◥TALK◥15%◣bitcointalk(💬) est✪2014★yr4✪ [btc]💬

[BitcoinNational]

https://yobit.net/en/trade/TALK/BTC
TALK / BTC Last: 0.00000880 24High: 0.00003000 24Low: 0.00000500 24V: 0.71 BTC

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[BitcoinNational]

@lethos3

You're all good.  Pls, forgive my misjudgement.
Clearly not the average n00b.  You've demonstrated merit and some understanding of the crypto scene.
Keep up the good work!

'Quote Of The Day' thread by lethos3 >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1524590.new#new

[BitcoinNational]

internal QoD

All I know is you cannot do a proof of stakes without resorting to premine
is it possible to do a full pos without a premine..

What is not earned is not appreciated.  This is why proof of stake is fundamentally broken.  It attempts to create something for nothing.  
  
At least in proof-of-work someone needs to be doing the work, even if its just a solo processor mining

agree/disagree

longer POW phase (+12 months)
seem legit enough.

BLK is clear king of the realm with the ninja and many have copied that model.

but the POW/POS hybrids that are still ticking with (+12 months) stand to benefit well.  i like schemes like T3K, but too 'hyper'.  HTML5 held promise but has weird premine hidden.  DMD has an awesome original algo, but has been tinkered with and now features 'elite' wallets or whatever.

The coolest cat in the building is CBX, but still struggling, despite being +3yrs old and POW/POS hybrid.

[groggin]

What is not earned is not appreciated.  This is why proof of stake is fundamentally broken.  It attempts to create something for nothing.  
  
At least in proof-of-work someone needs to be doing the work, even if its just a solo processor mining

  pure bullshit.
anyone who thinks staking coins is labor free is someone who has not bothered to try staking, imo

example:
1. decrypt cold storage and open blockchain folder
2. copy folder to C:/appdata/roaming (after unhiding hidden folders/files)
3. start wallet
    a. (sometimes/fairly often) find out wallet needs to be upgraded
    b. no connections so you need search bitcointalk to get a nodes list and edit the .conf
4. endure low cpu availability for a long time while the wallet syncs
5. endure stupid popup notifications for even longer
6. reap the benefits
7. stop the wallet
8. backup the wallet to several devices
9. decrypt cold storage and move the roaming folder back
10. rinse, & repeat

[BitcoinNational]

To stake any POS of 'value' market capwise it takes lots of research and investing $$$ to buy a 'stake' that stakes.

And any and all POS coins require work.  Time and effort is required.  (itemized list above)

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I've said it before, and will say again TALK is one of few clients that I can stake and still use the PC.  Most staking clients require full use of the mem and cpu.

So in theory all market traded POS will eventually be only staked by miners that spend the time, effort, and money to run a dedicated node.  That's a known commodity ... about $5/month ... plus it takes labor ... say 5 hrs per month ($75) ... if you pencil cost to mine any coin in the future:

$80/month^{*wild guess}
(does not include the SEED money invest to acquire a stakeable unit)
(( so POS will be just like POW except mineable via common hardware instead of exotic/complex/EXPENSIVE hardware ))
(((( so POS is much more 'egalitarian' )))

There is no free lunch any more in POS
You got to earn your coins.

Here's an ad thread for Rimbit ... Bitcoins greatest asset has gone forever! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1520050.0 ... I'm not supporting Rim ... but I do support this opinion that 'promise' of mass distribution network/coin is a good idea and POS offer a return to that ethic.
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"What is not earned is not appreciated. "

If I had to guess the understanding/meaning ...  POW require competitive trails and reward the strongest ... which has turned full scale industrial ... the reward goes to the elite few able to invest millions into mining operations.

POS can be staked on simple under $50 devices.  Burn little electricity.  (so they are an obvious enemy to the POW model).

So yes coins like MINT, RDD, and BLK made a few guys sorta rich with instant mine tokens turning to gold.   Then 100s of copy cats followed suit ... that BOON has been over since 2014.

The BUST is still on going.  And the new scam is ICO, which is 100% absolute premine garbage.  

I think there will be a 2nd wave of POS launches in the aftermath of this ICO idiocy.

And I hope that the 2014-2015 'survivor' POS coins lead the field.

[groggin]

   hey - l00k what i found ...

                                  https://novaexchange.com/market/LTC_TALK/

[BitcoinNational]

https://novaexchange.com/market/BTC_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/LTC_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/DOGE_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/ESP_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/ARI_TALK/



https://yobit.net/en/trade/TALK/BTC

[George5]

https://novaexchange.com/market/BTC_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/DOGE_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/ESP_TALK/
https://novaexchange.com/market/ARI_TALK/

Haha, who could've known

Anyways, looks like the most alive market is https://yobit.net/en/trade/TALK/BTC

[Abiky]

would like to up-date suggested POS coins

i'm negative on

CON, some sneaking hardfork in the works, but if it sticks to the OG algo i still like
Amber, don't know much about it other than was backed by a commodity but still has lost +50% cap, so i guess not backed
Super, call it lack of confidence, but if other support it, okay fine

i'd like to add
WHIPPED = nice network numbers
PAC = shit client but growing trade popularity
PIG
MEDIC
SQL
STV

pls suggest others

suggested POS coins by TALK community

Coin....................	Rate of Return................................	Developer
Ambercoin	7% per year	AmberCoinDev
BitBean	1000 per block	TeamBean
Blackcoin	1% per year	Rat4
Bottlecaps	200% per year, cap 1000per block	Tranz
BTCTalkcoin	15% per year	No Dev at the moment
Bumba	r=2 speed=60sec	BumbaCoin
CBX	PoSParticipate (6%-12%) 1hr. min	?
CON	?% per year	?
Diamond	25% per year	Danbi
HoboNickels	2% every 10 Days, cap 250 per block	Tranz
HYP	750%(theoretical?) actual earn ~68.43%	presstab
JBS	8%, min 8 hrs, no max age but max r=4	jyap
Kobo	10% per year	TheTribesman
MetalMusic	?% per year	mamamae
Mint	10% per year, 5% in 2017	Fuzzbawls
Netcoin	Coin Amt determines between 20% - 45% per year	Netcoin Foundation
Noblecoin	8% per year	EagleFlies
Pandacoin	2.5% per year	No Dev at the moment
PhilosopherStone	50% per year	Palmdetroit / No Dev
Piggy	?% per year	?
Pot	?% per year	?
Sprouts	10% per 5 Days	No Dev at the moment
Supercoin	5% per year	Griffin
T3k	~20 to 40% per month	Noise23
TOP	?% per year	topcoindude
Truckcoin	200% per year, cap 200 per block	Noise23
TurboStake	2.74% per 2 days	No Dev at the moment
ZEIT	15% per year, 5% in 2017	Rent_a_Ray

Actually, the above list has helped me choose the ideal coin to stake. I've always thought that with HyperStake you could earn 750% interest annually, but thanks to the list now I know that it was too good to be true and it was just an actual rate of 68.43%. Still, I would stake some of these coins in a VPS for non stop 24/7 stake earnings.

BTCTalkcoin is a great coin too, but I'm waiting until we get a solid exchange in order to buy and hold a stash of these coins. I just wish that it could get added to Cryptopia, Safe-CEX, or Bittrex at least. 

[PeterI]

One more coin to the list:
Novacoin  25% per year  Balthazar

[Abiky]

One more coin to the list:
Novacoin  25% per year  Balthazar

Good to know. It is always good to have coins like these on the list since they have a high stake rate per year. Now I will check this out among my list of PoS coins to stake. So far, Diamond, Novacoin and Hyperstake are my most favorite PoS coins. (also TALKcoin too)

I have finished setting up the VPS GUI so now I am ready to put these coins to the test. In my opinion, I think that staking coins is better than mining them due to their energy efficiency. 

[wsmolive]

no sync??

[BitcoinNational]

STEEM    $ 234,800,893    $ 2.86    82,045,430    

... hum ... TALK ... same concept ... better initial distro ... less tokens

The main concept was still is / getting TALK into the hands of vetted bitcointalk.org members.

I haven't a clue on how STEEM was distributed, but I have an idea on what they'll face in the market after such a massive pump ... for having posted just a few stories ... writers are holding +$50k in psuedo coins *see the terms*

Mean while TALK has survived the crypto apocalypse, thrice, and the goodguy bitcointalk.org members are much easier to verify and establish our own form of 'steam' to fuel content makers ... now we just need to find a way to raise 1/100th of what STEEM has ... create some side projects that help manage and add more channels to the bitcointalk.org thing and you got STEEM but it's called TALK and it focuses on what ever it is that we do here ... which is create, launch, trade, and discuss all that is crypto

[BitcoinNational]

back on the board
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/btctalkcoin/#markets

[George5]

According to the block explorer there are around 2.5-3mln coins in circulation! The rest seem to be buried somewhere in Polo wallets

[BitcoinNational]

The Polo wallets are the most interesting thing about TALK.

The chain is very public.  Always has been.

The question is how many of those accounts have passwords to login?
TALK was lost in the haze of 2014, most air drop receivers rushed to Polo and sold it off, or deposited it there (as type of webwallet) and forgot all about it.

The probability is high that most if not more, of the Polo accounts are basically .. burned.
The probability is low that Polo will re-open their TALK trade, but it is still a possibility, since either they must keep a sync'd client to allow withdraws or keep a sync'd client to allow deposits & withdraws ... aka ... trade. tldr; TALK has got a toe still in the door.

[BitcoinNational]

new POS

"ONEC"
Total coins: 4.5 million
PoW timespan: 7 days
Algorithm: x13
No Pre-mine or IPO
PoW block reward: 496, PoS 6%
Mining will stop after 10080 blocks (7 days)
PoS minimum stake age: 3 hours, Max age unlimited
Block time: 60 seconds
PoSA³ Trustless Anonymous
http://madeby.one/

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7 day POW ... advice extreme caution on that

BOUNTY for 20 TALK when was this coin launched?

[BitcoinNational]

https://novaexchange.com/addnodes/TALK/

nice new feature

[BitcoinNational]

https://novaexchange.com/dice/

dice is also nice

[BitcoinNational]

w00f!

https://novaexchange.com/market/DOGE_TALK/