My jaw is still on the floor.

[TippingPoint]

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?

Szabo talking about his name and his pseudonyms........(same old info everybody talks about)

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/10/msg00759.html

Yes.  This Szabo quote from 1993 deserves to be repeated.

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/10/msg00759.html

In my limited experience creating Internet pseudonyms, I've been quite
distracted by the continual need to avoid leaving pointers to my
True Name lying around -- excess mail to/from my True Name, shared
files, common peculiarities (eg misspellings in written text), traceable
logins, etc.   The penet.fi site explicitly maintains a list of pointers
to the original address.  All kinds of security controls -- crypto, access,
information, inference -- have to be continually on my mind when using
pseudonymous accounts.  The hazards are everywhere.

And I found the summary of the Penet remailer compromises to be interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer

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[TippingPoint]

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?

Szabo said only Finney and Nakamoto had the motivation to accomplish it, but if you research 2007 you will see Zooko was fired up about creating Szabo's ideas.

Zooko was also unemployed from 2007(the year Nakamoto said he started working on Bitcoin) and stayed that way until Nakamoto disappeared. Zooko was also posting about Bitcoin 23 days after it was put online.(trying to get people in different circles to check it out)


http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

And thank you for the Zooko leads.  

Bitcoin is the exact implementation of the system envisioned by Tim C. May, Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Hal Finney and Zooko.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko_Wilcox-O%27Hearn

[Billbags]

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?

Szabo said only Finney and Nakamoto had the motivation to accomplish it, but if you research 2007 you will see Zooko was fired up about creating Szabo's ideas.

Zooko was also unemployed from 2007(the year Nakamoto said he started working on Bitcoin) and stayed that way until Nakamoto disappeared. Zooko was also posting about Bitcoin 23 days after it was put online.(trying to get people in different circles to check it out)


http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

And thank you for the Zooko leads.  

Bitcoin is the exact implementation of the system envisioned by Tim C. May, Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Hal Finney and Zooko.

A few more Zooko links...

1999 Zooko moving up in the cypherpunks
http://www.shmoo.com/mail/cypherpunks/jun99/msg00373.html

2007
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?m=1

2007
http://lowlife.jp/yasusii/blogmark/2007/08/

2007/2008 Zooko c++
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/pycryptopp/ticket/3

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle


http://themonetaryfuture.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-timing-is-everything.html?m=1

"Nick Szabo and Zooko Wilcox-O’Hearn disagree strongly with the thesis that “Bitcoin is Worse is Better”. They contend while there may be bad parts to Bitcoin, there is a novel core idea which is actually very clever - the hash chain is a compromise which thinks outside the box and gives us a sidestep around classic problems of distributed computing, which gives us something similar enough to a trustworthy non-centralized authority that we can use it in practice."       ~gwern

Zooko: May 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM
"Gwern’s post fails to appreciate the technical advances that BitCoin originated."
"I have been trying, off and on, to invent a decentralized digital payment system for fifteen years (since I was at DigiCash). I wasn’t sure that a practical system was even *possible*, until BitCoin was actually implemented and became as popular as it has. Scientific advances often seem obvious in retrospect, and so it is with BitCoin."

Zooko: May 31, 2011 at 6:44 PM
"Oh wait, I have to revise this, as I remember trying to invent a decentralized digital payment system in about 1995, which was before I joined DigiCash. :-)"

[Flashman]

Twould appear Zooko knows Satoshi..
https://twitter.com/zooko

Double bluff? But IMO probably related to mail hacking incident.

Edit: though that kind of implies that he know's Satoshi, but not necessarily the ID behind the nym, since otherwise he'd know better than most of us how to dig him up I would have thought.

[slaveforanunnak1]

Plot thickens.
FAAAAK

[L.Detweiler]

It would also be the start of a trend among Extropians: Max O'Connor became Max More; Mark Potts became Mark Plus; Harry Shapiro became Harry Hawk.  And Tom Morrow and FM-2030.  Nick Szabo was an Extropian.

So did Nick change his name?

Szabo talking about his name and his pseudonyms........(same old info everybody talks about)

http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1993/10/msg00759.html


»»»But no one ever talks about this......(Szabo's original and favorite Twitter buddy who happens to be a c++ coder)

2007
Zooko: "I want to invent something else: a truly decentralized economic mechanism. Research that points in this direction includes the sub-field of "algorithmic mechanism design" within economic game theory, some peer-to-peer research such as GNUnet, Wei Dai's and Nick Szabo's ideas about "bit gold", Nick Szabo's "smart contracts", and much more. Another inspiration is BitTorrent's tit-for-tat mechanism, which is decentralized and minimal, but gets the job done within its limited problem domain."
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000022.html

2007
Zooko: "Nick Szabo is a very interesting thinker whose domain includes law, economics, networking, cryptography, and so on. I've been acquainted  with his ideas for many years (starting with his inspiring and mind- expanding "Smart Contracts", which I became aware of in approximately 1996). He has just now posted a blog entry about Allmydata-Tahoe economics:"
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000025.html

2007 Szabo applies BitGold and his "Scarce Object" theory to Zookos p2p hard drive project.
Szabo: "One possible answer to central mint vulnerability is bit gold -- a currency the value of which does not depend on any particular trusted third party. ANOTHER alternative is (an object barter economy"Scarce Objects")." Note: Put these all together and you have Bitcoin....
http://web.archive.org/web/20070625154046/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/  
http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

Zooko: "What I want is a currency which everyone can cheaply and conveniently use but which no-one has the power to manipulate. No-one has the power to inflate or deflate the currency supply, no-one has the power to monitor, tax, or prevent transactions. Truly the digital equivalent of gold, during the times and places when gold was the universal currency.

Szabo said only Finney and Nakamoto had the motivation to accomplish it, but if you research 2007 you will see Zooko was fired up about creating Szabo's ideas.

Zooko was also unemployed from 2007(the year Nakamoto said he started working on Bitcoin) and stayed that way until Nakamoto disappeared. Zooko was also posting about Bitcoin 23 days after it was put online.(trying to get people in different circles to check it out)


http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

Evil Genius....
http://web.archive.org/web/20010331105544/http://zooko.com/

[TippingPoint]

Yes

pseodo-random brain droppings:

"Hi, I'm Zooko. I work for Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow" March 2001
Mountain View, CA

DigiCash, b.v. January 1996 - January 1998
Software Engineer

Designed and implemented a library offering programmable access to the "eCash" technology.
With a small team, designed and implemented a new generation of the "eCash" product.
Designed and implemented a CGI-based web commerce framework with which participating vendors accepted e-cash payments.
Implemented a server providing pseudonymous access to medical records in compliance with French law for Merck, France.

DigiCash Inc. was an electronic money corporation founded by David Chaum in 1990. DigiCash transactions were unique in that they were anonymous due to a number of cryptographic protocols developed by its founder. DigiCash declared bankruptcy in 1998.

The Nextropians (including Nick Szabo and Hal Finney) had meetings in Cupertino, only 6 miles away from Mountain View.

Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn conducting a rather detailed analysis of a botnet herder mining Bitcoins
https://plus.google.com/108313527900507320366/posts/1oi1v7RxR1i

[Billbags]

^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.

[BombaUcigasa]

^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.

Zooko wrote the Bitcoin client with Szabo's whitepaper and guidance. When their project got too close to the CIA they jumped ship and went low and let Gavin and a few other enthusiasts handle the assets.

Now Szabo pretends it's raining (still uses the same language) and supports Ethereum (full touring blockchain using Satoshi Consensus invented term coined by him) while Zooko calls for Satoshi to send him a message while working a public job and fancying Bitcoin projects.

Or Satoshi is someone totally different that knows their work but they don't know him (which is weird for Szabo having a doppelganger that does better than you while putting everyone on your tail).

[TippingPoint]

And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum

http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum.  It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.

Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.

In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.

[Billbags]

And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum

http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum.  It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.

I think from the posts I've read from 2005-2009 that both Tim May and David Chaum were just inspirations and mentors for Satoshi, both seem to have been mostly retired. I think if Chaum was Satoshi the white paper would say "©BitCoin: by David Chaum" and the first citation would be to DigiCash. That's just the kind of person he seems to be.

[Billbags]

^ Szabo worked at DigiCash also. So that means Zooko and Szabo were co-workers. I'll check the dates to see if they were employed at the same time.

Zooko wrote the Bitcoin client with Szabo's whitepaper and guidance. When their project got too close to the CIA they jumped ship and went low and let Gavin and a few other enthusiasts handle the assets.

Now Szabo pretends it's raining (still uses the same language) and supports Ethereum (full touring blockchain using Satoshi Consensus invented term coined by him) while Zooko calls for Satoshi to send him a message while working a public job and fancying Bitcoin projects.

Or Satoshi is someone totally different that knows their work but they don't know him (which is weird for Szabo having a doppelganger that does better than you while putting everyone on your tail).

You summed it up perfect. That's problably as close as we will ever get(the best conclusion from the available circumstantial evidence)........unless they (Szabo & Zooko) let us in on it

[darkmule]

Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:

In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.

Incidentally, Freedom was genuinely awesome.  It's too bad it didn't catch on for whatever reason.  It was basically an early commercial attempt to do what TOR does now.  I guess they couldn't manage to exploit it commercially enough to make a profit.

[Flashman]

I've got it, the Extropians were okay freezing just their brains right? That means they must KNOW human cloning is possible, just take a few cells make a new body... well since they were involved with the tech companies that set that whole market up, then what if they had a clone made in about 99-00ish and had it in an accelerated growth tank for 5 years, then mind melded Zooko and Szabo with it.. then turned it loose... and it's probably buried in a national park somewhere now

[darkmule]

I've got it, the Extropians were okay freezing just their brains right?

I think their reasoning on that is sound, at least to the extent that cryopreservation is assumed to be possible at all.  The kind of technology required to revive a brain and an entire body are at such a level that if you can do one, you can likely do the other, or at least it won't be much longer.  Freezing a brain, even as quickly as physically possible, is likely to cause damage that will have to be repaired at the microscopic level for so many cells in it that you'd end up with at best a drooling vegetable without doing it.  That might be okay if we cryopreserve politicians, but most people would prefer actually to be mentally functional.  That kind of cell repair is so advanced that creating a clone body, compared to it, isn't that much.

[Gleb Gamow]

And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum

http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum.  It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.

Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.

In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.

Interesting from http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

Read Dan Fabulich reply.

Then go here: https://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg04919.html

It reads to me like Dan was obsess with the date that Digicash's patent expires: 2007(?).

Anybody know anything about Dan Fabulich except that he, too, types two spaces after a full stop?

[RiverBoatBTC]

I know who santoshi nasamoko is and I'm not telling

[Gleb Gamow]

I know who santoshi nasamoko is and I'm not telling

If I told you that Mark Karpeles and I are really brothers and that together we'll bake you an apple pie, than maybe?

[herzmeister]

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko's_triangle which at last got squared by Namecoin.

[TippingPoint]

And what of do we make of David Chaum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum

http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

On 16 Jul 2000, at 22:50, Dan Fabulich wrote:
The most potent e-cash system was invented by David Chaum.  It died when he decided that his anonymous e-cash program would be the ticket to making him rich.

Hal Finney wrote in July 2000:
Yes, as mentioned the Chaum ecash experiment was not successful as a business. There is a new effort, www.ecashtechnologies.com, which purchased the patents and is trying again, this time in partnership with Deutsche Bank 24, a subsidiary of the big German bank.

In addition, ZeroKnowledge.com, a cypherpunk-founded privacy company which is selling a strong anonymity communication product called Freedom, recently licensed an alternate set of patents from Stefan Brands which could be used for anonymous payment.

Interesting from http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.3Q00/1337.html

Read Dan Fabulich reply.

Then go here: https://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg04919.html

It reads to me like Dan was obsess with the date that Digicash's patent expires: 2007(?).

Anybody know anything about Dan Fabulich except that he, too, types two spaces after a full stop?

It looks like
https://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg04919.html
is a post by Matthew Gaylor, who is quoting a post by Dan Fabulich on extropians-digest on 7 Jun 2001

He does sound like a man with a plan.