GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[inBitweTrust]

?? XPY = $13.10
    BTC = $308

One is dropping, the other isn't.

I think you are reading the markets wrong :

1    Cryptsy   XPY/BTC    $ 461,070   $ 12.09    67.29 %    Recently
2    Bittrex   XPY/BTC    $ 159,529   $ 12.11    23.28 %    Recently
3    Coin-Swap   XPY/BTC    $ 44,200   $ 11.93    6.45 %    Recently
4    Bitcoin Indonesia   XPY/BTC    $ 8,754   $ 12.33    1.28 %    Recently
5    AllCoin   XPY/BTC    $ 5,275   $ 12.08    0.77 %    Recently
6    C-CEX   XPY/BTC    $ 3,768   $ 12.09    0.55 %    Recently



 Bitcoin    BTC    $ 4,235,489,155    $ 309.94    13,665,425    $ 11,378,500    -0.97 %    -1.36 %    
PayCoin    XPY    $ 150,287,394    $ 12.19    12,325,711 **    $ 686,742    1.57 %    -11.62 %

[favelle75]

You know that with everything Josh does.. he is gathering BTC by the thousands.
He was probably the one who dumped 2000 XPY to gather more BTC.

Do you guys know how much BTC he owns? Its insane!
If he is dumping the BTC he is the reason why BTC is doing so badly.

I hope the feds raid gawminers soon because this is getting out of hand.

Don't worry...
Unlike with Paycoin , whales can dump Bitcoin all they want and it can "absorb" it. BTC is certainly doing far better than paycoin2 at the momment -
PayCoin (XPY)  $ 12.09 (-12.35 %)

?? XPY = $13.10
    BTC = $308

One is dropping, the other isn't.

Don't compare your shitcoin to BTC.

Paycoin has a CEO without high school education.
Incompetent coders
A slut secretary who is married to one of the coders

And thats the gaw team.

I hope they all see life in prison.

Errmmm...look at the post I was responding to genius. He was the one making the comparison, thanks.

[inBitweTrust]

Errmmm...look at the post I was responding to genius. He was the one making the comparison, thanks.

Before you criticize either of us , double check your false statements.

[favelle75]

?? XPY = $13.10
    BTC = $308

One is dropping, the other isn't.

I think you are reading the markets wrong :

1    Cryptsy   XPY/BTC    $ 461,070   $ 12.09    67.29 %    Recently
2    Bittrex   XPY/BTC    $ 159,529   $ 12.11    23.28 %    Recently
3    Coin-Swap   XPY/BTC    $ 44,200   $ 11.93    6.45 %    Recently
4    Bitcoin Indonesia   XPY/BTC    $ 8,754   $ 12.33    1.28 %    Recently
5    AllCoin   XPY/BTC    $ 5,275   $ 12.08    0.77 %    Recently
6    C-CEX   XPY/BTC    $ 3,768   $ 12.09    0.55 %    Recently



 Bitcoin    BTC    $ 4,235,489,155    $ 309.94    13,665,425    $ 11,378,500    -0.97 %    -1.36 %    
PayCoin    XPY    $ 150,287,394    $ 12.19    12,325,711 **    $ 686,742    1.57 %    -11.62 %

All I get on Cryptsy is:

 USD Markets
BTC/USD 315.00000000
DOGE/USD 0.00017877
DRK/USD 1.88284113
FTC/USD 0.02789999
LTC/USD 2.69000005
NXT/USD 0.01872000
PPC/USD 0.63785495
RDD/USD 0.00002830
XPY/USD 13.10555574
XRP/USD 0.02360000

[strangerdanger101]

Surprise Surprise

[inBitweTrust]

?? XPY = $13.10
    BTC = $308

One is dropping, the other isn't.

I think you are reading the markets wrong :

1    Cryptsy   XPY/BTC    $ 461,070   $ 12.09    67.29 %    Recently
2    Bittrex   XPY/BTC    $ 159,529   $ 12.11    23.28 %    Recently
3    Coin-Swap   XPY/BTC    $ 44,200   $ 11.93    6.45 %    Recently
4    Bitcoin Indonesia   XPY/BTC    $ 8,754   $ 12.33    1.28 %    Recently
5    AllCoin   XPY/BTC    $ 5,275   $ 12.08    0.77 %    Recently
6    C-CEX   XPY/BTC    $ 3,768   $ 12.09    0.55 %    Recently



 Bitcoin    BTC    $ 4,235,489,155    $ 309.94    13,665,425    $ 11,378,500    -0.97 %    -1.36 %    
PayCoin    XPY    $ 150,287,394    $ 12.19    12,325,711 **    $ 686,742    1.57 %    -11.62 %

All I get on Cryptsy is:

 USD Markets
BTC/USD 315.00000000
DOGE/USD 0.00017877
DRK/USD 1.88284113
FTC/USD 0.02789999
LTC/USD 2.69000005
NXT/USD 0.01872000
PPC/USD 0.63785495
RDD/USD 0.00002830
XPY/USD 13.10555574
XRP/USD 0.02360000

Ok, I see you are mixing up currency pairs. Reread my original statemnt and than you will understand why I am using    XPY/BTC and not XPY/USD

[bitpop]

Favelle go back to Cuba you ignorant troll

[JoostB]

Nice read!

https://hashtalk.org/topic/26504/a-reply-to-josh-s-answer-that-escalated-into-a-thread-my-take-of-operation-ponzi-honest-and-great-company-i-say-both

[bitpop]

Nice read!

https://hashtalk.org/topic/26504/a-reply-to-josh-s-answer-that-escalated-into-a-thread-my-take-of-operation-ponzi-honest-and-great-company-i-say-both

Where's Josh to ban his fudding a$$??

[inBitweTrust]

Nice read!

https://hashtalk.org/topic/26504/a-reply-to-josh-s-answer-that-escalated-into-a-thread-my-take-of-operation-ponzi-honest-and-great-company-i-say-both

Good read , and some likely accurate statements there but the title is false and a sign of lingering cognitive dissonance.
You cannot be honest and great company if you were a dishonest ponzi over a great deal of time.

A Reply to Josh's answer that escalated into a thread! My take of Operation! Ponzi? Honest and great company? I say both

I like this small company of Josh, but sometimes I feel like you guys talk out of both sides of your mouth! And it is so true! I wanted to go to the old paycoin website for evidence where you guys stated that Paycoin will be sold and bought for $20. And don't argue with me here, it was there! If you felt like putting it there that time then be a man and put it there now too. (I am sorry I cannot get the evidence, GAW changed the semi-decent website to some cheap site that even shi*coins beat)

And basically now when your industry revolutionizing super-duper payment mega-computer financial system after months of work involving many (as you said it and I always LAUGHED so hard on this: "Industry leading companies that we bought) - no you did not... fails to launch on time you start claiming that we had a 3x upside on Paycoin because we bough it at $4 and now it is $12 on exchanges!!! No that is not true you claimed and stated that the price floor will be established at $20. So stop talking out both of your mouth here!

(Also now that I feel like showing some light to your company, there is one more doubt in me that I feel is true, and that is the very creation of Paycoin!!!!!!

Back in the day whenever you guys were accused of being a ponzi scheme you guys come up with some 5th amendment BS up until the day when you guys purchased 5PH from a mining company. After that you guys posted on every site proudly that here it is: look at the confirmation from this developer we have 5PH. and then the pictures with the mining operations started to come. and Paycoin was announced which as you guys figured out needed some power to be mined in the early stages!!

So here is my take: You guys did not have the power to support all the users on zencloud, it was a huge ponzi after a while and you guys needed an out: So you guys introduced Hashcoin and made us mine HP (I know you guys NOT made us, but don't you use that against me, the reason everyone switched to HP mining is that your zenpool payouts were RIDICULOUSLY low -- further sign of the ponzi scheme, lowering payouts.)

So then everyone started mining basically NOTHING and then you guys extended that NOTHING 3 times just to get you guys some time to actually set up the 5PH mining operation and cover the lies and doubts.

After this you guys introduced Paycoin and then asked us for all the help to actually make Paycoin what it is now. Your version of the White Paper was a joke and when educated people told you that you guys let them do the hard work and let them fix the issues.

After that the whole mistery regarding the very limited hashstaker slots and the LIE that you guys don;t know how many Prime Controllers will be yours -- I am gonna say it: all the controllers are yours and a ridiculous amount of Paycoin is in your hands as premine!!!! and then regular mining too!!!

For some reason you guys were able to convert all solos and zens to stakers and even after that you guys put stakers on sale in the market!!!!!

I know that at some parts I was too harsh but you guys, JOSH, know that at some parts I was generous not to dig deeper.

anyways so when you say that when some long time users including myself lose a little faith in your very shady and questionable operations because of the failure to launch your industry revolutionizing Paybase on time you ARE MISSING THE POINT: We lost a little faith because of all the shady and questionable things you guys have done in the past!

Day by day I get more and more concerned about the future of Paycoin! If you want to change things maybe you should fire all the "Industry Innovator trolls" working for you and actually, but Josh for real now, hire and acquire companies with dev teams that can actually do the work! Also make your company less shady! It might not be that bad for us in crypto, but for a regular user???!!!! Whenever I mentioned GAW to a friend of mine he checked it out and jsut left it there telling me that DUDE! Is this a joke? I am so confused! What is this company even doing!

You guys should make your websites more user friendly and noob oriented with a lot more FAQ !

lets put some company members here, I would love to see there 1 sentence comments, in which they turn around a not important part of my thread and use it against me! @GAWCEO @GAW_Amber @GAW_GM

[JoostB]

Where's Josh to ban his fudding a$$??

Josh knows he is fighting a losing battle and that the end is near.
He probably just gave up.

[suchmoon]

?? XPY = $13.10
    BTC = $308

One is dropping, the other isn't.

All I get on Cryptsy is:

 USD Markets
BTC/USD 315.00000000
DOGE/USD 0.00017877
DRK/USD 1.88284113
FTC/USD 0.02789999
LTC/USD 2.69000005
NXT/USD 0.01872000
PPC/USD 0.63785495
RDD/USD 0.00002830
XPY/USD 13.10555574
XRP/USD 0.02360000

Your own quote shows BTC at 315, why did you post 308 earlier? XPY/USD on Cryptsy has no volume, last trade was 4 hours ago. Current highest bid is 11.75.

Would you like to revise and correct your statement?

[strangerdanger101]

So here is my take: You guys did not have the power to support all the users on zencloud, it was a huge ponzi after a while and you guys needed an out: So you guys introduced Hashcoin and made us mine HP (I know you guys NOT made us, but don't you use that against me, the reason everyone switched to HP mining is that your zenpool payouts were RIDICULOUSLY low -- further sign of the ponzi scheme, lowering payouts.)

So then everyone started mining basically NOTHING and then you guys extended that NOTHING 3 times just to get you guys some time to actually set up the 5PH mining operation and cover the lies and doubts.

After this you guys introduced Paycoin and then asked us for all the help to actually make Paycoin what it is now. Your version of the White Paper was a joke and when educated people told you that you guys let them do the hard work and let them fix the issues.

After that the whole mistery regarding the very limited hashstaker slots and the LIE that you guys don;t know how many Prime Controllers will be yours -- I am gonna say it: all the controllers are yours and a ridiculous amount of Paycoin is in your hands as premine!!!! and then regular mining too!!!

For some reason you guys were able to convert all solos and zens to stakers and even after that you guys put stakers on sale in the market!!!!!

This sums it all up, finally one of the lemmings can see the forest through the trees.  No one believes in this coin because it goes against everything everyone in crypto feels passionate about which is decentralization.  When you have one single person that can manipulate everything who is obviously motivated by greed then why would anyone have faith in Paycoin other than to make a quick buck outside of that its doomed to fail, because there is no super duper innovation behind the coin so advanced that no one can understand it, they've proven that with the incompetency of being able to meet a simple deadline/deadlines how could they have created a coin so advanced it can't even be explained.

[dave01]

Your all just goin round in circles barkin at each other
utter maddness
yes none of this makes sense
stop barkin and think
wots the agenda?

[bitpop]

Your all just goin round in circles barkin at each other
utter maddness
yes none of this makes sense
stop barkin and think
wots the agenda?

Homero + Bitcoin + Brazil

 ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)

[inBitweTrust]

wots the agenda?

GAWs agenda is clearly stated in the threads title- ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)

There is nothing wrong with making profit and investing, unless it is done through dishonesty like GAW is doing.

Our agenda is to :
1) warn others so they don't lose money
2) document and archive the evidence for further legal and social justice
3) study and learn from GAWS mistakes (but not with the intention of creating another ponzi)
4) many are fascinated in the unfolding of this mystery or enjoy a good laugh

[crushed]

What a freaking disaster

Looks like I called it a few pages back 

I think it was actually called over 500 pages ago...

[WaffleMaster]

I was working overnight...I get paid to sleep. So I missed Paybase and I'm on my phone right now. Can somebody explain what's going on?

[AnimoEsto]

I was working overnight...I get paid to sleep. So I missed Paybase and I'm on my phone right now. Can somebody explain what's going on?

Nothings going on - Paybase is delayed.....

[inBitweTrust]

He's put us in a box with nothing but smoke and mirrors
that's why it dosn't make sense
He is not going to run away from this, there would be nowhere for him to hide
How is he going to carry out Gaws agenda?

He is trying to use marketing and propaganda to trick his clients into raising the floor from 12 to 20 for him and than he doesn't have to cover the spread. He will keep buying more time to keep this ponzi going and even if paybase opens today there will be many excuses given (that he is already using) like KYC and API unfinished to refuse people from withdrawing and realizing the 20 usd promise. It is also possible that in a fit of desperation that he will briefly spend some of his own clients investments and briefly raise the floor to 20 usd to make a point but it won't last.

There are no excuses why he doesn't use his bots right now to raise the floor on all the exchanges with his 100 million in investment capital sitting to facilitate just that other than his goal is not to spend his own clients BTC , but for others to do the heavy lifting for him.

I genuinely think that he has the hubris to assume that his marketing can raise the floor by itself..... which is highly unlikely.

If you already have XPY I would suggest you cash out now and lock in any profits or losses while you can, or get ready to pull a quick sale if the price breifly rebounds but doing so is a gamble.

Remember from the Mtgox example ... trading XPY for BTC placeholders does not mean you will be able to withdraw or spend those funds. Those are all just numbers in a database that can be manipulated. The whole point of crypto-currency is the ability to remove counter party risk and trusting centralized banks... you do not own any currency if it is stored as IOU's with Paybase or locked up in a hashstaker.