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November 23, 2013, 04:43:20 PM |
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How many asic companies are there that are delivering in-hand hardware and not needing to rely on pre-orders to develop it? How many companies in the world (virtual or not) are there that have no debt?
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dexX7
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November 23, 2013, 04:59:24 PM |
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So you are saying ActM has currently mined 0 bitcoins? If so, its not a great track record compared with AM. No, of course I don't compare them in that way. Sorry, if this was not clear. The price spiked based on the press release (which was foreseeable), tumbled and then slowely slided down and might come back up, if ActM delivers. The similarity is that AM made an announcement of gen 3, the market reacted, but if there is nothing new in the mid-term, I see the same happening till AM delivers. Yes, plus there is at least 9000 btc incoming from cube sales. Preorder? Yeah, a preorder that pays you nice divs while waiting for the motherload.
3000 out of 9000 were ordered. Though Carnary's 100 were sold within 24 hours, so it takes probably only a short timeframe. |
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November 23, 2013, 06:20:33 PM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now?
Costs have already been paid for, there is no way shipping is 20% of that price.
Is friedcat still selling miners for a price that includes the shipping cost? Thats bad business practice since buyers will compare to other miners and those wont have the shipping cost included for sure. Its better to be able to show a price that is a bit better and at the end of ordering put the shipping cost on top. At that point a customer doesnt care anymore about shipping cost because he awaited it. But including it from the start will drive potential customers away. |
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lophie
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November 23, 2013, 06:25:26 PM |
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Q) Can Lophie change ONE letter and make this post very very scary and inaproperiate? A) YES,! Is friedcat still selling minors for a price that includes the shipping cost? Thats bad business practice since buyers will compare to other minors and those wont have the shipping cost included for sure. Its better to be able to show a price that is a bit better and at the end of ordering put the shipping cost on top. At that point a customer doesnt care anymore about shipping cost because he awaited it. But including it from the start will drive potential customers away.
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Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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weaknesswaran
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November 23, 2013, 06:57:10 PM |
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Is friedcat still selling miners for a price that includes the shipping cost? Thats bad business practice since buyers will compare to other miners and those wont have the shipping cost included for sure. Its better to be able to show a price that is a bit better and at the end of ordering put the shipping cost on top. At that point a customer doesnt care anymore about shipping cost because he awaited it. But including it from the start will drive potential customers away.
I disagree. Customers always pay shipping costs, they are included in the price. When somebody buys more than one unit, shipping costs are paid multiple times but actual costs won´t rise much. |
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JimiQ84
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November 23, 2013, 07:38:36 PM |
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friedcat sells bulks to resellers (probably shipping included in price) and resellers sell to customers, shipping extra
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November 23, 2013, 08:08:48 PM |
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Can someone give me the link with the direct shares listed together with the amount of shares and the div-address?
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November 23, 2013, 08:25:23 PM |
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Is friedcat still selling miners for a price that includes the shipping cost? Thats bad business practice since buyers will compare to other miners and those wont have the shipping cost included for sure. Its better to be able to show a price that is a bit better and at the end of ordering put the shipping cost on top. At that point a customer doesnt care anymore about shipping cost because he awaited it. But including it from the start will drive potential customers away.
I don't know if he includes it or not, but I expect he does. It's not a bad thing, because he earns in BTC and shipping is paid in Fiat. It certainly won't make up 20% of the sell price. |
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November 23, 2013, 08:39:36 PM |
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Regarding shipping... the problem is probably nearly not existing when he sells miners only to resellers and with a minimum units per shipment. Then shipping cost wouldnt matter much. What i mean is it would be bad for enduser sales since endusers only check the prices for the miners and dont care about shipping cost for the moment. Even all the comparing websites only take the normal miner prices to compare. If a cube for 1 BTC includes shipping cost and a miner form another company with the same specs doesnt contain shipping cost but is 0.95 BTC because of that then it looks like Asicminer is a bit more expensive and most people want to get things the cheapest way. So at compare lists like http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/ asicminer would have a disadvantage from the start. Of course friedcat would receive more money when customers buy more miners in one shipment but customers have to get to that point first. Thats why i think its best to price miners at 0.95 BTC, have the miners look more competitive this way and each customer will pay the shipping cost at the end without thinking much about it. Even when he would think carefully before if another miner would be a small bit cheaper. I only think its an advantage that i always would use if possible. Of course its relatively theoretical if he only trades with resellers. |
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November 23, 2013, 09:06:34 PM |
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KS
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November 23, 2013, 09:09:08 PM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now? Both are correct. Gen2 was 55 or 65nm (can't be bothered to look it up, it's dead) and was scrapped. Gen3 is 40nm and that's what's coming next after Gen1. |
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November 23, 2013, 10:05:53 PM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now? Both are correct. Gen2 was 55 or 65nm (can't be bothered to look it up, it's dead) and was scrapped. Gen3 is 40nm and that's what's coming next after Gen1. Really? Man... all this floating infos... i was convinced that friedcat works on 28nm... ok... then gen3 Asicminer ist 40nm... |
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jimmothy
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November 23, 2013, 10:21:20 PM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now? Both are correct. Gen2 was 55 or 65nm (can't be bothered to look it up, it's dead) and was scrapped. Gen3 is 40nm and that's what's coming next after Gen1. Really? Man... all this floating infos... i was convinced that friedcat works on 28nm... ok... then gen3 Asicminer ist 40nm... No info regarding the chip size is confirmed. But with the little info we have it does look like 40nm might be gen3 |
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November 23, 2013, 11:26:53 PM |
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Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?
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KS
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November 23, 2013, 11:53:38 PM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now? Both are correct. Gen2 was 55 or 65nm (can't be bothered to look it up, it's dead) and was scrapped. Gen3 is 40nm and that's what's coming next after Gen1. Really? Man... all this floating infos... i was convinced that friedcat works on 28nm... ok... then gen3 Asicminer ist 40nm... No info regarding the chip size is confirmed. But with the little info we have it does look like 40nm might be gen3 40nm is clearly stated in the latest financial report. |
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jimmothy
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November 24, 2013, 12:03:22 AM |
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And 28nm is not coming next. Next is 40nm.
Next is 40nm? I think gen2 was scrapped because it didnt work and friedcat moved on to work with gen3 because it was more promising? So whats correct now? Both are correct. Gen2 was 55 or 65nm (can't be bothered to look it up, it's dead) and was scrapped. Gen3 is 40nm and that's what's coming next after Gen1. Really? Man... all this floating infos... i was convinced that friedcat works on 28nm... ok... then gen3 Asicminer ist 40nm... No info regarding the chip size is confirmed. But with the little info we have it does look like 40nm might be gen3 40nm is clearly stated in the latest financial report. Yes but it was not clear whether 40nm would be gen2 or gen3. The next gen will most likely be 40nm. |
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November 24, 2013, 12:27:21 AM |
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It was clear gen2 was 55 or 65, and was abandoned. The next one developed is 40nm, that was also clear. 28 was never mentioned, if some of you are misleaded it's just because...
Lot of made-up stuff recently! This thread was reasonably thoughtful usually (compared to others at least...), but in the last weeks it seems the price as attracted a bunch of new investors that feel the need to write everything with such a strong self-confidence despite the fact that they pretty much have nothing to say or worse, they have BS to say. When you don't have anything constructive to say, you know you can just keep silent, too?
I could as well just click the "ignore" buttons repeatedly as I'm sure others did here recently, but I wanted to say it instead because really, it's a pitty for this thread.
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Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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jimmothy
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November 24, 2013, 01:47:16 AM |
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Wow indeed the friedcat post never mentions 28 nm... and yet I started thinking it was. What is up with this thread lately? Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?
Actually efficiency might not be the biggest concern yet (cheap electricity, or selling instead of mining). Price per GH matters more. How does next gen price per gh compare to the competition? |
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jimmothy
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November 24, 2013, 01:53:17 AM |
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Lot of made-up stuff recently!
Care to elaborate instead of a pointless rant? As far as I know the only misinformation floating around was that gen3 would be 28nm. Friedcat had not made it clear what size each gen was and 28nm is seen as the gold standard so I can see why many thought it would be next gen. All it takes is one person to point out that 28nm was never in fact mentioned like pankakke did and the confusion is instantly cleared. |
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