ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[binaryFate]

Wow indeed the friedcat post never mentions 28 nm... and yet I started thinking it was.
What is up with this thread lately?

Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?

Actually efficiency might not be the biggest concern yet (cheap electricity, or selling instead of mining). Price per GH matters more.

How does next gen price per gh compare to the competition?

Very same question asked 6 pages ago:

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

(and several answers following, I'm sure you can find them among the crap)

So now we even loop for ever? Seriously! Do you need me to elaborate further?

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[jimmothy]

Wow indeed the friedcat post never mentions 28 nm... and yet I started thinking it was.
What is up with this thread lately?

Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?

Actually efficiency might not be the biggest concern yet (cheap electricity, or selling instead of mining). Price per GH matters more.

How does next gen price per gh compare to the competition?

Very same question asked 6 pages ago:

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

(and several answers following, I'm sure you can find them among the crap)

So now we even loop for ever? Seriously! Do you need me to elaborate further?

instead of quoting the info I already know why not the quote that explains how it compares? Yes please do elaborate more.

[binaryFate]

@jimmothy: Man, I didn't want to sound rude, honest appologize if I did. I'm just disappointed in general by the lack of any relevant (ie, based on something tangible) discussions recently.
The answers to be quoted are in the last 6 pages, it would take me the same time to find and quote them for you than for you to find them directly

[jimmothy]

@jimmothy: Man, I didn't want to sound rude, honest appologize if I did. I'm just disappointed in general by the lack of any relevant (ie, based on something tangible) discussions recently.
The answers to be quoted are in the last 6 pages, it would take me the same time to find and quote them for you than for you to find them directly

I have seen a few comparisons of watt/gh but none comparing the chip cost/gh.

[binaryFate]

CoinTerra [...]
A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

That's not comparable because this is the price based on the final machine to be bought. Nobody knows exactly the chip cost of competitors AFAIK, I guess this is very sensitive info.

[stripykitteh]

This is going to work out perfect. Dividends will dry up almost completely well before Gen3 is ready. Share prices will tend to zero, and I can pick up 100 more shares under a bitcoin in total 

Yes, I don't think anyone else has pointed that out yet, though I suspect a few cannier people have realized it.

No new chips until realistically April next year means the dividends are going to be in the doldrums for a long time, even if they pay out all profits in full.

I held out some hope that AM was a lot further down the track with the next gen chip, and I was prepared to have a little flutter. But history has shown that for better or worse AM's share price tends to rise and fall with the dividend. With the new chip a long way off even long-term bulls must realize that the share price is going to tank in the meantime.

If I could short AM now I would.

[WillBit]

This is going to work out perfect. Dividends will dry up almost completely well before Gen3 is ready. Share prices will tend to zero, and I can pick up 100 more shares under a bitcoin in total 

Yes, I don't think anyone else has pointed that out yet, though I suspect a few cannier people have realized it.

No new chips until realistically April next year means the dividends are going to be in the doldrums for a long time, even if they pay out all profits in full.

I held out some hope that AM was a lot further down the track with the next gen chip, and I was prepared to have a little flutter. But history has shown that for better or worse AM's share price tends to rise and fall with the dividend. With the new chip a long way off even long-term bulls must realize that the share price is going to tank in the meantime.

If I could short AM now I would.

Shhhhhhhhh.....




....Gen 3 is coming out soon! TO DA MOON!

[David Chen]

Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?

Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm

[empoweoqwj]

Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?

Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm

lol, what the heck does that mean? Does it "quiver" somehow?

Sorry, I agree. This thread is getting really pathethic. People just writing any old nonsense.

Now that friedcat is hiring someone to do public relations work, if you really care what nm AM is using for Gen3, why not just wait until AM tell us.

Personally, I don't care. Cost/GH is what matters, then power consumption. What goes on inside the box / cube / hypercube, who gives a monkey? Clearly the people buying cubes out in 24 hrs don't.

[minerpumpkin]

I couldn't agree more.
Actually, at that point, you should inverse care, if that makes sense. A few months ago people where all worked up about "28 nm" without absolutely any interest in actual performance characteristics. And probably without understanding anything about chip development - and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't fool yourself. What's happening now with the recent and coming deliveries shows it was misguided.

True words, George Costanza!

[romerun]

Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?

Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm

Source?

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

ASICminer shares distribution 20/11/2013

5000+ shares - 11 addresses
1000+ shares - 19 addresses
500+   shares - 18 addresses
200+   shares - 52 addresses
100+   shares - 67 addresses
50+     shares - 102 addresses
50-      shares - 908 addresses

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Be free to play with this ... and share your findings

[CanaryInTheMine]

FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible.  That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.

3000 btc is .0075 per share.

Incorrect.

[velacreations]

FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible.  That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.

3000 btc is .0075 per share.

Incorrect.

Incorrect on what?  Could you explain where and how that we are incorrect?

[KS]

FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible.  That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.

3000 btc is .0075 per share.

Incorrect.

Incorrect on what?  Could you explain where and how that we are incorrect?

You seem to assume 100% profit (i.e. you don't deduce anything for the cost of hardware/shipping/etc).

But yes, 3000/400000=0.0075

[MilkyWayMasta]

404 Bitcoin in ASICMiner mining address. How many did it have last week?

[Elokane]

Seems to me that, unless the information takes more time to penetrate than I imagine, share price won't go (much?) below the current ~0.4 price point. Unless some people only wake up when dividends become extinct.

[damiano]

Shares price will go lower now

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344580.0

starting bids reduced to .29 now

these are direct shares as well so ya...

there's also 1,320 to sell so its not like these will go quick...

[MilkyWayMasta]

Shares price will go lower now

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344580.0

starting bids reduced to .29 now

these are direct shares as well so ya...

there's also 1,320 to sell so its not like these will go quick...

[Vycid]

Havelock asks are now at 0.21 BTC/share.