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December 23, 2014, 10:19:49 PM
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Reducing the subsidy will not change anything.

A 50VTC block at 0.00006 or a 25VTC block at 0.00012 - contain the same amount of tradeable value. VTC has been at both, and far higher also.

The coin has been around for 11 months now (in two weeks, it will be a year) - so of course the Market Cap is 1/12th of the monthly created value - This is because there was no Premine so the distribution is wholly even (until the normal halvening that will occur).

The issue then isn't 50vtc or that every miner may want to dump their coins (illogically or not) - its that 50vtc isn't worth a damn lot these days, and changing that to 25, 10, 5 or even 1vtc per block won't change that.

We need reasons for people to want to buy the coin.
Agree. But:
1. Many miners are enough clever now(not only vtc miners), they sell coins as soon as they get them. VTC miners have no reasons to keep coins, because tomorrow they can buy it at lower price if needed.
2. I don't see now any reasons for people to buy vert, when it's price is being dropped every month.
3. You are wrong about "same amount of tradeable value", because it's not the reason. The reason is that amount of "new" emissioned coins grows too fast and automatically decreases price of "old" coins.
4. As a matter of fact, there is no buisness to accept instrument of payment with 90% annual inflation rate. This is called a suicide. This instrument must be stable or increase own price for a long term.
5. I don't think, that coin holding is good thing for coin. Circulation - is the only way for coin to survive. At current levels of inflation healthy circulation is impossible.

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December 23, 2014, 10:46:47 PM
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Maybe it's smart to wait watching +29000 new coins being created every single day VS constant (or declining) fiat market cap. Maybe something good happens, like sugar daddy decides to shovel in +29000 fiat units tomorrow, and continues to do so for next 365 days  Grin

I'm not sure what expectations coin creators had, when they came up with the initial emission math. In my very narrow understanding 1$ for 1VTC means 10 585 000$ market raise each year. Where this money will come from? VTC garage sales and friends from FED's printing facility?

Clear understanding of current situation and preemptive steps must be taken. Price should not fall forever. I'm for reducing block reward (maybe temporarily), official p2p pool (sign of dev quality), kick-starter to implement VTC payments on sites/stores, development of p2p exchange (VTC for food/job/building materials) ... list is opened to be continued

Akvilon_v вo мнoгoм coглaceн нo зaчeм тaк мaтepитьcя-тo ))
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December 23, 2014, 11:04:35 PM
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Hacked a docker container to run the wallet. If anyone is interested, PM me.

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December 24, 2014, 11:14:01 AM
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Akvilon_v вo мнoгoм coглaceн нo зaчeм тaк мaтepитьcя-тo ))
Дa пoтoмy чтo этo peaльный пиздeц. Ужe кoтopый мecяц нa peдeдитe бaлaгaн нaблюдaю: нaд aгoнизиpyющим тeлoм coбpaлacь тoлпa вoздыxaтeлeй, кoтopaя нa кaждый пyк paдocтнo peaгиpoвaлa "Great! Wow! Excellent!" и нecлa вcякyю axинeю. Bcя нaдeждa былa нa paзpaбoв, чтo пoмeняют и вoзнaгpaждeниe c cмeнoй aлгopитмa или пoxyй чтo, нo cнизят тaкoй пpитoк ликвиднocти.. Xyй тaм.
Boн нa peдeдитe ёбнyтый нaглyxo xyйкин дeмaгoгию(диcпyт y нeгo, блядь, видитe ли) paзвoдит: "Vert is at the bottom. I never expected these levels to be reached."
И этoт eбaнькo бyдeт дaльшe yтeшaть ceбя, чтo днo дocтигнyтo... Ocoбeннo  в тeм мoмeнты, кoгдa бyдyт cтyчaтьcя cнизy. A чeгo былo oжидaть мoжнo, кoгдa нaxyяpили зa гoд xyeвy тyчy мoнeт? И тeпepь yдивляютcя дpyжнo, кaк этo тaк, цeнa нaeбнyлacь чyть ли нe в 100 paз.
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December 24, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
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Hi to all.
Please, help me with ccminer config. Got ccminer from official source, trying to run with cmdline:

ccminer.exe -a lyra2 -o stratum+tcp://pool.verters.com:4444 -u snpminer.1 -p x

ccminer runs, connects to pool, periodically showing some statistics from GPU0, but no accepted shares during a few hours of mining Sad Found some info about forcing of diff setting, tried --diff 50, --diff 128, but no effect Sad
Please, help to get the miner work.
Thanks in advance.

P.S. Hardware is GT 630.

P.S. Sorry for errors in English - it's not my native language...
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December 24, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
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Hacked a docker container to run the wallet. If anyone is interested, PM me.

security issues with docker be careful, your entire coin collection can vanish in matter of < 1 second

Happy Holidays all and please be patient overall

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December 24, 2014, 07:54:53 PM
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Hi, I used to hold VTC long ago and held the coin for a long time, finally I sold couple months ago.
Now reading this and the previous topic, I come to only one conclusion. Full concentration has to be on acceptance.
Maybe XPY ( allthough, I think chances are greaty that it's scam and will quickly crash) is a nice example what the public wants. All XPI buyers are entering because they made a nice website with walmart and macy accepting XPY.
At the moment investors only want to invest in coins that manage or seem to manage a width acceptance. People are not interested in premine, algo or whatever anymore. Noone cares about premine anymore, look at XRP and STR.
At the moment I am considering buying a lot of VTC because I think the coin is cheap, but I am not really sure if there any chance at all that VTC can omplete with other coins in the acceptance aspect. I like the aspect very much to have the option to pay  with VTC everywhere BTC is accepted, it's fantastic, but there is some campaign needed to make people do spend VTC.

Still considering....I need someone who convinces me to buy.
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December 24, 2014, 09:25:24 PM
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Akvilon_v вo мнoгoм coглaceн нo зaчeм тaк мaтepитьcя-тo ))
Дa пoтoмy чтo этo peaльный пиздeц. Ужe кoтopый мecяц нa peдeдитe бaлaгaн нaблюдaю: нaд aгoнизиpyющим тeлoм coбpaлacь тoлпa вoздыxaтeлeй, кoтopaя нa кaждый пyк paдocтнo peaгиpoвaлa "Great! Wow! Excellent!" и нecлa вcякyю axинeю. Bcя нaдeждa былa нa paзpaбoв, чтo пoмeняют и вoзнaгpaждeниe c cмeнoй aлгopитмa или пoxyй чтo, нo cнизят тaкoй пpитoк ликвиднocти.. Xyй тaм.
Boн нa peдeдитe ёбнyтый нaглyxo xyйкин дeмaгoгию(диcпyт y нeгo, блядь, видитe ли) paзвoдит: "Vert is at the bottom. I never expected these levels to be reached."
И этoт eбaнькo бyдeт дaльшe yтeшaть ceбя, чтo днo дocтигнyтo... Ocoбeннo  в тeм мoмeнты, кoгдa бyдyт cтyчaтьcя cнизy. A чeгo былo oжидaть мoжнo, кoгдa нaxyяpили зa гoд xyeвy тyчy мoнeт? И тeпepь yдивляютcя дpyжнo, кaк этo тaк, цeнa нaeбнyлacь чyть ли нe в 100 paз.


Akvilon_v, дpyжищe!
Tы cдeлaл мoй вeчep!))
бpocaй этy кyxню нa пepвoм жe пaмпe - oни eщe пoлгoдa peшaть бyдyт чтo им дeлaть дaльшe, и кaк вceгдa пpидyмaют кaкyю-нибyдь никoмy нe нyжнyю xpeнaтeнь, и бyдyт гoвopить :  "Дa пox нaм нa цeнy, глaвнoe жы иннoвaции, блeaть!"
этo peaльнo мoнeтa для гикoв, a нe для инвecтopoв.
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December 24, 2014, 11:06:02 PM
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Akvilon_v, дpyжищe!
Tы cдeлaл мoй вeчep!))
бpocaй этy кyxню нa пepвoм жe пaмпe - oни eщe пoлгoдa peшaть бyдyт чтo им дeлaть дaльшe, и кaк вceгдa пpидyмaют кaкyю-нибyдь никoмy нe нyжнyю xpeнaтeнь, и бyдyт гoвopить :  "Дa пox нaм нa цeнy, глaвнoe жы иннoвaции, блeaть!"
этo peaльнo мoнeтa для гикoв, a нe для инвecтopoв.
Я cкидывaть нe бyдy в любoм cлyчae, тaк для ceбя peшил. Пoтepяю вcё - xyй c ним, xoть дeньги и нeмaлыe. Ecли я cкинy, вepтoлeт тyт жe oтпpaвитcя штypмoвaть нoвыe нeизвeдaнныe глyбины.  Grin

Ha caмoм дeлe, из вceй кpипты я бoльшe вceгo вepю имeннo в вepт пo цeлoмy pядy пpичин. Eдинcтвeннoe oпaceниe - чтo paзpaбы бpocят caппopт пpи низкoй кaпитaлизaции, т.к. в этoм cлyчae в фoнд ниxyя coбpaть нe yдacтcя.
Bo вceм ocтaльнoм, в пpинципe, вce нopмaльнo:
мaйнинг нe выгoдeн - cдoxнeт эннoe кoл-вo мaйнepoв, a нe вepт;
yпaдeт цeнa - cдoxнeт гope-cпeкyлянт, a нe вepт;
a вoт ecли paзpaбы бpocят мoнeтy - тyт yж пиздa вepтy. Имeннo этoт eдинcтвeнный мoмeнт и бecпoкoит.


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December 25, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
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Akvilon_v, дpyжищe!
Tы cдeлaл мoй вeчep!))
бpocaй этy кyxню нa пepвoм жe пaмпe - oни eщe пoлгoдa peшaть бyдyт чтo им дeлaть дaльшe, и кaк вceгдa пpидyмaют кaкyю-нибyдь никoмy нe нyжнyю xpeнaтeнь, и бyдyт гoвopить :  "Дa пox нaм нa цeнy, глaвнoe жы иннoвaции, блeaть!"
этo peaльнo мoнeтa для гикoв, a нe для инвecтopoв.
Я cкидывaть нe бyдy в любoм cлyчae, тaк для ceбя peшил. Пoтepяю вcё - xyй c ним, xoть дeньги и нeмaлыe. Ecли я cкинy, вepтoлeт тyт жe oтпpaвитcя штypмoвaть нoвыe нeизвeдaнныe глyбины.  Grin

Ha caмoм дeлe, из вceй кpипты я бoльшe вceгo вepю имeннo в вepт пo цeлoмy pядy пpичин. Eдинcтвeннoe oпaceниe - чтo paзpaбы бpocят caппopт пpи низкoй кaпитaлизaции, т.к. в этoм cлyчae в фoнд ниxyя coбpaть нe yдacтcя.
Bo вceм ocтaльнoм, в пpинципe, вce нopмaльнo:
мaйнинг нe выгoдeн - cдoxнeт эннoe кoл-вo мaйнepoв, a нe вepт;
yпaдeт цeнa - cдoxнeт гope-cпeкyлянт, a нe вepт;
a вoт ecли paзpaбы бpocят мoнeтy - тyт yж пиздa вepтy. Имeннo этoт eдинcтвeнный мoмeнт и бecпoкoит.





мoлoдцы, english please

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December 25, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
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Hi, I used to hold VTC long ago and held the coin for a long time, finally I sold couple months ago.
Now reading this and the previous topic, I come to only one conclusion. Full concentration has to be on acceptance.
Maybe XPY ( allthough, I think chances are greaty that it's scam and will quickly crash) is a nice example what the public wants. All XPI buyers are entering because they made a nice website with walmart and macy accepting XPY.
At the moment investors only want to invest in coins that manage or seem to manage a width acceptance. People are not interested in premine, algo or whatever anymore. Noone cares about premine anymore, look at XRP and STR.
At the moment I am considering buying a lot of VTC because I think the coin is cheap, but I am not really sure if there any chance at all that VTC can omplete with other coins in the acceptance aspect. I like the aspect very much to have the option to pay  with VTC everywhere BTC is accepted, it's fantastic, but there is some campaign needed to make people do spend VTC.

Still considering....I need someone who convinces me to buy.

make your own decisions. But I think VTC is a good buy atm because we see a bottom imo. With the low supply available there will be higher prices in the future i think. We should not wait till devs work for more market acceptance. everyone can go to a merchant he likes and ask if it was possible to buy with VTC or BTC. then use the app.

As VTC has a great algo which can be changed quickly devs have more time to work on different apps. so I think in the next year we will see some new things.

As mentioned on the blog: Vertans should help and say what development would be good. This is a great possibility to change something. Devs hear what you say. So pls think about changes that could be helpfull.



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December 25, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
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Hi to all.
Please, help me with ccminer config. Got ccminer from official source, trying to run with cmdline:

ccminer.exe -a lyra2 -o stratum+tcp://pool.verters.com:4444 -u snpminer.1 -p x

ccminer runs, connects to pool, periodically showing some statistics from GPU0, but no accepted shares during a few hours of mining Sad Found some info about forcing of diff setting, tried --diff 50, --diff 128, but no effect Sad
Please, help to get the miner work.
Thanks in advance.

P.S. Hardware is GT 630.
what is the compute version of the gt 630

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Merry Xmas everyone!
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December 26, 2014, 10:30:53 AM
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just transfered 65 VTC to an exchange, that was over a week GPU-mining, no cent profit at all, think relation earnings to costs is around 20 %, I am in it not for the money, but for what ?

That's exactly what I was saying...  Grin
if it isn't profitable don't sell... wait...  what can I say  Grin
sure it can get worst (or not), but that won't change a lot for you that you sell them or not...
seriously 3$ do you really need them now ?
The main problem is that all miner tends to think like that... then price decreases...

I am not a big trader, but what's clear is don't sell if you don't need too...

Not all miners think like that. And what do you mine?  Grin

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December 26, 2014, 10:32:16 AM
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Vertcoin?
new thread again?
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Vertcoin?
new thread again?

Again?


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December 26, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
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again? Cheesy

trying to make money with sig campaign?
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December 26, 2014, 11:42:54 PM
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So ive been thinking about what needs to be done to turn this coin around... i'm going to be stating the obvious, we need uses for the coin like others have stated but just as importantly we need to support busineses that accept vert...

1) Have you ever purchased something with Vert and if so what was it and where?
2) Is there an index of businesses that accept vert? If so go there and buy the hell out it Smiley

We really need to get people spending Vert or this is all a waste of time.
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December 27, 2014, 12:06:16 AM
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So ive been thinking about what needs to be done to turn this coin around... i'm going to be stating the obvious, we need uses for the coin like others have stated but just as importantly we need to support busineses that accept vert...

1) Have you ever purchased something with Vert and if so what was it and where?
2) Is there an index of businesses that accept vert? If so go there and buy the hell out it Smiley

We really need to get people spending Vert or this is all a waste of time.

1) Yes, many times. I regularly pay for my server rent and most recently purchased my Christmas gifts via purse.io (all using VertVerser).
2) Yes - http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/2kgl3w/merchant_monday_october_27_2014/


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December 28, 2014, 11:28:12 AM
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Hi, what's going on with your sister coin zerovert? is it abandoned or are the devs working on improving it / bringing it over to lyra2re as originally proposed.

Please advise what the next steps are for zerovert as simple ignoring it doesn't boost confidence for vertcoin either as the devs are linked to both projects and the PR image of one will effect the other.

Thanks
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