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July 11, 2015, 04:11:07 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley
You might be; or at the very least you didn't bother to read this thread.  That checkbox has been pointed out several times, the reasons why people may not want to use that checkbox have also been discussed, and hiding (campaign) signatures alone does nothing with regard to the other side effects also discussed before, as recent as 3 posts above yours.

Well i dont see any other side effects then. If someone is disturbed by too many ads he can disable it, just with adblock you can disable website ads.

But if you dont, then atleast support the company he is advertising, bitcoin is a small community ,yet, and it doesnt have many means to advertise new stuff.

Since our forum community is big, obviously new services will target forum users, we need to help support them by watching and checking out their ads.

After all you guys want all the way for bitcoin to succeede, so we must do a sacrifice like this for the bitcoin economy Smiley

People like you are the issue...who do not read and just post. It is not the signatures that cause the issues it is the useless posts they generate. This has been stated over and over in this thread.

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July 11, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
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People like you are the issue...who do not read and just post. It is not the signatures that cause the issues it is the useless posts they generate. This has been stated over and over in this thread.

Unfortunately no matter how many times this is repeated it will be followed by some stupid ad-sig poster response that is basically saying "don't take away my income".

(to them their tiny income for creating rubbish posts is worth far more than the forum itself)

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People like you are the issue...who do not read and just post. It is not the signatures that cause the issues it is the useless posts they generate. This has been stated over and over in this thread.

Unfortunately no matter how many times this is repeated it will be followed by some stupid ad-sig poster response that is basically saying "don't take away my income".

(to them their tiny income for creating rubbish posts is worth far more than the forum itself)


Well I myself wear a sig so hard to call others out I suppose, but I am also flat rate and clearly do not spam. I think the campaigns just need to crackdown on the spammers more. The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).


here is also a suggestion -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg11847389#msg11847389

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July 11, 2015, 04:56:06 PM
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The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).

I tried that - and my "report accuracy" rapidly went down from 90+% to 40+% (so the mods seemingly "approve of rubbish").

So I would *not* recommend anyone to do that (unless they want to see their "report accuracy" tank). You might want to check your "report accuracy" after doing that for a while.

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The mods probably don't have the time and/or interest to really look into reports of some posts.

If it were purely spam, they have no problem zapping the posts.. I see posts to a certain website for A2 sales removed pretty quickly, for example.

But some of these posts are pretty difficult to gauge, more of a pattern of type of posts that you can either intuit or quite clearly link to signature campaigns (e.g. as per that graph I posted).  So 'we' see them as rubbish, while a mod might read the post and think "well maybe it doesn't exactly add anything fundamental to the discussion, but it's not pure spam, it appears to be on topic, and who are we to say this person's post isn't meant as a genuine piece?  err on the side of caution -> leave in place"

Instead of reporting to mods, there should be more 'report to campaign manager', and let them deal with it.  If the manager then decides to ignore it - e.g. because their sig's visibility on the forum trounces ideals - report the manager to the mods.  Wouldn't accomplish a whole lot except drive campaign management off-site, though Smiley

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Well I myself wear a sig so hard to call others out I suppose, but I am also flat rate and clearly do not spam. I think the campaigns just need to crackdown on the spammers more. The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).


here is also a suggestion -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg11847389#msg11847389

what kind of post do you deem useless? I've tried to report posts that have very similar content to the previous replies of a thread, posts that was made only to point out a spelling mistakes, etc. but most of them never get deleted.

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Well I myself wear a sig so hard to call others out I suppose, but I am also flat rate and clearly do not spam. I think the campaigns just need to crackdown on the spammers more. The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).


here is also a suggestion -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg11847389#msg11847389

what kind of post do you deem useless? I've tried to report posts that have very similar content to the previous replies of a thread, posts that was made only to point out a spelling mistakes, etc. but most of them never get deleted.

When people "kick the tires" in sales threads with no intentions to buy
When it obvious they just read part of the topic and not the thread and post useless words that do not help the thread
I really do not have a specific thing I look for...spam is obvious most of them time.

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July 11, 2015, 10:35:11 PM
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The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).

I tried that - and my "report accuracy" rapidly went down from 90+% to 40+% (so the mods seemingly "approve of rubbish").

So I would *not* recommend anyone to do that (unless they want to see their "report accuracy" tank). You might want to check your "report accuracy" after doing that for a while.



Without the sig campaign this forum would not have so much visits.
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I browsed the forum from a new machine, and as such wasn't logged in. Normally I have sigs turned off. Wow, I forgot how awful the sigs are. There is no use to having them on. They are a disaster.

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Well I myself wear a sig so hard to call others out I suppose, but I am also flat rate and clearly do not spam. I think the campaigns just need to crackdown on the spammers more. The forum seems fine with the campaigns so lets start reporting people (I have started reporting every useless post I see lately).


here is also a suggestion -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg11847389#msg11847389

what kind of post do you deem useless? I've tried to report posts that have very similar content to the previous replies of a thread, posts that was made only to point out a spelling mistakes, etc. but most of them never get deleted.

When people "kick the tires" in sales threads with no intentions to buy
When it obvious they just read part of the topic and not the thread and post useless words that do not help the thread
I really do not have a specific thing I look for...spam is obvious most of them time.

This is what the mods dont get, once it is "on-topic" it isnt spam which is garbage



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July 12, 2015, 04:54:48 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley
You might be; or at the very least you didn't bother to read this thread.  That checkbox has been pointed out several times, the reasons why people may not want to use that checkbox have also been discussed, and hiding (campaign) signatures alone does nothing with regard to the other side effects also discussed before, as recent as 3 posts above yours.

Well i dont see any other side effects then. If someone is disturbed by too many ads he can disable it, just with adblock you can disable website ads.

But if you dont, then atleast support the company he is advertising, bitcoin is a small community ,yet, and it doesnt have many means to advertise new stuff.

Since our forum community is big, obviously new services will target forum users, we need to help support them by watching and checking out their ads.

After all you guys want all the way for bitcoin to succeede, so we must do a sacrifice like this for the bitcoin economy Smiley

Dices, scams and ponzis make up most of the advertising /spam

I don't care if they all fail, I hope they do actually now u think about it..


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July 12, 2015, 04:56:33 PM
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Without the sig campaign this forum would not have so much visits.

Visits by who - other ad-sig posters that add more rubbish?

Seriously - no-one is visiting bitcointalk.org to read the posts anymore (that finished a long time ago).

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July 13, 2015, 07:58:26 AM
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Oh - btw - I will be announcing a P2P Forum soon that won't have signatures and will have an "ignore" system that actually works properly (rather than you seeing a topic updated by an ignored user and seeing "this poster is currently being ignored" posts). Having a "proper ignore system" will also mean there is no need for moderators (and there will be none).

Well I'm actually glad someone has put their money where their mouth is and actually took steps to create a decentralised forum. I've lost count of how many times people have said one should be made in the spirit of Bitcoin or that they were going to create their own and nothing ever happened. It's never as easy as they imagine though but good luck.


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Oh - btw - I will be announcing a P2P Forum soon that won't have signatures and will have an "ignore" system that actually works properly (rather than you seeing a topic updated by an ignored user and seeing "this poster is currently being ignored" posts). Having a "proper ignore system" will also mean there is no need for moderators (and there will be none).


Cool i will join, be good to have a few more options, the problem will be getting the forum going and remaining active. Bitcointalk has years of google ranking history.
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Cool i will join, be good to have a few more options, the problem will be getting the forum going and remaining active. Bitcointalk has years of google ranking history.

Great - and for sure it won't be so easy to get noticed as the design is purposefully "search unfriendly" (i.e. search engines can't index the content even if the application server is hosted publicly) so about the only way people are going to find out about it will be "word of mouth".

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Seriously - no-one is visiting bitcointalk.org to read the posts anymore (that finished a long time ago).

I do!


I do as well.

But CIYAM doesn't literally mean what he said.

His counterfactual utterance is a performative which expresses his epic butthurt about people still visititing BCT to read the posts.

It's hilarious he would use his coding skills to design yet another forum (a task for which he is vastly overqualified) mainly for the sake of appeasing his deep but unsatiated need to completely ignore others.

Unfortunately it is obvious that no improvement is going to be made and that the new forum won't even be worth joining (I am not going to bother).

Personally I think it should just be left to the ad-sig posters to keep posting their rubbish posts to one another until finally the ad sponsors realise that no-one who has any funds to actually buy or invest in anything is left (then the entire forum will simply be abandoned as a forum whose entire purpose is "making money from everyone else in the forum" is actually rather boring for those who actually care about something other than money and for those that don't I would think it would be more entertaining to use casinos where you can just click one button to "play" rather than waste time "typing").

Oh - btw - I will be announcing a P2P Forum soon that won't have signatures and will have an "ignore" system that actually works properly (rather than you seeing a topic updated by an ignored user and seeing "this poster is currently being ignored" posts). Having a "proper ignore system" will also mean there is no need for moderators (and there will be none).



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Interesting that you have suddenly become some sort of "qualified psychotherapist" (or are you not really qualified but just think you are?).

My interests are in getting rid of centralisation (that includes this forum) rather than whatever Freudian stuff you might think to be the reason.

Being "popular" is not of concern - if my P2P forum isn't used that actually won't bother me as my goal is simply to create the technology (maybe someone else will work out how to make it "popular" - as it will be open source they will be able to clone it to do so).

Also the "forum software" was built back in late 2012 (it has been used in http://ciyam.org/open since then) so it isn't anything "new" (it is simply going to be adapted to work over the CIYAM Blockchain system).

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Interesting that you have suddenly become some sort of "qualified psychotherapist" (or are you not really qualified but just think you are?).

My interests are in getting rid of centralisation (that includes this forum) rather than whatever Freudian stuff you might think might to be the reason.

Being "popular" is not of concern - if my P2P forum isn't used that actually won't bother me as my goal is simply to create the technology (maybe someone else will work out how to make it "popular" - as it will be open source they will be able to clone it to do so).

"Qualified psychotherapist" is an oxymoron, because psychotherapy is a pseudoscience for which there can be no qualifications.

My qualifications are in the fields of rhetoric, critical theory, and cognitive linguistics.  You are the only one here invoking Sigmund Fraud.

When you make an obviously untrue statement like

no-one is visiting bitcointalk.org to read the posts anymore

I am qualified to explain (by close reading) what you actually meant by such a bizarre assertion.


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When you make an obviously untrue statement like

no-one is visiting bitcointalk.org to read the posts anymore

Why is that "obviously untrue"?

If you read most of the "ad-sig" replies to most posts they clearly show "a lack of any reading of the posts".

Perhaps I have "exaggerated" in saying "no-one" but I would not be wrong in saying that "the majority of posters" (which I think you'd have to agree *are ad-sig posters*).

So why not just correct my "no-one" to say "most people" rather than post stuff about being "butt-hurt" (my butt is feeling fine by the way - but thanks for your interest in it).

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July 14, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
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When you make an obviously untrue statement like

no-one is visiting bitcointalk.org to read the posts anymore

Why is that "obviously untrue"?

If you read most of the "ad-sig" replies to most posts they clearly show "a lack of any reading of the posts".

Perhaps I have "exaggerated" in saying "no-one" but I would not be wrong in saying that "the majority of posters" (which I think you'd have to agree *are ad-sig posters*).

So why not just correct my "no-one" to say "most people" rather than post stuff about being "butt-hurt" (my butt is feeling fine by the way - but thanks for your interest in it).


It is obviously untrue and is an opinion made with much bias. You yourself are still here and you must be reading peoples' posts because you regularly reply to them and even get involved with intelligent discussions with people with sig ads as do many others. I honestly understand people like yours and dannyhamilton's frustrations because signatures certainly are a problem when they're left to run wild by people who care little about quality control and they often do devalue the content of posts, but I also believe there are ways to coexist and manage them properly and they should be tried first. I also think people are going to be very wrong if they they think banning signatures is going to make discussions here suddenly go back to how they likely were in the early days but time will only tell on that front.

I genuinely hope you do complete your forum and I would certainly check it out, but I'm not sure how well it will work but I'm very interested to see if it will and how it does. If it's far superior to this one then I'm sure it will catch on. Again, good luck with it.   

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