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January 14, 2015, 08:09:50 PM
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Well how bloody unlikely is that? .... oops.

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January 14, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop? 

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


LOL Ths is a very interesting situation. Its amazing what kinds of things people can catch. I am now wondering myself Smiley

As I said before, I would need more than one little hint to think he is S N!

Not just "one little hint" buddy

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/


I just happen to find another one.  Welcome to the party
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January 15, 2015, 07:59:22 AM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop?  

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


LOL Ths is a very interesting situation. Its amazing what kinds of things people can catch. I am now wondering myself Smiley

As I said before, I would need more than one little hint to think he is S N!

Not just "one little hint" buddy

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/


I just happen to find another one.  Welcome to the party


For anyone who likes this thread...... The book in the following link is a must read  Wink

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNLWRRM/ref=aw_ss_kndl_dp/

Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
Read:"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~ George Orwell
Think: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html
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January 15, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
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very interesting.. Smiley
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January 17, 2015, 05:08:27 AM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop?  

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


LOL Ths is a very interesting situation. Its amazing what kinds of things people can catch. I am now wondering myself Smiley

As I said before, I would need more than one little hint to think he is S N!

Not just "one little hint" buddy

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/


I just happen to find another one.  Welcome to the party


For anyone who likes this thread...... The book in the following link is a must read  Wink

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNLWRRM/ref=aw_ss_kndl_dp/

how deep does the book go into the cypherpunk movement ?
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January 19, 2015, 01:26:29 AM
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^ No more than covered in this thread. He does hire a code expert to analyze the usual suspects code styles. He also has direct contact with several of the people we have been looking at. Dominic's book is really a good read.

Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
Read:"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~ George Orwell
Think: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html
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January 21, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
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30 chest compressions.....2 breaths.....checking for pulse.......
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January 21, 2015, 08:48:53 PM
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30 chest compressions.....2 breaths.....checking for pulse.......

Try slapping her a few times to see if she comes to. The suggestion's based on a women I once did down south where she was referred to as O'Possum (spelling and pronunciation as depicted) to the locals. BTW, when I stated slap, I meant spank - Amy-style - over your knees.
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January 27, 2015, 09:34:01 PM
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he tweeted this a while back
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-bitcoin-isnt-like-internet-joichi-ito
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January 27, 2015, 11:57:16 PM
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This is also one of Szabo's last tweets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoofvKI_Okg

Pretty interesting. BTW, you'll crack up (like a child) at 4:13. Shit even she starts caracking up! lol she can't keep a straight face
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January 28, 2015, 02:39:33 AM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop?  

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


LOL Ths is a very interesting situation. Its amazing what kinds of things people can catch. I am now wondering myself Smiley

As I said before, I would need more than one little hint to think he is S N!

Not just "one little hint" buddy

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/


I just happen to find another one.  Welcome to the party


For anyone who likes this thread...... The book in the following link is a must read  Wink

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNLWRRM/ref=aw_ss_kndl_dp/

how deep does the book go into the cypherpunk movement ?


Yeah I've read it.. It is a good read.. But I guess reading this whole thread would do the trick.
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January 28, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop?  

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


LOL Ths is a very interesting situation. Its amazing what kinds of things people can catch. I am now wondering myself Smiley

As I said before, I would need more than one little hint to think he is S N!

Not just "one little hint" buddy

https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/


I just happen to find another one.  Welcome to the party


For anyone who likes this thread...... The book in the following link is a must read  Wink

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NNLWRRM/ref=aw_ss_kndl_dp/

how deep does the book go into the cypherpunk movement ?


Yeah I've read it.. It is a good read.. But I guess reading this whole thread would do the trick.

Satoshi could be nick szabo but there is probably a 1 2 or 3% chance only that it's him.
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January 28, 2015, 04:29:40 PM
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Has anyone performed a stylometric analysis of the initial Bitcoin core against code published by the usual suspects?  Are there any code samples out there attributed to Szabo?

Tool: https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth
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Has anyone performed a stylometric analysis of the initial Bitcoin core against code published by the usual suspects?  Are there any code samples out there attributed to Szabo?

Tool: https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

I don't think szabo wrote the code. I think someone helped him "code one up" if you know what i mean!

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First verse finished! i need to write the hook, another verse, and record it properly using an actual mic
https://soundcloud.com/proofofbeats/whonakamoto

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Has anyone performed a stylometric analysis of the initial Bitcoin core against code published by the usual suspects?  Are there any code samples out there attributed to Szabo?

Tool: https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

I don't think szabo wrote the code. I think someone helped him "code one up" if you know what i mean!



That's a very possible theory.....

“Satoshi is first and foremost a coder, not a writer. Szabo is a writer first and coder second.” ~ Wei Dai

Satoshi states early in the mailing list that he did it backwards, writing code first then writing the white paper:

Satoshi quote:
"I appreciate your questions. I actually did this kind of backwards. I had to
write all the code before I could convince myself that I could solve every
problem, then I wrote the paper. I think I will be able to release the code
sooner than I could write a detailed spec. You're already right about most of
your assumptions where you filled in the blanks." ~ Satoshi Nakamoto
http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09980.html

NOTE: There is someone else who had this habbit to "code first" with no white paper and very little notes:

Jim McCoy Wink
http://www.salon.com/2000/10/09/mojo_nation/
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.network.peer-to-peer.p2p-hackers/1953
https://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com/msg01620.html
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2008-March/000461.html

Jim McCoy quote:
"A lot of our various ideas and implementation changes were either lost when whiteboards were re-tasked (at one point we were actually using polaroid snapshots of whiteboards to maintain internal history Smiley or never explained even in the code......((((no one really had the inclination to write up white papers or discuss design decisions in email, so we ended up leaving less of a digital trail)))) than anyone would have liked."
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?m=1


Szabo, Zooko & McCoy:

Jim McCoy quote:
"I'd be quite interested in more detail about what you tried to implement and how it compares to what I have proposed....At some point we should sync up over vast quantities of alcohol and I can describe various approaches that were proposed, implemented, or abandoned."

Nick Szabo quote:
"Jim, I do appreciate your comments, and I'd love to learn more over beer (but not until August -- bar exam :-)."

"I have extensively studied barter and money systems (in addition to working for David Chaum and playing a major role setting up a certificate authority) and do believe I have some insights."

Note: The relation between Zooko and Jim McCoy needs to be understood.....Zooko was just using Jim's earlier work to create a new system using parts of MojoNation. Understand that Jim McCoy is the real "Drive" behind the creation of these types of p2p schemes. McCoy has spent most of his life and millions of his own dollars in trying to find the best scheme for his MojoNation ideas.(That's right, he's extremely wealthy.)

Nick Szabo: “(assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)”…..Only Finney (RPOW) and Nakamoto were motivated enough to actually implement such a scheme”.
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html?m=1




Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
Read:"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~ George Orwell
Think: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html
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January 30, 2015, 07:48:16 PM
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@ Billbags

So you are suggesting that sentence above from Nick Szabo should read like this?

"Only Finney(RPOW) and McCoy(MojoNation) were motivated enough to actually implement such a scheme”.
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January 31, 2015, 01:04:32 AM
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@ Billbags

So you are suggesting that sentence above from Nick Szabo should read like this?

"Only Finney(RPOW) and McCoy(MojoNation) were motivated enough to actually implement such a scheme”.

The problem with Jim McCoy is his location during 2008-2010. He has normally been based out of Texas. That's not the right time zone for Satoshi. I don't have any info on his location during the time Satoshi was posting, so I have to assume he was still in Texas, which removes him from the list.(even though he is one of the best possibilities)

Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
Read:"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~ George Orwell
Think: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html
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January 31, 2015, 11:16:58 AM
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Has anyone performed a stylometric analysis of the initial Bitcoin core against code published by the usual suspects?  Are there any code samples out there attributed to Szabo?

Tool: https[Suspicious link removed]l.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

I don't think szabo wrote the code. I think someone helped him "code one up" if you know what i mean!



I think the code along with bitcoin was likely written/created by more than one person. Bitcoin just seems like a community effort from the start.
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Has anyone performed a stylometric analysis of the initial Bitcoin core against code published by the usual suspects?  Are there any code samples out there attributed to Szabo?

Tool: https[Suspicious link removed]l.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

I don't think szabo wrote the code. I think someone helped him "code one up" if you know what i mean!



I think the code along with bitcoin was likely written/created by more than one person. Bitcoin just seems like a community effort from the start.

Not too many people or one of them or a relative of one of them would have talk already. It is likely than someone will talk about how it started in the next 20 years.
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