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July 20, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
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oki, so it seems, that the Useless user called Amph will never ever come back again or reply...he did his useless post, post is counted, so why he should even bother himself..?
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I don't want to "defend" him but if the admin have not banned him then I think there is a reason behind that choice, or am I wrong?

Amph does make qualitative posts but at the same time he spams. Mods may gave a warning to Amph or maybe they are in doubt whether to ban him or not.

It really doesn't matter as you cannot blame the end users when a forums incentive structure supports such behavior. It is the environment that allows for paid signatures to exist that supports spamming. This issue isn't going away until that incentive is removed.
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July 20, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
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I genuinely hope you do complete your forum and I would certainly check it out, but I'm not sure how well it will work but I'm very interested to see if it will and how it does. If it's far superior to this one then I'm sure it will catch on. Again, good luck with it.  

I agree that you are probably right that getting rid of ad-sigs won't bring this forum back to what it was like in 2011/2012. A lot of people that used to contribute a lot of interesting stuff have left between 2013 and 2014 (whether they left due to the poorer quality content is hard to say).


The good people that left in 2013 and 2014 had to have gone somewhere, right? All of them didn't just decide to not participate in bitcoin-related conversation online. So where do you think they went - Reddit? Or maybe the really stayed and their contributions are being drowned out by the increased volume and noise?

Good luck with your forum, hopefully it serves the right purpose for you and others.

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July 21, 2015, 05:29:33 AM
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you know that numbers of posts != spam right?
what if someone can "spam" constructive post all day?

uhh what, did you even read what are you posting here?

funny comparison:

ChartBuddy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=110685)  - Automated posting Bot  - created 2013-05-03 - posts: 16174

Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) - the Useless user - created 2013-04-13 - posts: 15743

Was just catching up on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126245.msg11902928;topicseen#new and see my answer being repeated by sigspam shitposters. Sure nuff, it's that user.
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July 21, 2015, 10:27:36 AM
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you know that numbers of posts != spam right?
what if someone can "spam" constructive post all day?

uhh what, did you even read what are you posting here?

funny comparison:

ChartBuddy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=110685)  - Automated posting Bot  - created 2013-05-03 - posts: 16174

Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) - the Useless user - created 2013-04-13 - posts: 15743

Was just catching up on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126245.msg11902928;topicseen#new and see my answer being repeated by sigspam shitposters. Sure nuff, it's that user.

no you're wrong i didn't even check your post, i directly answered the OP, i know that ssd can sync faster because i actually have the 850 pro and i sync in less than an hour the whole blockchain

i even said this multiple times in another threads, so at worst i've copyed my old post and not your

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August 05, 2015, 04:41:53 PM
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well i think that's how the world works
there are just some greedy people out there who wants to earn bitcoin
so much that's why they spam using signature campaign
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August 06, 2015, 01:05:44 AM
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Seriously who cares about the signatures anyway, let anybody do what they want with their signatures.

I don't like the authoritarian view of just disabling it because 1 person doesn't like it. People need to be more tolerant between eachother, otherwise this forum can fall into tyrrany lol  Cheesy

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September 06, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
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Reducing signatures to simple text without size and color tags seems to be long overdue. I agree with the negative effects pointed out in the OP but I think simple signatures, even if they're ads, can still have a place here. Just make them less like attention grabbing banner ads and hopefully their value as adspace will go down, with the result of less low-quality postcount++.
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September 06, 2015, 03:13:32 PM
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The good people that left in 2013 and 2014 had to have gone somewhere, right? All of them didn't just decide to not participate in bitcoin-related conversation online. So where do you think they went - Reddit? Or maybe the really stayed and their contributions are being drowned out by the increased volume and noise?

As I basically don't really bother with other forums (this one was really the first that I've ever spent much effort on) I can't really answer that but for sure I do not see regular posts from many that used to contribute regularly previously (so they are not just being drowned out but are no longer posting much if at all).

Good luck with your forum, hopefully it serves the right purpose for you and others.

We'll see - and progress is going well - initially it is probably just going to start out as a decentralised Blog platform for crypto projects to use (and I've already had some interest in it from a couple of major projects).

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September 18, 2015, 04:30:29 AM
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I know it will look like I'm defending signatures because I'm wearing one but that's not the case, I couldn't care less if there weren't any paid sigs anymore. It is true that a lot of posts feel forced but I think it's rather obtuse of you to not want to see past that. That's like saying only people that have something to pass down should have children, it is snobbish and downright stupid. Good posts are there same as they've always been, so what if there is more small talk?
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October 06, 2015, 12:55:03 AM
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i agree that it is cause a lot of useless spam but i still like to see such active forum as compare to others. I was invovled in an active forum previously and it was ranked top 5 in my country. However, somehow it just didnt stay that way and now it is basically dead with top post like 10 per 3 days(beside the regular moderator/contributor). There is basically no respond when you post anything. So i feel that the signature is a good way to keep this forum alive.


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October 06, 2015, 12:59:33 AM
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how would u find my blog if there was no signature here? Smiley

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October 06, 2015, 11:33:16 AM
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'Signature spammers' are a problem. Stupid, short, not thought out posts are a problem. There is nothing wrong with people typing out constructive posts though. Who cares if they're wearing a signature as long as their posts are constructive & on topic in the relevent thread?

This forum would likely be dead without signature campaigns, the bitcoin price has been about as active as an 85 year olds sex life for a while now so the forum has become quieter.

Signature campaigns keep this place lively.

I totally agree about signature spammers being annoying & they should be banned but most good signature campaign managers kick those people off their campaigns any way.




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October 06, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765.msg12607907#msg12607907

Look how much some of these guys depend on the campaigns. There are so many people that must use them as their primary source of income  Huh

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October 06, 2015, 07:43:41 PM
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This forum would likely be dead without signature campaigns, the bitcoin price has been about as active as an 85 year olds sex life for a while now so the forum has become quieter.


If the forum would be dead without signature campaigns lets just let it die. What non-signature campaigner would want to participate in a forum that only exists because of idiots posting nonsensical garbage to other idiots to up their post count? What does this say about the usefulness of advertising on the forum in the first place, given the forum would be dead without ad-campaign spammers?
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October 06, 2015, 09:35:13 PM
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how would u find my blog if there was no signature here? Smiley
By going from this: http://i.imgur.com/py58ywm.png
to this, maybe: http://i.imgur.com/0kg4rC2.png
( I can't see your signature, had to pop it open in an incognito window.  My variant of the blocker script happily assigns a high score to my own signature, for that matter Smiley )

But honestly the complaint is mostly the nature of signatures since ad campaigns, and not really signatures in general; but if signature campaigns aren't really policed (should it get even worse), then removing signatures in general would be the idea.

Seems unlikely to happen, so blocker script it is; doesn't take care of nonsense posts, but at least removes some of the eyesores.

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October 09, 2015, 07:40:15 PM
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signature campaign managers kick those people off their campaigns any way.

signature managers don't care, especially guy from bit-x. reason is simple, even stupid non-sense post brings link to website in same way as constructive one + he can't manage it, if dozens or maybe even hundreds of guys are in..
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October 09, 2015, 07:54:56 PM
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signature managers don't care, especially guy from bit-x. reason is simple, even stupid non-sense post brings link to website in same way as constructive one + he can't manage it, if dozens or maybe even hundreds of guys are in..
Most campaign managers do not care at all, this is correct. We can not generalize in this case either and there are exceptions. I know one. The problem is actually quite complex and at the moment there is no efficient solution to it.


We're looking into options. Banning campaigns should be the last option since it would harm the good people.

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October 10, 2015, 01:32:11 AM
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An user of the italian section (Anon39) suggested to prohibit campaign that pay for post, and allowing only campaigns that pay a fixed value every month.
I'm not sure if this is the solution, but it can be a good improvement.
It must be also forbidden to compel the user to write a minimum of posts.

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October 10, 2015, 01:48:01 AM
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FWIW, I run with signatures disabled. It adds too much visual noise to threads.

I would not shed a tear seeing signatures being completely removed, and abolishing pay-per-post / sig campaigns.

I feel it cheapens the place.
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