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December 17, 2014, 07:41:08 AM
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Ditched X11 with my working GPU rig and now have it mining VTC.

I've got a half dozen more 750ti's that have been gathering dust for months... I might rebuild that rig in the coming days, especially if the news is as good as has been reported when I whip out the kill-o-watt meter tomorrow.

Vertcoin always had the best community and ambition.  The last few months have been trying, but with the hard fork to Lyra2RE, we can start getting excited again.

I'll post power numbers here tomorrow.  AM3+ ASRock boards, Sempron procs, one rig with EVGA cards (running), and another with PNY cards.

The EVGA 750ti's are hashing at 720-725 kh/s each, except one that's stuck at 710-715.



EVGA 750Ti's are factory OC'ed, or more? what clocks?
(I have 690kH/s with Palit StormX Dual, "factory OC" only)


How are you getting 720-725 kh/s out of your 750tis ? I have 36 evga 750tis (using your kopiemtu) and the most I can get is 625 kh/s out of each card


I have no more than 700kH/s, rather: 688 - 689 kH/s

                                 
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December 17, 2014, 08:55:15 AM
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I think Lyra2RE can be done on FPGA - just depends how much you want to spend. From my understanding, FPGAs are EXCELLENT at logical operations, but fast memory for them gets expensive quickly. 6KiB is not a lot of memory; I think it would be cheap - but that assumes you only want to run one thread at a time. I think, for best performance, you'd want to run dozens, or maybe even hundreds of threads - then you'd start getting bit by the cost, I think.

Anyone with actual experience doing FPGA work, feel free to correct me/chime in.

Size and frequency increases are mainly what you get for more expensive FPGAs. When I refer to size, I mean the on-chip memory size. DDR or flash memory can be connected to FPGAs, of course, but using them increases the latency. For the fastest operations you would want to use the block RAM on the chip only. Use this table to get an idea.

http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/fpga.html

Xilinx Zynq chips have a system on chip and an FPGA all on the same package, but have significantly less block RAM. You can run linux on the SoC and have direct access to an FPGA.
http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/soc/zynq-7000/silicon-devices.html

As for cost - they are expensive, as you probably expected. The low-mid range Kintex 7 FPGA development board costs $1700 from Xilinx. Development boards have tons of features and hardware that would not be necessary for this application, so cost may come down, but spinning a circuit board for an FPGA is not an easy task.
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December 17, 2014, 09:56:53 AM
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What's going on with price :/
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December 17, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
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Lira is the miners friendly algo... More miners... More dump...

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What's going on with price :/

Maybe Lyra FPGA has been made. The overall hash rate is high.
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December 17, 2014, 11:18:12 AM
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Maybe that for someone will be helpful, you can set lower power usage on 7950/7970/280x cards just use this settings:
Drivers 14.4
Msi Afterburner 4.0
Core clock 715Mhz
Mem Clock 1500Mhz
core voltage 900mV
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
sgminer.exe --algorithm Lyra2RE -o stratum+tcp://pool.verters.com:4444 -u xxx -p xxx -w 64 -g 2 -X 128 --no-submit-stale --expiry 1 --scan-time 1 --queue 0

Hashrate is almost like with 815Mhz (956mV) core but less power usage.

On 290/290X cards you can also do it.
If You flashed 290/290x the Stilt bios, use max 1450Mhz memory clock, when is original bios use 1500MHz mem clock.
Try 715Mhz core clock and you can low core voltage in msi afterburner.

On this settings i have on 280x (hynix) 925khs, on elpidia 825-850khs
On R9 290 cards 1200khs.

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December 17, 2014, 12:12:05 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.
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December 17, 2014, 12:15:32 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

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December 17, 2014, 12:15:46 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


one could also trace block generation volume (from blockchain) and compare to reported combined network hash rate in a time delta

great post thank you (also thank you @nonny12 for his fpga write up, very interesting and encouraging)

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December 17, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.

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December 17, 2014, 12:46:37 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.
FTC Profitability is 1447%,very high now.
FTC and other NeoScrypt coins,all have high Profitability,this is sign of pure GPU algo.
X11,X13,if you trace whattomine.com for months,the long term profitability was lower than 300% ,that means a large  FPGA farm was running.
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December 17, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.
FTC Profitability is 1447%,very high now.
FTC and other NeoScrypt coins,all have high Profitability,these is sign of pure GPU algo.
X11,X13,if you trace whattomine.com for months,the long term profitability was lower than 300% ,that means a large  FPGA farm was running.

No it doesn't - it means people are mining faster than you. It does not imply FPGA - you're jumping to conclusions.

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December 17, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
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Are people selling 'cos they need money for Christmas?
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December 17, 2014, 12:52:19 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.
FTC Profitability is 1447%,very high now.
FTC and other NeoScrypt coins,all have high Profitability,these is sign of pure GPU algo.
X11,X13,if you trace whattomine.com for months,the long term profitability was lower than 300% ,that means a large  FPGA farm was running.

No it doesn't - it means people are mining faster than you. It does not imply FPGA - you're jumping to conclusions.
i know x11 will be made FPGA ,and i saw a real X11 FPGA miner half a year ago,it was very  powerful.
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.
FTC Profitability is 1447%,very high now.
FTC and other NeoScrypt coins,all have high Profitability,these is sign of pure GPU algo.
X11,X13,if you trace whattomine.com for months,the long term profitability was lower than 300% ,that means a large  FPGA farm was running.

No it doesn't - it means people are mining faster than you. It does not imply FPGA - you're jumping to conclusions.
i know x11 will be made FPGA ,and i saw a real X11 FPGA miner half a year ago,it was very  powerful.

X11 can easily be ported to FPGA - not what I'm saying. I'm saying the GPU miner can be FAR faster - so it's not certain the hash is FPGAs.

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December 17, 2014, 12:56:09 PM
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What's going on with price :/
last 3 days,main pools had fake-share problem,and wallet was unable to RPC solo mining.
the diff was low ,someone had special skills to get more cheap coins.
it was high profit for those people.absolutely, they should dump as i told .
when the pools are fair for everyone,the difficulty and the price will reach equilibrium,and price will  be stable.
maybe FPGA  was made,but i checked pools these days, i hadn't seen large true hashpower,except fake hash.
as i said, to check if FPGAs or ASICs are made,the profit will prove ,no matter where they are,they cannot hide.
whattomine.com  shows the profitability is 663%,i believe it is absolutely pure GPU coin.


I believe so too, I see low hashrate on my pool currently, maybe the interest is just somewhere else currently.

Probably FTC? Can't be X11.
FTC Profitability is 1447%,very high now.
FTC and other NeoScrypt coins,all have high Profitability,this is sign of pure GPU algo.
I am afraid I will have to disagree on that one... the way you recognize a GPU only coin is rather the absence of profitability.
because they are unable to hold to their coin (fake share or not, why would anybody dump below profitablity... ? unless you have a gpu   Grin don't ask, just stating the fact ).
This is what have been happening since summer will all gpu coin, most of the gpu miners just act as morons...

The proof is easy to find, there wasn't any major dump when the knc started mining the vtc, difficulty increased and that was it, but they didn't dumped...

All this is very disappointing especially for a gpu dev   Grin


gpu miner speaking "ho a new gpu coin, lets kill the profit so we can continue to complain about electricity bill " Grin

more seriously, I think it is all the coin which were mined at low diff... instead of keeping them, they are dumping... but again this is just plain stupid behavior

or I'll the give the theory of a friend: nvidia miners  Grin (that would explain why FTC is still profitable)

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I am afraid I will have to disagree on that one... the way you recognize a GPU only coin is rather the absence of profitability.
because they are unable to hold to their coin (fake share or not, why would anybody dump below profitablity... ? unless you have a gpu   Grin don't ask, just stating the fact ).
This is what have been happening since summer will all gpu coin, most of the gpu miners just act as morons...

The proof is easy to find, there wasn't any major dump when the knc started mining the vtc, difficulty increased and that was it, but they didn't dumped...

All this is very disappointing especially for a gpu dev   Grin

i kept noticing VTC, no matter if KNC dump,the profitability was below 300%,as FTC was above 600% at that moment.
no matter if he dump,the machine was made,he must keep mining,and drive the diff to very high.
the FPGAs or ASICs cannot hide behind profitability,that's my opinion.
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December 17, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
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R9 290: 867/1500 seems to be a good deal Grin

If you use Sapphire Tri-X you can set fanspeed to 30%. Very quiet mining rig Cheesy.

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December 17, 2014, 02:09:24 PM
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once GPU's start burning out and they ultimately will you should see not so eager dump below market prices, sometimes I feel people just to like to use exchanges it gives them feeling of "accomplishment" lol for me prices (in general) are so ridiculously low right now that it does not make sense to sell at all, there is no profit to be made

checking GPU burnout rate at the moment, never looked at that indicator, but GPU fan must ultimately go, 2 years 3 years ? if 24/7 ?

let's say someone bought 600$ GPU device and it burned out will he/she rush to ebay or egg and replace it ? while during the same time selling coins and taking negative dollars lol

and even more funny is "overclocking" which not only can fry GPU circuitry but CPU/DRAM as well

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December 17, 2014, 02:15:42 PM
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Are people selling 'cos they need money for Christmas?

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