Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?

[asdf]

You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.

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[cryptoanarchist]

You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.

Clear, concise, no bullshit. I'll add you to my list of people I'll do business with, asdf. 

[R-]

Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.

[myrkul]

Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.

Thank you R-, We know you have a choice in who extorts you, and we're glad you went with Don Corleone.

[cryptoanarchist]

Q: Would you pay taxes if you could live off bitcoins?
A: Nah, I'd probably give the money to the Mafia like cbeast does.

Hey, in the mafia movies they usually only tax the local businesses around 10%, a lot less than the IRS.

[TheButterZone]

http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph5.html

[Hawker]

You make it sound simple.  If a man leaves his wife and baby and cancels their insurance, you are 100% happy to let that baby die?

Are you %100 happy to pull out a gun, stick it in the face of the nearest guy and say: "give me money to save the baby or else I'll kill you"? or are you willing to explore non-violent solutions, such as charity.

Also, collectivised healthcare is a Tragedy of the Commons scenario; creating scarcity. Which is why, in the socialised system, you have to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor to save your baby. Are you going to deny the baby immediate care because you have squandered health care resources by eliminating the price system?

Also, socialised health is a moral hazard; people take less care of themselves because society has "got it covered" if anything goes wrong. This also drives up costs and waste.

Less fiction please. 
1. There is no wait for emergency treatment in the UK.  Appointments are not needed - you drive up to an out of hours service and are usually seen within 30 minutes.  If you do want to use a GP service, its normally a same day appointment system but that is your choice.  If a doctor made me wait 2 days, I would take my business elsewhere.
2. People in the US die younger than in the UK.  The US pays 90% more for its health care as a percentage of GDP.  The socialised system is more efficient.
3. You seriously think that having people die younger at a greater cost is moral?  I regard it as extortion.

What amuses me is that you see a broken expensive system in the US and your response is "Freedom - hurray" while you see working systems in most other countries and your response is "OMFG oppression." 

[TheButterZone]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

[myrkul]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

+1

[westkybitcoins]

While I understand people have limited time during their day, I find it very interesting the posts (and portions of posts) those who support government healthcare choose to respond to, and which ones are snipped or ignored.

[mystery2048]

I dont have a problem paying taxes

[Hawker]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

[Hawker]

While I understand people have limited time during their day, I find it very interesting the posts (and portions of posts) those who support government healthcare choose to respond to, and which ones are snipped or ignored.

I try very hard to limit myself to one logical point per post.  Its the way I do customer service as well which is what I do when not browsing the web or coding/debugging.

[myrkul]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

Can't remember whether I picked this up here, or on the tweeters, but, here you go: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

[TheButterZone]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

That's like saying your personal, average entry-level PC which currently is infected with a boot sector virus that overwrites every important document you create is a working system, because the average entry-level Mac you could switch to (like I did around 2006) is more expensive.

Broken with nothing cheaper provided as example≠working. Gods help anyone who ever gets "customer service" from you. Deny, deny, deny.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

[Hawker]

What disgusts us is that you see broken expensive systems (in some similar, some different ways than the U.S.) in most other countries and your response is to call them "working systems".

That's a very fair point.  Perhaps there is some better idealised system out there that has never been tried.  All I will say is that until you have an example of a working system that is cheaper, socialised medicine fits the description of "working."  

Can't remember whether I picked this up here, or on the tweeters, but, here you go: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

[myrkul]

Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

[TheButterZone]

There's something to be said for rejecting others' reality and substituting your own, but all the time, seriously?

In trying to communicate with statists, I fear we're treading dangerously close to meeting Einstein's definition of insanity.

[myrkul]

There's something to be said for rejecting others' reality and substituting your own, but all the time, seriously?

In trying to communicate with statists, I fear we're treading dangerously close to meeting Einstein's definition of insanity.

...or being trolled. One way or the other, I'm about ready to stop slamming my head into this particular brick wall.

[Hawker]

Read the first page and its factually wrong.  The Beveridge Report was commissioned because people in the UK were not getting adequate health care.  Since the NHS was created, everyone has had health care that is free at the point of delivery and that is paid for through the tax system.

Well, I looked up the Beveridge Report, and I 1) did not find any references to it in the article, and 2) found scant information on Wikipedia, and none linking it to the information in the article. Some explanation would be appreciated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge#Report_on_social_insurance

Essentially they found that a more efficient system would make the Brits more prosperous.