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March 25, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
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But I just want to ask something, most of the campaigns banned off-topic section and don't pay you for posts written there. Yet, people are posting there as before (with signatures) and spam is real.

Why?

1) Because some people are idiots
2) To increase their post count

You probably have no idea how much I've learned from this forum in 2010-2012 because this place was a lot different back then. I spent a year lurking before registering because I felt that I couldn't post anything worthwhile compared to the other posters.

Today I when I read the forums chances are that I learn absolutely nothing because all I see are these garbage posts. 1-2 year old members (sophomores) with sig ads talking out of their ass like they were experts but making factually incorrect posts. Give me a break!
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March 25, 2015, 11:23:02 AM
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Yes, I believe signatures lower the productive posts in this forum.
It's simple, advertisers just need to cut down on people who milk their campaigns.
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March 25, 2015, 11:30:11 AM
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But I just want to ask something, most of the campaigns banned off-topic section and don't pay you for posts written there. Yet, people are posting there as before (with signatures) and spam is real.

Why?

1) Because some people are idiots
2) To increase their post count

You probably have no idea how much I've learned from this forum in 2010-2012 because this place was a lot different back then. I spent a year lurking before registering because I felt that I couldn't post anything worthwhile compared to the other posters.

Today I when I read the forums chances are that I learn absolutely nothing because all I see are these garbage posts. 1-2 year old members (sophomores) with sig ads talking out of their ass like they were experts but making factually incorrect posts. Give me a break!

You are an early adopter like me (but I didn't sell all my bitcoins in the old bubble ~1200 dollars). So I post here and wearing a sig ad but this doesn't mean I am trying to increase my post count , because this is a forum and everyone should have the right to post (only constructive phrases & concept).


If you want to learn something, open a thread and put some rules in the OP (the staff should enforce it) like :

*people with signature ad can't post here,
*etc...
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March 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
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You probably have no idea how much I've learned from this forum in 2010-2012 because this place was a lot different back then. I spent a year lurking before registering because I felt that I couldn't post anything worthwhile compared to the other posters.
Today I when I read the forums chances are that I learn absolutely nothing because all I see are these garbage posts. 1-2 year old members (sophomores) with sig ads talking out of their ass like they were experts but making factually incorrect posts. Give me a break!

You'd like people who are dumber than you to keep their mouths shut? Good luck and keep dreaming! Tongue That's the beauty of the internet, everyone has something to say and it's up to you to go through it all and select the stuff that matters.

This thing you find annoying does not come only from sig campaigns but the growing popularity of Bitcoin. In 2010 the forum was probably full of programmers interested in exploring the code and technical possibilities, now it has more trolls, traders, scammers, their victims, altcoin pumpers, and of course people who came here just to earn a few bucks.


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March 25, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
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You probably have no idea how much I've learned from this forum in 2010-2012 because this place was a lot different back then. I spent a year lurking before registering because I felt that I couldn't post anything worthwhile compared to the other posters.
Today I when I read the forums chances are that I learn absolutely nothing because all I see are these garbage posts. 1-2 year old members (sophomores) with sig ads talking out of their ass like they were experts but making factually incorrect posts. Give me a break!

You'd like people who are dumber than you to keep their mouths shut? Good luck and keep dreaming! Tongue That's the beauty of the internet, everyone has something to say and it's up to you to go through it all and select the stuff that matters.


It's hard to see how what you're describing is beautiful.  Nevertheless, I guess we can cede the point the the internet is full of shite and finding the good in all of that shite is a sort of modern day fact of life.

I thought the point about off-topic, made above, was relevant. Most of the campaigns don't pay for posts there, but that certainly hasn't slowed the flow of nonsense.  The counter point, that those posts are fore increasing rank, is also interesting, I think.  Perhaps the forum rank scheme could be reconfigured not to count posts in off-topic for the purposes of rank.

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March 25, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
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It means that admin and mods think signature campaign is reasonable.

It can help btc business going on in this forum, why ban it?

So because you have an ad sig it is reasonable?

This is about 99% of the problem actually (there is no-one without an ad sig that isn't a newbie sock-puppet that supports your point of view).

Please find 10 Legendary Members that support ad sigs if you want to refute this.

@tspacepilot - forum rank is not the reason they post crap - they post crap because they are "paid to do so" (this is also why they love "arguing about it").

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March 26, 2015, 12:20:09 AM
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@tspacepilot - forum rank is not the reason they post crap - they post crap because they are "paid to do so" (this is also why they love "arguing about it").

BCT won't get rid of signatures because they are incentivized to leave them due to the added traffic they create.

I suppose there is another option available besides simply moving to another forum:

- Ostracize and Boycott any business that choose to create a signature campaign or more specifically has a signature campaign that has a minimum post count or pays out based upon posts.

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March 26, 2015, 02:18:41 AM
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@tspacepilot - forum rank is not the reason they post crap - they post crap because they are "paid to do so" (this is also why they love "arguing about it").

BCT won't get rid of signatures because they are incentivized to leave them due to the added traffic they create.

I suppose there is another option available besides simply moving to another forum:

- Ostracize and Boycott any business that choose to create a signature campaign or more specifically has a signature campaign that has a minimum post count or pays out based upon posts.

Another option is to have a signature like mine.

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March 26, 2015, 03:08:06 AM
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Please find 10 Legendary Members that support ad sigs if you want to refute this.
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Personally, I'd be happy if they just got rid of signature space entirely.  I'd also be willing to accept a monthly fee required to activate signature space (as long as the fee was large enough to make it unprofitable to participate in a signature campaign).

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March 26, 2015, 03:24:17 AM
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It means that admin and mods think signature campaign is reasonable.

It can help btc business going on in this forum, why ban it?

So because you have an ad sig it is reasonable?

This is about 99% of the problem actually (there is no-one without an ad sig that isn't a newbie sock-puppet that supports your point of view).
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Considering that people are paid to wear a signature advertisement, basic economics will tell you that you are going to find very few people without a paid signature that does not support paid signatures. If someone has no issues with paid signatures, then there is no reason why they would not take advantage of the opportunity to get paid to 'wear' a particular signature. From what I have seen, even people who have made quite a lot of money from bitcoin (and appear to still have such money) (e.g. people who do not need the money) participate in signature campaigns.

You are essentially asking to find someone who would not accept money despite them finding it ethical for them to receive it for what they are providing.

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March 26, 2015, 04:04:25 AM
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You are essentially asking to find someone who would not accept money despite them finding it ethical for them to receive it for what they are providing.

What if there are people who don't find it ethical?

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March 26, 2015, 04:20:22 AM
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You are essentially asking to find someone who would not accept money despite them finding it ethical for them to receive it for what they are providing.

What if there are people who don't find it ethical?
Then they would obviously be against paid signatures and would not be wearing one.

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March 26, 2015, 04:41:33 AM
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Please find 10 Legendary Members that support ad sigs if you want to refute this.

Wow, are you really going to bring it up?
Let's wait a couple months until our current heroes reach legendary level and I'll find three times more.

Since all of you Legendaries had to register in 2012 or before, you had your opportunity to get cheap coins. I on the other hand haven't even heard the word Bitcoin in 2012, does that make me worse and not worthy of having a voice here? To me all forum members, regardless of their forum status are important, as long as they have something to add to the conversation.
If I had a chance to own Bitcoin in 2012 or early 2013 I wouldn't even bother with something as trivial as a sig campaign, so it's easy for you to preach from your high tower.

I'm sure you would find some legendaries with signatures if you wanted. I found 2 in the same thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71158
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29959


Another option is to have a signature like mine.

Just bitmixer and bit-x? You're missing a few. Wink

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March 26, 2015, 05:38:18 AM
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In the meantime you can disable signatures in your profile under 'look and layout preferences' > 'Don't show users' signatures.' BTW this option is probably going to be used to justify keeping signatures around. "Why you can disable it if you don't like it" they will say.

Thanks for the reminder. I've never seen a sig worth reading. I've turned all sigs off.

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March 26, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
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It means that admin and mods think signature campaign is reasonable.

It can help btc business going on in this forum, why ban it?

So because you have an ad sig it is reasonable?

I think this is really unhelpful.  I'm not saying that fox19891989's comment was so thoughtful and inspiring, but if you're going to say this to anyone who has a sig ad, that pretty much makes you impossible to talk to.  Sorry.

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@tspacepilot - forum rank is not the reason they post crap - they post crap because they are "paid to do so" (this is also why they love "arguing about it").


But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  Someone else retorted that they post in off topic to bump their rank so that they can join a campaign (nowadays, very new accounts can't get paid for sig ads).  Thus I suggested that perhaps disabling the ability to get activity points from off-topic could help.  I'm sory to repeat but from your reply, it seems like you missed the context of my remark.

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March 26, 2015, 01:50:31 PM
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But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  

I never said a single thing about the "off topic" board (who cares what gets posted there?).

This is the typical sort of response you see from an ad sig poster which is to avoid answering any direct questions and then try to change the topic (mostly because they are so afraid of losing their income from making useless posts I guess).

Then of course they always remind us "you can switch of the display of sigs" despite the fact it has been stated at least a dozen times "that does not stop the crap being posted".

There is simply no point in trying to actually ever have a rational discussion about this as their are far more ad sig posters (who have many sockies no doubt) compared to non-ad sig posters.

So don't worry - I'll be unwatching this topic shortly and the mods themselves mostly have ad sigs also (so they are your friends - I already gave up reporting pointless posts from ad sig posters as the mods decided to simply lower my report rating by disagreeing that pointless stupid posts are correct to report as such).

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March 26, 2015, 01:51:44 PM
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@tspacepilot - forum rank is not the reason they post crap - they post crap because they are "paid to do so" (this is also why they love "arguing about it").


But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  Someone else retorted that they post in off topic to bump their rank so that they can join a campaign (nowadays, very new accounts can't get paid for sig ads).  Thus I suggested that perhaps disabling the ability to get activity points from off-topic could help.  I'm sory to repeat but from your reply, it seems like you missed the context of my remark.


Not really crap I would say, the crap spam will depends on each individual as well , you an justify all of it to be a crap post, and not really arguing, just stating opinions which I know doesnt violate any rules on this forum, and also off topic or not, I agree most of the campaigner post low quality post all over the boards, this actually can be reduce if the manager strict enough to not paid for the post , this will discourage them to join the campaign as they spent some time to post " crap " and doesnt get paid in the end
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March 26, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
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But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  

I never said a single thing about the "off topic" board (who cares what gets posted there?).


But that is exactly the context of my remark, which you were responding to ("@tspacepilot").  If you're not interested in replying in context, isn't that just the kind of shit posts you're railing against?

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This is the typical sort of response you see from an ad sig poster which is to avoid answering any direct questions and then try to change the topic (mostly because they are so afraid of losing their income from making useless posts I guess).

Then of course they always remind us "you can switch of the display of sigs" despite the fact it has been stated at least a dozen times "that does not stop the crap being posted".

There is simply no point in trying to actually ever have a rational discussion about this as their are far more ad sig posters (who have many sockies no doubt) compared to non-ad sig posters.

So don't worry - I'll be unwatching this topic shortly and the mods themselves mostly have ad sigs also (so they are your friends - I already gave up reporting pointless posts from ad sig posters as the mods decided to simply lower my report rating by disagreeing that pointless stupid posts are correct to report as such).


I guess by "this" you mean my post?  If all you can come up with are ad hominem attacks on everyone who has a sig ad (and you're not interested in reading the context of what they are saying) then I thing you're not so much having a discussion as much as engaging in a rant because of your frustration.  If that's the case, it's probably best if you do move along because it's hard to see how rants are helpful for anyone.

I apologize if I'm misunderstanding here, but it really seems like your only replies are "this sux" to anyone who has a sig ad.

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But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  

I never said a single thing about the "off topic" board (who cares what gets posted there?).

This is the typical sort of response you see from an ad sig poster which is to avoid answering any direct questions and then try to change the topic (mostly because they are so afraid of losing their income from making useless posts I guess).

Then of course they always remind us "you can switch of the display of sigs" despite the fact it has been stated at least a dozen times "that does not stop the crap being posted".

There is simply no point in trying to actually ever have a rational discussion about this as their are far more ad sig posters (who have many sockies no doubt) compared to non-ad sig posters.

So don't worry - I'll be unwatching this topic shortly and the mods themselves mostly have ad sigs also (so they are your friends - I already gave up reporting pointless posts from ad sig posters as the mods decided to simply lower my report rating by disagreeing that pointless stupid posts are correct to report as such).

I have no idea why are you so are very angry about this matter. So believe that ONLY people without ad signatures are posting 'high quality posts' that statement is so logically wrong that I feel comment is not needed here. I feel that you are the one and only person here who have right to judge everyone else, and in your book if someone is wearing sig ad - well, he is certainly idiot posting only for money and spouting nonsense everywhere. Many signature campaigns have now high standards and only people with certain amount of "posting skill' can participate. DaDice's campaign is a great example of good signature campaign, managed by people who read posts of participants and judge their quality - so people are not posting any idiotic posts because there is no point if you want to get paid. I feel that you haven't seen any big internet forums out there - go check reddit's cryptocurrency section (it is huge!) and see if there are only high quality posts done by people with great knowledge - and guess what? They have no signature ads there...


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March 26, 2015, 02:54:38 PM
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But we were talking about he fact that (for the most part) they don't get paid to post in off-topic.  Yet off-topic is a continual wall of nonsense.  

I never said a single thing about the "off topic" board (who cares what gets posted there?).

This is the typical sort of response you see from an ad sig poster which is to avoid answering any direct questions and then try to change the topic (mostly because they are so afraid of losing their income from making useless posts I guess).

Then of course they always remind us "you can switch of the display of sigs" despite the fact it has been stated at least a dozen times "that does not stop the crap being posted".

There is simply no point in trying to actually ever have a rational discussion about this as their are far more ad sig posters (who have many sockies no doubt) compared to non-ad sig posters.

So don't worry - I'll be unwatching this topic shortly and the mods themselves mostly have ad sigs also (so they are your friends - I already gave up reporting pointless posts from ad sig posters as the mods decided to simply lower my report rating by disagreeing that pointless stupid posts are correct to report as such).

I have no idea why are you so are very angry about this matter. So believe that ONLY people without ad signatures are posting 'high quality posts' that statement is so logically wrong that I feel comment is not needed here. I feel that you are the one and only person here who have right to judge everyone else, and in your book if someone is wearing sig ad - well, he is certainly idiot posting only for money and spouting nonsense everywhere. Many signature campaigns have now high standards and only people with certain amount of "posting skill' can participate. DaDice's campaign is a great example of good signature campaign, managing by people who read posts of participants and judge their quality - so people are not posting any idiotic posts there because there is no point if you want to get paid. I feel that you haven't seen any big internet forums out there - go check reddit's cryptocurrency section (it is huge!) and see if there are only high quality posts done by people with high knowledge - and guess what? They have no signature ads there...



I think because CIYAM thought that forum is only for the computer scientist and programmer, open your eyes : this is a forum for all the people want to know about bitcoin and I think you know that it is impossible that something it is perfect at 100% , isn't it?
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