GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion

[notlist3d]

I think you have a good amount of trust between you two on the team.   I personally can see pre-order if we have a reasonable price, and we for sure know it will be delivered before X date.

The delivered before is the important part to me with preorders. I feel safe  you guys are not going to grab money and run.   So that date is biggest hurdle I see.

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[sidehack]

Well technically, the one time we've done a preorder sale in the past (last June or so, for our DPS2000 first batch) we missed the deadline by a week. But part of that is because the PCBs were delivered from the etch house nine days late, so it's probably pretty good that we only overshot the deadline by seven.

I'll make no decisions for sure until after we have those prototypes in hand. If I have to redesign something it'll add two weeks to whatever expectations we might already have.

As for grabbing the money and running, too many people know where our shop is for that plan to work out if we ever tried. I'll admit I'm a bit nervous about the whole process, partially because of comments like this one. I'll admit Novak and I talked about how much fun it'd be to run a hardware scam like that, coordinated with a trusted member or two to fake a hardware review of a "prototype" and then start taking in preorder money. Then pay it all back with a note saying "you just got scammed, thank goodness it was only a test" to help convince people they needed to be more dilligent. And having said all that, I technically now have no way to convince people that isn't what we're doing here.

[notlist3d]

Well technically, the one time we've done a preorder sale in the past (last June or so, for our DPS2000 first batch) we missed the deadline by a week. But part of that is because the PCBs were delivered from the etch house nine days late, so it's probably pretty good that we only overshot the deadline by seven.

I'll make no decisions for sure until after we have those prototypes in hand. If I have to redesign something it'll add two weeks to whatever expectations we might already have.

As for grabbing the money and running, too many people know where our shop is for that plan to work out if we ever tried. I'll admit I'm a bit nervous about the whole process, partially because of comments like this one. I'll admit Novak and I talked about how much fun it'd be to run a hardware scam like that, coordinated with a trusted member or two to fake a hardware review of a "prototype" and then start taking in preorder money. Then pay it all back with a note saying "you just got scammed, thank goodness it was only a test" to help convince people they needed to be more dilligent. And having said all that, I technically now have no way to convince people that isn't what we're doing here.

I respect that you have not started taking money until some details are more concrete.

I would LOVE to get a prototype if at all possible.  I have done many reviews and I never promise anything as far as it being positive.  I judge it based on it's merits and how it runs.

[sidehack]

I never promise anything as far as it being positive.  I judge it based on it's merits and how it runs.

That's the only way to do it. My opinion is, if you can't be polite while also being honest - be honest. Being right doesn't make you bulletproof, but it does make you right.

[Searing]

I also don't mind handing money to this guy The cheeseburger fund must be replenished weekly!

yeah I'd be in for a pre-order on this as well....what the heck need a 'toy' now that home mining if fading...




by the way I have a 'hook' on cheap great cheeseburgers.....by the by..here is how it works

check out your local moose club or eagles club or elks club etc....somewhere where old farts congregate for 'cheap food'

in my town the eagles club has 1.25c cheeseburgers that come with the equiv of a vending machine bag of chips

when you ask the old guys what kind of 'filler' (ie stuff besides hamburger they put in the cheeseburger) they say 'wtf is filler?'

ah clueless old guys that think portions of meat to bun means 'height'

just saying ... they have these every Monday night where I'm at ....so check out your local clubs for the same

be polite and leave a 'tip' but all in all ..it is a great weekly fix for us 'cheeseburger addicts'

much better then the 8 buck burgers you get at wendy's or macdonalds of equivalent size/portion(s) or any other fast food place (w/o the chips)

(note: must keep the developers here nourished on their addictive ....er i mean ....needed.... cheesburger(s) for energy to slave away on the project ......don't ya know)

hmmmmmm....cheeseburgers......

[sidehack]

Thanks, but naw. My ethics don't permit me to get food from clubs I don't participate with. I didn't even get the free pizza from random presentations and stuff while I was in college. As with everything else, I prefer to pay my way. Friday Cheeseburgers are a Waffle House $2 special, but our Tuesday sandwich time at Waffle House came from me feeling bad about only showing up on discount days so I would get lunch there at full price another time during the week to help make up for it.

Also, two hours after the last time I ate a McDonalds cheeseburger is the only time in my adult life that I've had to request a pitstop while on the road. For emergency diarrhea. Fast food is for the most part no longer considered "food" in my book, so don't bother using it in comparisons.

[Searing]

Thanks, but naw. My ethics don't permit me to get food from clubs I don't participate with. I didn't even get the free pizza from random presentations and stuff while I was in college. As with everything else, I prefer to pay my way. Friday Cheeseburgers are a Waffle House $2 special, but our Tuesday sandwich time at Waffle House came from me feeling bad about only showing up on discount days so I would get lunch there at full price another time during the week to help make up for it.

Also, two hours after the last time I ate a McDonalds cheeseburger is the only time in my adult life that I've had to request a pitstop while on the road. For emergency diarrhea. Fast food is for the most part no longer considered "food" in my book, so don't bother using it in comparisons.

not a big deal say to 'participate' in say a local moose club 35 bucks a year and any tips whatever goes to their orphange..www.mooseheart.org ...(as well as almost all that 35 bucks also) ....as to eagles club  goes to cancer research..ie most of these clubs are just non profits .....the participation part is have a beer or burger there and a tip maybe once in awhile for whatever nonprofit cause they support

anyway pretty painless...might even meet a few folk

anyway that is how i got in such....cheap food..free local paper...tips go to the charity.....workers are volunteers... .ah hell toss some money in once in awhile to cancer research drive...etc etc

my attempts to be a COMPLETE malcontent...are thus thwarted  again most members in such clubs are ONLY there for a beer and food...the other 10% maybe will get into the charity stuff..but you have to want to do so ..no one ever asks .....

takes a village etc etc

my 2c worth

[Bicknellski]

I'd be most worried / aware of this type of Gleb post.

Even though Michal has well-demonstrated that he's well-versed as to the going-ons and how this forum and its users operate, I guess an example is still in order as to why Jell-O does what it does.

The following is the second post of an iconic, still ongoing thread:

More detailed chip specs please?

Next, is its most recent post one and half years later:

Ok. Now will you let this thread die since the company isn't selling anything?

It's not like this thread, the main one discussing this scam, has to die only because you want to due to a spammer. You can always unsubscribe if you can't stand his tactics.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against this thread. My beef is with the HF shill reviving this thread for nothing. If you or anyone else would revive this thread with some useful information I wouldn't complain, but when iceshilltard is reviving this thread with useless information that pisses me off. But even so, what would be more to discuss about this company that has a bigger percent than BFL of its customers pissed? The company was sold for 400k. What's more to talk about it?

In case you missed it Michal Krawczyszyn, HashFast demonstrated transparency to the nth degree, then still fucked everybody over, and they didn't have a single pseudo-SSL symbol on their site at the onset, whereas you have at least three non-functioning ones on most every page, even voicing how that in and of itself makes EMIC a viable entity. Now, if you had Skropenis on your team, then maybe, just maybe you would've had a shot at stardom, but not now. Ergo, every ounce of energy and funding you've put into this clever scheme of yours was all for not.

I say that's one helluva Christmas present you gave yourself and everybody else that may currently be part of EMIC.

There are a hell of a lot of shady people in this hardware section between those that support scams unwittingly and get tainted with the scam. As well as bought and paid for shills hell bent screwing over DIY builders or competition. Have a quick look at the latest posts on offer in the Spondoolies Tech thread for that smear campaign. It is pretty hard to trust ANYONE. Keep doing what you are doing. Don't take any money and do it your way. Simple. Clean. No confusion possible.

That is the best way and it will be the only way to keep anyone out of your business who is wishing you harm. Not every chip supplier is keen on being there for DIY be wary of that even if they are openly putting a positive face forward here in this forum.

[quakefiend420]

Just sent .1 to the burger fund.

For anyone that missed it: 1BURGERAXHH6Yi6LRybRJK7ybEm5m5HwTr

[philipma1957]

Just sent .1 to the burger fund.

For anyone that missed it: 1BURGERAXHH6Yi6LRybRJK7ybEm5m5HwTr

Quick recap on this address:

 https://blockchain.info/address/1BURGERAXHH6Yi6LRybRJK7ybEm5m5HwTr


It has a total of 1.2158 put in it.  I am adding  0.0842

this will bring it to an even 1.3 btc

[sidehack]

I shifted that 0.3BTC out the other day to pay for celebratory sandwiches after we hit the efficiency goal with some regulator tweaks.

I reckon tomorrow I'll go back over some Bitmain paperwork I've set idling and probably get caught up on heatsinks as well. Fetching chips will be the first big determining factor if this stuff goes beyond prototype.

[philipma1957]

I shifted that 0.3BTC out the other day to pay for celebratory sandwiches after we hit the efficiency goal with some regulator tweaks.

I reckon tomorrow I'll go back over some Bitmain paperwork I've set idling and probably get caught up on heatsinks as well. Fetching chips will be the first big determining factor if this stuff goes beyond prototype.

Yeah chip purchase is the key.  I am hoping they sell the chips to you. As we would be dead in the water without the chips

[toptekk]

I shifted that 0.3BTC out the other day to pay for celebratory sandwiches after we hit the efficiency goal with some regulator tweaks.

I reckon tomorrow I'll go back over some Bitmain paperwork I've set idling and probably get caught up on heatsinks as well. Fetching chips will be the first big determining factor if this stuff goes beyond prototype.

Yeah chip purchase is the key.  I am hoping they sell the chips to you. As we would be dead in the water without the chips

Hey Phili


That tip I'm about to give you is it ok with you If i donate here on top of a few more BTC by weeks ends ?.

[philipma1957]

I shifted that 0.3BTC out the other day to pay for celebratory sandwiches after we hit the efficiency goal with some regulator tweaks.

I reckon tomorrow I'll go back over some Bitmain paperwork I've set idling and probably get caught up on heatsinks as well. Fetching chips will be the first big determining factor if this stuff goes beyond prototype.

Yeah chip purchase is the key.  I am hoping they sell the chips to you. As we would be dead in the water without the chips

Hey Phili


That tip I'm about to give you is it ok with you If i donate here on top of a few more BTC by weeks ends ?.

bro it is your coin.  sidehack and co. are cool so  do as you please .

[toptekk]

I shifted that 0.3BTC out the other day to pay for celebratory sandwiches after we hit the efficiency goal with some regulator tweaks.

I reckon tomorrow I'll go back over some Bitmain paperwork I've set idling and probably get caught up on heatsinks as well. Fetching chips will be the first big determining factor if this stuff goes beyond prototype.

Yeah chip purchase is the key.  I am hoping they sell the chips to you. As we would be dead in the water without the chips

Hey Phili


That tip I'm about to give you is it ok with you If i donate here on top of a few more BTC by weeks ends ?.

bro it is your coin.  sidehack and co. are cool so  do as you please .

I know but i said i would donate some to you for  the Advice i got a few days ago , sense you like to give  donations  to good a thing,I thought this might be better .

[Biodom]

Thanks, but naw. My ethics don't permit me to get food from clubs I don't participate with. I didn't even get the free pizza from random presentations and stuff while I was in college. As with everything else, I prefer to pay my way. Friday Cheeseburgers are a Waffle House $2 special, but our Tuesday sandwich time at Waffle House came from me feeling bad about only showing up on discount days so I would get lunch there at full price another time during the week to help make up for it.

Also, two hours after the last time I ate a McDonalds cheeseburger...

It depends on location. I had an amazing delicious burger at San Fran Burger King once, but I almost never eat at this place since it is typically not that good.
In Houston, Jerry Built burger is very tasty, but it is a somewhat better joint.
The bottom line is that with beef prices going up 50% in the last 12 mo, McDonald's probably could not keep up using better parts, hence who knows what is in there.

[AJRGale]

Thanks, but naw. My ethics don't permit me to get food from clubs I don't participate with. I didn't even get the free pizza from random presentations and stuff while I was in college. As with everything else, I prefer to pay my way. Friday Cheeseburgers are a Waffle House $2 special, but our Tuesday sandwich time at Waffle House came from me feeling bad about only showing up on discount days so I would get lunch there at full price another time during the week to help make up for it.

Also, two hours after the last time I ate a McDonalds cheeseburger...

It depends on location. I had an amazing delicious burger at San Fran Burger King once, but I almost never eat at this place since it is typically not that good.
In Houston, Jerry Built burger is very tasty, but it is a somewhat better joint.
The bottom line is that with beef prices going up 50% in the last 12 mo, McDonald's probably could not keep up using better parts, hence who knows what is in there.

they say its 100% beef, but they don't tell you its the stripping off the cuts, boiled and pressed into the patties with additives and flavourings, to later fry it together, then frozen so it can be ship it to the restaurant for them to slap on 300 degree flat top and heat both sides for 30 seconds each, and sit in the bayonet for 2 hours.. but that still 100% beef...
now them buns, oh yes, so much more additives and anti-bacterial products in that..

but, go to the local shop and get your burgers, $8.50 for a burger with the lot, or a $5.50 for a mac? $3 more for something that has 5x the mass, and their own hand made patties, thanks..

on the other hand, sidehack, any luck with bitmain? or to early in the day?

[sidehack]

I think I've eaten maybe five McDonalds hamburgers in the last eight years or so. Most of them were either free or discounted, and none of them I was really satisfied with. I tend to not eat fast food burgers because, when you grow up on a farm and there's literally 40 head of Angus living in your backyard your standards for beef quality are a bit different. There really aren't many good burger joints here in town - pretty much none, actually. It's a cheapskate college town so there's lots of franchises (and pizza places, and four Subways) but not a lot of decent dives. The next town over has 1/5 the population and a lot better non-crappy eatery options. The local Casa de Waffle has pretty good burgers (and potato mountains), and I really like that I can watch the food being prepared. I know exactly how fresh it is.

One of these days when I have extra money, I'm thinking of taking one evening a week and going to every restaurant in the county (a different place each week) and ordering the best burger on the menu. So by the end of a year or whatever, I'll have an index of every good (and bad) burger around.

Also, no I haven't talked to Bitmain in a couple weeks. They handed us off some NDA paperwork to look over before they'd talk pricing in detail, and of course right after that we started getting in hardware to build and test so I haven't even read past the first page.

[AJRGale]

I think I've eaten maybe five McDonalds hamburgers in the last eight years or so. Most of them were either free or discounted, and none of them I was really satisfied with. I tend to not eat fast food burgers because, when you grow up on a farm and there's literally 40 head of Angus living in your backyard your standards for beef quality are a bit different. There really aren't many good burger joints here in town - pretty much none, actually. It's a cheapskate college town so there's lots of franchises (and pizza places, and four Subways) but not a lot of decent dives. The next town over has 1/5 the population and a lot better non-crappy eatery options. The local Casa de Waffle has pretty good burgers (and potato mountains), and I really like that I can watch the food being prepared. I know exactly how fresh it is.

One of these days when I have extra money, I'm thinking of taking one evening a week and going to every restaurant in the county (a different place each week) and ordering the best burger on the menu. So by the end of a year or whatever, I'll have an index of every good (and bad) burger around.

Also, no I haven't talked to Bitmain in a couple weeks. They handed us off some NDA paperwork to look over before they'd talk pricing in detail, and of course right after that we started getting in hardware to build and test so I haven't even read past the first page.

yes, cant beat angus, well you can, they tend to throw you into barb wire though...  there was 3 stores that did chips'n'burgers here in this town, now there is 2 fast food joints here, and its ripping the old family run stores, they all want to sell up now, one has sold recently to indians (not racist, they just opportunists here) that already own their own kabab store. none the less, all 3 have their own style on how to cook'n'prep, so there is a mix.

just as you said NDA paperwork, lemme guess, "cant say this, cant do that?" "its really not our chip but shhhh..""you must sacrifice a young soul to bind your soul our gods so you can use their gifts" etc?

they are good at running their business, but if you have to lawyer up to understand that paperwork, would it be worth it? i am not a lawyer, but if you want anyone to run over the paperwork, i could be another set of eyes for you (if bitmain isn't going to take my head for it)

[chiguireitor]

I think I've eaten maybe five McDonalds hamburgers in the last eight years or so. Most of them were either free or discounted, and none of them I was really satisfied with. I tend to not eat fast food burgers because, when you grow up on a farm and there's literally 40 head of Angus living in your backyard your standards for beef quality are a bit different. There really aren't many good burger joints here in town - pretty much none, actually. It's a cheapskate college town so there's lots of franchises (and pizza places, and four Subways) but not a lot of decent dives. The next town over has 1/5 the population and a lot better non-crappy eatery options. The local Casa de Waffle has pretty good burgers (and potato mountains), and I really like that I can watch the food being prepared. I know exactly how fresh it is.

One of these days when I have extra money, I'm thinking of taking one evening a week and going to every restaurant in the county (a different place each week) and ordering the best burger on the menu. So by the end of a year or whatever, I'll have an index of every good (and bad) burger around.

Also, no I haven't talked to Bitmain in a couple weeks. They handed us off some NDA paperwork to look over before they'd talk pricing in detail, and of course right after that we started getting in hardware to build and test so I haven't even read past the first page.

yes, cant beat angus, well you can, they tend to throw you into barb wire though...  there was 3 stores that did chips'n'burgers here in this town, now there is 2 fast food joints here, and its ripping the old family run stores, they all want to sell up now, one has sold recently to indians (not racist, they just opportunists here) that already own their own kabab store. none the less, all 3 have their own style on how to cook'n'prep, so there is a mix.

just as you said NDA paperwork, lemme guess, "cant say this, cant do that?" "its really not our chip but shhhh..""you must sacrifice a young soul to bind your soul our gods so you can use their gifts" etc?

they are good at running their business, but if you have to lawyer up to understand that paperwork, would it be worth it? i am not a lawyer, but if you want anyone to run over the paperwork, i could be another set of eyes for you (if bitmain isn't going to take my head for it)

Their NDA aren't so ruthless, but it's a lot of addo for nothing. Really, their price breaks are shitty.