GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[miaviator]

Who is this "Phil Taken" guy anyways I thought it was Vadala.....

So according to his math 30 PCs belong to the centralized "rebels" and 15 to Phil the thief. Where are the remaining 5? Which ones is he excluding from the "bad" list, BTCLend, jmordica? Or is he just failing math again and I shouldn't read too much into this?

He is trying to maths.

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[kken01]

It will be 7am in Dubai when this call happens. I hope Josh is an early bird. Or that his wife awakes him.

I wonder how he will block the sunlight from the camera in whatever room he is in?

he didnt use webcam in his last short visit so he wont be using it now either. if he even shows up

[Buckeye2015]

its funny people fight over the right who can fuck the customers the most. if they would have any sense they would fork it and reduce rate but no. they (not all) want money printers

maybe we should fork it for the community and see if anyone wants to join the fork with no PC's. its been half a year with no features. noone will deliver. take a page from paycons playbook and do something ffs

Wouldn't that fork be called peercoin? And, I think it's trading on exchanges, so anyone can buy into it. :-)

[kken01]

So according to his math 30 PCs belong to the centralized "rebels" and 15 to Phil the thief. Where are the remaining 5? Which ones is he excluding from the "bad" list, BTCLend, jmordica? Or is he just failing math again and I shouldn't read too much into this?

http://paycoinfoundation.org/docs/PCAgreement_signed.pdf latest signed one

12	The PayCoin Foundation,Inc
3	Adam Matlack
15	Paycoin Core Development
5	XPY Trust
X	GAW

reality

12	The PayCoin Foundation,Inc
3	Adam Matlack
14	Paycoin Core Development
1	BTCLend
4	XPY Trust
1	Burned/empty
15	Mineral/Phil controls - 'Real' owners terrorist(s)/muggle(s)/criminal(s)

thats up to date i think. maybe miavator can correct me if im wrong

edit: ganza likes to pull numbers from his ass alot   why start checking facts now

[Crestington]

its funny people fight over the right who can fuck the customers the most. if they would have any sense they would fork it and reduce rate but no. they (not all) want money printers

maybe we should fork it for the community and see if anyone wants to join the fork with no PC's. its been half a year with no features. noone will deliver. take a page from paycons playbook and do something ffs

Wouldn't that fork be called peercoin? And, I think it's trading on exchanges, so anyone can buy into it. :-)

He can't release a new Coin because he has no idea about economics, coding or managing costs. The Prime Controllers are the only feature PayCoin has and has been a good experiment to show that selective advantage in the hands of a few with no transparency does not work because it allows the few to sell their Coins freely. I'm not saying that Prime controllers can't work, I think if done properly that they could have worked if you had the transparency and accounting behind it. The real big killer of PayCoin is the lack of transparency, if something can't be proven either way then people assume the worst.

[favdesu]

oh my god, please don't give him new business/fraud ideas. he might take this serious

[kken01]

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/explorer/bubble.dws?coin=xpy

^ well thats cool i didnt notice that graph before

[miaviator]

So according to his math 30 PCs belong to the centralized "rebels" and 15 to Phil the thief. Where are the remaining 5? Which ones is he excluding from the "bad" list, BTCLend, jmordica? Or is he just failing math again and I shouldn't read too much into this?

thats up to date i think. maybe miavator can correct me if im wrong

edit: ganza likes to pull numbers from his ass alot   why start checking facts now

*** 5/5/2015 ****
Hard Fork still being planned.
Maximum post fork stake rate 10%
Preferred post fork stake rate 0%

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

Paycoin Core Development Corporation (XPYDEV)
http://xpydev.org/
14 Votes
14 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each

Project Investors (Cryptsy) (From XPYDEV)
https://www.cryptsy.com/
http://talk.paycoin.com/uploads/Uploader/d9/fa433385d618f4b2d8d06cfe5e6428.pdf
1 Vote
1 Funded Node 125,000 XPY

The Paycoin Trust (XPYTRUST)
4 Votes
4 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY

BTCLend (From XPYTRUST)
https://btclend.org/btc/
1 Vote
1 Funded Node 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: Revocation vote anticipated after breaking trust and violating compound stake agreement as well as user coin security best practices.

Phil Vadala/Valada
mineral.com
15 Votes
15 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: These nodes are pending distribution to various parties.

Adam Matlack
3 Votes
3 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: 10% effective stake rate.  Coins are burned weekly for the excess stake until the next fork.

Additional parties:
Team Paycoin (Team XPY) Adoption, Acceptance, Development, Community Support: 35+ Members
BlockChain innovations (BCI) ZenCloud, PayBase, HashStakers and MicroPrime development
*NOTE: HashStaker/MicroPrime payouts and future payouts are independent of the Prime Controller stake rate and development
Homero Garza, some unrelated short muggle who thinks the crypto industry worships him.  No coins, No Controllers, No Votes, No actual involvement.

Latest signed agreement between operators:
http://paycoinfoundation.org/docs/PCAgreement_signed.pdf

Initial Coin Distribution:
Pending Data collection

[suchmoon]

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

A bit of a math issue here?

They had 12, burned 1, gave 2 to xpy.io. Shouldn't it be 9 votes + 2 by proxy?

[vObh0n]6W]

So according to his math 30 PCs belong to the centralized "rebels" and 15 to Phil the thief. Where are the remaining 5? Which ones is he excluding from the "bad" list, BTCLend, jmordica? Or is he just failing math again and I shouldn't read too much into this?

thats up to date i think. maybe miavator can correct me if im wrong

edit: ganza likes to pull numbers from his ass alot   why start checking facts now

*** 5/5/2015 ****
Hard Fork still being planned.
Maximum post fork stake rate 10%
Preferred post fork stake rate 0%

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

Paycoin Core Development Corporation (XPYDEV)
http://xpydev.org/
14 Votes
14 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each

Project Investors (Cryptsy) (From XPYDEV)
https://www.cryptsy.com/
http://talk.paycoin.com/uploads/Uploader/d9/fa433385d618f4b2d8d06cfe5e6428.pdf
1 Vote
1 Funded Node 125,000 XPY

The Paycoin Trust (XPYTRUST)
4 Votes
4 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY

BTCLend (From XPYTRUST)
https://btclend.org/btc/
1 Vote
1 Funded Node 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: Revocation vote anticipated after breaking trust and violating compound stake agreement as well as user coin security best practices.

Phil Vadala/Valada
mineral.com
15 Votes
15 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: These nodes are pending distribution to various parties.

Adam Matlack
3 Votes
3 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY
*NOTE: 10% effective stake rate.  Coins are burned weekly for the excess stake until the next fork.

Additional parties:
Team Paycoin (Team XPY) Adoption, Acceptance, Development, Community Support: 35+ Members
BlockChain innovations (BCI) ZenCloud, PayBase, HashStakers and MicroPrime development
*NOTE: HashStaker/MicroPrime payouts and future payouts are independent of the Prime Controller stake rate and development
Homero Garza, some unrelated short muggle who thinks the crypto industry worships him.  No coins, No Controllers, No Votes, No actual involvement.

Latest signed agreement between operators:
http://paycoinfoundation.org/docs/PCAgreement_signed.pdf

Initial Coin Distribution:
Pending Data collection

You left out the 13 leaked controllers. By the way, can someone trace back who owned them? You can try to track the wallets that used them to stake before the leakage.

[miaviator]

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

A bit of a math issue here?

They had 12, burned 1, gave 2 to xpy.io. Shouldn't it be 9 votes + 2 by proxy?

They still have 10 votes.

12 Controllers = 12 votes
2 nodes proxied to xpy.io = 10 votes

12 funded controllers - 1 funded controller burned. 
They still get the vote at the moment. 
Since no one ever really decided what happens if a controller is burned?

[miaviator]

You left out the 13 leaked controllers. By the way, can someone trace back who owned them? You can try to track the wallets that used them to stake before the leakage.

I believe it was:
11 The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
2 Adam

[Buckeye2015]

RED FLAG: Do not owe you anything on where my family an I are saying. Who even ask for that?
 Yoshi never mentioned Josh's family.  

He does however owe the various agencies who have questions and want answers though.

Well then maybe they should start moving a bit faster than one millionth of a mile per hour while conducting their investigations.

Remember it took years for Madoff to be arrested and they had evidence.

The fact they got a subpoena and warrants within months makes this one of the fastest moving investigations to date.

It'll take some time.

Look at it this way... they started out investigating his Aug fraud (there was a posted chat session where the SEC investigation was mentioned and that chat was posted in Sept 2014).... Then he added the XPY scheme, then the large number of web sites, then pre-paid credit cards... all of these are within weeks of each other and documenting even one of those schemes would take a single investigator a couple weeks... so, unless they've put a task force on this investigation, they're being snowballed in layers of fraud and they can't go to a judge and get an arrest warrant for him being a 'felony level asshole'... so he gets to roam free like a coked up bull in a china shop until they put together the solid evidence to support an arrest.  And, odds are good that Josh won't be the first arrest. They typically arrest the out-liers that they intend to turn before they go after the 'head' of the organization.

[Mayer Amschel]

He scammed everyone *Minerals* next bag filler for him.

- Mayer Amschel

[geegaw]

Do you think a confidential tip-off to the Dubai police that a certain known cocaine dealer / user is hiding out in their country and more than likely is in possession of narcotics as we speak will help or hinder Paycoin? Don't they chop your hands off for that there, or is it it they chop your head off for such a serious offense like they do in Indonesia.


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[suchmoon]

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

A bit of a math issue here?

They had 12, burned 1, gave 2 to xpy.io. Shouldn't it be 9 votes + 2 by proxy?

They still have 10 votes.

12 Controllers = 12 votes
2 nodes proxied to xpy.io = 10 votes

12 funded controllers - 1 funded controller burned. 
They still get the vote at the moment. 
Since no one ever really decided what happens if a controller is burned?

So they just burned 125k XPY but not the key (impossible really to burn it and meaningless now that we have the leaked ones) and did not forfeit the vote. Kinda pointless.

"Prime controller" is becoming ambiguous because it can refer to the magic key, the 125k coins, or both.

[Buckeye2015]

The Paycoin Foundation (TPC)
https://paycoin.com/
10 Votes
12 Funded Nodes 125,000 XPY each
100% stake rate
1 Empty Node 125,000 XPY burned
*XPY.io 2 Votes via proxy

A bit of a math issue here?

They had 12, burned 1, gave 2 to xpy.io. Shouldn't it be 9 votes + 2 by proxy?

They still have 10 votes.

12 Controllers = 12 votes
2 nodes proxied to xpy.io = 10 votes

12 funded controllers - 1 funded controller burned. 
They still get the vote at the moment. 
Since no one ever really decided what happens if a controller is burned?

The controllers can vote out a controller as a bad actor and Paycoin Foundation has said they fully expect the burned controller to be voted off the island as a bad actor and therefor reduce the total number of controllers in the mix (not accounting for rogue controllers that are out there)

[Paul Revere]

OK. Enough is Enough. This crime must be reported.


https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37427/enough-is-enough-this-crime-needs-to-be-reported/2 Archive: https://archive.is/LpsOg

TL;DR Is Homero going to turn himself in?  

[neordicICE]

I don't like the answers I get from this thread. I want to see him in jail. and you tell me  "general consensus is" he will not go to jail. seems someone is protecting him

[bumpershot]

OK. Enough is Enough. This crime must be reported.

https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37427/enough-is-enough-this-crime-needs-to-be-reported/2 Archive: https://archive.is/LpsOg

TL;DR Is Homero going to turn himself in?  

Wow, he must be getting some very serious threats from his early investors. Encouraging people to file a false police report is only a length you go to if you REALLY want to convince people that you didn't sign away everything in bad deals.

I think he might be getting threats of physical harm. Like real ones, not internet ones.