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December 22, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
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New blog post: Vertcoin Roadmap

https://vertcoin.org/wp/vertcoin-roadmap/

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1. PR Campaign
2. Hyper-Adaptive Block Confirmation (HABC)
3. Final discussion on subsidy reduction
4. Final discussion on increasing block maturity time

In my opinion, this is the wrong order, and it should be exactly reversed. I don't think it makes sense to try an launch a PR campaign, while promising a new feature and leaving some very critical issues (altering coin emission primarily and block maturity secondarily) to be determined at some later date. It's like, "hey guys, check out this awesome coin that we're gonna try and add a cool new feature to, and we may or may not change some critical details about the coin as well." I think the block maturity and coin emission issues should definitely be put to bed before any PR campaign, and ideally any awesome new features should be added before spending a bunch of money trying to market vertcoin. Just my two mVTC.

It's in this order primarily because we don't want to have to change the subsidy or block maturity time ideally. Thus we will only need to continue with these points if the PR campaign fails to solve the lack of investment we are seeing. HABC will take some time to implement and test fully, and we don't want Vertcoin to have no PR for that long.

Why would someone want to invest in something that can't commit to a defined schedule for coin emission? I'm not in favor of changing the subsidy either, but I think  keeping it on the table amounts to uncertainty in the coin's future, and that uncertainty makes it more difficult for anyone to have confidence in vert.
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December 22, 2014, 05:15:11 PM
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


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December 22, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

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December 22, 2014, 05:22:00 PM
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?


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December 22, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
 #325

Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "

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December 22, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
 #326

Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "
--diff 256
however compute 2.0 card aren't supported

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Problem with Verters Mining Pool. Withdraw not possible, no contact mails possible.
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December 22, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
 #328

Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "

Well, there's not a multiplier option, these are the all options I get: http://i.imgur.com/rWTal0z.png
I downloaded this miner from the first message on this topic. Probably computer 2.0 cards aren't supported yet...


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December 22, 2014, 05:31:09 PM
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "

Well, there's not a multiplier option, these are the all options I get: http://i.imgur.com/rWTal0z.png
I downloaded this miner from the first message on this topic. Probably computer 2.0 cards aren't supported yet...
there is one multipler option -diff (right in the middle of your pic -f or -diff)
and no computer 2.0 aren't supported (you might ask KBomba, may-be he will do it)

edit: fyi compute 2.0 isn't supported anymore in cuda 6.5 (min version: compute 2.1)

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what's up with that price? for the moment basement, without asic and fly like an airplane hit :/
gpu miner facts #1 A gpu miner can't hold a coin for more than 10minutes without trying to dump it in a exchange  Grin
gpu miner facts #2: a gpu miner miner wants always to sell his coin first, no matter what
gpu miner facts #3: Sell panic is the normal state of mind of gpu miners, because they always thinks other gpu miner will try to sell first and lower than them... and actually that's what they do
gpu miner facts #4: gpu miners love to complain about how unprofitable a coin is, that's why they don't care about keeping a coin profitable

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I'd like to add fact #4:  gpu miners feel very accomplished when they profit 1cent per week.
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "

Well, there's not a multiplier option, these are the all options I get: http://i.imgur.com/rWTal0z.png
I downloaded this miner from the first message on this topic. Probably computer 2.0 cards aren't supported yet...
there is one multipler option -diff (right in the middle of your pic -f or -diff)
and no computer 2.0 aren't supported (you might ask KBomba, may-be he will do it)

edit: fyi compute 2.0 isn't supported anymore in cuda 6.5 (min version: compute 2.1)

@djm34: what can i do with some GTX 580's ? are they supported in any case ?

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just transfered 65 VTC to an exchange, that was over a week GPU-mining, no cent profit at all, think relation earnings to costs is around 20 %, I am in it not for the money, but for what ?
what's up with that price? for the moment basement, without asic and fly like an airplane hit :/
gpu miner facts #1 A gpu miner can't hold a coin for more than 10minutes without trying to dump it in a exchange  Grin
gpu miner facts #2: a gpu miner miner wants always to sell his coin first, no matter what
gpu miner facts #3: Sell panic is the normal state of mind of gpu miners, because they always thinks other gpu miner will try to sell first and lower than them... and actually that's what they do
gpu miner facts #4: gpu miners love to complain about how unprofitable a coin is, that's why they don't care about keeping a coin profitable

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I'd like to add fact #4:  gpu miners feel very accomplished when they profit 1cent per week.

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will like the diff drop when those miners wake up at a loss
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December 22, 2014, 10:49:47 PM
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Is there a cuda miner for computer 2.0 graphic cards? (I'm using gt540m, and current cudaminer says 250Mhs Grin but no shares accepted)


add -l 256

There's no option on windows cudaminer like that. what else could it be?

hmm.. you have to set the multiplier correct.. it should be "-L (l) or maybe -I (i) ? "

Well, there's not a multiplier option, these are the all options I get: http://i.imgur.com/rWTal0z.png
I downloaded this miner from the first message on this topic. Probably computer 2.0 cards aren't supported yet...
there is one multipler option -diff (right in the middle of your pic -f or -diff)
and no computer 2.0 aren't supported (you might ask KBomba, may-be he will do it)

edit: fyi compute 2.0 isn't supported anymore in cuda 6.5 (min version: compute 2.1)

@djm34: what can i do with some GTX 580's ? are they supported in any case ?
which compute version is this ? (currently there is only support down to compute 3.0)

To support the previous compute version, that requires to remove all the x-algo and probably those using groeslt or alternatively include lyra2re in an early version of ccminer. I can try to do that tomorrow if I find a moment (but can't test it...)

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December 22, 2014, 10:52:59 PM
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just transfered 65 VTC to an exchange, that was over a week GPU-mining, no cent profit at all, think relation earnings to costs is around 20 %, I am in it not for the money, but for what ?

That's exactly what I was saying...  Grin
if it isn't profitable don't sell... wait...  what can I say  Grin
sure it can get worst (or not), but that won't change a lot for you that you sell them or not...
seriously 3$ do you really need them now ?
The main problem is that all miner tends to think like that... then price decreases...

I am not a big trader, but what's clear is don't sell if you don't need too...

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December 22, 2014, 11:56:44 PM
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what's up with that price? for the moment basement, without asic and fly like an airplane hit :/
gpu miner facts #1 A gpu miner can't hold a coin for more than 10minutes without trying to dump it in a exchange  Grin
gpu miner facts #2: a gpu miner miner wants always to sell his coin first, no matter what
gpu miner facts #3: Sell panic is the normal state of mind of gpu miners, because they always thinks other gpu miner will try to sell first and lower than them... and actually that's what they do
gpu miner facts #4: gpu miners love to complain about how unprofitable a coin is, that's why they don't care about keeping a coin profitable

(better than Chuck Norris facts, Gpu miner facts)
 


so,change algo ,means kick off the asic miner,and leave behind the GPU miner dumping the price to  floor?
and dev kill the coin?
the profit is very low now,it is not worth to mine and dump.
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what's up with that price? for the moment basement, without asic and fly like an airplane hit :/
gpu miner facts #1 A gpu miner can't hold a coin for more than 10minutes without trying to dump it in a exchange  Grin
gpu miner facts #2: a gpu miner miner wants always to sell his coin first, no matter what
gpu miner facts #3: Sell panic is the normal state of mind of gpu miners, because they always thinks other gpu miner will try to sell first and lower than them... and actually that's what they do
gpu miner facts #4: gpu miners love to complain about how unprofitable a coin is, that's why they don't care about keeping a coin profitable

(better than Chuck Norris facts, Gpu miner facts)
 


so,change algo ,means kick off the asic miner,and leave behind the GPU miner dumping the price to  floor?
and dev kill the coin?
the profit is very low now,it is not worth to mine and dump.

never said it was logical  Grin

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December 23, 2014, 06:05:57 AM
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New blog post: Vertcoin Roadmap

https://vertcoin.org/wp/vertcoin-roadmap/

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1. PR Campaign
2. Hyper-Adaptive Block Confirmation (HABC)
3. Final discussion on subsidy reduction
4. Final discussion on increasing block maturity time

In my opinion, this is the wrong order, and it should be exactly reversed. I don't think it makes sense to try an launch a PR campaign, while promising a new feature and leaving some very critical issues (altering coin emission primarily and block maturity secondarily) to be determined at some later date. It's like, "hey guys, check out this awesome coin that we're gonna try and add a cool new feature to, and we may or may not change some critical details about the coin as well." I think the block maturity and coin emission issues should definitely be put to bed before any PR campaign, and ideally any awesome new features should be added before spending a bunch of money trying to market vertcoin. Just my two mVTC.


It's in this order primarily because we don't want to have to change the subsidy or block maturity time ideally. Thus we will only need to continue with these points if the PR campaign fails to solve the lack of investment we are seeing. HABC will take some time to implement and test fully, and we don't want Vertcoin to have no PR for that long.

Why would someone want to invest in something that can't commit to a defined schedule for coin emission? I'm not in favor of changing the subsidy either, but I think  keeping it on the table amounts to uncertainty in the coin's future, and that uncertainty makes it more difficult for anyone to have confidence in vert.

do listen to that guy.
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December 23, 2014, 07:51:15 AM
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Ёбаный в рот, блядь. Заебали уже с нодами, пулами и прочей технической хуйнёй возиться. Инфляция и так уже вертухаю в рот дала по самые гланды. Пока монета по пизде не пойдет полностью, девы чесаться не будут. Пиздец нахуй.

Make anything with inflation!

Chance favors the prepared mind. :-)
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