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If there are no updates the information again? There seems to be a lot in the last month, i saw the most of the post here from you, do you not intend to establish a community? It will be very good for the growth of your projects .
So, even with the limited means there are available, EFL managed again to take the current situation and try and make something out of it. I wrote a small article about how EFL doesn't need to grow it's community, but the current community should start to show some love for EFL. The sentiment in our coin needs to change and by showing people the possibilities of what EFL could bring I hope to achieve that. This might also be seen as a way to advertise for my blog, I'm very curious if our rising price might attrackt some new readers, you are all invited to read why this coin deserves a lot more attention then what it is getting today: https://sgulden.webnode.nl/l/eflove/who cares? Maybe you and the other four guys posessing together with you 98% of the EFL coins. But nobody else will. EFL is dead in the Netherlands. Just killed by stupidity. And you know it but you want to get rid of your worthless EFLcoins. And that's something everybody will understand.  Nobody is impressed by your pump. Launching a national coin that is open to everyone globally seems to be a bit weird. You could just use any other cryptocurrency and it's usually easier to use as it's better established. The people involved did not launch this coin. We use a Dutch based coin to publish in Dutch, yes, you could form a Dutch community in any other coin, but why not take controll of development and be able to go the way your specific community wants to? There is more then enough need for trustworthy settlement for this coin to become adopted. My personal opinion is that the massses in the Netherlands are fooled by media, who only talk about the negative aspects of crypto, because they are basically a part of the current bankingsystem and need to propagate this vision for their existence. |
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February 22, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
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Launching a national coin that is open to everyone globally seems to be a bit weird. You could just use any other cryptocurrency and it's usually easier to use as it's better established.
Your statement is interesting. To us the launch of a coin that is destined to a local community seems logical, so you must have something in mind which we don't see. Let me tell you first what makes a national coin logic to us. Then we elaborate on your suggestion to use any other more established cryptocurrency instead. From that point we will argue why your own proposal is weird. Back in 2014 we came to the conclusion that Bitcoin had at least one major flaw: When it would be used as a peer to peer cash system and would have to compete with fiat currency it would become bloated very soon. Because the use of Bitcoin is permissionless and because you can think of many more applications than just peer to peer payments, the potential problem will be much bigger. When we just focus on worldwide financial transactions it is fair to prepare for ten payments per person daily as an average. If you compare that load to the capacity of Bitcoin alone, that capacity (1 milion transactions/day) is a factor 10000 too small. To give you an impression, in the picture below, the blue surface represents the capacity required and the white dot represents Bitcoin's capacity.  Moreover bitcoin is intended to be decentralised. We do'nt know if you maintain a bitcoin core-wallet but we assure you very few people do, because it is too heavy allready. Increasing the blocksize is a rather short sighted solution with decentralisation in mind. Just listen to what LukeJR jas to say about that: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-it-time-to-take-an-initiative-to-decrease-bitcoins-block-size-seriously/We believe that the adoption of a specific cryptocurrency by a local community is only natural. These local communities do exist you know. 99% of all financial transactions is local. Why disturb this valuable (and expensive) global blockchain when someone in Shanghai wants to buy a pizza? And how do you think a pizza seller in Shanghai will need to value your "just any other cryptocurrency"? There exists thousands of them. We think it would have to be a cryptocurrency he knows. One that is generally accepted in Shanghai. For you that is easy. If you do business in Shanghai on a regular basis you just change some of your Bitcoins to the popular cryptocurrency over there. The pizza seller will tell you which one that is and it would take a few seconds to obtain them with your "any cryptocurrency". In the Netherlands that could well be e-Gulden/EFL. It is open-source, it has Bitcoin in its core, it is decentralised, easy to access, it is easy to use in any HD wallet, it is censorhip resistent and indeed borderless as any cryptocurrency that plays by the Bitcoin rules. Maybe this will change your mind, but we are very interested if you still think our e-Gulden/EFL is weird. |
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February 24, 2019, 11:45:49 AM |
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Launching a national coin that is open to everyone globally seems to be a bit weird. You could just use any other cryptocurrency and it's usually easier to use as it's better established.
Your statement is interesting. To us the launch of a coin that is destined to a local community seems logical, so you must have something in mind which we don't see. Let me tell you first what makes a national coin logic to us. Then we elaborate on your suggestion to use any other more established cryptocurrency instead. From that point we will argue why your own proposal is weird. Back in 2014 we came to the conclusion that Bitcoin had at least one major flaw: When it would be used as a peer to peer cash system and would have to compete with fiat currency it would become bloated very soon. Because the use of Bitcoin is permissionless and because you can think of many more applications than just peer to peer payments, the potential problem will be much bigger. When we just focus on worldwide financial transactions it is fair to prepare for ten payments per person daily as an average. If you compare that load to the capacity of Bitcoin alone, that capacity (1 milion transactions/day) is a factor 10000 too small. To give you an impression, in the picture below, the blue surface represents the capacity required and the white dot represents Bitcoin's capacity. Moreover bitcoin is intended to be decentralised. We do'nt know if you maintain a bitcoin core-wallet but we assure you very few people do, because it is too heavy allready. Increasing the blocksize is a rather short sighted solution with decentralisation in mind. Just listen to what LukeJR jas to say about that: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-it-time-to-take-an-initiative-to-decrease-bitcoins-block-size-seriously/We believe that the adoption of a specific cryptocurrency by a local community is only natural. These local communities do exist you know. 99% of all financial transactions is local. Why disturb this valuable (and expensive) global blockchain when someone in Shanghai wants to buy a pizza? And how do you think a pizza seller in Shanghai will need to value your "just any other cryptocurrency"? There exists thousands of them. We think it would have to be a cryptocurrency he knows. One that is generally accepted in Shanghai. For you that is easy. If you do business in Shanghai on a regular basis you just change some of your Bitcoins to the popular cryptocurrency over there. The pizza seller will tell you which one that is and it would take a few seconds to obtain them with your "any cryptocurrency". In the Netherlands that could well be e-Gulden/EFL. It is open-source, it has Bitcoin in its core, it is decentralised, easy to access, it is easy to use in any HD wallet, it is censorhip resistent and indeed borderless as any cryptocurrency that plays by the Bitcoin rules. Maybe this will change your mind, but we are very interested if you still think our e-Gulden/EFL is weird. From a technical perspective alone, are you saying that your coin becomes obsolete as soon as Bitcoin solves all its scalability problems? |
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Yoshi Livo
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February 25, 2019, 03:46:18 PM |
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Launching a national coin that is open to everyone globally seems to be a bit weird. You could just use any other cryptocurrency and it's usually easier to use as it's better established.
Your statement is interesting. To us the launch of a coin that is destined to a local community seems logical, so you must have something in mind which we don't see. Let me tell you first what makes a national coin logic to us. Then we elaborate on your suggestion to use any other more established cryptocurrency instead. From that point we will argue why your own proposal is weird. Back in 2014 we came to the conclusion that Bitcoin had at least one major flaw: When it would be used as a peer to peer cash system and would have to compete with fiat currency it would become bloated very soon. Because the use of Bitcoin is permissionless and because you can think of many more applications than just peer to peer payments, the potential problem will be much bigger. When we just focus on worldwide financial transactions it is fair to prepare for ten payments per person daily as an average. If you compare that load to the capacity of Bitcoin alone, that capacity (1 milion transactions/day) is a factor 10000 too small. To give you an impression, in the picture below, the blue surface represents the capacity required and the white dot represents Bitcoin's capacity. Moreover bitcoin is intended to be decentralised. We do'nt know if you maintain a bitcoin core-wallet but we assure you very few people do, because it is too heavy allready. Increasing the blocksize is a rather short sighted solution with decentralisation in mind. Just listen to what LukeJR jas to say about that: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-it-time-to-take-an-initiative-to-decrease-bitcoins-block-size-seriously/We believe that the adoption of a specific cryptocurrency by a local community is only natural. These local communities do exist you know. 99% of all financial transactions is local. Why disturb this valuable (and expensive) global blockchain when someone in Shanghai wants to buy a pizza? And how do you think a pizza seller in Shanghai will need to value your "just any other cryptocurrency"? There exists thousands of them. We think it would have to be a cryptocurrency he knows. One that is generally accepted in Shanghai. For you that is easy. If you do business in Shanghai on a regular basis you just change some of your Bitcoins to the popular cryptocurrency over there. The pizza seller will tell you which one that is and it would take a few seconds to obtain them with your "any cryptocurrency". In the Netherlands that could well be e-Gulden/EFL. It is open-source, it has Bitcoin in its core, it is decentralised, easy to access, it is easy to use in any HD wallet, it is censorhip resistent and indeed borderless as any cryptocurrency that plays by the Bitcoin rules. Maybe this will change your mind, but we are very interested if you still think our e-Gulden/EFL is weird. From a technical perspective alone, are you saying that your coin becomes obsolete as soon as Bitcoin solves all its scalability problems? As soon as a Bitcoin transaction becomes cheaper then a transaction in EFL, i'm willing to follow your statement. But still there would be an argument where you could go for a different blockchain, simply to have controll over the development proces. |
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February 27, 2019, 08:33:22 PM |
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From a technical perspective alone, are you saying that your coin becomes obsolete as soon as Bitcoin solves all its scalability problems?
No, you did not hear that from me, nor is that a consequence of what I said. Scaling is not the issue either because scaling would be the problem. Because bitcoin doesn't scale it will survive. Now we are forced to look for escapes, like the lightning network. But Lightning only alleviates, just like Altcoins do. Moreover, Lightning will tie these Altcoins better together allowing atomic crosschain swaps ( https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09515.pdf) improving the cryptocurrency network as a whole and Bitcoin leading the way. Just look at the internet. If it would be a single electronic highway that had to cope with all traffic it wouldn't function. Instead it is a topology with many highways and subways interlinked with bridges, gateways, buffers and more. Thats how the future of cryptofinance will be. |
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March 04, 2019, 09:51:39 AM |
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A message from Novaexchange.com
Recently though, we have felt spring in the air.....
So, Great Nova traders and trolls, spring clean your portfolio in March.
We have great news, if your March Trading volume is more than 0.2 BTC accumulated, you get ALL your trading fees back at the end of the month (minus any referrals paid out).
Get Some Sun & Trade on!!!
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Yoshi Livo
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March 04, 2019, 10:48:40 AM |
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A message from Novaexchange.com
Recently though, we have felt spring in the air.....
So, Great Nova traders and trolls, spring clean your portfolio in March.
We have great news, if your March Trading volume is more than 0.2 BTC accumulated, you get ALL your trading fees back at the end of the month (minus any referrals paid out).
Get Some Sun & Trade on!!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuipVrmAl9O/Spring es in die air! |
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Yoshi Livo
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March 19, 2019, 11:44:35 AM |
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Congratulations everybody, today EFL celebrates it's first successfull lustrum!
Let's see what the next 5 years will bring.
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March 19, 2019, 03:45:50 PM |
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Congratulations everybody, today EFL celebrates it's first successfull lustrum!
Let's see what the next 5 years will bring.
Great. So the 5 people who have EFL in portfolio at this moment will have a party? So 5 beer for the whole community!. If you and your foundation continue to screw up everything you to start, nothing will happen in the coming 5 years. Just as nothing happened in the last 5 years. Maybe it helps If you stop to declare everybody as your personal enemy. Maybe you guys should stop to hate (yes it's pure hate!) everybody who tells what you're doing wrong with e-Gulden and how it can be done successfully. And that is a lot. Almost everything you do. Only the technical part is sound. I'm convinced that a team of people with a basic knowledge of marketing (so not you and your foundation) can make a big success of e-Gulden within a year. There's a huge demand for crypto in the Netherlands. Look at the brilliant move of Gulden.com to work together with the largest weblog in the Netherlands. Rijk Plasman knows what he's doing. You don't. You make some gitding and think people need that. Come on. Wake up! Do something! Not just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. And then start to talk and talk and talk and talk. But no talking with any people outside your little cosy community.... But as long as you kick out everybody who knows what should be done en who wants to help you, e-Gulden is doomed. You know it. You're not the fool you pretend to be! |
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Yoshi Livo
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March 20, 2019, 12:45:13 PM |
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Congratulations everybody, today EFL celebrates it's first successfull lustrum!
Let's see what the next 5 years will bring.
Great. So the 5 people who have EFL in portfolio at this moment will have a party? So 5 beer for the whole community!. If you and your foundation continue to screw up everything you to start, nothing will happen in the coming 5 years. Just as nothing happened in the last 5 years. Maybe it helps If you stop to declare everybody as your personal enemy. Maybe you guys should stop to hate (yes it's pure hate!) everybody who tells what you're doing wrong with e-Gulden and how it can be done successfully. And that is a lot. Almost everything you do. Only the technical part is sound. I'm convinced that a team of people with a basic knowledge of marketing (so not you and your foundation) can make a big success of e-Gulden within a year. There's a huge demand for crypto in the Netherlands. Look at the brilliant move of Gulden.com to work together with the largest weblog in the Netherlands. Rijk Plasman knows what he's doing. You don't. You make some gitding and think people need that. Come on. Wake up! Do something! Not just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. And then start to talk and talk and talk and talk. But no talking with any people outside your little cosy community.... But as long as you kick out everybody who knows what should be done en who wants to help you, e-Gulden is doomed. You know it. You're not the fool you pretend to be! Thanks you for your negativity Joris, plus all the wrong information you manage to spread in those couple of lines. Maybe you should participate in our weekly meetings to be heard, instead of the negative sentiment you spread and scare everybody with on this forum. |
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March 20, 2019, 12:47:29 PM |
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A message from Novaexchange.com
Recently though, we have felt spring in the air.....
So, Great Nova traders and trolls, spring clean your portfolio in March.
We have great news, if your March Trading volume is more than 0.2 BTC accumulated, you get ALL your trading fees back at the end of the month (minus any referrals paid out).
Get Some Sun & Trade on!!!
Welcome spring, let's wait for the new bull run. Do you know the minimum withdrawal amount in Nova exchange? |
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Yoshi Livo
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March 30, 2019, 01:53:56 AM |
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A message from Novaexchange.com
Recently though, we have felt spring in the air.....
So, Great Nova traders and trolls, spring clean your portfolio in March.
We have great news, if your March Trading volume is more than 0.2 BTC accumulated, you get ALL your trading fees back at the end of the month (minus any referrals paid out).
Get Some Sun & Trade on!!!
Welcome spring, let's wait for the new bull run. Do you know the minimum withdrawal amount in Nova exchange? minimum withdrawal? I guess minimum is fee you pay for tx. |
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March 30, 2019, 10:08:56 AM |
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altmarkets love the exchange best one there is no fake volume , honest and supper support! easy to use the exchange for everyone  so join altmarkets you will love it !:) happy trading with efl on altmarkets! ik moet zeggen dat van alle marketen altmarket toch wel 1 van de beste en eerlijkste is ! geen fake volume , cold wallets, en super support ! makkelijk te gebruiken een echte aanrader  hoop jullie snel te zien als altmarkets is net een familie dus kom erbij |
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EFLFoundation (OP)
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April 02, 2019, 08:36:54 AM |
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Yoshi Livo
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April 20, 2019, 05:34:17 PM |
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I've contacted amsterdex, but so far no responce, feel free to ask them about EFL. |
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April 30, 2019, 07:56:30 PM |
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Hi,
Where can I find the white paper? I there one?
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