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October 10, 2015, 11:53:47 AM

An user of the italian section (Anon39) suggested to prohibit campaign that pay for post, and allowing only campaigns that pay a fixed value every month.
I'm not sure if this is the solution, but it can be a good improvement.
It must be also forbidden to compel the user to write a minimum of posts.


I really like this idea, why not try it for a month or two ? It won't stop the spam but I am sure it will decrease it.
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October 10, 2015, 12:08:07 PM

It might be time to bump up the signature restrictions
i.e. New Legendary Signature Restriction = Current Hero Signature Restriction
New Hero Signature Restriction = Current Senior Signature Restriction

I notice a lot of spam from full member accounts.
People might think twice about destroying senior accounts by spamming.
Moreover, it has been quite some time that Legendary position has been introduced, but nothing has changed on the signature restriction front.

Restrictions in terms of size of signature don't really do much though. Nothing changed when the sig restrictions got put in place other than the amount someone could earn but most of the spam comes from Newbs-Members and they're clearly willing to post shit for dust so they'd do it no matter what. I've suggested removing signatures for lower ranks as a possibility. Maybe remove them for everyone up to Full Members like we do for avatars and I think that would cut down the vast majority of spam but I would rather signature campaign managers just do their job and employ some sort of quality control instead. If campaign managers actually did what they're supposed to and refuse to pay shitposters we wouldnt have this problem.

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October 10, 2015, 12:10:32 PM

Temp banning them is exactly what I've suggested. More temp bans need to be handed out to the users on their campaigns too until they get the message. And being a lazy campaign manager might not be against the rules but but spamming poor quality posts which they encourage is and do nothing to stop. A rule can always be added that if people can't run a campaign effectively then there will be punishments. Regardless, these campaigns are still being a nuicance and nuicance users are usually banned. If a user signed up to this forum and created a thread that said they were going to pay users to post crap all over do you think they wouldn't receive negative feedback or be banned? No difference here really. The signature campaigns like yobit and secondstrade are causing a significant mess and it's unfair on everyone. Signature campaigns could actually improve the post quality of the forum if campaign managers only accepted and paid users who made decent posts and there are some campaigns that do that but it's futile ultimately when the users that don't get accepted or paid for their posts just go to a campaign like yobit and secondstrade that will pay them for any crap they post.
its spelled "nuisance" btw, and that aside, banning the campaign managers, i feel, might be ineffective to some extent; they could use alt accounts to manage campaigns, and they dont even have to be able to post to 'manage' the campaign if they get banned; all they have to do is be able to count posts and punch in numbers to send payouts. i think simply being more stringent on what qualifies as a constructive post might do better; hand out more bans and raise the bar a little bit.

of course, there is also the option of going as far as to ban the campaign entirely by banning any user that wears 'x' campaign's signature, but it would never come to that given the current "rules."

they cant use alt-account: that would be ban-evading.
but you are right, that they dont need a forum account et al to create and manage a campaign. but IMHO they wont get that much users without forum visibility which might help a bit
i meant they could get approval from 'x' service provider to run the campaign, and with the intent to be lazy as fuck, create an alt account or buy a cheap one to manage the campaign, and if they decide to do so, they can use a vpn, whatever to hide the link between the alt and main account. that way, if the campaign was deemed to be poorly managed, the alt account would suffer the ban instead of the manager's main one.

They would have to reveal the name of the company that the members will have to advertise, so will be easy to find the people behind the the business.

And ban them probably would be bad for BTC economy, just close the campaign and don't let them create another one

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October 10, 2015, 12:38:05 PM

It might be time to bump up the signature restrictions
i.e. New Legendary Signature Restriction = Current Hero Signature Restriction
New Hero Signature Restriction = Current Senior Signature Restriction

I notice a lot of spam from full member accounts.
People might think twice about destroying senior accounts by spamming.
Moreover, it has been quite some time that Legendary position has been introduced, but nothing has changed on the signature restriction front.

Restrictions in terms of size of signature don't really do much though. Nothing changed when the sig restrictions got put in place other than the amount someone could earn but most of the spam comes from Newbs-Members and they're clearly willing to post shit for dust so they'd do it no matter what. I've suggested removing signatures for lower ranks as a possibility. Maybe remove them for everyone up to Full Members like we do for avatars and I think that would cut down the vast majority of spam but I would rather signature campaign managers just do their job and employ some sort of quality control instead. If campaign managers actually did what they're supposed to and refuse to pay shitposters we wouldnt have this problem.

That is true, but even one or two bad campaign managers can spoil the situation.
I like the idea of removing signatures for lower ranks. It wouldn't be too hard to implement and can be rolled back if unsuccessful.
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October 10, 2015, 12:51:48 PM

This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active. I do not think things will change anytime soon due to this. I agree that the managers should do a better job with the useless posters though. I wish all of the campaigns were just flat rate as that would help a lot with the useless posts. I get a flat .5 per month regardless of how much I post (not that I would post more for extra pay though). It is a shame these campaigns do not just work how they should and cause all of this drama. No matter what system is put in place people will abuse it do to the incentives. You have people here that can live off of these campaigns in their part of the world.

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October 10, 2015, 12:56:05 PM

It might be time to bump up the signature restrictions
i.e. New Legendary Signature Restriction = Current Hero Signature Restriction
New Hero Signature Restriction = Current Senior Signature Restriction

I notice a lot of spam from full member accounts.
People might think twice about destroying senior accounts by spamming.
Moreover, it has been quite some time that Legendary position has been introduced, but nothing has changed on the signature restriction front.

Restrictions in terms of size of signature don't really do much though. Nothing changed when the sig restrictions got put in place other than the amount someone could earn but most of the spam comes from Newbs-Members and they're clearly willing to post shit for dust so they'd do it no matter what. I've suggested removing signatures for lower ranks as a possibility. Maybe remove them for everyone up to Full Members like we do for avatars and I think that would cut down the vast majority of spam but I would rather signature campaign managers just do their job and employ some sort of quality control instead. If campaign managers actually did what they're supposed to and refuse to pay shitposters we wouldnt have this problem.

That is true, but even one or two bad campaign managers can spoil the situation.

Exactly and this is what's so frustrating. It's a small number of campaigns who are being lazy and are not willing to actually manage their users that are causing the most damage and spoiling it for everyone and that's why something needs to be done about them because they clearly have no interest in managing their campaigns and will continue to pay users to shitpost for dust no matter what. It's ultimately futile even with the good campaigns that are well managed and do what they're supposed to and kick people off because those users just immediately join one of the campaigns that will have them and their posts get worse day after day when they realise they can post anything any get paid for it.

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October 10, 2015, 12:56:16 PM

This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active. I do not think things will change anytime soon due to this. I agree that the managers should do a better job with the useless posters though. I wish all of the campaigns were just flat rate as that would help a lot with the useless posts. I get a flat .5 per month regardless of how much I post (not that I would post more for extra pay though). It is a shame these campaigns do not just work how they should and cause all of this drama. No matter what system is put in place people will abuse it do to the incentives. You have people here that can live off of these campaigns in their part of the world.

Then people with alts will just use them in several campaigns, or people will just buy accounts to be able to post as much as before.

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

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October 10, 2015, 01:01:49 PM

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.

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October 10, 2015, 01:12:48 PM

This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active. I do not think things will change anytime soon due to this. I agree that the managers should do a better job with the useless posters though. I wish all of the campaigns were just flat rate as that would help a lot with the useless posts. I get a flat .5 per month regardless of how much I post (not that I would post more for extra pay though). It is a shame these campaigns do not just work how they should and cause all of this drama. No matter what system is put in place people will abuse it do to the incentives. You have people here that can live off of these campaigns in their part of the world.

Then people with alts will just use them in several campaigns, or people will just buy accounts to be able to post as much as before.

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

It doesn't matter how many alts someone may or may not have but the quality of posts that comes from them. I'd rather have one person with ten alts making excellent posts than one user making ten shitposts.

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.

We might not ban scammers but we ban spammers and lazy signature campaign managers should be treated the same in my opinion as they're the ones essentially causing it. Some punishment needs to be handed to them otherwise nothing is going to change.

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October 10, 2015, 09:07:51 PM

I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.


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October 10, 2015, 09:10:55 PM

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.
not to mention that sig campaigns more or less drive the forum forward in terms of posts; if they were to be disallowed i think we could all agree that the number of posts would shrink substantially.

We might not ban scammers but we ban spammers and lazy signature campaign managers should be treated the same in my opinion as they're the ones essentially causing it. Some punishment needs to be handed to them otherwise nothing is going to change.
id say theyre more or less enablng the spammers, but the distinction aside, theyre part of the problem regardless.

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October 10, 2015, 09:23:00 PM

I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.

Ignoring the sig is not the issue as stated in this thread 100 times already. The shitty posts are the problem.

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October 10, 2015, 09:27:03 PM

I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.
Some people don't understand how things works. They think signatures are root of all evil, but in fact totally the other way around.
For example check out reddit, and see if that forum is free from spam - and, surprise, spam is everywhere and there are no paid signatures there.

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October 10, 2015, 09:46:50 PM

This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active.

Therein lies the rub; the signature campaigns arguably degrade signal:noise.
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October 10, 2015, 09:56:27 PM

maybe who manage a good signature (with high quality post and useful topic for the forums) can get a little help and go better from other signature who pay also for spam topic (bump image off topic and so on)
The signature are a must in a forum... and a good way to earn a couple of bucks to understand how to use bitcoin and related cryptocoin.
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October 11, 2015, 01:01:57 PM

Well, as a remedy for the sig campaign problems, I suggest we ban everybody below Hero Member from starting new threads, ban anybody who asks less than expert questions from posting on existing threads, ban anybody who points out obvious scams on self moderated threads, and then place a ban on anybody new who attempt to get involved in conversations surrounding the technology.  The fewer bitcoin new members receive, the more bitcoin available to original members.

I think the problem is that too many people are getting interested in the technology.  The conversation and post quality was so much better when the interest was low, the coding was basic, and the markets were easily manipulated.  What we need to do is prevent bitcoin from being adopted by the inexperienced because they make us look stupid with ignorant posts like this one....If only we could find a nice dark warm safe place to stick our bitcoin, the world would be a much better place.

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October 11, 2015, 02:15:01 PM

Well, as a remedy for the sig campaign problems, I suggest we ban everybody below Hero Member from starting new threads, ban anybody who asks less than expert questions from posting on existing threads, ban anybody who points out obvious scams on self moderated threads, and then place a ban on anybody new who attempt to get involved in conversations surrounding the technology.  The fewer bitcoin new members receive, the more bitcoin available to original members.

I think the problem is that too many people are getting interested in the technology.  The conversation and post quality was so much better when the interest was low, the coding was basic, and the markets were easily manipulated.  What we need to do is prevent bitcoin from being adopted by the inexperienced because they make us look stupid with ignorant posts like this one....If only we could find a nice dark warm safe place to stick our bitcoin, the world would be a much better place.

Banning spammers does not hurt Bitcoin it helps it. If a new person to Bitcoin comes here and sees the utterly useless spam posts they will probably think "wow these guys are stupid". I am all for newer people making some coins with campaigns, but they need to at least make decent posts. It is funny how many people will post the same thing in a thread over and over to bump their count. I do not expect everyone to be smart or knowledgeable about Bitcoin, but at least put forth some effort.

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October 11, 2015, 04:03:01 PM

This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active.

I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.
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October 11, 2015, 04:22:32 PM

I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.
So the most important thing here is profit? When did this forum become a corporation?


Another alternative, keep signatures and ban signature campaigns with strict punishments if someone does deals in private.


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