◥TALK◥15%◣bitcointalk(💬) est✪2014★yr4✪ [btc]💬

[EBK1000]

New Road Map for 2016 by BITZ

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1234442

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[BitcoinNational]

cool BITZ

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What happens in a typical proof of stake system if a vast majority of the coins are burned?

POS difficulty goes down, nothing more.
Same as if vast majority was not staking.

IW

pm your TALK addie IW

[BitcoinNational]

But about what happens to ALTs ... well the die off is hard and fast already ... if you don't have clue on the actually FLO of value already and are not currently positioned in the right flow channels then DINOSAUReX ... but by July? ... well the wise to the wisdom of events ahead are already wise to what happens NXT ... BTC will hit a high note then drop the BASS hard and low mos def ... so ALTs (still existent) are a safe harbor granted they know how to protect market cap in such situations.

YEAR 2015 signing off.

PUBLIC SIDE CHAINS (what is the year of 2016?)

[BitcoinNational]

POS
zeit rates drop ... also mandatory wallet update?

FYI:
Now Less than 2 Days of the 20% Rate remaining.

ZEIT rate change to 15%.  
And ~ year from that , down to the final forever 5% rate.

[BitcoinNational]

stakes project
top rated staking coins  //stage ONE.3334 // v4.123.01.01.16

PENDING EDITS

TALK RDD BUMBA WHIP INFLUX VNL DMD CBX ZEIT BEEZ tri truck cach sprout opal ok hal orb t3k apex pot pig
http://talk.explorer.bitnodes.net/


--POS--A grade

BLK : Rat4 is the coin dev, David is the Halo dev, Obsidian developer JP Richardson
(PoS 3.0 static) r=1.5 BLK + fees
http://blackcoin.co/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/ (mostly there)
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/3cfvaa/static_pos_reward_is_coming/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/

RDD
https://www.reddcoin.com/
https://reddcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423597.msg9842337#msg9842337
http://live.reddcoin.com/

PP
http://peercoin.net/
https://www.peercointalk.org/
https://wiki.peercointalk.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://www.peerbox.me/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793142.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ppc/

NOVA
https://novaco.in/
https://nvcbank.com/ (1.5% per 30 days) legit?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143221.0
https://explorer.novaco.in/

DMD
http://bit.diamonds/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/

POT
http://www.potcoin.com/
http://www.potcoinjoint.com/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426324.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pot/

XPY ... rebounding
https://xpy.io/
https://www.paycointalk.org
http://paycoinprice.com/
https://paycoin.asia/index/index.php
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/

CBX
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951753.new#new

XMG  v1.2.2.1
http://coinmagi.org/
https://www.magipool.info/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735170.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xmg/
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/XMG_BTC
https://www.m-epays.com/
http://www.m-talk.org/
http://144.172.195.249:8080/magilotto/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xmg/#!overview (5000+)

VNL

--alts--b grade

ruby ... it is red hot but too hot on HOLD until next buyin
http://www.rubycoin.org/ http://www.absolutebit.com/ (dice)

clam ... likely will see a dip below $1M
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.0
http://clamclient.com/ http://clamsight.com/ (stake = 1clam/block?)
http://khashier.com/chain/Clam

CBX
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951753.new#new

NET --> (v 2.3.1)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745323.0
http://netcoinfoundation.org/  --- untrusted certs !
http://development.netcoinfoundation.org/
http://forum.netcoinfoundation.org/  

PnD --> (3.0.2.0)
Pnd https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1202623.0
http://digitalpandacoin.org/
http://dev.digitalpandacoin.org/
www.pandacoin.ml
Exchanges:
https://bleutrade.com/exchange/PND/BTC
https://yobit.net/en/trade/PND/BTC
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange
https://bx.in.th/BTC/PND/
Blockchain:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pnd/
Faucets:
https://cryptospout.com/faucet/PND.html
http://pnd.bleufaucet.com/
Links:
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pandacoin-pnd/
https://twitter.com/PandacoinTeam

T3K  ---> 2.3.0.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320404.0
http://tekcoin.org
https://www.blockexperts.com/tek
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/TEK/index.php
http://tek.blockchain.lt/
https://twitter.com/TEKcoins
http://www.reddit.com/r/tekcoins

HYP   --->
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678849.0
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/HYP/
https://hyp.crypocoinexplorer.com (dead)
Bittrex - HYP/BTC
Cryptsy - HYP/BTC
Poloniex - HYP/BTC
Poloniex - HYP/XMR
BX.in.th - HYP/BTC
Askcoin - HYP/BTC
Cryptopia - HYP/BTC
http://www.hyperstake.com
https://www.facebook.com/hyperstake
https://www.facebook.com/hyperstakeindonesia
http://www.reddit.com/r/hyperstake/
https://twitter.com/hyperstake

OK    ---> v3.0.0.0-core v3
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028368.0
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/39002-ann-ok-ok-cryptocurrency-okcash-efficient-crypto-pos/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/
http://www.okcash.co/
http://updates.okcash.co/
http://forum.okcash.co/
http://paperwallets.okcash.co/
http://okcash.explorer.rocks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/OKCash
https://voat.co/v/ok
https://twitter.com/OKCashCrypto
https://trello.com/b/kCwVr0C0/okcash-public-roadmap

PIG --- >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=633803.0
http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=3672.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/piggy/    476M  
http://piggy-coin.com
http://piggyfacts.com/ (quiz faucet)
https://piggy-coin.com/PiggyCoinb.in/  (multi sig)
http://www.cryptoblox.com/faucets/PiggyCoin/
https://www.piggy-coin.com/piggycoin-educational-seed-fund/
https://www.piggy-coin.com/amillionreasons-youcanlearnanything-khanacademy/

NOB
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.msg12537741#msg12537741 (nobnxt) / dmds / kingscrown / ROFO
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/
https://www.noblemovement.com/
https://marketplace.noblemovement.com/  --no trust certs--

WC ---> V1.1.2.2 === 2%/90sec 300M
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=804288.0
http://whitecoin.info/
http://www.richlist.eu/whitecoin/
WhiteCoin Public Relations Team Leader - surfguy72@whitecoin.info

MIL ___ 376addresses/8connections
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006799.msg12532444#msg12532444
http://www.millenniumcoin.net/
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_mil
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mil/#

SLG
http://sterlingcoin.guru/

SILK
http://www.tsu.co/Silkcoin

FAIL
MICRo
fly

diem
https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_diem
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588310.0

bumba
http://bumbacoin.blogspot.com.au/

COLos
https://www.colossuscoin.org/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492392.0

CON
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937480.0
http://payconnection.info/
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/paycon/
https://con.gethashing.com
http://blockexperts.com/con

APEX
SPRT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103868.0  https://blockexperts.com/sprt  www.sproutcoin.org
BITZ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=954125.0 ##btz
STV
ANAL=APRIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/anal/#!crypto
APRIL http://www.digital-currency-world.com/2015/12/13/introducing-aprilcoin-xap/
APRIL http://www.digital-currency-world.com

SLG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721936.4340


--alts--c grade
http://www.sonic-coin.com/
http://ambercoin.info/ http://amber-trade.com/ambercoin/ http://ambercoin.info/
http://aboutshadow.com/
http://hobonickels.info/
http://hyperstake.com/
http://bitbaymarket.net/#
http://iocoin.io/
https://horizonplatform.io/
NET
FLY
FLT
XXX http://xxxcoin.co/
ARCH https://archcoin.co/
FUEL http://fuelcrypto.com/
FUEL https://thecryptostore.com/index.php
MINT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450381.0
MINT http://www.linuxmint.com/index.php
DOPE
MJ
CCN

--POS--d grade

gcr
CAPT http://explore.captcoin.com/  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683776.0
ERC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901605.0
TRON
CRAVE
ULTRA
ICE  http://icb.22web.org/?ckattempt=1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715403.0

NKT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896354.0 http://nakamotodark.com/
GP http://goldpieces.net/
ice
sql
growth

--alts--f grade
ARCH
FUEL
FAIR
NUE ... massive premine on hold for at least 36 months to see if scam or legit


--alts--z grade
ruby https://chainz.cryptoid.info/rby/
veri https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/  http://www.vericoin.info/
dmd https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/
efl https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/
hyper https://chainz.cryptoid.info/hyper/  http://hypercrypto.com/
i/o https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ioc/
xpy https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/
arch https://chainz.cryptoid.info/arch/
bay https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/
mint https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mint/
hyper https://chainz.cryptoid.info/hyper/  http://hypercrypto.com/
efl https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/
asia https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ac/
pnd https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pnd/
zeit https://chainz.cryptoid.info/zeit/
jbs https://chainz.cryptoid.info/jbs/
flt https://chainz.cryptoid.info/flt/
opal https://chainz.cryptoid.info/opal/
oc https://chainz.cryptoid.info/oc/
lxc https://chainz.cryptoid.info/lxc/
fibre https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fibre/
pink https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pink/
ccn https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ccn/  hanging 3hrs
gp https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gp/
ok https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/
pig https://chainz.cryptoid.info/piggy/
apex https://chainz.cryptoid.info/apex/ EXPIRED
tri https://chainz.cryptoid.info/tri/
silk https://chainz.cryptoid.info/silk/
mne https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mne/
gb https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gb/

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/ADC/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CAP/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/paycon/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/DMD/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/FLT/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/FLY/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/HYP/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/ldoge/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/mint/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/net/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/nbl/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/tek/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/trk/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/viral/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/xra/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/zeit/richlist.php

All 407924   POT 211,574,945 POT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pot/#!rich
All 059552   J 1,909,170 J https://chainz.cryptoid.info/j/#!rich
All 033178   BLK 75,039,443 BC https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/#!rich
All 021989   GP 1,160,908 GP https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gp/#!rich
All 020914   MINT 22,173,833,600 MINT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mint/#!rich
All 006634   FLT 274,840,551 FLT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/flt/#!rich
All 004474   DMD 1,331,225 DMD https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/#!rich
All 002400   BCC 63M TALK
All 002390   BITB 979,859,000 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bitb/#!rich
All 002118   SILK 43,653,590 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/silk/#!rich
All 001947   MIN 27,341,568 MIN https://chainz.cryptoid.info/min/#!rich
All 001605   RBY 22,309,988 RBY https://chainz.cryptoid.info/rby/#!rich
All 001281   BTZ 1,967,566 BITZ https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bitz/#!rich
All 001082   OK 57,272,131 OK https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/#!rich
All 000759   FEUL 100,621,013 FUEL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fuel/#!rich
All 000855   BAY https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/#!rich
All 000676   JBS 3,461,776 JBS https://chainz.cryptoid.info/jbs/#!rich
All 000605   TRI 59,898 TRI https://chainz.cryptoid.info/tri/#!rich
All 000637   MARYJ 15,382,969 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/maryj/#!rich  XXXX
All 000502   ANAL 192,523 ANAL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/anal/#!rich  XXXX
All 000529   GB 21,554,641 GB https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gb/#!rich       XXXX
All 000376   MILL 946,555 MIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mil/#!rich
All 000269   FAIL 18,622,316 FAIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fail/#!rich
NOONOONOONOO https://chainz.cryptoid.info/noo/#!rich

[BitcoinNational]

GreenCoin goes POS
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=957976.0

[groggin]

                      
    thanks to luckyenough56 for the pic
[edit] click the pic for an updated version

[BitcoinNational]

thanks groggin!  remind me on the bounty amount ... too lazy to re-read the thread

new to VNL and would have to agree "minimalism" is the way to describe it.
i think it is a little too geeky, but no need to have a more 'mainstream' wallet until it establishes a solid $2M.
WHY i like it "minimalism" it is very easy on sys resources (light weight) ... the blockchain (appox 0.99GB) downloaded very fast.
it will win a major share of the 'stakers'  get to that $2M and join the BIG COIN club ... that's where scale and zerotime thing is exciting ... that's rocket fuel to hit the ETH_DOGE levels! 

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random

c-cex has a hero account, per the rules guess he could have a fist full of TALK ... just needs to ask

Welcome!

[groggin]

  ^you mean reward incentive?

  it started at 0% and scales to 40% of the PoW block reward over about a year. atm the amt. per reward is 9.773662VNL. my SP recieves from 0 - 6 rewards/day  

[BitcoinNational]

cry report


not on the list
eth xrp dash
ruby clam xpy btcd
tek jbs dem digi xpm
ppc mec anon csc
hobo cap cbx ixc

[BitcoinNational]

services

I have experience creating blockchain bootstrap.dat files, and
am offering a service to create a bootstrap file for any altcoin.

Examples:
Archcoin - https://mega.nz/#F!UxFGFDyY!sbyQqeLXJtzLh8vuDUKVGQ
Blitzcoin - https://mega.nz/#F!ohFQEDQQ!6OB2S2hP2hh72Mk301M_ZA

Cost: BTC0.01

PM if interested

[BitcoinNational]

random (very)

NutCoin: The Digital Cash

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

S01E01 : The Genesis
S01E02 : The Sanctuary
S01E03 : The Oath

S01E04 : The Factory   <<  YOU'RE WATCHING THIS
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397938.msg6050542#msg6050542

S01E05 : The Guardian
S01E06 : The Exchange

S02E01 : The Mission
S02E02 : The Evangelist
S02E03 : The Foundation
S02E04 : The Secret Weapon
S02E05 : The Army
S02E06 : The Art Of War

S03E01 : The Anarchy
S03E02 : The Church
S03E03 : The State
S03E04 : The Laws
S03E05 : The Freedom
S03E06 : The Promised Land

Scarcity Principle

An economic principle in which a limited supply of a good, coupled with a high demand for that good, results in a mismatch between the desired supply and demand equilibrium. In pricing theory, the scarcity principle suggests that the price for a scarce good should rise until an equilibrium is reached between supply and demand.

How to get nutcoins?

It is not recommended to trade NUT in online exchanges before the currency is widely used and well established. We hope NUT value will stay correlated to "what you can buy with it". The recommended price for 1 NUT started at $0.0001 and is now around $0.001 USD.

Website: http://www.nutcoin.com/
Disclaimer:
NutCoin has nothing to do with masonic things. We just love square, compass and nuts.

[groggin]

shoot as I am typing Bumba provides pre-cog answer 8D

( PM addies for bounties )

shortlist of POS coins i'm liking for 2016
BUMBA
VNL
CBX
DMD
cach (yes old dust bunny is staking nice these days)
t3k
jbs
pot
pig
rdd
whipped
influx
... more to come ... feel free to share too!

Thanks for the like and the recommendation BitcoinNational!!

I will be hosting a giveaway within the IRC chat using CBX's client 2.1.1 http://cryptobullion.io/storage-use/ within the next hour or so>

Please use the bootstrap file on the download page to quickly get up to sync.

CBX is one of the most important coins of the future, and of finance and holding of personal wealth http://cryptobullion.io/white-paper/

Link to your IRC ?

EDIT found it : http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptobullion

congrats out to crunck who is new dev of Hamradio coin! congrats dude  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856464.msg13440327#msg13440327

[BitcoinNational]

good news for HAM, cool project too  

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CBX's new wallet has IRC built in, plus new POS system, so check it out.


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in other news
7 Years of Bitcoin: Genesis Block Mined 2009-01-03 18:15:05

[BitcoinNational]

What is the difference between Monero (XMR) and Bytecoin (BCN)?

Basically nothing. Monero started its carrier as a Bytecoin clone, but without a ninja launch. Later the XMR guys made more efforts for patching up the flaws in the original BCN code and to make some development as well.

Code:

Pay 50 TALK to Snail2; //PM 2 collect anytime

[BitcoinNational]

daily 'dash vs. mo' drama

Once you've become a parody of yourself, seriously, it's time to throw in the towel...

Good advice to the same five or so Dash usual-suspects/true-believers/bagholders/instminers/first-sight-lovers who are the only ones left who actually still give a shit about the well-known poster child for 2014 instamine scams, not counting the obvious sock puppets they occasionally create in order to give the illusion of someone outside of their circle being interested.

more drama [stakeminers]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1303147.msg13437930#msg13437930

[BitcoinNational]

in light of the current and coming Decred hype:

"The airdrop distribution represents 4% of the total Decred supply and will be equally and unconditionally distributed to valid participants."

well 50% of the total TALK supply was airdropped to bct members, and the other 50% competitively mined
so we got that going for us, besides the fact that the free distro was handed out and traded out about 2 years ago.

so the airdrop thing, yeap did done that



lesson learned is most just dump for the BTC
takes a stronghand to hold out thru the bottom ... but if you look at TALK prices we've reached the mean average from May-July 2014 again ... was a long valley to cross.  Who knows the Decred 4% is no 50% so maybe it will work nicely.

TALKaka BCC

The Ticker change is due to growing concerns over a few other coins carrying the same BCC ticker. Newer wallet with the updated Ticker TALK amd Wallet version 1.5 WILL still works fine for anyyone.  

v1.5.x
[Wallet version 1.5.2 has been released with updated coin graphic and ticker, links below(NON-Mandatory Update)]
Windows version 1.5.2 : https://mega.co.nz/#!PhZhiRDA!vEE2xZBXUe_p0yCs2IYhBEkt-_Du90u_dMZD8yfL4Qg
MacOSX version 1.5.2 :https://mega.co.nz/#!WhowCYCS!oczKj52hirznFQz8bVbpy6IVwA0YSDs5sJE-vQnGmjA

Wallets
Windows: https://mega.co.nz/#!PhZhiRDA!vEE2xZBXUe_p0yCs2IYhBEkt-_Du90u_dMZD8yfL4Qg
MacOSX: https://mega.co.nz/#!WhowCYCS!oczKj52hirznFQz8bVbpy6IVwA0YSDs5sJE-vQnGmjA

Source Code
https://github.com/BCCproject/BTCtalkcoin-1.50

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YES!

TALK exchange traded here for BTC or micro
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/index

[incognitoworker]

daily 'dash vs. mo' drama

Once you've become a parody of yourself, seriously, it's time to throw in the towel...

Good advice to the same five or so Dash usual-suspects/true-believers/bagholders/instminers/first-sight-lovers who are the only ones left who actually still give a shit about the well-known poster child for 2014 instamine scams, not counting the obvious sock puppets they occasionally create in order to give the illusion of someone outside of their circle being interested.

more drama [stakeminers]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1303147.msg13437930#msg13437930

Not joining in on that drama, but our account at stakeminers is still paying out like it always have been.
All our questions get promptly replied to with direct communication, so we decided to stick with it.
Like with all investments, do not invest what you can not afford to lose.
If anyone wants to check how they perform, just login top XQNPOSFUND account and read our stats.
Login and our password in main thread.

Happy staking!

IW

[BitcoinNational]

random

Would it be possible to build/run a blockchain that acts like a website (SQL databases hosting, and PHP, html stuff) acting as a type of localhost via the client?

[BitcoinNational]

That is it, I want to start the rescue of devtome.com.

A little background about me, I'm proud member of devcoin community, being granted several ongoing shares for my contributions and assignments (Devcoin Share List, Marketing, Investor Administrator, Node Maintenance). I'm really frustrated because my assignment of "Investor Administrator" is currently blocked, since people running devtome.com is not responding, that makes impossible to deploy my code. Also, I like to contribute to the wiki but current annoying bugs make it really hard.

Ok, this is the plan:

1. Diagnose current situation
2. Propose solutions (only what you can actually do, don't expect help from people running devtome.com)
3. Fix this mess
4. Celebrate!

My previous post: "[DVC] What happened to Devcoin leadership!" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288592), demonstrates that people running devtome.com "just have no interest in keeping them ticking, and don't respond when you try to get them to do their job." as Hunterbunter said already (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg13277774#msg13277774)

First things first, we need to diagnose current situation of Devtome.com, please share your thoughts.

Let's make it happen!

If there's something I can help with, let me know. I don't do code, though, just writing. I maintain a copy of each month's receiver file, and I supposedly sign up new writers but no one's contacted me to join for months. I also try to write, though lately haven't been able to do that.

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