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November 22, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
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Next Gen Chips
The projected time of taping out of Gen3 is January 20. Power consumption target estimation is <0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. Please notice that the timeline is of course subject to change/adjust, and the estimation on power and cost is also based on software tool/simulation results.
what's the size of the first Gen 3 deployment?  will you be mining with it or selling as hardware?  When is the expected date of release of this hardware?

about 28nm, yes, after Jan 20

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November 22, 2013, 05:03:04 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx
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November 22, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
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about 28nm, yes, after Jan 20

Size, as in TH/s of the deployment, not the size of the chips.

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November 22, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

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November 22, 2013, 05:11:13 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx
KNC Jupiter is about 1.2 W/GH (230V), at the wall.
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November 22, 2013, 05:11:25 PM
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Next Gen Chips
The projected time of taping out of Gen3 is January 20. Power consumption target estimation is <0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. Please notice that the timeline is of course subject to change/adjust, and the estimation on power and cost is also based on software tool/simulation results.
what's the size of the first Gen 3 deployment?  will you be mining with it or selling as hardware?  When is the expected date of release of this hardware?

about 28nm, yes, after Jan 20

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November 22, 2013, 05:14:21 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

Not comparable at all, because AM has an invicible advantage  Grin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2610887#msg2610887

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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November 22, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

Well if AM can launch in Feb or (more likely) March, sounds like a *very* competitive solution.

Its amazed me AM kept making money for so long on Gen1 Hardware. The switch to Gen3 will be so sweet. And I expect the btc price to be way over $1000 by then. Bring it on AM!
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November 22, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

BFL vaporware (28nm) also cites 0.6 J/GH.

0.2 J/GH is absolutely stunning. Imagine this, together with liquid cooling. Way to go, FC!

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Bitfury (55nm) is, I believe 1.25 J/GH.

Hashfast is aiming for 0.65 J/GH.
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November 22, 2013, 05:22:40 PM
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"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

BFL vaporware (28nm) also cites 0.6 J/GH.

0.2 J/GH is absolutely stunning. Imagine this, together with liquid cooling. Way to go, FC!
it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

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November 22, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
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A good question for Fried Cat is what we plan to do with gen 3 when they roll out? Our own mining farm desperately needs to be upgraded and I think it would put a lot of share holders at ease to take back a large share of the network. Obviously we should try and maximize profit so it might be best to sell the vast majority of the chips but I think stabilizing the variance in dividends would give a lot of us long term share holders peace of mind.


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November 22, 2013, 05:26:08 PM
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it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

Actually, it's Watt per Gigahash per second. And since Watt is also known as Joule per second, you can cancel the s in the fraction, and you are left with J/GH.

Clear?
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November 22, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
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it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

Actually, it's Watt per Gigahash per second. And since Watt is also known as Joule per second, you can cancel the s in the fraction, and you are left with J/GH.

Clear?
oh, I see.  Cool, thank you!

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November 22, 2013, 06:03:05 PM
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so Gen2 is skipped?
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November 22, 2013, 06:04:11 PM
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Was this FC prepping to buy Gen3?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204

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November 22, 2013, 06:04:35 PM
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so Gen2 is skipped?
I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.
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November 22, 2013, 06:06:12 PM
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so Gen2 is skipped?
I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.

Yes, it was skipped. FC mentioned this in the past. Apparently the performance wasn't as good as they hoped and they just decided to move on... probably a good move.
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November 22, 2013, 06:18:16 PM
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so Gen2 is skipped?
I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.

Yes, it was skipped. FC mentioned this in the past. Apparently the performance wasn't as good as they hoped and they just decided to move on... probably a good move.
According to friedcat Gen2 is not worthwhile for 2 reasons:
1) Gen2 would come out relatively late due to some factors outside of AM's control
2) Gen3 shows promising results and the roll-out seems to be better/more reliably organized

Thus funds are better to be spent on Gen3 hardware. The production schedule will depend on a risk/reward ratio determined by friedcat. Deviations from the schedule need to be anticipated when rolling out a new product technology, so hedge accordingly when speculating on AM.

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November 22, 2013, 06:19:40 PM
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That is amazing performance... and I'm glad it's taping out so fast. I'm glad gen2 was skipped and we have a competitive offering so soon in early next year.

Even more important is that friedcat is the only one with the infrastructure that can mass-produce hardware at an enormous scale. Nobody has the supply chain he has.

Pumped.

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November 22, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
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Even more important is that friedcat is the only one with the infrastructure that can mass-produce hardware at an enormous scale. Nobody has the supply chain he has.

Hmmm may I ask you, how you know this?

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