suit some people very well, but also not others, but as I said I'm very interested to see if and how it will work (some things do and some things don't when they're centralised or de) so keep me informed.

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July 14, 2015, 02:22:13 PM
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The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).

I tried that - and my "report accuracy" rapidly went down from 90+% to 40+% (so the mods seemingly "approve of rubbish").

So I would *not* recommend anyone to do that (unless they want to see their "report accuracy" tank). You might want to check your "report accuracy" after doing that for a while.


^^^This.   You can click on the report button when someone is just writing a banal reword of what's written above them but for a mod who is trying to quickly weed through a lot of posts, it's really hard to tell at first glance that the person isn't doing so in good faith.  Mods want to err on the side of caution so they say, no let it stand, it looks somewhat reasonable.  But this leads to pages and pages of rewording the same answer in many cases---threads full of mindless repitition.  I'm just trying to echo here that I also tried reporting the useless echo posts which had sig-ads under them and I just saw my report accuracy go down the tubes.


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July 14, 2015, 04:27:28 PM
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I disagree with the OP. Lots of good discussions going on everywhere. He just cant find them.


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July 15, 2015, 02:51:33 AM
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I don't think banning or removing signature will fix the problem. Those signature campaigners should just change the rules. Make it more relevant to this forum, I mean make it more hard for people to spam threads in here. Ban tgose who don't follow the rules. Not the campaign because they actually helps, those little bits of coins we get from their campaign.


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July 16, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
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I disagree with the OP. Lots of good discussions going on everywhere. He just cant find them.

yes cool. and there are also useless guys posting irrelevant vague non-sense BS in order to higher their posts counts. you for example with this post.

length is enough to be counted, it is in section, which is valid for posts so why care so much right?

generally (even I'm part of signature campaign), I'll be really happy, if those campaigns would be disabled or at least only allowed with pay per period model instead of pay per post, like majority of them. pay per post model only leads to useless posts, asking for same again and again and some hidden trolling/aggressive (because if you troll, you can reply easily). but yes, it is not helping to maintain quality, which was quite common back in the days.
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July 17, 2015, 12:05:45 AM
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I disagree with the OP. Lots of good discussions going on everywhere. He just cant find them.

Thank you for your most valuable input.  Roll Eyes

I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people) that don't read any of the posts in the thread and post something indirectly related to OP's post to seem like they are engaging. Normally, they never return to topic.

I'm not saying disable signatures but more liberal use of bans wouldn't be bad idea either. That might discourage this type of "thread fluffing" spam.
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July 17, 2015, 12:11:12 AM
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I disagree with the OP. Lots of good discussions going on everywhere. He just cant find them.

Thank you for your most valuable input.  Roll Eyes

I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people) that don't read any of the posts in the thread and post something indirectly related to OP's post to seem like they are engaging. Normally, they never return to topic.

I'm not saying disable signatures but more liberal use of bans wouldn't be bad idea either. That might discourage this type of "thread fluffing" spam.

Yes, the spam is annoying, but when you look at the bigger picture, signatures campaigns truly are good for the community. Now, call me biased because I personally am enrolled in a signature campaign, but the fact that there are programs out there that allow anyone to earn an honest amount of BTC just for participating in community discussion is great. Sure, it may lead to a bit of spam, but it's much easier to ignore the spam then ban the concept that is, in my opinion, one of the greatest goods in the community.

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July 17, 2015, 12:30:08 AM
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I disagree with the OP. Lots of good discussions going on everywhere. He just cant find them.

Thank you for your most valuable input.  Roll Eyes

I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people) that don't read any of the posts in the thread and post something indirectly related to OP's post to seem like they are engaging. Normally, they never return to topic.

I'm not saying disable signatures but more liberal use of bans wouldn't be bad idea either. That might discourage this type of "thread fluffing" spam.

Yes, the spam is annoying, but when you look at the bigger picture, signatures campaigns truly are good for the community. Now, call me biased because I personally am enrolled in a signature campaign, but the fact that there are programs out there that allow anyone to earn an honest amount of BTC just for participating in community discussion is great. Sure, it may lead to a bit of spam, but it's much easier to ignore the spam then ban the concept that is, in my opinion, one of the greatest goods in the community.

lol you took something you could say in one line and turned it into a paragraph by repeating yourself. *clap* enjoy your .001.

The reality is that signatures don't promote discussion. If you really want to talk about BTC, getting paid to talk about it won't make your comments more interesting or more pertinent to the discussion.

It's awesome to get money for sitting on your computer and posting on a forum but don't bullshit and say it enhances the community or is "one of the greatest goods in the community"  Roll Eyes Come on
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July 17, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
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I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people)

yes, bit-x and coinomat are 2 major campaigns, paying for useless plague here. I tried to report several times to their sig. managers, but they don't even reply..?!

they both accepting everybody, their signature managers are somehow overloaded and not so active at all (except posting, that they accepted new members) and because of automated checks by bots, they don't even care about quality of posts. (reason is simple: both quality and useless posts had same size and visibility, so why care so much, right..?)

"product" of this unlimited madness is user called Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) and I encourage everybody to check, how often and what he is actually posting and how this board may ends up...

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I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people)

yes, bit-x and coinomat are 2 major campaigns, paying for useless plague here. I tried to report several times to their sig. managers, but they don't even reply..?!

they both accepting everybody, their signature managers are somehow overloaded and not so active at all (except posting, that they accepted new members) and because of automated checks by bots, they don't even care about quality of posts. (reason is simple: both quality and useless posts had same size and visibility, so why care so much, right..?)

"product" of this unlimited madness is user called Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) and I encourage everybody to check, how often and what he is actually posting and how this board may ends up...

enjoy

oh yeah here we go again, tells me what bothers you about my post? it's the number of posts...., you know that numbers of posts != spam right?

what if someone can "spam" constructive post all day? here there is a big problem with the definition of "constructive post" apparently

it seems that everything which has not a technical knowledges is not a constructive post...we are lucky that mod do not agree
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July 17, 2015, 04:53:38 PM
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you know that numbers of posts != spam right?
what if someone can "spam" constructive post all day?

uhh what, did you even read what are you posting here?

funny comparison:

ChartBuddy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=110685)  - Automated posting Bot  - created 2013-05-03 - posts: 16174

Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) - the Useless user - created 2013-04-13 - posts: 15743

so yes, in last 2 years, you are only 400 posts behind the bot, which is generating exchange charts every hour...you had so much to say, don't you?Smiley

and now arguing with something like "mods don't give a shit, I'm doing fine" - no my dear, just admit it to yourself, that you are posting here only because you are getting paid for it by campaign without weekly cap..

..or you will keep posting ~40 posts per day, even if campaign will be disabled? I simply don't think so. and now, posts please another 2 lines bullshit, to get your .001 and quote this whole post to make it longer.
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I see way too many posts from people (especially bit-x people)

yes, bit-x and coinomat are 2 major campaigns, paying for useless plague here. I tried to report several times to their sig. managers, but they don't even reply..?!

they both accepting everybody, their signature managers are somehow overloaded and not so active at all (except posting, that they accepted new members) and because of automated checks by bots, they don't even care about quality of posts. (reason is simple: both quality and useless posts had same size and visibility, so why care so much, right..?)

"product" of this unlimited madness is user called Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) and I encourage everybody to check, how often and what he is actually posting and how this board may ends up...

enjoy

oh yeah here we go again, tells me what bothers you about my post? it's the number of posts...., you know that numbers of posts != spam right?

what if someone can "spam" constructive post all day? here there is a big problem with the definition of "constructive post" apparently

it seems that everything which has not a technical knowledges is not a constructive post...we are lucky that mod do not agree


Well, besides the fact that you've whored out your entire sig and avatar space to bit-x, every single one of your posts from just the first page of your reply's is quoting somebody else and making a general reference either in a question thread or far along in an already 60 page thread. There is no actual contribution. You are a pro thread fluffer. You could disappear and know one would know you are gone even with your 15.7k posts.
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July 17, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
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Not everybody in a signature campaign posts useless posts. I have recently joined one but only post as I would normally would.

Cause you don't know the shit I've been through...
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July 17, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
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Not everybody in a signature campaign posts useless posts. I have recently joined one but only post as I would normally would.
I'm not sore about that, before you joined the campaign, most of your posts were high quality 3 lines+ posts but since then, you've only made one post that is more than 1 line and it was two lines
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July 18, 2015, 04:16:07 AM
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Da Dice had a decent system of grading campaign participants by post quality and rewarding those that posted well and kicking out those that didn't.

Monetary rewards are what's causing spam, let's use that same element to fight it. Reward those that add to the community, don't reward (or diminish the reward) for those that don't add to the community. Obviously the definition of "add to" is subjective so the definition needs to be broad enough to satisfy most people.

The companies and the campaign managers have the responsibility to police their crew of participants - that's a fact.

The forum plays the fine balance of setting bans to those abusing the rules and letting the other shit get by - it's a tough role to play.

It makes more sense to try to police the few that make these opportunities possible than the many that are trying to make some money from it.

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Da Dice had a decent system of grading campaign participants by post quality and rewarding those that posted well and kicking out those that didn't.

Monetary rewards are what's causing spam, let's use that same element to fight it. Reward those that add to the community, don't reward (or diminish the reward) for those that don't add to the community. Obviously the definition of "add to" is subjective so the definition needs to be broad enough to satisfy most people.

The companies and the campaign managers have the responsibility to police their crew of participants - that's a fact.

The forum plays the fine balance of setting bans to those abusing the rules and letting the other shit get by - it's a tough role to play.

It makes more sense to try to police the few that make these opportunities possible than the many that are trying to make some money from it.


This is absolutely and pragmatically correct.  From a practical standpoint, it makes sense to have a mod-of-sig-ad campaigns (or maybe two), make that mod be responsible for enforcing punishments on the signature-ad campaigns themselves via the campaign managers.  If any campaign is causing useless spam and not moderating it for themself (by kicking out those who are abusing) then the campaign manager should answer to the mod-of-sig-ad-campaigns with a final punishment being like a temp-ban on everyone wearing that sig.

It's a good solution because while it's impossible for a handful of mods to keep up with all the sig-ad-campaigns, it's feasible that a mod or two could keep track of the campaign managers from a high level and start enforcing rules in that way.

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July 18, 2015, 07:55:00 PM
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oki, so it seems, that the Useless user called Amph will never ever come back again or reply...he did his useless post, post is counted, so why he should even bother himself..?

btw, for all you guys, which are standing behind idea, that signature campaigns paying for all (even low quality posts) without cap are so useful and should remain as is, please take yor time and check:

OMG!!! i won 543 BTC - AT Primedice.com ohhhh sh: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1127363.0

I would say, that this is rock bottom of internet communication. I never saw something meaningless on any internet board so far.. Why are mods and admins here so toothless? Because idea of bitcoin is freedom, or they simple don't care?
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July 18, 2015, 08:05:22 PM
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oki, so it seems, that the Useless user called Amph will never ever come back again or reply...he did his useless post, post is counted, so why he should even bother himself..?
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I don't want to "defend" him but if the admin have not banned him then I think there is a reason behind that choice, or am I wrong?
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oki, so it seems, that the Useless user called Amph will never ever come back again or reply...he did his useless post, post is counted, so why he should even bother himself..?
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I don't want to "defend" him but if the admin have not banned him then I think there is a reason behind that choice, or am I wrong?

admin also didn't banned accounts, which are owned by "companies" like BlackArrow, KNC or BFL. I can also see, that accounts with dozens trusted negative feedback notes are not banned at all.

I'm not sure, if your argument is valid at this point, because bans (at least based on my personal impressions) are more or less rare event here..
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