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February 01, 2014, 01:03:38 PM
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That's brilliant. An altcoin called ... Altcoin. Surprised nobody went for that name before Smiley

I'm surprised no one created a Carol Alt-coin


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February 01, 2014, 07:11:59 PM
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That's brilliant. An altcoin called ... Altcoin. Surprised nobody went for that name before Smiley

I'm surprised no one created a Carol Alt-coin



That's Kim Alexis.

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February 02, 2014, 11:17:02 PM
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Can any board members confirm if there was a meeting recently?

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February 03, 2014, 06:37:00 AM
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Can any board members confirm if there was a meeting recently?

Yeah sure, if you will see a major dump or auction = bad news.
If you will see major buy-off = good news.


This is the way you can predict what FC will say next.
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February 03, 2014, 06:46:48 AM
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Can any board members confirm if there was a meeting recently?

Yeah sure, if you will see a major dump or auction = bad news.
If you will see major buy-off = good news.


This is the way you can predict what FC will say next.
Same as the NYSE. But I don't see anyone else refunding 200 btcs when they didn't have to.
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February 03, 2014, 08:39:09 AM
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Has anyone checked out this decentralized exchange protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain yet?

Here's the Counterparty block explorer with a list of the assets created so far:
http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

The Counterparty protocol supports dividend payments too.

It would be awesome to see a company like Asicminer float an asset on Counterparty's decentralized exchange.  Might solve problems with centralized exchanges like btct.co or bitfunder.com.
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February 03, 2014, 08:46:13 AM
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Has anyone checked out this decentralized exchange protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain yet?

Here's the Counterparty block explorer with a list of the assets created so far:
http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

The Counterparty protocol supports dividend payments too.

It would be awesome to see a company like Asicminer float an asset on Counterparty's decentralized exchange.  Might solve problems with centralized exchanges like btct.co or bitfunder.com.

Depends who's running it, how it works, how much control the asset issuer has, what happens if it disappears one day etc. Do you have any personal experience with it?
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February 03, 2014, 09:10:04 AM
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Has anyone checked out this decentralized exchange protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain yet?

Here's the Counterparty block explorer with a list of the assets created so far:
http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

The Counterparty protocol supports dividend payments too.

It would be awesome to see a company like Asicminer float an asset on Counterparty's decentralized exchange.  Might solve problems with centralized exchanges like btct.co or bitfunder.com.

Depends who's running it, how it works, how much control the asset issuer has, what happens if it disappears one day etc. Do you have any personal experience with it?
It's decentralized, so no one is running it. Issuer can create any asset and pay dividends through it. All the information is written in the BTC blockchain, so nothing will disappear unless BTC disappears.
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February 03, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
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Has anyone checked out this decentralized exchange protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain yet?

Here's the Counterparty block explorer with a list of the assets created so far:
http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

The Counterparty protocol supports dividend payments too.

It would be awesome to see a company like Asicminer float an asset on Counterparty's decentralized exchange.  Might solve problems with centralized exchanges like btct.co or bitfunder.com.

Depends who's running it, how it works, how much control the asset issuer has, what happens if it disappears one day etc. Do you have any personal experience with it?

The exchange itself is a decentralized protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain, so nobody has to run it.  

I don't think Counterparty can disappear as long as the Bitcoin Blockchain doesn't disappear.

I'm synching up my bitcoin-qt blockchain right now, installing the Counterparty client and testing its features.

There have already been a few decentralized, trustless trades of BTC and XCP completed:
http://blockscan.com/order.aspx?p=0

You still have to trust the asset issuer, just not the exchange itself.  

It would be awesome if Asicminer transfered over to a Counterparty.  It would solve so many headaches like dealing with direct share transfers or unreliable centralized exchanges.

EDIT: BitThink summed it up better than I did^^
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February 03, 2014, 09:14:45 AM
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Has anyone checked out this decentralized exchange protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain yet?

Here's the Counterparty block explorer with a list of the assets created so far:
http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

The Counterparty protocol supports dividend payments too.

It would be awesome to see a company like Asicminer float an asset on Counterparty's decentralized exchange.  Might solve problems with centralized exchanges like btct.co or bitfunder.com.

Depends who's running it, how it works, how much control the asset issuer has, what happens if it disappears one day etc. Do you have any personal experience with it?

The exchange itself is a decentralized protocol built on the Bitcoin blockchain, so nobody has to run it.  

I don't think Counterparty can disappear as long as the Bitcoin Blockchain doesn't disappear.

I'm synching up my bitcoin-qt blockchain right now, installing the Counterparty client and testing its features.

There have already been a few decentralized, trustless trades of BTC and XCP completed:
http://blockscan.com/order.aspx?p=0

You still have to trust the asset issuer, just not the exchange itself.  

It would be awesome if Asicminer transfer over to a Counterparty.  It would solve so many headaches like dealing with direct share transfers or unreliable centralized exchanges.

EDIT: BitThink summed it up better than I did^^

Thanks. Smiley

Just needs to wait until it's more mature and there's a user friendly web client, suppose to be released soon.
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February 03, 2014, 09:17:34 AM
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That sounds really good then. Just the sort of thing AM were considering doing but would probably not got round to in a month of Sundays Smiley

Can we add it to the question list for next round of questions?

Would AM consider using "Counterparty" decentralized exchange to run their shares on?

Some question like that anyway .....
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February 03, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
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AM does not need to do so himself. Any big trusted shareholder can issue AM assets with Counterparty.
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February 03, 2014, 08:19:11 PM
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Great care needs to be taken in evaluating options for what to do with shares.

Counterparty, Mastercoin, Colored Coins, and I'm sure other systems could all probably serve the needs of AM, but it is important to thoroughly evaluate the pros and cons of each solution.

I am inclined to think that AM is serious enough of a company that they should sit back for a nice long while (in bitcoin time) and let other people take on the risk of adopting these systems. After the market has spoken and there is a clear winner(s), then AM can safely adopt such a system.

Don't forget Ethereum. Feels to me like that one is gonna swoop out of nowhere and surprise everyone.
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February 03, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
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Great care needs to be taken in evaluating options for what to do with shares.

Counterparty, Mastercoin, Colored Coins, and I'm sure other systems could all probably serve the needs of AM, but it is important to thoroughly evaluate the pros and cons of each solution.

I am inclined to think that AM is serious enough of a company that they should sit back for a nice long while (in bitcoin time) and let other people take on the risk of adopting these systems. After the market has spoken and there is a clear winner(s), then AM can safely adopt such a system.

Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized.
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February 03, 2014, 09:52:49 PM
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That sounds really good then. Just the sort of thing AM were considering doing but would probably not got round to in a month of Sundays Smiley

Can we add it to the question list for next round of questions?

Would AM consider using "Counterparty" decentralized exchange to run their shares on?

Some question like that anyway .....

Sounds definitely like a possible question!

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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February 03, 2014, 10:20:20 PM
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AM does not need to do so himself. Any big trusted shareholder can issue AM assets with Counterparty.

This is true.  It would be awesome to see an Asicminer-direct-share-backed asset issued on Counterparty.

Maybe ThickasThieves would be up for the task?

This would be the first "Bitcoin blue chip" asset on a decentralized exchange.  One small step for TAT, one giant leap for Bitcoin securities.
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February 03, 2014, 10:40:40 PM
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AM does not need to do so himself. Any big trusted shareholder can issue AM assets with Counterparty.

This is true.  It would be awesome to see an Asicminer-direct-share-backed asset issued on Counterparty.

Maybe ThickasThieves would be up for the task?

This would be the first "Bitcoin blue chip" asset on a decentralized exchange.  One small step for TAT, one giant leap for Bitcoin securities.

Did you read this bit?

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The code being released here is alpha-quality and under heavy development. Expect to encounter major bugs, including loss of funds. (Please report them when you do!)

The Counterparty protocol has not yet been finalized! You may lose your money if it changes!



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February 03, 2014, 11:16:52 PM
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Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized.

I am for colored coins as well.

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February 03, 2014, 11:46:10 PM
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AM does not need to do so himself. Any big trusted shareholder can issue AM assets with Counterparty.

This is true.  It would be awesome to see an Asicminer-direct-share-backed asset issued on Counterparty.

Maybe ThickasThieves would be up for the task?

This would be the first "Bitcoin blue chip" asset on a decentralized exchange.  One small step for TAT, one giant leap for Bitcoin securities.

In case any of you missed it in my old rants, I don't actually believe decentralized exchanges are a good thing. Even AM's own exchange, which they began creating last year, has many inconveniences, and, is ultimately centralized anyway.

I don't even believe decentralized exchanges are sustainable in any way that provides valuable purpose. Most amount to moving trust from one place to another, or breaking trust into a few parts. Trust is always required, efficiency is always required, resources are always required. These things all converge as order in chaos. That order is centralization.

I'm not a part of the "decentralize everything!" parade, but I do believe in the concept of "empires to ashes". Eventually a thing becomes so central and powerful it collapses, whether it be by its own lack of agility, or by a paradigm shift. For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters. Way too many people think we now have the power to break apart anything we can get our hands on, and turn into little pieces that somehow work better. Decentralization is not your hammer, and stock exchanges are not your nail.

I can appreciate people trying new things, but an economy is more than protocol, sorry. I'm not saying the theory of a Colored Coin exchange is impossible, I'm saying the usefulness of it is. Any fruits of Colored Coin, Master Coin, etc, will do nothing more than appear decentralized in concept, and behave centralized in practice.

Even Bitcoin itself only thrives through where it is efficiently "centralized": mining pools, exchanges, venture capital, this forum, etc, etc, etc.

Having to trust 3 people instead of 1 is not decentralization. Having to trust that system instead of this one, is not decentralization. Do you REALLY want every business under the sun "IPO"ing? Is every random business truly qualified to run its own security? So what if you can trust the decentralized exchange, none of the issuers will be easy to trust, now will they? How do you trust what you are buying and whom you buy it from?

If you really want to mitigate trust issues in this world, why aren't you all fighting to get people to use a/the Web of Trust (http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php)? Why are people finding ways to pervert bitcoin with burns, when they should be making a decentralized web of trust that is more friendly and easy to use? Doesn't anyone realize how big "digital identity" will be going forward?

We don't need more tinkering with reinventing Bitcoin, we need an agile identity/trust service. Think about it. Sure we have the current WoT, sure we have +Trust in this forum. But the WoT is not easy to use for beginners, nor is it a convenient means of auth/trust for online services. And, the forum's +Trust feature is much too centralized, weak, and narrow in focus.

Finally, everyone, please don't be an idiot and go "burning" coins, or locking them into some silly meta protocol forever. Anyone that's been around for more than a couple months should know by now to just hold onto your damn bitcoins. That's all you have to do.
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February 04, 2014, 12:14:02 AM
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AM does not need to do so himself. Any big trusted shareholder can issue AM assets with Counterparty.

This is true.  It would be awesome to see an Asicminer-direct-share-backed asset issued on Counterparty.

Maybe ThickasThieves would be up for the task?

This would be the first "Bitcoin blue chip" asset on a decentralized exchange.  One small step for TAT, one giant leap for Bitcoin securities.

...

Finally, everyone, please don't be an idiot and go "burning" coins, or locking them into some silly meta protocol forever. Anyone that's been around for more than a couple months should know by now to just hold onto your damn bitcoins. That's all you have to do.

yup, fair enough, i hear you sir

and what about holding our AM shares? Grin
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