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[DarKSm0ke]

Block by bobsyouruncle!
Nice juicy one 14.46 BTC! 

[kano]

Block by bobsyouruncle!
Nice juicy one 14.46 BTC! 

... and 2 payouts

[NomadGroup]

Block by bobsyouruncle!
Nice juicy one 14.46 BTC! 

Only nightminers get to see juicy ones like that! Lol  .  Actually almost 4 am where I'm at!  

[NomadGroup]

Block by bobsyouruncle!
Nice juicy one 14.46 BTC! 

... and 2 payouts

Ding Ding from gmail notifier just got 2 thank you! . Now I can go to sleep! 

[icon73]

Yes I do realise the 'retard' did it on purpose and knew it would cause problems for bitcoiners, but in the assumption that BCH would replace BTC.

But that's even worse than doing it by mistake ...

BCH was claimed to have been created to over come the problem of the UASF.
Once that problem was removed, BCH should have disappeared.
Since it didn't disappear, it means that Bitmain and ViaBTC purposely caused problems for Bitcoin, when they could have simply avoided them with a few lines of code change.
Yes I do know it's only a few lines of code change, I've done it before for testing purposes.

So, what's better?
1) Calling him a 'retard' for making a mistake (not the case) or
2) Lynching him up for risking screwing around with everyone's Bitcoin wallet who runs BCH ...

I worded it as 1), but since it really is 2), when and where's the hanging?

I think we should never advocate violence, and I know you were not, you were just joking. Many people, especially those who mine on your pool look to you for the solid explanations of things in the BTC ecosystem.  If you soften your description of a complex situation like this one, then the people who depend on your insights will be unprepared to make good choices.  In November when 2x should be kicking in, all of us will look to you for technical explanations and leadership WRT where we should point our hash, and who we should bring pressure to.  If this was a mistake maybe we go one direction, if it was on purpose maybe we take a different action. 

I know it is a pain in the ass, but you are a leader in our community because of your pool, and because of the time you take to explain how Bitcoin works.  So that puts you in a position of responsibility when the folks look to you for insights.

[clgrissom3]

Block by bobsyouruncle!
Nice juicy one 14.46 BTC! 

Only nightminers get to see juicy ones like that! Lol  .  Actually almost 4 am where I'm at!   

We've had a nice string of 3 14+ blocks in a row

This is our 2nd of BLOCK FRIDAY so let's keep 'em coming!

[mdude77]

No, was actually stale.
I've changed the flagging of it.

On the web it was an immediate orphan coz it was already stale, but any block submitted that isn't worked on is auto-flagged as orphan until I manually check everything then flag it.

I've looked through everything to be sure, but yep it was a stale share.
The share came into the Silicon Valley node at 2017-08-10 20:28:30.533 UTC
But all nodes and the main pool had already switched to the poo block by then.

Kano, do you advertise your pool bitcoin IP addresses so that others can connect to it to help with rapid propagation to reduce the possibility of stales?  I have a full node running in the SW part of the US that I can force connect to your node if it would help. 

M

[fusion0389]

I apologize if this question has been asked before, what is the minimum th\s required to avoid dust? I'm getting a buddy setup with a single Avalon 741 and want to make sure he will be above the threshold before pointing him to this pool.

[kano]

No, was actually stale.
I've changed the flagging of it.

On the web it was an immediate orphan coz it was already stale, but any block submitted that isn't worked on is auto-flagged as orphan until I manually check everything then flag it.

I've looked through everything to be sure, but yep it was a stale share.
The share came into the Silicon Valley node at 2017-08-10 20:28:30.533 UTC
But all nodes and the main pool had already switched to the poo block by then.

Kano, do you advertise your pool bitcoin IP addresses so that others can connect to it to help with rapid propagation to reduce the possibility of stales?  I have a full node running in the SW part of the US that I can force connect to your node if it would help. 

M

Stales having nothing to do with that.
That's orphans, that are a different creature.

A stale is a share that gets to the pool after the block has changed.
Basically it's just a miner that was working away normally, then a block change occurred, then as the work was coming into the miner, but before it switched to it, the miner found a block.
Really it's a non-event and I don't think any other pool would actually tell you about them
In my case, I show any and every attempt at a block on the Blocks page, no matter what it is or when it gets to the pool.

Yeah I really do probably have the best propagation of blocks of any pool on the network
I've nodes near every Fibre Relay node, and some of those nodes no one mines to coz their job is purely to get the blocks to every relay as fast as possible.

[mdude77]

Stales having nothing to do with that.
That's orphans, that are a different creature.

Right, it's been a while, I got my tech mixed up.

Thanks.

M

[kano]

Block! by bobsyouruncle pangborn
Heh another of those fun 'inconclusive' ones - but all looks ok.

Edit: and a payout

[VRobb]

I apologize if this question has been asked before, what is the minimum th\s required to avoid dust? I'm getting a buddy setup with a single Avalon 741 and want to make sure he will be above the threshold before pointing him to this pool.

He'll be above threshold with the Avalon.  Looking at the last block cracked, and doing some quick calculations, I'm getting around 600GHs right at dust, so no problem.  
Although I can say that's close to double when last someone asked!!  

-And way to go pangborn! Money money money!

[kano]

I apologize if this question has been asked before, what is the minimum th\s required to avoid dust? I'm getting a buddy setup with a single Avalon 741 and want to make sure he will be above the threshold before pointing him to this pool.

He'll be above threshold with the Avalon.  Looking at the last block cracked, and doing some quick calculations, I'm getting around 600GHs right at dust, so no problem.  
Although I can say that's close to double when last someone asked!!  

-And way to go pangborn! Money money money!

Yeah, the threshold itself is 10,000 satoshi as it says on the web site, but to convert that to a hash rate (per block) on a pool with 85PHs its:
 85,000THs * 10,000 / blockreward

If we were being like a certain collection of evil pools and mining empty blocks, then blockreward would be 1250000000 satoshi
so 85,000 * 10,000 / 1,250,000,000 = 0.68THs or 680GHs

Or to calculate it simply using Pool P PHs, it's (P / 125) THs

As the pool grows, that dust limit grows, and if the reward is higher, that limit goes down.
e.g. a 10% tx reward would mean the limit is ~10% lower

[firetreeactual]

Hau'oli la hanau, Kano & Nomadgroup (Hawaiian for happy birthday). Many more...  

...and a single 741 should be OK. I'm averaging .006/block reward right now at 37.5 TH; extrapolating to 7.5 nominal for the 741 (mine average that with no problem), you should see around .0012/block given current pool profile.

[overcon]

My new miner is a WORLD TRAVELER! Heck the things been to places I never have. Please arrive Monday so I can bump my rewards up a bit, hopefully back to when I started or close to it.

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[bronder]

hola alguien habla español por este foro, soy nuevo en la mineria aproximadamente 2 meses, minaba en otra pool pero he visto disminuir drasticamente las ganacias, por lo que buscando informacion sobre otras pool encontre sobre KANO.IS, me llama la atencion pero no entiendo muy bien sobre la configuracion y cuando y como se hace el pago, donde se setea la direccion bitcoin para el pago de lo acumulado, normalmente dejo acumular las ganancias en la cartera de la pool y una vez al mes lo enviaba a mi cartera bitcoin, en KANO no entiendo bien el proceso, tengo en estos momentos 23 ths me gustaria saber cuanto produciria en kano al dia, ya que hace unos dias me generaba 0.0084btc al dia y depronto bajo a 0.006, muchas gracias por su ayuda de antemano y me gustaria unirme a su pool

I'll translate for him. I speak spanish natively. I'll ask him to message me directly so we can avoid cluttering the board with spanish messages.

Hola, yo hablo español. Que bueno que te uniste a Kano.is. Es la mejor pool que hay para bitcoin. Aunque aca las condiciones son un poco diferentes de las otras pools y debes entender estas diferencias.  Si dices que antes te generaba 0.0084 btc/dia y ahora solo 0.006 debes recordar que cada dos semanas la red de btc cambia la dificultad, y esta ha ido en aumento asi que en parte es normal que cada ves se reduzcan los pagos en BTC. lo bueno es que el btc esta aumentando de valor frente al dolar asi que menos btc tienen mayor valor y eso compensa en cierta parte el aumento de la dificultad, como el oro cuando se hace mas dificil de minar se vuelve más caro.

Aca tienes que configurar tu direccion de pago inmediatamente ya que lo que no se paga se acumula hasta que el manager de la pool, Kano, haga la programación para pagar eso que se acumule. Los pagos se hacen sobre cada bloque resuelto. Debido a que el pago aca es PPLNS hay cierta variabilidad de los pagos cada dia pues se paga solo sobre bloque resueltos. No puedes esperar que se te pague una cantidad expecífica cada dia sino que eso varia, a veces mas a veces menos, pero en general te irá mejor aca que en otra pool. Si tienes mas preguntas puedes enviarme un mensaje directo y conversamos al respecto.

Ahora te traduzco casi literalmente lo que dice Kano (osea el manager de la pool, muy conocedor del tema de bitcoin):

Actualmente hacemos pagos por bloques. Tus pagos están listados en "Account -> Rewards" para siempre. Solo los pagos arriba del valor minimo se envian a las cuentas. Lo demas se considera polvo porque su valor es tan poco que cuesta mas enviarlo que el valor generado. Con 23THS esta muy bien arriba del minimo para que se te pague. Los valores abajo del minimo no se envian a pago y se estan acumulando hasta que Kano haga el desarrollo de programación necesario para pagar lo acumulado. Entiendo que esta en su lista de prioridades.

Si no pones una direccion de pago, tu pago normal se junta con el polvo hasta que pongas la direccion. Esos valores no pagados porque no pusiste tu direccion se enviarán cuando Kano haga la programacion descrita antes.

Esta pool usa PPLNS para determinar el pago, asi que debes leer acerca de eso o traducir la pagina "Help -> Payouts" usando algun traductor como google translate. https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout

No tiene sentido preguntar cuando obtendrás por dia. El valor es al azar dependiendo de la "suerte" de la pool. Aunque generalmente tenemos buena suerte.

Revisa la pagina de bloques para tener una idea de los ultimos meses:

https://kano.is/index.php?k=pblocks

[NotFuzzyWarm]

My new miner is a WORLD TRAVELER! Heck the things been to places I never <massive text wall snip>

Glad to see you have a miner on the way and soon to be joining this fine pool but please do not post text walls like that. This is for Pool discussions and yes while is related, that wall REALLY belongs in a thread dealing with the miner hardware eg Bitmain's or the Avalon one...

[kano]

FYI

Don't know who it is - but it's 100% certainly a scam:

https://kanockpool.com/

[overcon]

My new miner is a WORLD TRAVELER! Heck the things been to places I never <massive text wall snip>

Glad to see you have a miner on the way and soon to be joining this fine pool but please do not post text walls like that. This is for Pool discussions and yes while is related, that wall REALLY belongs in a thread dealing with the miner hardware eg Bitmain's or the Avalon one...

Thanks, I'll take that into account... Sorry I overwhelmed the 300 baud modem with 17 lines consisting of 980 characters.  

[kano]

My new miner is a WORLD TRAVELER! Heck the things been to places I never <massive text wall snip>

Glad to see you have a miner on the way and soon to be joining this fine pool but please do not post text walls like that. This is for Pool discussions and yes while is related, that wall REALLY belongs in a thread dealing with the miner hardware eg Bitmain's or the Avalon one...

Um ... it's not really a wall ... so I'm certainly not deleting it.