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October 10, 2015, 01:01:49 PM
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I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.

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October 10, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
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This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active. I do not think things will change anytime soon due to this. I agree that the managers should do a better job with the useless posters though. I wish all of the campaigns were just flat rate as that would help a lot with the useless posts. I get a flat .5 per month regardless of how much I post (not that I would post more for extra pay though). It is a shame these campaigns do not just work how they should and cause all of this drama. No matter what system is put in place people will abuse it do to the incentives. You have people here that can live off of these campaigns in their part of the world.

Then people with alts will just use them in several campaigns, or people will just buy accounts to be able to post as much as before.

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

It doesn't matter how many alts someone may or may not have but the quality of posts that comes from them. I'd rather have one person with ten alts making excellent posts than one user making ten shitposts.

I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.

We might not ban scammers but we ban spammers and lazy signature campaign managers should be treated the same in my opinion as they're the ones essentially causing it. Some punishment needs to be handed to them otherwise nothing is going to change.

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October 10, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
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Remove the signature users.
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October 10, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
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I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.


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October 10, 2015, 09:10:55 PM
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I think the best is ban the signature campaign if it generates too much spam, and only allow them to return if they prove they would not allow spammers

I'm pretty sure that, just like the forum doesn't ban obvious scammers, they wouldn't ban signature campaigns. They can operate their business here as they would like to and we can't really enforce how they do it.
not to mention that sig campaigns more or less drive the forum forward in terms of posts; if they were to be disallowed i think we could all agree that the number of posts would shrink substantially.

We might not ban scammers but we ban spammers and lazy signature campaign managers should be treated the same in my opinion as they're the ones essentially causing it. Some punishment needs to be handed to them otherwise nothing is going to change.
id say theyre more or less enablng the spammers, but the distinction aside, theyre part of the problem regardless.

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October 10, 2015, 09:23:00 PM
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I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.

Ignoring the sig is not the issue as stated in this thread 100 times already. The shitty posts are the problem.

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October 10, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
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I'm kinda sad that people have these opinions. There are quite a few sig ignoring extensions that you can use. Dont be selfish, this is a small source of income for alot of people.
Some people don't understand how things works. They think signatures are root of all evil, but in fact totally the other way around.
For example check out reddit, and see if that forum is free from spam - and, surprise, spam is everywhere and there are no paid signatures there.

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October 10, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
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This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active.

Therein lies the rub; the signature campaigns arguably degrade signal:noise.
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October 10, 2015, 09:56:27 PM
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maybe who manage a good signature (with high quality post and useful topic for the forums) can get a little help and go better from other signature who pay also for spam topic (bump image off topic and so on)
The signature are a must in a forum... and a good way to earn a couple of bucks to understand how to use bitcoin and related cryptocoin.
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October 11, 2015, 01:01:57 PM
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Well, as a remedy for the sig campaign problems, I suggest we ban everybody below Hero Member from starting new threads, ban anybody who asks less than expert questions from posting on existing threads, ban anybody who points out obvious scams on self moderated threads, and then place a ban on anybody new who attempt to get involved in conversations surrounding the technology.  The fewer bitcoin new members receive, the more bitcoin available to original members.

I think the problem is that too many people are getting interested in the technology.  The conversation and post quality was so much better when the interest was low, the coding was basic, and the markets were easily manipulated.  What we need to do is prevent bitcoin from being adopted by the inexperienced because they make us look stupid with ignorant posts like this one....If only we could find a nice dark warm safe place to stick our bitcoin, the world would be a much better place.
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October 11, 2015, 02:15:01 PM
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Well, as a remedy for the sig campaign problems, I suggest we ban everybody below Hero Member from starting new threads, ban anybody who asks less than expert questions from posting on existing threads, ban anybody who points out obvious scams on self moderated threads, and then place a ban on anybody new who attempt to get involved in conversations surrounding the technology.  The fewer bitcoin new members receive, the more bitcoin available to original members.

I think the problem is that too many people are getting interested in the technology.  The conversation and post quality was so much better when the interest was low, the coding was basic, and the markets were easily manipulated.  What we need to do is prevent bitcoin from being adopted by the inexperienced because they make us look stupid with ignorant posts like this one....If only we could find a nice dark warm safe place to stick our bitcoin, the world would be a much better place.

Banning spammers does not hurt Bitcoin it helps it. If a new person to Bitcoin comes here and sees the utterly useless spam posts they will probably think "wow these guys are stupid". I am all for newer people making some coins with campaigns, but they need to at least make decent posts. It is funny how many people will post the same thing in a thread over and over to bump their count. I do not expect everyone to be smart or knowledgeable about Bitcoin, but at least put forth some effort.

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October 11, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
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This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active.

I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.

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October 11, 2015, 04:22:32 PM
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I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.
So the most important thing here is profit? When did this forum become a corporation?


Another alternative, keep signatures and ban signature campaigns with strict punishments if someone does deals in private.

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October 11, 2015, 04:24:40 PM
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This forum needs the signature campaigns to remain so active.

I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.

And that's 21stC Earth, ruled by the new Holy Trinity of Clicks, Ad Revenue and Zerocontent.
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October 11, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
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I completely agree and I've said the same thing in the past.

Signature campaigns lead to more ad views which translates into more revenue for theymos. Ban the signature campaigns and views (aswell as posts) will drop (undoubtably by a huge amount) and ad revenue will suffer.
So the most important thing here is profit? When did this forum become a corporation?


Another alternative, keep signatures and ban signature campaigns with strict punishments if someone does deals in private.


But marcotheminer has exposed a logical point of view, if a lot of signature campaign will be banned the number of visits and posts will decrease (automatically). However, I don't think the most important thing here is the internal forum ads revenue.
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October 11, 2015, 04:30:32 PM
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But marcotheminer has exposed a logical point of view, if a lot of signature campaign will be banned the number of visits and posts will decrease (automatically). However, I don't think the most important thing here is the internal forum ads revenue.
Which is of pretty low importance. The number of anything (most cases) is useless if it is of very low quality. BTCT should be a place of full of excellent discussions, not a place full of random posts. From this viewpoint, the quality of content on BTCT has heavily degraded over time because of various reasons.

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But marcotheminer has exposed a logical point of view, if a lot of signature campaign will be banned the number of visits and posts will decrease (automatically). However, I don't think the most important thing here is the internal forum ads revenue.
Which is of pretty low importance. The number of anything is useless if it is of very low quality. BTCT should be a place of full of excellent discussions, not a place full of random posts.


I hope the number of useless and spammy will decrease, but without an interview of the admin I don't think the things will change.

From this viewpoint, the quality of content on BTCT has heavily degraded over time because of various reasons.


I agree with you, the sig campaigns are in the first place of the reason list (or at least them are the primary cause).
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October 11, 2015, 04:49:23 PM
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Call me biased as I am wearing one, but I don't think a paid signature is really the problem. I see (new) members spamming low quality posts without the use of signatures about as often as I see low quality posts from members wearing a signature ad.
While I am not trying to bash the moderation of this forum at all; all of the staff do a great job keeping the forum clean, I think there should be perhaps some better defined guidelines against what is and isn't a spam post and strict moderation on said posts.
Paid signatures do incentivize spam/low quality posting, but I don't believe that they are the overall root of the problem.
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October 11, 2015, 05:33:36 PM
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Call me biased as I am wearing one, but I don't think a paid signature is really the problem. I see (new) members spamming low quality posts without the use of signatures ...
Account farming. It's a thing.
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Paid signatures do incentivize spam/low quality posting, but I don't believe that they are the overall root of the problem.
Nothing is the root of all evil, we have to settle for making things better piecemeal, symptomatically even.
Paid signatures don't disincentivize spam/low quality posting, so let's get rid of them & make this forum a [slightly] better place.
Then we can keep making it better, one step at a time.
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October 11, 2015, 06:08:48 PM
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Account farming. It's a thing.
I was just giving an example of when it wasn't due to a signature.
Paid signatures don't disincentivize spam/low quality posting, so let's get rid of them & make this forum a [slightly] better place.
As you said above, account farming is a thing. I'm sure that the sale of accounts would still be around, though likely not as much, even with paid signatures disabled. There would still then be low quality posts from people trying to boost their accounts to sell.
How do we stop account farming? We do what I suggested. We tighten the grip on any low quality post, irrelevant if they have a signature or not. The only way to do this that I can see is create a solid ruleset on what is and isn't allowed in a post and enforce that ruleset strictly. This would be the only way to deincentivize low quality posting.
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