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Author Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)  (Read 3377782 times)
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December 11, 2014, 12:55:19 PM
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It's become more and more obvious when following GAW's announcements that Josh just does not understand currency. And to be fair, it's a very tricky

In general it seems Josh just doesn't "get" bitcoin. He talks about this new currency as being designed for institutional investors, for "business" - and for "miners", sorry, "stakers". He has built in a lot of bells and whistles with those Hashlets for the gamification crowd, making it more "complex" (more stupid, really). Those bells and whistles are useless for a currency. Actually, it makes for a less efficient currency (more time-consuming). A cryptocurrency either stands on its own legs (the genesis block) or it wont stand at all. Bitcoin has way too much of a head-start and will be enough going forward, especially considering sidechains.

I think Josh never really intended for this to be a scam as they moved from importing hardware to selling cloudy fluffy stuff marketed as "miners" doing "mining" (in reality nothing more than scripts and numbers in GAW's database).
He probably underestimated delivery times, got left cold after something failed and stopped the Vaultbreaker, tried to cover-up with Hashlets "mining", got the idea to turn everything into cloud gamification, got really cocky and fooled himself into believing he understands currency. Josh's reasoning indicates he thinks of cryptocurrencies as where they stocks in a company.


Regarding your second point quoted... I had similar thoughts many pages ago about this incredibly abrupt change of business model. Scrape away all of the "noise" about PayCoin and this is about the exchange... and most likely getting someone to acquire it to get the actual money men their money back. I can't argue that having a Coinbase-clone site w/ the added features of being able to fund a debit card is a bad idea, it's a good idea... BUT, GAW has changed their model in an incredibly ham-handed way that is just alienating to most people outside of the GAWsome protective bubble.

The most telling thing is found when you take a look at what was said during the much hyped BTC.com purchase... so many glowing quotes about BTC. Then just mere months later to do an about face and say BTC isn't viable, etc.

The intentions of Hashlets were probably good when it was devised... but there were obviously fatal flaws in the model.. first, the changing landscape of the value of hashpower tied to a business model going after the "little guy". Sorry, if you were able to sell me single MHs last year at the same time, it would have been brilliant... but to sell single MHs in the current environment (and small amounts of GHs for BTC mining) to me is irresponsible. You then encourage people to "reinvest" in a dying commodity is just going to leave a large share of your customers broke... sure the early adopters did well, but buy in Sept or even worse Oct/Nov.. .you're not getting anything from "mining" with GAW.

GAW was never a manufacturer... so the best they could ever get in terms of hardware is the best wholesale prices... which still isn't good enough when you factor in things like the overhead, customer acquisition costs (I would imagine this number was really high in terms of the cost/vs revenue).

I think Josh's ability to change face so quickly shows he just wants to be perceived as a thought leader, without actually bringing anything to the table...

Paycoin is just a diversion to keep their existing customer base around... I can't imagine there's much of an influx of new customers coming in... many people are still just learning to comprehend how/what BTC is... now you throw in a marketing push that says BTC isn't "the one" combined with a bunch of POS crap, lots of stuff about controllers, staking, etc... POS is not understood by Joe Consumer and they are doing a horrible job of explaining it, IMO.

So for me, all of this comes back to the exchange as the way out for them... I think the problem is they are really late to the development party and with their spotty technical record to-date... who, outside of the customer base, is going to be thrilled to give it a go?
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December 11, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
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soo we can upgrade zenhaslets and about multi? i were checking my account and i got payment from day 9 december ,a delay on balance?
i also checked yesterday zen pool 0.00027 and i got paid 0,00023 i made 1 santoshi with my prime sounds good....


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Upgrades of Multi and other hashlets should start Friday, but seeing how poorly Zen upgrade was announced it might be problem to actually get those upgrades.
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December 11, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
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Holy crap...reading this thread is a full time job...I give up

Dreams of cyprto solving everything is slowly slipping away...Replaced by scams/hacks Sad
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December 11, 2014, 01:15:50 PM
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Hmmmm decisions decisions. I have 10 more Prime's that I need to make a decision on.

Either I liquidate them now, or convert and liquidate after the market opens up again. I wonder what will net me more BTC?
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December 11, 2014, 01:19:20 PM
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(b) he also put in the terms and conditions that both parties agree NOT to go to court and jury to resolve any dispute

where is that comming from? zencloud toc?

yes i'm going through them with a fine comb

5. Dispute Resolution.
All disputes, controversies or claims arising out of, relating to, or in connection with the Terms, the breach thereof, or the Upgrade or Purchaser’s subsequent use of a HashStaker shall be finally settled by confidential, binding arbitration in accordance with the American Arbitration Association's rules for arbitration of consumer-related disputes and you and Company hereby expressly waive trial by jury. The arbitration shall take place in New York, NY, in the English language and the arbitral decision may be enforced in any court. At your request, hearings may be conducted in person or by telephone and the arbitrator may provide for submitting and determining motions on briefs, without oral hearings. The prevailing party in any action or proceeding to enforce this agreement shall be entitled to costs and attorneys' fees. Additionally, you hereby waive your right to participate in a class action lawsuit or class-wide arbitration.
Prior to commencing arbitration, the parties have a duty to negotiate in good faith and attempt to resolve their dispute in a manner other than by submission to AAA arbitration.
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December 11, 2014, 01:22:57 PM
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For your enjoyment, I've joined the ranks of the shadow banned at HashTalk.   
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December 11, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
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For your enjoyment, I've joined the ranks of the shadow banned at HashTalk.   

and what you've got banned for? you were on their side as far as i know
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December 11, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
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For your enjoyment, I've joined the ranks of the shadow banned at HashTalk.   

and what you've got banned for? you were on their side as far as i know

Damn. I've never seen a forum that bans people so frequently.

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December 11, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
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i didn't even get shadow banned. i got outright banned and that was after josh stated i wouldn't. i was a long term member who never overstepped the mark although i saw through it and sold. i just had a moan a couple of days ago. then the asslickers started on me which pissed me off so i got angry. then banned. then i was unbanned. then banned again. i have rejoined 3 times and been banned again straight away
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December 11, 2014, 01:43:06 PM
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i didn't even get shadow banned. i got outright banned and that was after josh stated i wouldn't. i was a long term member who never overstepped the mark although i saw through it and sold. i just had a moan a couple of days ago. then the asslickers started on me which pissed me off so i got angry. then banned. then i was unbanned. then banned again. i have rejoined 3 times and been banned again straight away

Learn to suck Josh harder

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December 11, 2014, 01:45:25 PM
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i'm not gay you know.lol
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December 11, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
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Please please I implore you guys, you are sabotaging everything I have worked for, I have put everything into this to make it work so that I may retire and you guys are ruining it all for me.  Please refrain until the first round goes through and I promise you will never see me again.

Lol, nice trolling!
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December 11, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
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i'm not gay you know.lol

Not that there's anything wrong with it.
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December 11, 2014, 02:23:29 PM
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Does anyone else find their BS detector going off every time RootDude comes here?
This guy shows up, blasts everyone with his nastiness (he is much worse on HT where he belittles and bans at every turn)
defending GAW vociferously, while at the same time bailing out by selling his hashlets at fire sale prices
(he has been selling all he can for over a week now, usually in large lots and often at the cheapest prices on the market).

Edit:
He just put another $4,000 of hashlets up for sale at the lowest price out there.
Yeah this guy REALLY BELIEVES IN GAW.
ROFL
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December 11, 2014, 02:24:50 PM
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Yes, there is a huge red flag when people are willing to sacrifice themselves to protect a scam artist.

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December 11, 2014, 02:27:26 PM
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Does anyone else find their BS detector going off every time RootDude comes here?
This guy shows up, blasts everyone with his nastiness (he is much worse on HT where he belittles and bans at every turn)
defending GAW vociferously, while at the same time bailing out by selling his hashlets at fire sale prices
(he has been selling all he can for over a week now, usually in large lots and often at the cheapest prices on the market).

spread the wealth he said lol fck him i to got shadow ban today fck gaw
i made some ff7 references and jokes and a gesture i wanted to organise a mass dump at launch the gaw haters were up voteing me like nuts till pcfan followed my accou and i said i had no plans to stake only dump
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December 11, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
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Does anyone else find their BS detector going off every time RootDude comes here?
This guy shows up, blasts everyone with his nastiness (he is much worse on HT where he belittles and bans at every turn)
defending GAW vociferously, while at the same time bailing out by selling his hashlets at fire sale prices
(he has been selling all he can for over a week now, usually in large lots and often at the cheapest prices on the market).

spread the wealth he said lol fck him i to got shadow ban today fck gaw


Why did you get the shadow?
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December 11, 2014, 02:33:06 PM
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Does anyone else find their BS detector going off every time RootDude comes here?
This guy shows up, blasts everyone with his nastiness (he is much worse on HT where he belittles and bans at every turn)
defending GAW vociferously, while at the same time bailing out by selling his hashlets at fire sale prices
(he has been selling all he can for over a week now, usually in large lots and often at the cheapest prices on the market).

Edit:
He just put another $4,000 of hashlets up for sale at the lowest price out there.
Yeah this guy REALLY BELIEVES IN GAW.
ROFL

There will be a tipping point and when that occurs watch out. This thread will grow by leaps and bounds. The banning has increased and the loyal are jumping.. Soon GAW will be giving paycoins away. OH yea that's now.. Hashpoints are worthless and when you take  0 and you increase it 400X what does that = ? Huh
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December 11, 2014, 02:34:32 PM
Last edit: December 11, 2014, 03:00:03 PM by dekay
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i compared the mods to turks and soldier and called josh rufus haha and that we should form avalanche blood waterfalls at launch day and run to ltc gear by useing ff7 references i got a few extra trolls in till they understood wtf i was saying

rootdudes a joke but i actual feel bad for some of the community notice if there running such a large company why is it u get same tech support via phone and its always same assholes
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December 11, 2014, 02:38:07 PM
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Turok ftw

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