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[cjmoles]

I think every btc poker player who's been around for a while owes something to SWC for getting the whole btc-poker arena started. Those early days were great times. I'd love to see SWC dominate the field again, and feel a bit guilty for not having played there recently. Hmmm ....

It should be the other way around.  SWC has the people of Bitcoin to thank for providing the site with traffic and action.  Without those people, SWC would be empty like it is now.  The same goes for all the other poker sites.

At least SWC doesn't throw anti-collusion tournaments and then invite colluders to play in them.

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and one's hair instantly stands up on one's arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

[marlais]

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and their hair instantly stands up on their arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

Out of curiosity, what are the names of the accounts that Twitchy is multiaccounting on at SWC? Or is this just a baseless accusation? If you think someone is colluding or multiaccounting, please report it to support@swcpoker.eu. I didn't know Twitchy was playing on the new SWC. When he was playing on old Seals, there was never anything to arouse my suspicion that he was multiaccounting.

[cjmoles]

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and on's hair instantly stands up on one's arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

Out of curiosity, what are the names of the accounts that Twitchy is multiaccounting on at SWC? Or is this just a baseless accusation? If you think someone is colluding or multiaccounting, please report it to support@swcpoker.eu. I didn't know Twitchy was playing on the new SWC. When he was playing on old Seals, there was never anything to arouse my suspicion that he was multiaccounting.

I never said that Twitchy was multi-accounting on SwC, just his mere presence is alarming enough because he has admitted to having several accounts on Betcoin.ag so that demonstrates that he does not see a problem with it.  Plus, his continued trolling false accusations makes playing at any room he's involved with a liability.  Just bad news....I have no idea what Twitchy is doing at SwC because I will not play at a room he frequents....I'm not even positive Twitchy has an account at SwC because he's known to misrepresent the truth, but as soon as I seen his name associated with the brand, I knew it was a site I would not visit.

[darkmule]

Just bad news....I have no idea what Twitchy is doing at SwC because I will not play at a room he frequents....I'm not even positive Twitchy has an account at SwC because he's known to misrepresent the truth, but as soon as I seen his name associated with the brand, I knew it was a site I would not visit.

So all someone has to do to stop you from playing on a site is just pretend to be this boogeyman and then you'll stay away?

Shill harder Betcoin bum.

[DarkDays]

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and their hair instantly stands up on their arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

Out of curiosity, what are the names of the accounts that Twitchy is multiaccounting on at SWC? Or is this just a baseless accusation? If you think someone is colluding or multiaccounting, please report it to support@swcpoker.eu. I didn't know Twitchy was playing on the new SWC. When he was playing on old Seals, there was never anything to arouse my suspicion that he was multiaccounting.

CJ doesn't have any proof of anything, he just spews whatever lies Daddy Betcoin tells him to.

Although it is ironic that he accuses others (with no proof) of multiaccounting sites:

[TwitchySeal]

According to cjmoles I'm also a swc shill, ddos attacker, and longtime cheater in online poker.

He either ignores requests for proof or claims he has proof but doesn't have time to find it...

[marlais]

I never said that Twitchy was multi-accounting on SwC, just his mere presents is alarming enough because he has admitted to having several accounts on Betcoin.ag so that demonstrates that he does not see a problem with it.  Plus, his continued trolling false accusations makes playing at any room he's involved with a liability.  Just bad news....I have no idea what Twitchy is doing at SwC because I will not play at a room he frequents....I'm not even positive Twitchy has an account at SwC because he's known to misrepresent the truth, but as soon as I seen his name associated with the brand, I knew it was a site I would not visit.

It seems that you are confusing having multiple accounts with multiaccounting. There is nothing that prohibits a player from having multiple accounts at SWC, so that demonstrates that SWC does not see a problem with it, either. However, multiaccounting (being logged in to multiple accounts at the same time to gain an advantage) is strictly prohibited. If you have evidence of the latter, I would love to hear about it. If you have evidence of the former, welcome to SWC.

[TwitchySeal]

I never said that Twitchy was multi-accounting on SwC, just his mere presents is alarming enough because he has admitted to having several accounts on Betcoin.ag so that demonstrates that he does not see a problem with it.  Plus, his continued trolling false accusations makes playing at any room he's involved with a liability.  Just bad news....I have no idea what Twitchy is doing at SwC because I will not play at a room he frequents....I'm not even positive Twitchy has an account at SwC because he's known to misrepresent the truth, but as soon as I seen his name associated with the brand, I knew it was a site I would not visit.

It seems that you are confusing having multiple accounts with multiaccounting. There is nothing that prohibits a player from having multiple accounts at SWC, so that demonstrates that SWC does not see a problem with it, either. However, multiaccounting (being logged in to multiple accounts at the same time to gain an advantage) is strictly prohibited. If you have evidence of the latter, I would love to hear about it. If you have evidence of the former, welcome to SWC.

Betcoin banned my account from their chat and forum (but not poker)

I have since created many many accounts on Betcoin for the sole purpose of posting on their forum and using their chat.

Cjmoles loves to call me a "multi-accounter" because it makes some people conclude I must be a cheater.

He know's there's a huge difference between "multi-accounting poker players" who are cheaters and poker players with multiple accounts. 

[pokerguru]

Long time not play here, how are you, Micon? My previous bct account was lost, i have to use the new one.  I remember micon was sued by US gorv long time ago, any progress?

[cjmoles]

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and their hair instantly stands up on their arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

Out of curiosity, what are the names of the accounts that Twitchy is multiaccounting on at SWC? Or is this just a baseless accusation? If you think someone is colluding or multiaccounting, please report it to support@swcpoker.eu. I didn't know Twitchy was playing on the new SWC. When he was playing on old Seals, there was never anything to arouse my suspicion that he was multiaccounting.

CJ doesn't have any proof of anything, he just spews whatever lies Daddy Betcoin tells him to.

Although it is ironic that he accuses others (with no proof) of multiaccounting sites:

Twitchy admitted he had multiple accounts on a single site!  Was he lying? (colored text added by cjmoles)

I think you're confusing a network with a site or network skin....they are not the same thing.  The WPN cited above is a whole network of different sites, many of which I was grandfathered into when the WPN absorbed skins from Merge as well as other brands....But, to be safe, I personally brought that fact up to support before I played on any alternative skins because my documents were validated by each independently.  And, I more recently confirmed it with Phil on his twitch channel....their reasoning is that their software does not allow multiple accounts to be open simultaneously on different network skins....I still don't agree with the practice however. (https://www.cardschat.com/showpost2667252-post457.html)

But, that's beside the point....my point is that Twitchy does weird things and brings unwanted heat to a site....makes inaccurate claims and gets the gaming authorities questioning regulatory issues, jurisdiction, and licensing agreements....Remember the last time a bitcoin poker room had that happen to them?  They had to move the whole operation and such....was bad news!  I know one thing: he wouldn't be so favored unnecessarily bringing the heat to some of the underground cardrooms where I live....that's just bad ju-ju!

[DarkDays]

But, that's beside the point....my point is that Twitchy does weird things and brings unwanted heat to a site....makes inaccurate claims and gets the gaming authorities questioning regulatory issues, jurisdiction, and licensing agreements....Remember the last time a bitcoin poker room had that happen to them?  They had to move the whole operation and such....was bad news!  I know one thing: he wouldn't be so favored unnecessarily bringing the heat to some of the underground cardrooms where I live....that's just bad ju-ju!

That's not "beside the point", it's literally the only point you brought up.  He has multiple accounts to chat with because support muted him.  You said that that is bad.  You have multiple accounts that you use to play on the same network with.  You said that isn't bad.

If his "multi-accounting" is bad, yours is 10x worse!  You can't have it both ways.

Your threats are hilarious, though.  Are you really going to hurt Twitchy for saying accurate things about a site that you claim to not work for?  I think that one is a little hollow.

[Giftcardtrades]

But, SWC has known multi-accounters playing there, like TwitchySeal.  You know that feeling one gets when they walk into an underground card club and their hair instantly stands up on their arms? The feeling where one's first instinct is to find a restroom to cheek the roll before heading back out the door toward the parking lot?  Well, that's the feeling I get when I see a room populated by characters such as the likes of him. I would never lay my money down on the wood as long as those types of people are lining the felt....it's just not a safe proposition.  Sorry, for the lack of action, but with such a small player base, it's hard to hide the "bad actors."

Out of curiosity, what are the names of the accounts that Twitchy is multiaccounting on at SWC? Or is this just a baseless accusation? If you think someone is colluding or multiaccounting, please report it to support@swcpoker.eu. I didn't know Twitchy was playing on the new SWC. When he was playing on old Seals, there was never anything to arouse my suspicion that he was multiaccounting.

CJ doesn't have any proof of anything, he just spews whatever lies Daddy Betcoin tells him to.

Although it is ironic that he accuses others (with no proof) of multiaccounting sites:

Twitchy admitted he had multiple accounts on a single site!  Was he lying? (colored text added by cjmoles)

I think you're confusing a network with a site or network skin....they are not the same thing.  The WPN cited above is a whole network of different sites, many of which I was grandfathered into when the WPN absorbed skins from Merge as well as other brands....But, to be safe, I personally brought that fact up to support before I played on any alternative skins because my documents were validated by each independently.  And, I more recently confirmed it with Phil on his twitch channel....their reasoning is that their software does not allow multiple accounts to be open simultaneously on different network skins....I still don't agree with the practice however. (https://www.cardschat.com/showpost2667252-post457.html)

But, that's beside the point....my point is that Twitchy does weird things and brings unwanted heat to a site....makes inaccurate claims and gets the gaming authorities questioning regulatory issues, jurisdiction, and licensing agreements....Remember the last time a bitcoin poker room had that happen to them?  They had to move the whole operation and such....was bad news!  I know one thing: he wouldn't be so favored unnecessarily bringing the heat to some of the underground cardrooms where I live....that's just bad ju-ju!

This is NOT multiaccounting.

WPN has many skins, and you can have an account at each, but you are not allowed to play on both at the same time. (The software wont even allow more than one skin to run on same computer at a time.)

ACR
True
BCP
Betcoin

Those are just 4 of the skins that use WPN, there are many more smaller ones also.

[cjmoles]

But, that's beside the point....my point is that Twitchy does weird things and brings unwanted heat to a site....makes inaccurate claims and gets the gaming authorities questioning regulatory issues, jurisdiction, and licensing agreements....Remember the last time a bitcoin poker room had that happen to them?  They had to move the whole operation and such....was bad news!  I know one thing: he wouldn't be so favored unnecessarily bringing the heat to some of the underground cardrooms where I live....that's just bad ju-ju!

That's not "beside the point", it's literally the only point you brought up.  He has multiple accounts to chat with because support muted him.  You said that that is bad.  You have multiple accounts that you use to play on the same network with.  You said that isn't bad.

If his "multi-accounting" is bad, yours is 10x worse!  You can't have it both ways.

Your threats are hilarious, though.  Are you really going to hurt Twitchy for saying accurate things about a site that you claim to not work for?  I think that one is a little hollow.

Are you slow?  Where are there threats?  I don't understand why you guys spend so much lying about stuff....are those techniques they taught at your junior college or are those University level skills taught in your state?  Anyway, I'm leaving this thread.....you guys can have fun palming each others roll here.

[DarkDays]

Where are there threats? 

I know one thing: he wouldn't be so favored unnecessarily bringing the heat to some of the underground cardrooms where I live....that's just bad ju-ju!

That is obviously a threat.  And with BCT going on the record saying they will comply with handing over poster's IP addresses to federal warrants, I understand why you are trying to back off now. 

It's probably a good idea to leave before your 'tough guy' shtick gets you in even more trouble.

[tspacepilot]

Long time not play here, how are you, Micon? My previous bct account was lost, i have to use the new one.  I remember micon was sued by US gorv long time ago, any progress?

For real?  Long time not read news here either, eh?  Micon and the govt reached some kinda settlement.  As far as I know he's staying away from online poker stuff cos he rightfully needs to think about how to protect his family and maintain his freedom to do so.

With respect to all this other drama, I sorta wish you guys would just give it a rest.   I've read through TwitchySeals many many pages of complaints and while I agree that some of the issues weren't handled gracefully, as far as I can tell, betcoinag isn't trying to cheat anyone.  Now it just looks like they're going to be trolled to death by Twitchy and co for as long as they try to exist.  My own experience there has been so-so.  I'm glad that their poker room kinda works (on one browser, and only some of the tabs work ...), so that's better than nothing, which is what I've currently got from SWC.  If SWC's new strategy is to try to troll competitors rather than improving their own product, then I think that's bad news for anyone who enjoyed bitcoin poker on any site.

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

[TwitchySeal]

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

Promoting Betcoin is only damaging the future of Bitcoin poker.
You're only promoting them because they pay you more than any other site.

Pathetic.

[tspacepilot]

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

Promoting Betcoin is only damaging the future of Bitcoin poker.
You're only promoting them because they pay you more than any other site.

Pathetic.

Close but incorrect.  I am promoting them because they're paying for my signature space.  However, I wouldn't sell that space to just anyone.  Fact of the matter is that their software (while certainly not great) is working better than SWC at the moment.  The other fact of the matter is that I'm not convinced by your constant trolling of them.  From what I've seen, they're really just looking better and better the more you are throwing crap at them and they're having to learn how to deal with it. 

Anywhoo, it's my sincere hope that SWC gets a working client for non-windoze users sometime.  But I'm really less hopeful that that will ever happen than I used to be.

[pokerguru]

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

Promoting Betcoin is only damaging the future of Bitcoin poker.
You're only promoting them because they pay you more than any other site.

Pathetic.

Betcoin poker is not bad at all, actually my assessment for betcoin poker is #1 in bitcoin industry. Why you always complain in the forum for many months.

[mrcuzamano]

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

Promoting Betcoin is only damaging the future of Bitcoin poker.
You're only promoting them because they pay you more than any other site.

Pathetic.

Close but incorrect.  I am promoting them because they're paying for my signature space.  However, I wouldn't sell that space to just anyone.  Fact of the matter is that their software (while certainly not great) is working better than SWC at the moment.  The other fact of the matter is that I'm not convinced by your constant trolling of them.  From what I've seen, they're really just looking better and better the more you are throwing crap at them and they're having to learn how to deal with it. 

Anywhoo, it's my sincere hope that SWC gets a working client for non-windoze users sometime.  But I'm really less hopeful that that will ever happen than I used to be.

damn dude you really need a link to the shit betcoin has done? most recently I remember somehing about a 503 btc jackpot winner being scammed(took a settlement or something) but they tried to pay him out 1 coin and be like stfu.

[tspacepilot]

Let's not continue this race towards the bottom.  Bitcoin poker needs to improve, and trolling competitors doesn't help with that.

Promoting Betcoin is only damaging the future of Bitcoin poker.
You're only promoting them because they pay you more than any other site.

Pathetic.

Close but incorrect.  I am promoting them because they're paying for my signature space.  However, I wouldn't sell that space to just anyone.  Fact of the matter is that their software (while certainly not great) is working better than SWC at the moment.  The other fact of the matter is that I'm not convinced by your constant trolling of them.  From what I've seen, they're really just looking better and better the more you are throwing crap at them and they're having to learn how to deal with it. 

Anywhoo, it's my sincere hope that SWC gets a working client for non-windoze users sometime.  But I'm really less hopeful that that will ever happen than I used to be.

damn dude you really need a link to the shit betcoin has done? most recently I remember somehing about a 503 btc jackpot winner being scammed(took a settlement or something) but they tried to pay him out 1 coin and be like stfu.

Don't need a link.  I already read them.  From what I read I saw them as starting off rather incompetent and becoming better and better, meanwhile the trolling of them has gotten louder and louder.  Anyway, I hope you know something about crowd mentalities and mob justice.  I'm working with them based on my own experience with them and what I've read.  Anyway, back on topic, when is SWC going to get a working client?