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November 24, 2013, 02:02:13 AM |
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@jimmothy: Man, I didn't want to sound rude, honest appologize if I did. I'm just disappointed in general by the lack of any relevant (ie, based on something tangible) discussions recently. The answers to be quoted are in the last 6 pages, it would take me the same time to find and quote them for you than for you to find them directly
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Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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jimmothy
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November 24, 2013, 02:04:26 AM |
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@jimmothy: Man, I didn't want to sound rude, honest appologize if I did. I'm just disappointed in general by the lack of any relevant (ie, based on something tangible) discussions recently. The answers to be quoted are in the last 6 pages, it would take me the same time to find and quote them for you than for you to find them directly I have seen a few comparisons of watt/gh but none comparing the chip cost/gh.
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binaryFate
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November 24, 2013, 02:09:12 AM |
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CoinTerra [...] A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH. Though the price is probably not really comparable. That's not comparable because this is the price based on the final machine to be bought. Nobody knows exactly the chip cost of competitors AFAIK, I guess this is very sensitive info.
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Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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November 24, 2013, 02:15:03 AM |
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This is going to work out perfect. Dividends will dry up almost completely well before Gen3 is ready. Share prices will tend to zero, and I can pick up 100 more shares under a bitcoin in total Yes, I don't think anyone else has pointed that out yet, though I suspect a few cannier people have realized it. No new chips until realistically April next year means the dividends are going to be in the doldrums for a long time, even if they pay out all profits in full. I held out some hope that AM was a lot further down the track with the next gen chip, and I was prepared to have a little flutter. But history has shown that for better or worse AM's share price tends to rise and fall with the dividend. With the new chip a long way off even long-term bulls must realize that the share price is going to tank in the meantime. If I could short AM now I would.
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WillBit
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November 24, 2013, 03:03:42 AM |
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This is going to work out perfect. Dividends will dry up almost completely well before Gen3 is ready. Share prices will tend to zero, and I can pick up 100 more shares under a bitcoin in total Yes, I don't think anyone else has pointed that out yet, though I suspect a few cannier people have realized it. No new chips until realistically April next year means the dividends are going to be in the doldrums for a long time, even if they pay out all profits in full. I held out some hope that AM was a lot further down the track with the next gen chip, and I was prepared to have a little flutter. But history has shown that for better or worse AM's share price tends to rise and fall with the dividend. With the new chip a long way off even long-term bulls must realize that the share price is going to tank in the meantime. If I could short AM now I would. Shhhhhhhhh..... ....Gen 3 is coming out soon! TO DA MOON!
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November 24, 2013, 04:16:24 AM |
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Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?
Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm
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reputation is everything.
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empoweoqwj
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November 24, 2013, 05:10:58 AM |
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Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?
Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm lol, what the heck does that mean? Does it "quiver" somehow? Sorry, I agree. This thread is getting really pathethic. People just writing any old nonsense. Now that friedcat is hiring someone to do public relations work, if you really care what nm AM is using for Gen3, why not just wait until AM tell us. Personally, I don't care. Cost/GH is what matters, then power consumption. What goes on inside the box / cube / hypercube, who gives a monkey? Clearly the people buying cubes out in 24 hrs don't.
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November 24, 2013, 12:50:41 PM |
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I couldn't agree more. Actually, at that point, you should inverse care, if that makes sense. A few months ago people where all worked up about "28 nm" without absolutely any interest in actual performance characteristics. And probably without understanding anything about chip development - and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't fool yourself. What's happening now with the recent and coming deliveries shows it was misguided.
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I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
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November 24, 2013, 01:26:47 PM |
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Who cares if 28 or 40? The most important is 0.2W/GH, isn't it?
Yes, and by the way, the generation 3 is between 28nm~33nm Source?
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November 24, 2013, 03:18:06 PM Last edit: November 24, 2013, 03:28:39 PM by bitcoin.newsfeed |
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ASICminer shares distribution 20/11/2013 5000+ shares - 11 addresses 1000+ shares - 19 addresses 500+ shares - 18 addresses 200+ shares - 52 addresses 100+ shares - 67 addresses 50+ shares - 102 addresses 50- shares - 908 addresses EDIT : File:AM_shareholders_list_112013_simple.xlsx Size:58 KB Download: https://mega.co.nz/#!uNdzyZrK!O_D5LTagLuis0vjUw3cm9AWe6tYQia4Zh3R9SccbUBw Be free to play with this ... and share your findings
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... Question Everything, Believe Nothing ...
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CanaryInTheMine
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November 24, 2013, 04:15:55 PM |
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FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible. That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.
3000 btc is .0075 per share.
Incorrect.
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November 24, 2013, 04:37:30 PM |
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FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible. That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.
3000 btc is .0075 per share.
Incorrect. Incorrect on what? Could you explain where and how that we are incorrect?
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November 24, 2013, 05:23:06 PM |
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FC said 9000 cubes, and they are charging at least 1 btc for each cube, so yeah, 9000 btc for the total is possible. That also means that at least ~3000 btc worth of cubes have been sold already.
3000 btc is .0075 per share.
Incorrect. Incorrect on what? Could you explain where and how that we are incorrect? You seem to assume 100% profit (i.e. you don't deduce anything for the cost of hardware/shipping/etc). But yes, 3000/400000=0.0075
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MilkyWayMasta
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November 24, 2013, 06:34:36 PM |
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404 Bitcoin in ASICMiner mining address. How many did it have last week?
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Elokane
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November 24, 2013, 06:37:07 PM |
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Seems to me that, unless the information takes more time to penetrate than I imagine, share price won't go (much?) below the current ~0.4 price point. Unless some people only wake up when dividends become extinct.
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November 24, 2013, 06:44:59 PM |
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Shares price will go lower now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344580.0starting bids reduced to .29 now these are direct shares as well so ya... there's also 1,320 to sell so its not like these will go quick...
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November 24, 2013, 08:28:06 PM |
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Havelock asks are now at 0.21 BTC/share.
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chairforce1
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November 24, 2013, 08:33:59 PM |
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Havelock asks are now at 0.21 BTC/share.
no....?
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Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not. #yolo
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November 24, 2013, 08:35:53 PM |
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Havelock asks are now at 0.21 BTC/share.
no....? My mistake, I seem to have gotten the ask wall from another security. That's what I was thinking. It's currently a big arbitrage opportunity. I'm extremely sad I'm not holding shares right now because that's free money.
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