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December 15, 2014, 01:55:16 AM
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Autocorrect will do that as well thought and in all probability, autocorrect is not Satoshi Nakamoto either.
A quick demonstration:- block chain - I just typed that as one word but my computer corrected me.
Interesting find though!

What desktop browser auto corrects? I've only been aware of tablets/phones doing that


I think all auto-correct in the OS's idiom.

I've seen it in mozila and opera and in tor bundle

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December 15, 2014, 04:02:43 AM
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...sorry. Whether the Twitter Nick Szabo is the same Nick Szabo of BitGold...

I know it's all a bit confusing

I'd say probably yes.  Unless the real Nick Szabo has disowned it as a complete impostor, why wouldn't it be him?  It's not a terribly common name.

I guess I find it hard to believe he is such an Ethereum fanboy. I don't know. Seems shilly Undecided

gawd...so sick of you people. everything you don't agree with, is done by shillers and fan boys.
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December 15, 2014, 04:32:23 AM
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some similarities or coincidences

Meet the Extropians
Wired

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/extropians_pr.html



Romana Machado - aka "Mistress Romana" - software engineer, author, and hot-blooded capitalist, showed up dressed as the State, in a black vinyl bustier and mini, with a chain harness top, custom-made for her at Leather Masters in San Jose, California, for whom she does modeling work. She was in all that garb, carrying a light riding crop, plus a leash, at the other end of which, finally, her Extropian companion Geoff Dale, the Taxpayer, crawled along in mock subjection. The couple embodied Extropian symbolism, the State being regarded as one of the major restrictive forces in the Milky Way galaxy. These people hate government, particularly "entropic deathworkers like the Clinton administration."

Early in the conference, Mike Perry, overseer of the 27 frozen people (actually, 17 are frozen heads, only 10 are entire bodies) submerged in liquid nitrogen at minus 321 degrees Fahrenheit (Cold enough for you?) at the Alcor Life Extension Foundation

Minor impediments like smog and earthquakes did not figure into his personal equation. But a change of name did.

"In Southern California, everybody changes their name: actors do, writers do. I knew I wanted to be a writer and become known, so that I could spread these ideas better, so I thought I might as well change my name," which until then had been Max O'Connor.

He spent a year thinking up a new name for himself, finally deciding on the word, More.

"It seemed to really encapsulate the essence of what my goal is: always to improve, never to be static. I was going to get better at everything, become smarter, fitter, and healthier. It would be a constant reminder to keep moving forward."

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.

Notes:

Hal Finney, a very early supporter of Satoshi, has now been frozen.

Nick Szabo was an Extropian, and was a member at the same time as Romana Machado, Geoff Dale, David Gordon, and Russell Whitaker.

Nick Szabo is similar to Satoshi Nakamoto

Max More was Alcor CEO

Predictions in 1995 by Nick Szabo (and 6 other Extropians) on concepts including  
1,000,000+ People Using Anon. Electronic Cash and
Untaxable Economy Using Electronic Cash $100b/year.  
http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2003-December/002244.html



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List:       cypherpunks
Subject:    Party with the Nextropians! at Nexus-Lite!
From:       plaz () netcom ! com (Geoff Dale)
Date:       1994-02-26 21:40:48
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         MEET THE NEXTROPIANS: WE ARE HERE AND NOW AMONG YOU
__________________________________________________________________________
Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker


Nick had a connection to Portland, OR in 1993
https://w2.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto/?f=privacy_szabo.paper.txt

From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
Subject: How to protect your electronic privacy -- consumer pamphlet
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 03:20:30 -0700 (PDT)

Here is a handout I've written for our next Portland-area libertarian
meeting.   Comments welcome.  Feel free to distribute freely (you
can edit out Portland-specific stuff) with attributions.

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December 15, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
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Predictions in 1995 by Nick Szabo (and 6 other Extropians) on concepts including  
1,000,000+ People Using Anon. Electronic Cash and
Untaxable Economy Using Electronic Cash $100b/year.  
http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2003-December/002244.html
Fine-Tuned Mood/Motivation Transformation Drugs - 2010

Hah, I think they missed the date as these are common place in the last two years and will soon be banned in the US.

Most Publications are Electronic - 2015

Someone tell the publishers they're behind schedule...

Information Storage $0.01 per Megabyte - 2010

Well gigabyte now...

1,000,000+ People Using Anon. Electronic Cash - 2010

Everything looks too optimistic. The generation gap and the general population inertia is not something you can discount. The fact that 40 years have passed and we don't have an active lunar exploration base says some things...
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December 15, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
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What is this thread even about, trying to pump etherum as "satoshi is behind it" rofl...

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December 15, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
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...sorry. Whether the Twitter Nick Szabo is the same Nick Szabo of BitGold...

I know it's all a bit confusing

I'd say probably yes.  Unless the real Nick Szabo has disowned it as a complete impostor, why wouldn't it be him?  It's not a terribly common name.

I guess I find it hard to believe he is such an Ethereum fanboy. I don't know. Seems shilly Undecided

gawd...so sick of you people. everything you don't agree with, is done by shillers and fan boys.



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December 16, 2014, 03:33:35 PM
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It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?


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December 16, 2014, 04:26:20 PM
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 Autocorrect will do that as well thought and in all probability, autocorrect is not Satoshi Nakamoto either.
A quick demonstration:- block chain - I just typed that as one word but my computer corrected me.
Interesting find though!


Nice try....Satoshi

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December 16, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop? 

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


so you see ethereum as a viable investment?
How do you see bitcoin vs ethereum in the long run?

Im afraid to hold anything that isnt bitcoin..
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December 17, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
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It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?




No.  He is one of the Extropians who didn't do that annoying fucking thing of changing his name.  Because seriously, that is some pretentious and retarded shit.

(Did I ever mention I got thrown off the Extropians mailing list in the early '90s for literally no reason?  I think I pissed off that idiot Perry Metzger somehow.)
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December 17, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
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It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?




No.  He is one of the Extropians who didn't do that annoying fucking thing of changing his name.  Because seriously, that is some pretentious and retarded shit.

(Did I ever mention I got thrown off the Extropians mailing list in the early '90s for literally no reason?  I think I pissed off that idiot Perry Metzger somehow.)

It is difficult to imagine being thrown off the Extropians mailing list.  Were you too old-fashioned, or is it that he is too much of a fucking control freak?


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December 17, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
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So, I am busy right now.  I scanned Nick's post.  I'm glad he is writing again and the material seems pretty clearly written and on point, but which part exactly made your draw drop? 

Would you care to elaborate on the connections you posted?

It is kind of hard to agree or disagree with a bunch of links.


Sure;

Nick posted again today, (praising ethereum once again;) and I was reading and I noticed his use of the term "block chain" instead of "blockchain"

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html



Most people refer to it as blockchain (one word) as showen here by the Google trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=blockchain%2C%20block%20chain&cmpt=q


and then I naturally looked up

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/

Satoshi never said blockchain. He calls the ledger block chain.  Shocked


so you see ethereum as a viable investment?
How do you see bitcoin vs ethereum in the long run?

Im afraid to hold anything that isnt bitcoin..

I'll leave this here
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2joa25/the_synergy_of_bitcoin_and_ethereum/




What is this thread even about, trying to pump etherum as "satoshi is behind it" rofl...

Herpy derp derp
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December 17, 2014, 11:20:44 PM
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so you see ethereum as a viable investment?
How do you see bitcoin vs ethereum in the long run?

Im afraid to hold anything that isnt bitcoin..

I feel the same way. Of all the altcoins and cryptocurrencies, the only other one that has me curious is Ethereum. But I didn't buy in because I feel Bitcoin will always be worth more than Ethereum.

I would be blown away if Ethereum was more valuable than Bitcoin. I just can't see that happening. So hence my decision to remain invested in BTC.

Plus, what's to say that all or most of the important features of Ethereum won't get implemented into the Bitcoin protocol eventually anyway?

Lastly, Bitcoin total coins = 21 million. Ether total = 60 million. Bitcoin is scarcer.

I'm curious to hear other peoples' opinions on this subject.
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December 18, 2014, 02:53:18 AM
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It is difficult to imagine being thrown off the Extropians mailing list.  Were you too old-fashioned, or is it that he is too much of a fucking control freak?

The latter, I believe.  Perhaps I was too snarky about their ridiculous beliefs, like I am about the equally silly dipshits at LessWrong.
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December 18, 2014, 04:20:07 AM
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It is difficult to imagine being thrown off the Extropians mailing list.  Were you too old-fashioned, or is it that he is too much of a fucking control freak?

The latter, I believe.  Perhaps I was too snarky about their ridiculous beliefs, like I am about the equally silly dipshits at LessWrong.

We all have a roll to play.  Some are cheerleaders.  Some are here to speak the truth, especially when others don't want to hear it.

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December 18, 2014, 05:15:48 AM
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so you see ethereum as a viable investment?
How do you see bitcoin vs ethereum in the long run?

Im afraid to hold anything that isnt bitcoin..

I feel the same way. Of all the altcoins and cryptocurrencies, the only other one that has me curious is Ethereum. But I didn't buy in because I feel Bitcoin will always be worth more than Ethereum.

I would be blown away if Ethereum was more valuable than Bitcoin. I just can't see that happening. So hence my decision to remain invested in BTC.

Plus, what's to say that all or most of the important features of Ethereum won't get implemented into the Bitcoin protocol eventually anyway?

Lastly, Bitcoin total coins = 21 million. Ether total = 60 million. Bitcoin is scarcer.

I'm curious to hear other peoples' opinions on this subject.

I bought a small amount of ether but not to out profit my Bitcoin but because I really believe in their cause and I wanted to support them and the project. If it makes me money then wooo
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December 18, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
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Lastly, Bitcoin total coins = 21 million. Ether total = 60 million. Bitcoin is scarcer.
Scarcity is not meaningfully correlated to the units chosen to represent total coinage in cryptocurrencies. That's like someone saying "you can have 1 pint of this beer or 568ml of this other one" and you deducing that the 1 pint must be "scarcer" than the 568ml beer. The units involved don't really matter, it's what's in the glass that counts - i.e., does the cryptocurrency provide utility and value, or does it not.
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December 20, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
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Lastly, Bitcoin total coins = 21 million. Ether total = 60 million. Bitcoin is scarcer.
Scarcity is not meaningfully correlated to the units chosen to represent total coinage in cryptocurrencies. That's like someone saying "you can have 1 pint of this beer or 568ml of this other one" and you deducing that the 1 pint must be "scarcer" than the 568ml beer. The units involved don't really matter, it's what's in the glass that counts - i.e., does the cryptocurrency provide utility and value, or does it not.

If ethereum takes off, so will bitcoin. Wanna use a DAO? Neet Gas. Want gas? Need bitties!
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December 20, 2014, 04:55:23 AM
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Date:       1994-02-26 21:40:48
Romana Machado - Geoff Dale - David Gordon - Nick Szabo - Russell Whitaker
1994 means those people were born in 1965-1970, meaning they should be 45-50 years old.

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

Why is Satoshi 39?

*One of the first places where Satoshi Nakamoto mentioned bitcoin was at the P2PFoundation.ning.com. When you register there, you have to give your birthdate.

Satoshi gave April 5th 1975.

April 5th was one of the most significant dates in history. On that day in 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102, which made it illegal for American citizens to own gold.

So what happened in 1975?

1975 was the year it became legal for American citizens to own gold again.

http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
Read:"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~ George Orwell
Think: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html
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It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?




Szabo talking about his name and his pseudonyms........(same old info everybody talks about)

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/10/msg00759.html


»»»But no one ever talks about this......(Szabo's original and favorite Twitter buddy who happens to be a c++ coder)

2007
Zooko: "I want to invent something else: a truly decentralized economic mechanism. Research that points in this direction includes the sub-field of "algorithmic mechanism design" within economic game theory, some peer-to-peer research such as GNUnet, Wei Dai's and Nick Szabo's ideas about "bit gold", Nick Szabo's "smart contracts", and much more. Another inspiration is BitTorrent's tit-for-tat mechanism, which is decentralized and minimal, but gets the job done within its limited problem domain."
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000022.html

2007
Zooko: "Nick Szabo is a very interesting thinker whose domain includes law, economics, networking, cryptography, and so on. I've been acquainted  with his ideas for many years (starting with his inspiring and mind- expanding "Smart Contracts", which I became aware of in approximately 1996). He has just now posted a blog entry about Allmydata-Tahoe economics:"
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000025.html

2007 Szabo applies BitGold and his "Scarce Object" theory to Zookos p2p hard drive project.
Szabo: "One possible answer to central mint vulnerability is bit gold -- a currency the value of which does not depend on any particular trusted third party. ANOTHER alternative is (an object barter economy"Scarce Objects")." Note: Put these all together and you have Bitcoin....
http://web.archive.org/web/20070625154046/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/  
http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

Zooko: "What I want is a currency which everyone can cheaply and conveniently use but which no-one has the power to manipulate. No-one has the power to inflate or deflate the currency supply, no-one has the power to monitor, tax, or prevent transactions. Truly the digital equivalent of gold, during the times and places when gold was the universal currency.

Szabo said only Finney and Nakamoto had the motivation to accomplish it, but if you research 2007 you will see Zooko was fired up about creating Szabo's ideas.

Zooko was also unemployed from 2007(the year Nakamoto said he started working on Bitcoin) and stayed that way until Nakamoto disappeared. Zooko was also posting about Bitcoin 23 days after it was put online.(trying to get people in different circles to check it out)


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