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[wolfen]

140th from me, real bitmain hardware in a tier 4 datacenter. 24/7 , no pool hopping. No rentals.

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[d57heinz]

Well...your question itself is the reason I don't rent hash. There's no BTCPD gonna look out for us. Our security is our own responsibility. That said, I'm sure the renters are, on the whole, honest...but I don't see much of a way to independently (as a user) verify that, and so my basically paranoid personality tends to rely on my own gear, and on a pool that essentially has the Bernie Sanders outlook...keep it honest, keep it efficient, and keep on truckin'...  

Specifically, the hypothesis is that dishonest miners are contributing hashes but stealing blocks from various pools.  If pools don't have a way of detecting such behavior, then what you would see is some longer-established pools starting to see consistent lower luck.  New small pools such as kano would see relatively higher luck until the dishonest miners start infiltrating them as well.  In other words, the anecdotal data on "luck" of different pools is consistent with there being dishonest miners out there.

So what is or can be done to detect and/or block such miners?  Certainly over time you can run statistical tests that would identify miners with below-average luck.  At some point that becomes statistically significant, but a smart dishonest player could keep changing accounts to make this hard to detect.

Or more realtime tricks could be done by the pool to detect and kill bad players up front.

now where's the script for that ?    I'd have to go mine over at antpool or f2pool with that though huehuehue

I thought i read somewhere that there was a proposal and it went something like this.. The pool operator is able to send your miner a "fake" share that would result in the miner returning a valid block to that fake share. then you could tell if the miners are witholding blocks.. Let me do some digging and ill come up with the article..

Best regards
d57heinz

Not possible to do reliably. Don't bother digging it up again. There's no safe way to trust rentals is the final conclusion.

Right on.. Sorry i bothered

Edit .. im sure i know why you dont like the rentals. and its not block withholding..    People are gaining the system with all this good luck.. pay ..0045 and get back double in return.. But that just takes from us loyal miners. Let me know if im wrong

[-ck]

Right on.. Sorry i bothered

Edit .. im sure i know why you dont like the rentals. and its not block withholding..    People are gaining the system with all this good luck.. pay ..0045 and get back double in return.. But that just takes from us loyal miners. Let me know if im wrong

You can't tell if and when a rental decides to block withhold and the rentals themselves still get the same profit regardless of whether they hold or submit blocks. That they haven't so far is a good sign, so I'd run with rentals that have a reputation, but there's nothing stopping them doing it at any time in the future. If it weren't for rentals, solo wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is - I'm just saying there is a huge element of trust involved and renters should be aware of that.

[e46btc]

Now I have to study the software to make sure it's not set up to send the previous owner my shares. Frick.

You will not learn anything as at least you don't have software running at rental site and will never get it.
And about your rigs - just upgrade this to factory firmware.

[-ck]

And about your rigs - just upgrade this to factory firmware.

Will do. I'll make sure to download a fresh copy thanks.

Edit- Regarding the software at the rental sites- If there was a way for individual miners to withhold blocks I'm sure it would have come to light by now. The software is readily available for scrutiny, is it not?

You can't see the software running at the miner, nor do the rental sites show you their software. Where did you get the idea they put themselves up for scrutiny?

Do you not believe me when I say there is a way to do it? Given they're all using my software in various forms, I think it's fair to say I'm qualified to say it's possible. I didn't say it was likely, just that it's possible.

[ZACHM]

ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com update:

Several people requested it and I think I have it all working now, if not, things will go bad and the internet might melt.  

Go into your Account Settings and at the bottom there should be options for each of your Workers.

Let me know if you have any problems.

[suchmoon]

If a rig owner wants to use these sites they have to use that sites version of your software. That's what I meant by being "available for scrutiny"

That's not true.

[kano]

If a rig owner wants to use these sites they have to use that sites version of your software. That's what I meant by being "available for scrutiny"

I have very limited software/programming experience, but I am currently enrolled in courses. I look forward to breaking down and understanding the workings of cgminer. Thanks for making it so easy to use.

There are 2 pieces of software.

1) The one running on the miner
2) The proxy site that the miner connects through

1
You don't have to run their hacked security risk software that hides where your shares are going and allows them to redirect your miner to anything, any where, any time without even a log of it happening.
You could run master cgminer, or even your own cgminer hacked to not submit.

2
Their site software is not public
... and they don't even care if anyone withholds blocks coz they get paid no matter what happens.
It's the exact same risk concept as running a PPS pool - that really no one in their right mind should do.
The difference is that the risk is passed to the person paying to rent the miners and the pool they are mining at
Not-so-nice-hash and the person with the miner lose nothing if the miner withholds blocks.

A whole thread on the subject:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002086.0

And my recent comment to not-so-nice-hash about it - completely ignored coz they get paid no matter what - why would they care if anyone block withholds?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=562238.msg13533668#msg13533668

[nhando]

ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com update:

Several people requested it and I think I have it all working now, if not, things will go bad and the internet might melt.  

Go into your Account Settings and at the bottom there should be options for each of your Workers.

Let me know if you have any problems.

Does it matter what browser to use?  I'm using Chrome and in setting under individual workers, I only see save button but nothing to edit them.  I also can't see my rewards or hashrate.

username =  nhando1977


P.S Love this summary Chart in the home page!  It clearly showed that on January 10-12, whoever rented hash rate made good money and whoever rented on the 13/14 probably loss a tiny bit of money but if it's over a 3 or 5 days average then it's still profitable.    I did pretty well from the the 11-12.  

Date   Total Payout   Average Hashrate TH/s   Average BTC/TH/s/Day   3 Day Average   5 Day Average   7 Day Average   30 Day Average
2016-01-14   49.55000000   10,912   0.00488621   0.00593600   0.00785489   0.00885854   0.00600156
2016-01-13   50.15728638   9,811   0.00505941   0.00777307   0.00687765   0.00894420   0.00617562
2016-01-12   74.92146475   9,735   0.00786240   0.00977628   0.01041283   0.00822143   0.00600698
2016-01-11   99.51151015   9,739   0.01039742   0.00715548   0.00993752   0.00790855   0.00594311
2016-01-10   99.75424394   9,233   0.01106901   0.01126810   0.00785803   0.00726476   0.00620662
2016-01-09   -   8,705   0   0.00940705   0.00677868   0.00612100   0.00583765

[AriesIV10]

ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com update:

Several people requested it and I think I have it all working now, if not, things will go bad and the internet might melt.  

Go into your Account Settings and at the bottom there should be options for each of your Workers.

Let me know if you have any problems.

Does it matter what browser to use?  I'm using Chrome and in setting under individual workers, I only see save button but nothing to edit them.  I also can't see my rewards or hashrate.

username =  nhando1977


P.S Love this summary Chart in the home page!  It clearly showed that on January 10-12, whoever rented hash rate made good money and whoever rented on the 13/14 probably loss a tiny bit of money but if it's over a 3 or 5 days average then it's still profitable.    I did pretty well from the the 11-12.  

Date   Total Payout   Average Hashrate TH/s   Average BTC/TH/s/Day   3 Day Average   5 Day Average   7 Day Average   30 Day Average
2016-01-14   49.55000000   10,912   0.00488621   0.00593600   0.00785489   0.00885854   0.00600156
2016-01-13   50.15728638   9,811   0.00505941   0.00777307   0.00687765   0.00894420   0.00617562
2016-01-12   74.92146475   9,735   0.00786240   0.00977628   0.01041283   0.00822143   0.00600698
2016-01-11   99.51151015   9,739   0.01039742   0.00715548   0.00993752   0.00790855   0.00594311
2016-01-10   99.75424394   9,233   0.01106901   0.01126810   0.00785803   0.00726476   0.00620662
2016-01-09   -   8,705   0   0.00940705   0.00677868   0.00612100   0.00583765

ZACHM, You are a Genius.  Thank you for helping us out in giving us more detailed information that we can adjust.  Thanks!

[nhando]

Yeah I think Zach and Kano should combine their work into 1 website to give Kano.is the cool factor that Slush have.  I know as a newbie, I really enjoyed the interface Slush had and the eye candy chart and details similar to what Zach made.  I also love Zach's timeline chart that shows all the hashing rate, Pool total Hash, block found info etc.  Very very cool stuff.

[clgrissom3]

ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com update:

Several people requested it and I think I have it all working now, if not, things will go bad and the internet might melt.  

Go into your Account Settings and at the bottom there should be options for each of your Workers.

Let me know if you have any problems.

Thanks Zach!  Just in time for me...I have a small miner that I only power up for testing purposes (and for the nostalgia of seeing the old cmd cgminer interface again).  I was reluctant to put it on Kano.is because I do not run it at night and I didn't want to get the down miner emails whenever I shut it down.  Now I can see if your new addition works!

[coffeeangst]

A whole thread on the subject:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002086.0

And my recent comment to not-so-nice-hash about it - completely ignored coz they get paid no matter what - why would they care if anyone block withholds?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=562238.msg13533668#msg13533668

Thanks all for the comments and references, very interesting.

[ZACHM]

Does it matter what browser to use?  I'm using Chrome and in setting under individual workers, I only see save button but nothing to edit them.  I also can't see my rewards or hashrate.

username =  nhando1977

You don't have your apikey set in your settings.

ZACHM, You are a Genius.  Thank you for helping us out in giving us more detailed information that we can adjust.  Thanks!

Thanks, glad you like it.

Thanks Zach!  Just in time for me...I have a small miner that I only power up for testing purposes (and for the nostalgia of seeing the old cmd cgminer interface again).  I was reluctant to put it on Kano.is because I do not run it at night and I didn't want to get the down miner emails whenever I shut it down.  Now I can see if your new addition works!

Sound like a good way to test it out. Let me know if it works good for you.

[firetreeactual]

Gotta spend some more bucks for inverter/charger and backup bank. The power goes out on our little island fairly regularly; I've got good protection on the circuits (conditioners/isolators/etc.), so I'm not so concerned about damage. It's just that my Internet provider can take 15 min or more to resync the modem, and so I can't start to bring miners on line until maybe 20 min after the power comes back. Power went out an hour ago for 40 min; came back on 20 min ago; just now back up. Argh. Rant over. Gonna hit Costco for some deep-cycle marines, I guess. Hoped to see a new block when I came back, but...well, shuckens...  

Bottom line is seeing how long it takes for my hash rate to normalize on the pool again.

[nhando]

Zach I put in my API key and same results.  That's why I removed it before.  I just re added it and still no changes.  Can you check if I'm doing something else incorrectly?

Nevermind, I think the site takes a 5 mins to populate.  I'm seeing it now!  AWESOME AWESOME TOOL! 

P.S Everything worked, rewards info still isn't showing up yet.  Does that take longer time to propagate? 

[ZACHM]

You need to fill in the rewards manually.

[nhando]

You need to fill in the rewards manually.

Ok thanks.  

P.S Zach your rewards Tab is awesome even though I have to manually input it.  It's very cool!  Does it translate to the BTC price for that specific day regardless of when you manually enter it?  Meaning it's smart enough to pull from a database for historic prices?  Is there a way to export this data or is the best way to just copy and paste to Excel?  Very nice work sir.  I'm going to send a small donation as a token of my appreciation for such a wonderful tool.  I hope many others will follows.  Your tool is awesome.

[OneInchWonder]

Come out from hiding block. We want to get you.

[dangerdawg]

We're not going to hurt you block.  Come on.  Come on boy!  Would you like some nice peta hashes?  Come on.