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[anderl]

Uh oh... Eyes are opening...

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36666/remember-hashlets

 Remember Hashlets?



I was browsing r/Bitcoins this morning and found this. Can somebody tell me what is going on?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32w9b3/gaw_miners_lied_about_the_911_donation/

This is just too good to be true, GAWCEO does not disappoint for Comedy Gold today:

At the time of our announcement of remember we wanted to limit the sale of them to 10k worth of Hashlets.

When the sales happened, they did not get limited so we ended up selling more. We decided to still provide the 10k donation to the 911 fund. But in addition to that, we extended the additional money, as well as adding more of our own funds to multiple other charities. Since we do not beat our chest about the charities we support, we did not announce it.

The 911 Fund was very appreciative of this and has offered to come take pictures at our offices a few times.

If memory serves our charitable donations for that month were near or over 100k.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36666/remember-hashlets/6

Yes if your memory serves .. well you might want to check that memory chip Josh.  Think its burned out.  No way on earth that GAW made 100K in charitable donations that month, or any other, unless Josh/Carlos/Juliette/Jessica are considered charities.

Im sure those other alleged  charities are happy with the money, but what happened to the terms he sold the remember hashlets on... GAW claimed that 100% of the Remember Hashlet sales price would be donated to the 9/11 memorial fund.  You can't say oh we made more that we should have lets just give it to other charities.

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[Paul Revere]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

I'm sorry but the law does not care if your mistake is "legit"

But i think you know this too.

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

Wrong. He clearly stated that ALL proceeds from the 9/11 charitable Hashlet sales would be donated to a 9/11 charity, and then he did not do it. Then there is the detail about specific laws dealing with 9/11 charities on top of that. The emails that make it clear he is aware of this are evidence that he understood what he was doing. Even if that were not the case, people in positions where they are responsible for conducting business are required to be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average Joe. They have signed legal documents saying they DO know what they are doing and will take responsibility for the actions of the corporation they represent.

[TeamButtcoin]

a.  How did he convince the power company to keep the power on so long and not pay their bill?  At home they shut mine off after 15 days late.
b.  How did he ever come to be involved in with Josh in a small town far from Connecticut?  Why didn't he do his homework before he took the job?  Maybe he did?  I don't know the answer.
c.  Is he going to be personally responsible for this bill since he signed for it?  Wow! That would suck!

Non-residential business places tend to be extremely lenient on this kind of thing, I've heard of web hosting companies not paying the company they colocated with for nearly a year, with server power/housing/bandwidth being provided before being cut off.

The Business to Business world operates on a much wider timescale than the consumer-facing one

[maildir]

At that time, I was told 10k worth of 911 Hashlets had been sold, and that's what we committed to donating to the 911 fund.

No Homero you asked and were told 48,000 $'s worth had been sold.  

Evan just pulled a total Remember Hashlet MH report from the database and this is what we came up with.

Would you like a more detailed report?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:

    Sigh.... And that's confirmed? 100%

    On Sep 16, 2014 11:29 AM, "Joe Mordica" <joe@geniusesatwork.com> wrote:

        The price per MH was 20.95 so:

        48k

        On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:


            Ahhhh crap. How much is that?

            On Sep 16, 2014 11:14 AM, "Joe Mordica" <joe@geniusesatwork.com> wrote:

                2296MH total

                On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:

                   How many did we sell?

                 

[coinits]

This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

[MrCEO]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

I'm sorry but the law does not care if your mistake is "legit"

But i think you know this too.

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

Thats not how accounting works. Try again. Numbers dont lie, you cant use the fund then say thats not your intention, so we're ok .... Please dont bother argue law with me, you sounds like Josh right now ....


"We're not selling securities" argument type .

we didn't use the fud. we only anounced the donaton after the sale was over

i can totaly see that "company acused of Giving extra money to Wrong Charity and seling to much hashlets!" nobody cares get a life fuddster

lik e dude

we were only going to sell 500. never promisd to giv more than that to charty. we donated anyway, what more you be want??

The problem is you 3rd grade educated dolt, you keep speaking and your not smart enough to keep your lies straight at this point.

Ill have u now i finsihed till 4 and a half garde till droping out for add

Josh is backed in to a corner and starting panic and blurt things out that make it perfectly clear that he was commiting fraud with the Remember Hashlets. The lying fucking prick is now saying that he does not have to disclose the charitable contributions the corporation makes.: https://hashtalk.org/topic/36666/remember-hashlets/17
Archive: https://archive.today/ukFXP

https://i.imgur.com/s8bu5QN.jpg

Get him boys! Make him keep lying himself into a deeper hole!

https://i.imgur.com/og1TvZD.jpg

This IS the type of thing that Lamestream Media might pick up on. Particularly regarding Stu Fraser's involvement in GAW.

i can totaly see that "company acused of Giving extra money to Wrong Charity and seling to much hashlets!" nobody cares get a life fuddster

lik e dude

we were only going to sell 500. never promisd to giv more than that to charty. we donated anyway, what more you be want??

Sup dog, does Stu's cock taste like candy or should we ask your wife ?

Legit question, dont ban me big-dog.

shut up you imature trolling fuddister

[systematicdeception]

Josh is backed in to a corner and starting panic and blurt things out that make it perfectly clear that he was commiting fraud with the Remember Hashlets. The lying fucking prick is now saying that he does not have to disclose the charitable contributions the corporation makes.: https://hashtalk.org/topic/36666/remember-hashlets/17
Archive: https://archive.today/ukFXP

https://i.imgur.com/s8bu5QN.jpg

Get him boys! Make him keep lying himself into a deeper hole!

https://i.imgur.com/og1TvZD.jpg

This IS the type of thing that Lamestream Media might pick up on. Particularly regarding Stu Fraser's involvement in GAW.

i can totaly see that "company acused of Giving extra money to Wrong Charity and seling to much hashlets!" nobody cares get a life fuddster

lik e dude

we were only going to sell 500. never promisd to giv more than that to charty. we donated anyway, what more you be want??

A little birdie just told me that MrCEO sent some of that money to his church! Maybe someone should call them up and let them know their savior is a crook?

http://www.newdaychurch.cc/

http://www.facebook.com/newdaychurch.cc

New Day Church
 Meeting Location:
 Basketball Hall of Fame
 1000 W. Columbus Avenue
 Springfield MA 01105

 Tel: (413) 241-3070
 Fax: (413) 304-6070
 info@newdaychurch.cc

Actually I think it was rumored that the church was being used by Josh/Adam for laundering

Well here's confirmation that the little birdie wasn't lying

Jessica Garza getting baptized at NewDay Church?

Hooray I'm fuckin rich! Thanks for letting me bathe in your muggle water!

Singing a song to distract the crowd while homero empties the collections bowls.


sweetheart, an entire swimming pool of holy water isn't gonna wash this stink off... but keep on sending misappropriated charities to the church, maybe you'll eventually "donate" enough of other peoples money to be "forgiven"?

[MrCEO]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

I'm sorry but the law does not care if your mistake is "legit"

But i think you know this too.

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

Wrong. He clearly stated that ALL proceeds from the 9/11 charitable Hashlet sales would be donated to a 9/11 charity, and then he did not do it. Then there is the detail about specific laws dealing with 9/11 charities on top of that. The emails that make it clear he is aware of this are evidence that he understood what he was doing. Even if that were not the case, people in positions where they are responsible for conducting business are required to be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average Joe. They have signed legal documents saying they DO know what they are doing and will take responsibility for the actions of the corporation they represent.

dued

that statement also clearly said that only 10000 would be dnated.

[pbj sammich]

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

I would contend that he showed intent. He knew they sold 48k prior to making the donation. Therefore, when making the donation he unintentionally left out the other 38k?

[coinits]

Does the baby look like a mini-me?

[miaviator]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

You get the DoucheCanoe™ award for defending someones choice to defraud the 9/11 Memorial Fund.  From every myself as well as every veteran and first responder worldwide: F*ck You!

[MrCEO]

At that time, I was told 10k worth of 911 Hashlets had been sold, and that's what we committed to donating to the 911 fund.

No Homero you asked and were told 48,000 $'s worth had been sold.  

Evan just pulled a total Remember Hashlet MH report from the database and this is what we came up with.

Would you like a more detailed report?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:

    Sigh.... And that's confirmed? 100%

    On Sep 16, 2014 11:29 AM, "Joe Mordica" <joe@geniusesatwork.com> wrote:

        The price per MH was 20.95 so:

        48k

        On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:


            Ahhhh crap. How much is that?

            On Sep 16, 2014 11:14 AM, "Joe Mordica" <joe@geniusesatwork.com> wrote:

                2296MH total

                On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Garza <josh@btc.com> wrote:

                   How many did we sell?

                 

fudder, can't you tread dats?

the hashtalk post dated 2014-09-13T04:26:31.622Z, 3 DAYS before these emails.

[anderl]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

I'm sorry but the law does not care if your mistake is "legit"

But i think you know this too.

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

Wrong. He clearly stated that ALL proceeds from the 9/11 charitable Hashlet sales would be donated to a 9/11 charity, and then he did not do it. Then there is the detail about specific laws dealing with 9/11 charities on top of that. The emails that make it clear he is aware of this are evidence that he understood what he was doing. Even if that were not the case, people in positions where they are responsible for conducting business are required to be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average Joe. They have signed legal documents saying they DO know what they are doing and will take responsibility for the actions of the corporation they represent.

dued

that statement also clearly said that only 10000 would be dnated.

Wrong he estimated that from the 500 hashlets they planned to sell the donation would be $10k but they sold more hashlets.  If they oversold they should have refunded the buyers.  Instead they kept the money.

And he did nto donate the money to the 9/11 memorial fund.  It was some other 9/11 related fund.

[seedtrue]

derp derp

dude stop you are not good at impersonating Josh and even though its kind of(not really but maybe a tiny bit) funny. Pick a better time and place.

[MrCEO]

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

I would contend that he showed intent. He knew they sold 48k prior to making the donation. Therefore, when making the donation he unintentionally left out the other 38k?

pormise was made before knowing how much, i thougt we sold 10000 at the time, the promise was tyo donate 10000., read the posts, check the dates u fudding troller

[coinits]

There just has to be a new meme here

[anderl]

http://www.miningpool.co.uk/former-paycoin-developer-joe-mordica-speaks-about-gaws-power-bill-and-prime-controller-issue/

It would be interesting to hear from Joe,

a.  How did he convince the power company to keep the power on so long and not pay their bill?  At home they shut mine off after 15 days late.

Maybe they had Garza's mom move into the warehouse to work "security".  You can't turn the power off on a little old grandmother right?

[MrCEO]

The charity thing is probably a legit mistake. I have a vague recollection of an email chain where he asked how many 911 hashlets were sold, someone told him the number, and he was like, "o shit."

Fraud has to be premeditated. Misappropriation is intentional. I don't think this was either. He probably botched the part of the system that was supposed to put a cap on the sales, and he probably had all sales money go into the same account as regular hashlet sales. By the time he realized that he sold too many, the money was spent, and all he had left was the $10k he actually did set aside for charity.

I'm sorry but the law does not care if your mistake is "legit"

But i think you know this too.

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

Wrong. He clearly stated that ALL proceeds from the 9/11 charitable Hashlet sales would be donated to a 9/11 charity, and then he did not do it. Then there is the detail about specific laws dealing with 9/11 charities on top of that. The emails that make it clear he is aware of this are evidence that he understood what he was doing. Even if that were not the case, people in positions where they are responsible for conducting business are required to be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average Joe. They have signed legal documents saying they DO know what they are doing and will take responsibility for the actions of the corporation they represent.

dued

that statement also clearly said that only 10000 would be dnated.

Wrong he estimated that from the 500 hashlets they planned to sell the donation would be $10k but they sold more hashlets.  If they oversold they should have refunded the buyers.  Instead they kept the money.

no. the post promisng donaton was after the sale. we did not say there would be donatoin until already bought so no reason to refund customers.

derp derp

dude stop you are not good at impersonating Josh and even though its kind of(not really but maybe a tiny bit) funny. Pick a better time and place.

i come when extra i have tIme. if you dont enjoy it feel free to ingore me. just buy xpy, it's on big sale now!!

[pbj sammich]

Actually, it does. Fraud requires intent, as does illegal misappropriation.

To clarify, this is fraud in the way that all hashlet sales are fraudulent, but I don't see the evidence that he intended to defraud a charity. I don't think there's any additional fraud going on beyond what occurs during an ordinary hashlet sale. I think it's a fuck up followed by an ugly resistance to make up the difference. There were a lot of really incompetent people making a lot of poor decisions (like the entire concept of Paycoin) and making a lot of mistakes. This smells like a fuck up.

I would contend that he showed intent. He knew they sold 48k prior to making the donation. Therefore, when making the donation he unintentionally left out the other 38k?

pormise was made before knowing how much, i thougt we sold 10000 at the time, the promise was tyo donate 10000., read the posts, check the dates u fudding troller

No the promise was to donate 100% to the 9/11 memorial fund. That did not happen.

[WaffleMaster]

Ganza's life is in rubble. The only thing left now is for the sad truth he will be going to jail. That will probably actually be a blessing to him considering how messed up his entire life is now. The karma is real.