ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[ex-trader]

A one-time 0.06 div from this entire batch is hardly gonna save these shares.

well, the share price has increased 30+% since the news of these broke.  And while .06/share is not huge, it is 20 times greater than the last dividend. I imagine it will be split over several weeks, looking at .015/week at most.

That being said, I don't think this revenue is meant to "save" the share price, but merely keep things afloat until the next gen/deployment happens. If divs can be larger than .01 a week for 4-6 weeks, I think you'll see share prices go to 1.5 or beyond.

And that alone shows how naive the investors are who move their price perception based on dividends that'll only last weeks at best.

Thats just like when people bought AM above 5BTC because they were paying divs from 40% of the network, which was clearly unsustainable.

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[jawnzer]

Redfury eating AM's lunch:

http://youtu.be/zp0pM6UHono?t=44s

http://www.coindesk.com/redfury-2-6gh-usb-miner-now-available/

I must be missing something, somebody would actually pay for this?

[ventolin]

Somebody, please, explain me: how to sell my shares that was automatic transfer to Friedcat?

Importing Shares to Havelock Investment
There is no fee to import shares. There is no minimum quantity for importing shares.

How to Import Direct Shares:
1. Send an e-mail to fnnirvana@gmail.com & TAT Investments at tat.investments@gmail.com with the following message:

”Friedcat, please transfer (X) of my shares to the TAT Investments account at 1rHfXj4AwH9zymwwJuXnbXLiDbAE9V1uz -- tat.investments@gmail.com”

Also include the following info:
- Your current ASICMINER share-holding wallet address & e-mail address
- The quantity of shares you wish to transfer

2. If the e-mail address you have on file with ASICMINER is different than the one you use for your Havelock account, you MUST send an e-mail from the e-mail address you have registered with Havelock confirming this import request. If this is the case, please provided a dated, signed message from the host wallet to confirm ownership.
3. After confirmation from Friedcat is received, the AM1 shares will be added to your account within 48 hours or less.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for delays or errors in transfer confirmations by ASICMINER staff.
Please follow these instructions carefully to avoid problems.

Sending request by this rules for transfering.

P.S.: KCBitcoin thank you very much.

[hammurabi]

A one-time 0.06 div from this entire batch is hardly gonna save these shares.

well, the share price has increased 30+% since the news of these broke.  And while .06/share is not huge, it is 20 times greater than the last dividend. I imagine it will be split over several weeks, looking at .015/week at most.

That being said, I don't think this revenue is meant to "save" the share price, but merely keep things afloat until the next gen/deployment happens. If divs can be larger than .01 a week for 4-6 weeks, I think you'll see share prices go to 1.5 or beyond.

And that alone shows how naive the investors are who move their price perception based on dividends that'll only last weeks at best.

Thats just like when people bought AM above 5BTC because they were paying divs from 40% of the network, which was clearly unsustainable.

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.
Back then everything was said to be on track and as predicted. Since FC was underpromising and overdelivering such expectations were justified.

As we learned along the way information was not spread evenly among shareholders and we could see that some investors were selling in panic. Like eb3full for example who suddenly and out of nowhere put his 3500 shares on "pay what you want, now" sale auction. Also Vycid commented something like "I know some big whales who will be dumping soon". If I remember correctly.

So in my opinion only those who were privileged to information about incoming gen2 failure could make such a short call. Or those who were betting that after successful streak friedcat will trip on something eventually.

[ninjarobot]

The AM cube just seems to be a nifty way to repackage Gen1 chips...

I am not sure how he puts over 100 gen1 chips in that little box without causing nuclear fusion to occur. The unit is less than the 1 cubic foot it ships in.

Perhaps this is the first immersion cooling product from AM?

Or are you suggesting that the cube will be gen2 hardware? I thought gen2 was dead in the water and gen3 is scheduled for February...

[Franktank]

The AM cube just seems to be a nifty way to repackage Gen1 chips...

I am not sure how he puts over 100 gen1 chips in that little box without causing nuclear fusion to occur. The unit is less than the 1 cubic foot it ships in.

Perhaps this is the first immersion cooling product from AM?

Or are you suggesting that the cube will be gen2 hardware? I thought gen2 was dead in the water and gen3 is scheduled for February...

Last time I checked, a "full mask for 40 nm" would not be considered dead in the water.  

[velacreations]

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.

everyone's a perfect investor using hindsight...

And that alone shows how naive the investors are who move their price perception based on dividends that'll only last weeks at best.

I don't know.  Current prices are around .7 for AM, so buying now with the .06+ div coming over the next month earns you roughly 9% on your investment.  That's not a bad investment.

And seeing how share prices respond to increased dividends, it's likely that you'll be able to sell those shares at week 4 for more than you can buy them now.

In the current Bitcoin securities market, I'd say 9% in a month ain't too shabby.

[ninjarobot]

The AM cube just seems to be a nifty way to repackage Gen1 chips...

I am not sure how he puts over 100 gen1 chips in that little box without causing nuclear fusion to occur. The unit is less than the 1 cubic foot it ships in.

Perhaps this is the first immersion cooling product from AM?

Or are you suggesting that the cube will be gen2 hardware? I thought gen2 was dead in the water and gen3 is scheduled for February...

Last time I checked, a "full mask for 40 nm" would not be considered dead in the water. 

Sweet! So there will be a gen2 after all and release of a new product line (cubes) based on these is imminent? That would be good news!

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.
Back then everything was said to be on track and as predicted. Since FC was underpromising and overdelivering such expectations were justified.

As we learned along the way information was not spread evenly among shareholders and we could see that some investors were selling in panic. Like eb3full for example who suddenly and out of nowhere put his 3500 shares on "pay what you want, now" sale auction. Also Vycid commented something like "I know some big whales who will be dumping soon". If I remember correctly.

So in my opinion only those who were privileged to information about incoming gen2 failure could make such a short call. Or those who were betting that after successful streak friedcat will trip on something eventually.

+1 , well said sir, well said ...

[ex-trader]

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.

I did say so back then and sold out 100% of my shares. I'm trying to find the posts, but the search function is crap and I'm not keen to manually read 750 pages to find them.

[pinky]

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.
Back then everything was said to be on track and as predicted. Since FC was underpromising and overdelivering such expectations were justified.

As we learned along the way information was not spread evenly among shareholders and we could see that some investors were selling in panic. Like eb3full for example who suddenly and out of nowhere put his 3500 shares on "pay what you want, now" sale auction. Also Vycid commented something like "I know some big whales who will be dumping soon". If I remember correctly.

So in my opinion only those who were privileged to information about incoming gen2 failure could make such a short call. Or those who were betting that after successful streak friedcat will trip on something eventually.

+1 , well said sir, well said ...

Welcome to free market, where you sometimes have to think with your own head and make logic conclusions. I am very sorry if investors didn't see the correction coming, it was very evident.

[SebastianJu]

A one-time 0.06 div from this entire batch is hardly gonna save these shares.

well, the share price has increased 30+% since the news of these broke.  And while .06/share is not huge, it is 20 times greater than the last dividend. I imagine it will be split over several weeks, looking at .015/week at most.

That being said, I don't think this revenue is meant to "save" the share price, but merely keep things afloat until the next gen/deployment happens. If divs can be larger than .01 a week for 4-6 weeks, I think you'll see share prices go to 1.5 or beyond.

And that alone shows how naive the investors are who move their price perception based on dividends that'll only last weeks at best.

Thats just like when people bought AM above 5BTC because they were paying divs from 40% of the network, which was clearly unsustainable.

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.
Back then everything was said to be on track and as predicted. Since FC was underpromising and overdelivering such expectations were justified.

As we learned along the way information was not spread evenly among shareholders and we could see that some investors were selling in panic. Like eb3full for example who suddenly and out of nowhere put his 3500 shares on "pay what you want, now" sale auction. Also Vycid commented something like "I know some big whales who will be dumping soon". If I remember correctly.

So in my opinion only those who were privileged to information about incoming gen2 failure could make such a short call. Or those who were betting that after successful streak friedcat will trip on something eventually.

3500 shares arent enough to get a place in the privileged forum.

[prancing_around]

I think I'm gonna sue friedcat as well, charge him with breaking my heart 

[jimmothy]

Very easy for you to say after it did happen.

everyone's a perfect investor using hindsight...

And that alone shows how naive the investors are who move their price perception based on dividends that'll only last weeks at best.

I don't know.  Current prices are around .7 for AM, so buying now with the .06+ div coming over the next month earns you roughly 9% on your investment.  That's not a bad investment.

And seeing how share prices respond to increased dividends, it's likely that you'll be able to sell those shares at week 4 for more than you can buy them now.

In the current Bitcoin securities market, I'd say 9% in a month ain't too shabby.

You are forgetting that there is no such thing as a 0.06 div coming.. Simply made up number. To properly calculate how much dividends shareholders will recieve from the sales of all 500gh/s of these gen1 you have to subtract the cost to manufacture and distribute and then you can calculate the profit. In reality it will be nowhere near 0.06 per share.

However the cube proves that FC can provide competitive hardware using old tech, when he switches to gen2 he will have a huge advantage.

[Kouye]

I think I'm gonna sue friedcat as well, charge him with breaking my heart 

Friedcat never lied about being a hairy guy. This will go nowhere.
Or will it?

[velacreations]

You are forgetting that there is no such thing as a 0.06 div coming.. Simply made up number.
....
In reality it will be nowhere near 0.06 per share.

show your math.

The cost of manufacture has already been accounted for, in previous dividends.  We paid for this development upfront, not at the end.  The company won't be subtracting manufacturing cost from hardware sales to determine dividend. 

We're looking at sale price - shipping costs/400,000.

[jimmothy]

You are forgetting that there is no such thing as a 0.06 div coming.. Simply made up number.
....
In reality it will be nowhere near 0.06 per share.

show your math.

The cost of manufacture has already been accounted for, in previous dividends.  We paid for this development upfront, not at the end.  The company won't be subtracting manufacturing cost from hardware sales to determine dividend. 

We're looking at sale price - shipping costs/400,000.

How do you know that FC wont be retaining a percentage to cover the cost of this batch/future hardware? Also we don't know how much FC is selling these to wtcr for, obviously for wtcr to make a profit after paying for the hardware to be shipped overseas so they must be buying for marginally less than 1.9btc per cube

[velacreations]

How do you know that FC wont be retaining a percentage to cover the cost of this batch/future hardware? Also we don't know how much FC is selling these to wtcr for, obviously for wtcr to make a profit after paying for the hardware to be shipped overseas so they must be buying for marginally less than 1.9btc per cube

well, he won't be retaining a percentage to pay for this batch, because he already did that.  he could retain some for future, though he hasn't mentioned that as a possibility.

My estimate assumes a 1.5 price to WTCR.  That may be a bit lower, but I don't expect it to be significantly lower.

.06/share is .48 btc/GH.  @ 30 GH a cube, that puts the net revenue around 1.44 btc/unit.
.05/share is 1.2 btc/unit.
.04/share is .96 btc/unit

[101111]

Slightly OT: FC mentioned in today's West: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/tech/19663603/chip-designers-see-dollar-signs-in-bitcoin-miners/ article on bitcoin mining.

[finlof]

orphaned again - http://blockchain.info/block-index/437847/00000000000000098d22e43e8b43e22cafa1347b469a64bdf9a80c460b70c124