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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3916416 times)
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October 27, 2013, 08:12:31 PM
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My takehome message from this is asicminer's income was 2 orders of magnitude higher than expense this quarter. (And they get really cheap electricity.)

I don't know what inference can be made about the electricity. Assuming ~50TH means ~5000 blades at 75W each, running 24 hours a day, we get 9000 kWh/day.

The question is - what period of time does the report represent? Probably 1 quarter, so ~90 days. So we get 810000 kWh for 760,035.12¥, or 0.9383¥/kWh.

That converts to 0.15 $/kWh. Color me very unimpressed. I thought it was about $0.07/kWh.

(If that is the case, then perhaps the statement is for 180 days - the financial half.)

As for their income being 2 orders of magnitude higher than expense, that is a bad thing. That means as their margins shrink, their profits have a long way to fall from their current levels. You want profits to be due to high revenues, not low expenses... Not to mention that AM's hardware will shortly be out of date.

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October 27, 2013, 08:17:03 PM
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It's impossible to determine anything given they haven't bothered to show the most fundamental piece of information i.e. what period does it cover....

AM might be expert at chips, but it does not understand shareholder communication or financial reports.
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October 27, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
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Compared to the last financial report:

- Mining revenue is decreasing rapidly; in fact it is less than a third of the reported revenue on the last fin. report
- Hardware sales are inline, -i.e not increasing at all and not increasing to cover mining loses
- Expenses are way up
- Plus no plan for the future has been reported.
- Shrinking revenues is not a good thing to see on a bitcoin-related company.

Conclusion: this time selling shares is justified. Owning shares is a high risk now.
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October 27, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
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The share price declined by over 85% since the last report, while net profit declined by 50%.

Last report (July, 23rd): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2788821#msg2788821

Share price: about 4.5 BTC
Net profit: about 162,020 BTC

Today:

Share price: about 0.6-0.7 BTC
Net profit: about 84,513 BTC

Make your conclusions from that.
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October 27, 2013, 09:07:04 PM
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The share price declined by over 85% since the last report, while net profit declined by 50%.

Last report (July, 23rd): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2788821#msg2788821

Share price: about 4.5 BTC
Net profit: about 162,020 BTC

Today:

Share price: about 0.6-0.7 BTC
Net profit: about 84,513 BTC

Make your conclusions from that.

I jumped to MCX by then, And today I am jumping deeper into MCX and other ventures.

Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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October 27, 2013, 09:07:47 PM
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The share price declined by over 85% since the last report, while net profit declined by 50%.

Last report (July, 23rd): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2788821#msg2788821

Share price: about 4.5 BTC
Net profit: about 162,020 BTC

Today:

Share price: about 0.6-0.7 BTC
Net profit: about 84,513 BTC

Make your conclusions from that.

Right now I see a community practically pleading with FC to prove this is not the titanic.  Big promises and not delivering in any way that makes folks optimistic. 
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October 27, 2013, 09:33:56 PM
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This is terrible news, its definitely over. SELL SELL SELL
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October 27, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
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This is terrible news, its definitely over. SELL SELL SELL

You want to buy cheap shares?
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October 27, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
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I am glad that a bunch of people will not understand what they are seeing and sell. It is just the beginning of a company that has begun the revolution of bitcoin. I for one am staying with AM and the proven over and over methods of what it takes to stay numeral
Uno in the bitcoin world. Without Friedcat and ASICminer we wouldn't have mining anywhere near what it is today. Keep on selling so I can keep on buying.

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October 27, 2013, 10:10:43 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.

Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
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October 27, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.

Top grade investing. A+.

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October 27, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.

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Ditto, way too big of a loss to walk away right now.  It is indeed a gamble, but at this much of a loss why not?
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October 27, 2013, 10:21:00 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.

Top grade investing. A+.

Never love a stock, because it won't love you back.

Ditto, way too big of a loss to walk away right now.  It is indeed a gamble, but at this much of a loss why not?

Vycid was talking about emotional investing just to clarify
But I can see the it can only go down to 0 at most and it does have a value at this range now so lets trust in the company view
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October 27, 2013, 10:27:30 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.

Top grade investing. A+.

Never love a stock, because it won't love you back.

Ditto, way too big of a loss to walk away right now.  It is indeed a gamble, but at this much of a loss why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

Consider the losses you've suffered on AM an educational expense.

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October 27, 2013, 10:35:52 PM
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I'm staying too.  Not because I'm too confident, but because it's just too late for me to sell at this point.  My logic is telling me to stop losses in this extremely uncertain situation, but my emotions are urging me to hope that AM will somehow get back on track.
I'm with you in this...
What I would gain from selling now would be tiny compared to my loss. So at this point I wouldn't even lose much more if price would go to 0, and I prefer to hold for the long term.


Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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October 27, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
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I think the report should be include the planing program.....
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October 27, 2013, 11:22:16 PM
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one possible positive from the report is the high amount listed under "materials and deposits"

I guess this means gear that hasn't been put in miners yet. hopefully.
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October 27, 2013, 11:33:57 PM
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Net revenue from hardware sales: BTC 71k

Net revenue from mining: BTC 33k

Hardware is now more than two thirds of the revenue stream, these numbers show the extent to which Friedcat is working hard (and well) to diversify the business.

In the short-medium term, even the revenue from hardware is going to continue to diminish to the point of break-even or even negative ROI for sellers (let alone buyers). 

Bottom line, even the log scale for difficulty (http://www.blockchained.com/ 7th chart down) is increasing exponentially, and anything with a revenue stream inversely proportional to it is fighting a losing battle.

Personally I'd like to see Friedcat looking further ahead and working to develop relationships and products aimed at the merchant services markets (e.g. dedicated processing capabilities for companies like Bitpay/MtGox), or even entering the MS/payment market themselves as consumer interest in China grows.

I have a few shares, I no longer think of them as an opportunity to profit from mining hashpower alone - AM needs innovation beyond "the next batch".
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October 28, 2013, 02:40:48 AM
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I am glad that a bunch of people will not understand what they are seeing and sell. It is just the beginning of a company that has begun the revolution of bitcoin. I for one am staying with AM and the proven over and over methods of what it takes to stay numeral
Uno in the bitcoin world. Without Friedcat and ASICminer we wouldn't have mining anywhere near what it is today. Keep on selling so I can keep on buying.

Wow so Satoshi is the one behind it! Satoshi is friedcat! or maybe you mean they started the concept! Wow I didnt know they were that great of a company  Roll Eyes.

Please read the old posts, EVERYONE expected EXACTLY these current events, Alot of them sold at 4 then 3 then 2, And made a killing since most were here since IPO.

Don't forget the goal is to grow your BTC, Right now just holding is better than getting in, Personally I will get back in at lower prices when ASICMINER "DELIVERS" and "DEPLOYS" again.

Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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October 28, 2013, 02:56:22 AM
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Net revenue from hardware sales: BTC 71k

Net revenue from mining: BTC 33k

Hardware is now more than two thirds of the revenue stream, these numbers show the extent to which Friedcat is working hard (and well) to diversify the business.

In the short-medium term, even the revenue from hardware is going to continue to diminish to the point of break-even or even negative ROI for sellers (let alone buyers).  

Bottom line, even the log scale for difficulty (http://www.blockchained.com/ 7th chart down) is increasing exponentially, and anything with a revenue stream inversely proportional to it is fighting a losing battle.

Personally I'd like to see Friedcat looking further ahead and working to develop relationships and products aimed at the merchant services markets (e.g. dedicated processing capabilities for companies like Bitpay/MtGox), or even entering the MS/payment market themselves as consumer interest in China grows.

I have a few shares, I no longer think of them as an opportunity to profit from mining hashpower alone - AM needs innovation beyond "the next batch".
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disclaimer: I have few shares, i'm in longterm, in desperation phase, emotional about my investment and drunk  Smiley

because AM is not taking preorders and therefore isn't in a hurry releasing any info about the next hardware generation, future development is a blank page for speculation atm.
ergo only info is hashing rate and current earnings, which everybody is focussing on.

no company is finished after half a year of orientation.
Apple has also been quite a shitty company for a long time.
Companies need minds at the top that look out for innovation and observe future market possibilities and friedcat has proven that for me so far.
He must not be the top manager guy...if he and his crew spit out a product like e.g. a well-priced nextgen blade concept oriented towards larger mining farms in combo with their own patented immersion cooling system,AM is back in the game in no time.
And if it's not mining hardware in the long run, well so be it, plenty of other possibilities around.

This is a fast-moving market, but still in toddler phase. Not many companies will stand through the beginning years.
I'd feel stupid now if i invested money and cash out with a big loss without even knowing in what the withholded earnings even will result in half a year or so.

either you want fast money, well shit time is over (at least for now)...
or you see a future for a company in the big playground of bitcoin economy.



shit did i really paint that...f**k i must be desperate  Grin



Don't forget the goal is to grow your BTC, Right now just holding is better than getting in, Personally I will get back in at lower prices when ASICMINER "DELIVERS" and "DEPLOYS" again.

mining game is already a ratrace now and i don't even want to imagine how it looks in a year.
consider how amd and nvidia are running for these little fps in current phase of graphicchip-development. at some point you sink huge numbers in chip development and one false investment and you're at the edge.
It's much smarter to diversify during an early stage than get stuck in this develop-deliever-deploy-cycle in one market constantly trying to squeeze out more and more hashes.



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