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Does anyone else think that Lauda should not be a moderator?

Lauda proceeds with her opinion when moderating the board. Lauda does not follow the rules of the board the same way other moderators do. Lauda is not open to ever being wrong or mistaken. Lauda does not understand what it means to moderate the board. Lauda does not bother to explain reasons behind actions in a friendly way. Lauda likes to be abrasive with people she is moderating. Lauda is power hungry.

I move to have Lauda removed from being a moderator effective immediately.

Lauda counts to the group of mods that handle the most reports, Lauda is among the fastest, when it comes to handling reports.
And then, there is rule #23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

Maybe Lauda is the fastest to handle reports because she does not bother to review the thread and facts at issue. I think she should have considered to take more time to handle each report when she was a moderator.


That rule is to avoid a spammer from using some loophole in the rules to avoid having action taken against them. It is not a free pass for a moderator to do whatever they want. If there is a single report or a single set of circumstances then each moderator should take the same action.

Why do you keep shilling for Lauda BTW? Are you one of her alts?

How would you even know how many reports she handles?

I would question your ethics and appropriateness to be trusted.

Only waited for that question :D

People talk, ya know.

Go ahead and do so.

Moderators act on their own opinion, there really arent any rules here to guide them anyways so they dont have a choice, if you have problems with Lauda's moderating decisions, pm him directly and talk about it or talk to theymos

This is why I opened this thread.

Wait.Is lauda a girl ? Not that I'm a sexist but never knew until now.

I believe so, but that does not matter. Her name ends with "a" which is feminine is the majority of languages.

To be clear I do not care that Lauda is a women and this fact has no basis on my argument that she should not be a moderator. I believe she should not be a moderator because of the reasons listed in my OP

Lauda is one of the most reasonable people on this forum. You, on the other hand, are unreasonably upset because you asked a question and didn't like the answer. Motion denied.

Nope. You seem to be the only person butthurt by his way of looking at things.
Thats what a moderator is supposed to do
He does. Also I think you meant implement here. From what I've seen , he is the only person constantly active throughout the day in handling the reports(after Cyrus perhaps, but he is a Global moderator and has to handle reports from every board he can)
What does that have anything to do with moderating? He is posting as he would normally do, while moderating the newbs and the Croatian board in the background. Also you expect a person to explain something in baby-steps every time someone asks for an explanation? You're likely thinking of moderators as support group, which they are not

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Yeah right  ::) . Help the community for more than 2 years and nobody says a thing. Get promoted to staff after being asked to, and you're suddenly power hungry

Its quite cute that you think a bunch of people's opinion are enough to get one removed from a position in staff. That is even if you do get any support for your claims

Once again, how do you know? And no, he does review every one of the reports from what I know
No moderators have different opinions as to when they consider something spam. For example, Mitchell and -ck are of the opinion that continuous promotion of custom faucet rotators which have ref link in every link, are to be considered "Ref spam". While Cyrus is quite tolerable about it, and hilariousandco does not consider it as ref spam at all(from what I know)

At any rate, which instance are you talking about where Lauda has misused his power?

Because there are times only a certain moderator is active, when I submit my reports and they are acted upon by Lauda. And the only other person who is constantly active as him in moderating is Cyrus.

You're making baseless claims against someone who you have no clue about. Now that is when I "I would question your ethics and appropriateness to be trusted." . Not that I would trust you anyway

Also just to be clear, Lauda is a guy. From what I know, it was a moderator who recommended the name or something

That is exactly the first thing I say to someone if they disagree with my accusation against someone /sarcasm

Concurred

P.S: And no I'm neither Lutpin's nor Lauda's alt/shill , but I am familiar with both to entrust them

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Also seriously, you expect people to believe that your account hasn't changed hands?

Hahahahaha. Lauda a female? I would love to see that mate! Assuming that someone's username is their first name is pretty stupid. Anyway, I vote to keep Lauda a moderator as I know he  handle reports correctly and if he doesn't know how to handle them, he asks within the staff team.

Well, it depends on the context of the whole post. If you make a thread with a link to a site filled with referral links, yeah, it's most likely getting trashed. It's all about context.

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Also, I now know how Cyrus felt as a ninja-mod. It seems that people don't know that I handle shitloads of reports and even send out PM's with information about my actions. Ah wel, I am a strong independent moderator and I need no appreciation! ;D

Well I guess its the same with DT. Pretty thankless "job" , both of them. At least you guys get rewarded for your efforts   :D

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He is a ninja alright. Reported this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397856.0;topicseen) a minute or so, ago, and its handled already
Reported this thread around a minute ago and its handled already

You handled my report the other minute, I was waiting on/expecting Cyrus to do.
I noticed, hence you're not that ninja, buddy.

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Not so thankless after all, I'm pretty much the sad star in a theatre played over at the Reputation board.

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Was talking about Mitchell not being a ninja, because I noticed him handling the report.
We all know Cyrus is as ninja as it gets.

Thanks. I try to.

Frequent reporters are usually aware of who handles (at least) some of their posts.

I may or may not be.

Thank you, I try my best at achieving such a mindset.

You could only know this if you were my alt, don't deny it liar! :D

We will talk. ;)

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Okay, I'll do this only once. OP I'd like to see examples of badly handled reports, power abuse and whatnot. I feel like my work is pretty consistent and when I'm not sure I ask (e.g. the whitelisting thread). If there are bad traits, then I could definitely improve. Let's see.

My answer would be, definitely Yes and his one of the well deserved moderators here. I've contacting him couple of times (using my main account), and he never failed to assist me whenever I had a concern and his pretty much active as well (unlike some other moderators that I barely feel their presence anymore). Each moderator has, a way of handling stuff differently (human nature). Explaining things in a friendly way is something that many of users tend to abuse it and as result, never improve so personally what his doing, IMO is the right thing instead. FYI his not power hungry (try to look at situation in a neutral way, instead of your point of view).

Lauda is one of most helpful staff members here on BTT and i bet this attack on him is just one more "competition" attacks from that other forum and ppl who support that other forum.

nothing to see here, move along

The only thing to see here is that the OP is clearly an aggravating twat operating a sock-puppet account.

Lauda is the mod this forum deserves, OP.
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Helpful mod replies:
The beatings will continue until morale improves :)

I have encountered a much meaner mod here in the forum and as the others have alreadysaid, Lauda is one of the most reasonable one to handle reports. If you cannot accept how they are handling things in here then go, they are given that position because they deserve to.

Do you have examples for these or is it your opinion based on feelings?

did not know it was female, do we have pictures

Sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_101872.png

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Better pictures below. Don't mind the little cat over here!

Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk
A: no, he should be a global mod

I wouldn't straight up jump on that, but if there ever occurs a time when Cyrus is off for a certain period of time Lauda should be promoted to Mod of Marketplace. Something similar to how BitRent was promoted to staff

I would be cool with marketplace mod also.

Hm, I would. Up he goes.

Vote whywefight - for an all greyed out marketplace!
You'd overkill them, mate.

i mean lauda for marketplace mod, not me :P

Lauda is fine,would be a pretty boring forum if all mods where the same,can we get a more crazy mod to balance out the gang though?
Say Gleb or a troll like member,might make things interesting.

Is lauda a girl  :-X ?


I thought all the time that Lauda was a boy  ;D. Nothing against Lauda, only to know.

Why did this become a penis or not discussion?

I only wanted to know, is this a problem ?  Is this thread about Lauda or am I wrong ?

*cough* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lauda&defid=4520051 *cough*

I guess its not, I just dont understand the obsession with this. Its a thread about their position as moderator. Penis or not should not matter for this.

cool down guys.... here she is:

http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/606/699/263/ws_transfer_pic_9092212.jpg

;) , I'm not obsessed ...I've only asked it 1 time. For me Lauda is a good mod. and she should not be removed from the staff (that's all).

Meow. ;)

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I'm still patiently waiting for OP to provide examples that back up those claims.

 ;D so ?

It was said earlier but worth repeating.

Should Lauda be a Mod, HELL NO!

Global Mod ABSOLUTELY!



I've never had any issues with Lauda and disagreed with this person on several occasions.

I never saw any retribution due to them being a mod.



~BCX~

Yes, Lauda is a great mod.

BTW, are you the Mitchell taking Bitcointalk ban requests from the malcontents at Frap.doc's forum?

I know Lauda better than most here.

She pissed me off one time, and I told her off, and he apologized.

And I understood his point of view, and I forgave her completely.

^^^ *snorfle*

Eloquently put, Vod.

Lauda is honestly one of the most fair mods I've encountered here in the btct wilderness.


I think my eyes just started bleeding again, less than half an hour after looking at bitcontalk ::)

Edit - I've never been around to say this, but I've been googling giggling (typo, nuff said.) at your avatar since the day I joined this forum.

Wow that is a lot of quotes up there. I am not sure why anyone would be interested in reading #10-14....maybe someone who did read those wants to do a tl;dr

Lauda called someone a retard (when acting as a moderator) here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1390664.msg14127205#msg14127205), and I called him out on it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1390664.msg14127307#msg14127307) (I have since deleted the post, however it should be available in the thread history). When I was made aware of the fact that Lauda edited his post to remove him calling that person a retard, I removed my post calling him out and told Lauda that I was only sticking up for the person that he called a retard. I subsequently received a retaliatory negative trust rating from Lauda over something that happened 6 months ago, and that Lauda reasonably had known about for 6 months. When I asked Lauda about the negative rating, he claimed that it was suppose to be a neutral rating, changed it to neutral and told me that I "know the reasoning".

I am not sure if the above warrants for the calling of Lauda to be removed as a moderator. Lauda does apparently spend a lot of time on here, so he would be able to handle reports as he receives them. According to Lutpin, Lauda handles the most reports out of all the moderators, although his most recent mod payment (https://blockchain.info/tx/8f876aea0ac5a209104f59857283c80d4ba7a15c787656e63c703b69b2cd49f4) would suggest otherwise.

Lauda is also a blockstream fanboy, and will back the company line of whatever blockstream says, regardless of logic, reasoning, or facts. This is probably going to work in Lauda's favor so someone with a "staff" tag can blindly back whatever blockstream says/wants.....it should probably be the opposite however. Considering that theymos is now an active supporter (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/49fzfk/so_is_it_lightning_network_or_bust/) of blockstream/LN, I think it will work in Lauda's favor.

So wherever I post I'm acting as a moderator? That's not how this works.

Trust rating has nothing to do with being a staff member; straw-man argument.

I'm the most active (non global) moderator along with Mitchell (last month stats). You don't understand how those payments work, so you can't use them as an argument. Let's not misuse Lutpin's words though. He said I'm part of the group that handles the most reports.

No. I have no relations with Blockstream.

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Let's not involve things that are irrelevant please. I'm not sharing my reasons for certain things and I stand by my decisions.

Lauda is both a he, a she and neither at the same time!

Lauda been accused of doing many things, from contradicting, saying things he/she shouldn't, etc.
But why all the hate? He/She's not necessarily speaking as a staff member, in some case she could be a staff member, in other cases, she/he is speaking for herself/himself.



Okay, that's just creepy.

Whenever you post about what the current forum policies/rules are you are posting/acting as a moderator. This is why some threads specifically ask for the assistance of a moderator/administrator so that someone with actual authority can help with a situation.

I called you out on calling someone a retard, making you look bad, and subsequently did something to retaliate against me. Why should you be trusted to be fair and impartial when moderating the forum when you have a history of retaliate against someone who spoke out against you?

Where did you find this or is this something that you've concluded based on your own (subjective) perception of how things should be?

Cherry picking is not nice. User-to-user interaction (trust) is not relevant here. If what you say was the case, then whenever a staff member has an argument with somebody they aren't allowed to leave them a trust rating anytime afterwards because that would mean that they can't be impartial? This is one of the reasons why trust is not moderated.

I have never retaliated against anyone. There have been at least 2 threads about me by two different users that were slander at best, I did not touch either one of them. In these cases it is best to report it to others and let them decide, which is what I did and will keep doing.

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There are reasons for which I didn't give you a rating at first, and they are reasons for which I left it to you now. If you want to talk, then do so via PM as I will not reveal things here. I don't need drama.

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Indeed. The staff consists of various people with various beliefs and opinions. After joining we are allowed to (or encouraged IIRC) to continue our usual posting.

Being a mod is a shit  job, whatever you do/say will annoy somebody, especially the unreasonable posters. I was a mod on a busy webmaster board a few years ago, and I don't think I'd do it again. :)

Lauda seems to be quite a helpful guy/gal when giving opinions and advice. I don't know about the modding behaviour though, as I haven't had a run-in yet. :)

it will annoying for the poster , but not for everyone .



and look who is back !  ::) ::)

There's being impartial while seeming partial. If you want to avoid any semblance of partiality I suggest you study Quickseller; their use of multiple accounts would be very useful for it.
However I'd much prefer if you just keep doing what you're doing now and take the butthurt as a sign of a job well done.

Why is this thread even still a thing??

You dont ask why,you admire the masterwork and continue the thread by speculating on Laudas sex!
Any other posts are clear manipulation to get us off the number one question on bitcointalk.org besides "How can I join signature"!

Yeah dont get it too. Lauda is doing a good job. Would be a sad thing to loose her...

Lauda is one of the few shining lights remaining on this forum!   :)

I wouldn't kick him/her out of bed.  ;)

Lauda likes to try to get those that make her contradict herself and those that speak out against her to get banned in the staff forum. Sometimes she proposes this herself, sometimes she uses a proxy to try to get these people banned.

Lauda likes to tell lies to silence those whom are critical of her, but her lies are quickly exposed and she then changes her stance.

@redsn0w -- stop being an idiot and go back to screwing up escrow deals. Lauda having a penis is not something you can understand.

Any proof you want to share with us? yes for the bold parts... ::)

Bullshit, you don't know whats happening in the staff board. If you did(i.e you mean to say are a mod  ::)) you wouldn't be talking about it via your alt

Lol what now? How does "proxy" come to play in this? If by proxy you mean alts, you don't have proof of those either. And do you think staff members, the ones who can actually ban members(three Glob mods and two admins, one of which is MIA and another who hasn't handled ban requests in a long time, and the only Glob mod effectively banning members being rarely active) will take the word of a random account?

Now I see where this is all. My young Classic shill, you'll need to spread more FUD before you can make anyone to doubt Lauda's credibility

Lauda tries to get other moderators she is close to try to get these people banned.

You should probably go back to moderating sketchy gambling sites and spend less time trying to be a mall cop ::) We all know that you will never try to bite the hand that feeds you and would not speak out against anyone with more power then you.


Update
Lauda is now encouraging certain users (namely Vod) to make off topic posts, and to troll other users. This is after Vod has posted multiple posts supporting Lauda in this thread. Lauda is encouraging someone to break the rules who is supporting Lauda. This is a clear abuse of power.

Just,...wat?
Do you even read before posting?

If you don't stand behind your words, why would anyone respect them?

Lauda said "as long as you don't break the rules" but her very next sentence says to break the rules "[...]follow you around[...]try to[...]troll you[...]"


Which is it. Does Lauda not want him to break the rules, or does Lauda want him to troll?

@Vod -- You must not understand the concept behind free speech and freedom from being oppressed when making unpopular/critical (of those in power) statements. I know that you can't think for yourself, but at least give others the chance to think for themselves. Please and thank you.

So, we are still stuck with the free speech ? Kid there is no free speech.A nine year old Muslim girl being raped to leave her native country in Bosnian war was free speech.More than Ten million Jews getting killed in The Holocaust was free speech.Killing the innocent citizens in Baghdad and raping their women was free speech.

Get the supporters,Get the weapons & then we will see who should stay and who should be gone.

Would you please take a history lesson before posting shit like this?? Holocaust had nothing to do with "Free speech"...

i cant belive it....

Dang dude.. This is a troubling to see you go down this path of logic. To make a point its best to stay on the task at hand then venture off on emotional hijacking. I tend to enjoy reading your posts but this one is stretching it out.

Lauda is cool people in my books,its the other assholes! ;)
Im joking..

Lauda is a long time contributor and fair moderator.

Are you really already complaining with less than 20 posts in gorgon666?
And creating an entire thread  to do so? No examples just accusations.

Settle in a bit gorgo666, you might like it here...or not ;-)
but try to "play nice" just the same because so far you're not off to a good start.

The on or off topic drama might be helpful while solving urgent problems but Critical thinking is very important while having a discussion.Something written on papers or books is not free speech.It just a paper where anything can be written and which is gazillion miles way from reality.

You don't tend to enjoy my posts cause you never pmed me when i wasn't posting for more than 3 weeks.Yes,you proved you are joking :D

anyways ,what makes you think i am against laude ? in actuality i am in love with laude  :-* :-* but yes, i m always against the behvior's not the person.Someone said me that laude is saying retarded,fuck off  >:( etc... to people who are asking her help.I cant agree that is helpful but i m in love with laude anyways.  :D :D

A Reality Check is needed.   :(

You have comprehension issues. Cats do not encourage people to troll.

It was a one time thing to a person not directly requesting my help (I'd never do it in such a case). Anyhow, it was (most likely) retracted before the OP could read it.

https://i.imgur.com/lVZ4pVC.png

Was the reasoning that was scary,comparing to the holocaust made me worry. Was just pointing out that you did not need to go to such extremes. Pretty sure Lauda does not want to be connected to WWII !:D

I wouldn't go that far.

But I do think guilty of over zealous posting, which blur's the mod role he performs.
Seems like every other post is Lauda saying either you are right or you are wrong.
It's too in your face.
It stifles discussion and aids trolling.

What's all this about for example?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164464.60
Lauda's comment totally uncalled for, imo. Leading to at least 3 of the 5 following posts off topic spam/trolling.
(has VeritasSapere done something wrong?)

Not trying to be confrontational here, just saying,
Can't Lauda bite his tongue occasionally?

Just had another sorta kinda almost disagreement Lauda.

No retaliatory action.



~BCX~

WAIT!! If you guys remove Lauda as moderator i QUIT! :-*
Anyways OP: Lauda is one of the few persons here that dare to express their ideas without looking at your rank, trust, donations, skin color, avatar, signature or any other potential "pre-judgement". If what you say is stupid, expect Lauda to write it down with caps and viceversa: if you smart enough to contribute to this forum with constructive posts, expect Lauda to back you up without if and without but. And i like this attitude and fortunately i see the same attitude from a lot of other people here.
If you knew it, you woudnt make a new account just to run your mouth but instead, you would have risked some of your red trust with your Legendary "avatar" and write about Lauda with him ;)
~Hamu

Lauda likes to advocate for the banning of people she does not agree with. Not very fair and balanced if you ask me!

I think Lauda regardless if the person is (Male or Female) is Level headed.......While opinionated He/She has the right to be so.

He/she and i have butted heads on a few issues and we came to an an understanding to disagree.

There is NO reason whatsoever that He/She should be even considered being removed from Moderator status at all.
I say NO NO NO!


P.S.   Dogs are better than Cats Lauda No offense RUFF RUFF :)

How could you possibly know which moderator proposes which bans? ::)

Exactly. Just because some people can't stay objective, that does not mean that nobody can.

You do not want to go down that path! >:(

Only the hamburger on Lauda's avatar irritates me, other than that never had any issues.
Seems like OP had felt personally attacked or something in the past.

@Theymos



I've seen no evidence of Lauda harassing anyone or behaving badly

In spite of being a sig spammer  ;)

I think Lauda would make a decent Global Mod.



~BCX~

I disagree. Lauda is not pissing off nearly enough assholes yet to qualify for global mod.

;)

@ABitNut

Keen observation.

My favorite post by a pissed off member to a moderator was when a banned newbie flew into a rage after Badbear perma-banned him.

 ;D ;D ;D


~BCX~

based on experience, i would agree to let him go.

Yeah I would have bookmarked that one too.  Effing hilarious. 

I love these butthurt threads.  Gives Schadenfreude connoisseurs like me a chance to throw dirtballs with impunity.

I feel that she is a really cool moderator, sure everyone has their own opinions, but there's this little thing called Ignore button, you can Ignore even mods you know. So if you disagree what's stopping you from being a crybaby to deal with the issue the way it's supposed to be dealt with.

Actually, no, you cannot ignore mods LOL


~BCX~

I can, but Lauda is one of the few sig spammers, who actually provides content, so I have unignored him/her/it.

edit: grammar

I think Lauda is doing their job quite well. He/She is allowed to speak his/her what she wants, ya know. If you want, ask her which one of her posts are opinionated and which ones are professional.

Ughhhh put ~BCX~ in your signature already!!!! xD

Lauda is expert, and can get direct personal tech support from Core Devs without getting shooed away to #Bitcoin. This is of great help to us.

https://i.imgur.com/Ohzjxne.png

I see Lauda acting/posting more often than any other moderator, and it is always helpful.

IMO he is doing a great job.   :)

I vote remain

This isn't a Brexit thread is it? :)

Not a bad mod. Usually helpful or informative posts and i havent seen much censorship tbh.

If you dont agree with her opinion then debate her openly, no need to call for an active, useful mod to stand down.

Oh do we get to "vote" Mitchell ;)
..joke from comment on page 1 (i did not go past that point)

I have had a couple incidents of butting heads with Lauda.
But what ever..

Let me offer my own perspective.
Lauda has opinions which is fair.. staff are allowed to share them.
They are also entitled to interpret the rules how they like.. it's their job.
Nothing much we can do but whine to thymos about it etc
BUT !
What is "it" ?
Seems you created this topic NOOB / OP with out saying WHY.
You clearly made this because of some incident you failed to bring up.
Not a good sign LOL

I do appreciate that Lauda makes more of an effort to communicate with the users here.
Some staff moderate and never say a word to anyone about anything.

Anyway i seen no reason why Lauda should be demoted.
I did not think i would either clicking on this topic.

If threads like this are created, he's obviously doing a really good job.

Mods - please review the posters who feel he cramps their style.

Dear Lauda,

Stop cramping my style!

Sincerely,

~BMB~

Funny how this thread is still going on (you might call it a running gag by now).
And also funny that in the meantime, while here the discussions were going on, Lauda got more (rather than less) responsibilities.

https://i.snag.gy/2FJNqe.jpg

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Ewh, he's a sigspammer.
I guess you can turn everything either way or the other.

And that's only your opinion. Mine could be completely different the same.

Yawn. Why don't we ban Bitcoin from this forum - after all it's linked to the drug trade. :)

I think Lauda should be the only proven Sig Spammer to be a Global Moderator.

He does a good job, annoyingly sig spamming at the same time, but good job.


~BCX~

Lauda to replace Badbear, now that the latter is no longer as active anymore!

If that were to happen, he would have to change his name to "BadLauda" LOL


~BCX~

Dude, please. Can you not do that? You're killing me.

What a day for Lauda!

Lauda advertises for a company she knows to be shady, get publicly called out about this, waits for her payment and then removes her signature. Not exactly a beacon of ethics if you ask me.

Now Lauda is asking 2BTC per month for her signature and is proactively denying any consequences of advertising for a future shady company: "[...]can not be held accountable for any misdoings by the client"

Anyone that follows Lauda's posts knows that she does not keep an open mind

So he's a shady sig spamming staff member.

Still would be a great mod.

I'm serious, sig spamming etc.... has zero to do with moderating.


~BCX~

The evidence was inconclusive (that's why I left neutral trust, but still decided to leave them). "Waits for her payment"; what are you talking about?

No, neither one of those is correct. ACE is asking 2 BTC for the whole group (not myself). The secondary implies that in the case that a client goes rogue (e.g. scams) during an AD period (not prior) that we can't be held accountable for this in any way.

Shady? No, I haven't done anything wrong, don't let yourself fooled by the 'anti-Lauda' movement.

That is correct.

to the question : "Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no"

The answer is clearly NO.
how call someone abusing of this position for trying extorquing someone in this way ??

resume:  1 : Lauda collect genesis coins serie 2,
 - he got few #1 coins, and when he know i have got  1 , comes to me with a 25$ + shgipping  proposition ( wich i polite decline )

- he start to be agressive and menacing to left a negative trust . ( what he did : check my trust ranking)

- indeed my reaction was to tell him: " dont do this , that's not fair..and you will loose your credibility."..)

- precisions: few times before this, as i know lauda was a "friend" of VOD , an user who left me a neg ranking in the past for absolutely no valid reason,  i have ask to Lauda:
 " could you please try to contact VOD please, for i can try to solve this OLD story with him , as i cant contact him directly since he has block my PM's ?"

his answer was: " why should i help you... ? "  ( wich motivate in party the fact to dont sold him this genesis coin at his ridiculous offfer )


Then,   i have finaly put this coin in auction few days ago , and this auction has ended yesterday ( LINK:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1544950.msg15528872#msg15528872 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1544950.msg15528872#msg15528872)


the reaction to this is know well know......   he left me a bad feedback , not using the genesis coin excuse, but in getting an OLD story i 've got in the past , and about he was well informed  many many time before he left his shit on my trust ranking ..  ( as explain above , we have even talk about it days and days before.... lol )


here's now some irc publics logs where you follow the story step by step :

https://i.imgur.com/hCI8fyS.png

https://i.imgur.com/jqYd32b.png





i will edit my post with few other links quicly..


so in conclusion :  do you really think this guy is "credible " ?  for me the answer is clearly NO.
is just a teenager who abusing of his position

LOL at the sudden resurgence of self-escrowing account-seller posts and their sock-puppets (gorgon666). It is almost as if they are the same person chasing the same shadows in their impotent rage.


tl'dr: 'defcon23' is a proven self-escrowing account-trader. Which, in light of this, makes their question below laughable:

man you're an alt of neotox , then go home with your fake accusations

I am? Dammit, why did no-one tell me until now?!

Awesome rebuttal of his, I mean 'my', evidence, btw, truly stellar comeback!

neotox , why resorting this  shit today ?  go home ! ----------->  Quote from: Neotox on September 19, 2015, 05:11:02 PM

The random chatlogs of no importance aren't properly stamped, as there is no dd/mm. Those interactions happened quite some time ago. Anyhow, I've yet to see a single argument that has any relevance to moderation. Just Bitcointalk drama; the next account is lurking behind the corner.

https://media.riffsy.com/images/54451401d52c0dd2fe9ee5752857d53c/raw

I knew it all along! ::)

and here's the contains of  PM with Lauda:

https://i.imgur.com/luOXJ8l.png


and here, the proof he well know the problem about VOD feedback before his recent bad feedback ..
as we  have talking about before the genesis #1 "issue"...
so he have used this to trying discredit me ...

https://i.imgur.com/QWrA64c.png

Posting private chat logs is not cool. There are other ways to deal with issues.

The problem with VOD's feedback? It references a thread where evidence was presented which proved you were 'pulling a QS' and self-escrowing your own alt's trades.

Where is the 'problem', other than the fact it rightly causes people to think twice about wanting to trade with you?

wrong : thre's no evidence ;. indeed , as it's fake :: where are your evidences ? lol

go back home neotox.. you're off topic .. ( and by the way: welcome to my ignore list ..)

and you think what Lauda's have done is cool ... ?  come back to reality dude

and trust me ... that's cool in comparaison to the following .....



.

Regardless of what is going on between the two of you (I don't want to comment on it, I don't want to take sides, please keep me out of it),
does this really have anything to do with Lauda being a Mod and their abilities to moderate the sections under them?

If you want to discuss this situation, why not take it to a Reputation thread about Lauda?
I haven't seen any strong arguments about Laudas ability to be a mod or the lack therof in some sites now.

Lutpin : i think a moderator" should have a little something "more.." ,  and dont try to abuse of his position ... that's all ...   in this case,  the fact of i havent xant to trade with him for this specific coin  ( genesis #1 antique brass) , never should affect his judgement,  or motive i any way the bad ranking he left me for a one year old issue... )

as you can read it by yourself, we has talk about it , and this not had motived any bad ranking...
the reaction comes after i refused to sold him this shit coin, and by the way decided to auction it...


https://i.imgur.com/GygtwLI.png

link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1544950.msg15536515#msg15536515

as you have said by yourself,: "Lauda's going to hate you .." , and you was perfectly right...


a real moderator never menaced to left a bad feedback  only for this fact ... this is not fair.

other precision:

the "these fakes" accusations against me are for an account sale .... ( 1 account ) do you syncerly think , as i've got tons of trades for so many bitcoins , with so many users, in so many deals, i will risk my btctalk reputation for only few cents ? ( escrow fees for 1 account sale ? ) ..... i let you think to this ..

I told you I didn't want to comment on the matter between you and Lauda. Please don't pull me into the middle of fights where I have no stake in whatsoever, I'm already having my fair share of them as it is.
My concern was simply about where this discussion should take place, not how and what's being discussed.

I don't see any indication that the messages posted were GPG encrypted so I don't see any reason why anyone would expect those messages to stay private. There should not be any expectation that a Personal message/direct message be kept private if they are not encrypted, especially if there is no explicit request to maintain confidentiality (a privnote sent in plaintext might be an exception to this, however it is still possible that someone will intercept this).  

@Lauda- are the screenshots of those messages an accurate representation of what you said to defcon23 at one point? If not then what is inaccurate?

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I don't think that cryptodevil is an alt of neotux, and making this claim will only be a distraction.

I like how quickseller thinks that people PGP encrypt PMs on IRC ::)

If you're having a private discussion with someone and you then later publish that discussion then it's certainly an aggressive act.  It's also not clear that these screenshots aren't simply faked.  Anyone can use any username on IRC and it's really not hard to do a little image editing anyway.  In any case, it's not clear to me what defcon is accusing him of.  If the screenshots are real then it looks like Lauda wanted to buy some item or another and was feeling impatient, then it looks like he refused to get involved in a personal dispute between Vod and defcon.  what's the accusation here?

yeah sure.... but as you can see in this logs ( at least the publics ones)... many other users have seen the same shit..... that's how this is easely verifiable.. ;)

and yes.... that's not cool ....but just  not more than what Lauda have done in this case...

And what was that exactly?  He was impatient about buying something from you?  He refused to get involved in some dispute between you and Vod?  I don't understand.

dispute between me and vod was one year ago... recently i have ask to Lauda if he could hep to solve it , waht he refused.
untli that no problem.

the rest is more interesting: i have bought a coin , which he want: i have refused to trade it at his conditions ( 25$) so, he first menace to left a bad feedback, then he left me a bad ranking , using this old story between me and vod .. ( power abuse , extortion , blackmail... call it as you want..,  in anyway : BAD

That seems well within his prerogative and not shady at all.  I wouldn't want to get involved in disputes that don't involve me.

I sorta thought that part was a joke.


Well, if it is the case that he at first refused to intervene, and the dispute was over 1 year old, then he later intervened with a negative directly after you refused to trade with him, that seems like poor judgment.  I don't know what Lauda will say, but in the end, trust isn't moderated and we've long had known scammers on default trust.  I assume this is your issue, that Lauda is somewhere in the default trust network and that his feedback is damaging your rep.

I don't leave negative feedback for absolutely no valid reason.  Try again.

proof ? lol go home pupyy .... read better my ranking ... once again i have tons of trade for so many bitcoins... why would i risk destoying my own rep for wining .... let' s say around 1$ or 1.5$ in an fucking account sale ( acting as escrow)  F... off.

I have read your feedback against me.  You called me a scammer when I have never scammed anyone, and you called QS innocent when it was proven he scammed by self escrow.  That alone makes you untrustworthy.

I and my ratings are not going anywhere you scammer.   :)

YO ! go jackoff with all this shit.. people who have already have trade with me knows well who i am ... i never have a trade with you ( and never will do  it..) and i have soooo many better thing to do than fighting with trolls in this poor thread..  play with that ... i have better things to do ;)

poor guy...  ;D

They are (they're easily faked, although I didn't go through each individual message), but I consider them random gibberish. I tend to have 'fun' with people in that chat-room (compare that to the direct messages). The representation of the story is inaccurate, and I disagree with posting screenshot of private conversations without permission. All of this is off-topic to this thread.

Correct, I refused to get involved into that dispute. From what I understand the accusation is somewhere in the lines of: I'm abusing my position (I assume moderator?) by leaving false feedback or something which is ridiculous as those aren't interconnected (regardless of the feedback being correct or not).

Why would it be? Although "my conditions" was just a suggestion based on the amount of money required by others. The first screenshot shows that, although cuts off at "let me know who gets it, so I can leave negative rating" to make it seem like I was serious. If that were true, why am I not seeing the negative rating from myself on the "person who got it"? ::)

This has nothing to do with the personal dispute which happened some time ago. This person (currently ignored) is acting like a special snowflake. I've left several ratings recently as I've caught up on that (still a long list to go). The reasoning: "We had a dispute X time ago, and you aren't allowed to leave a negative rating ever" is bullshit. Don't get me started on unjustified retaliatory feedback, which should make one less trustworthy by default.

That's what my rating reflects. Untrustworthy regardless of initial accusations due to retaliatory unjustified negative feedback.

Good.  Then I expect not to read my name anymore in your masturbatory fantasies.  Thanks.  :)

I see Lauda has temporarily done away with the loud'n'flashy sig ad for a more demure... ad for a more lucrative sig ad.

If that's not ultra-meta, and a sign of a true gentlescholar, I don't know what is.

Always endeavoring to improve the conversational quality and SNR in these here fora, that Lauda.

Seriously, you're 1 year behind on providing feedback? And you're feedback for defcon is negative, but your feedback for QS is neutral? I appreciate your contributions to the forum, but I find the feedback you're leaving questionable and therefore worthless to me.

So Lauda has associated with some shady people...

So he "Aggressively Post" and just so happens to have a Sig


Who the eff cares in regards to being a Moderator?

Like it or not Lauda is going to eventually be a Global Mod.

In my five plus years of being here, I have never been wrong in naming mods.

Lauda will eventually become a Global.



So if he is as shady and backstabbing as you guys claim

Better watch dafuq out ROFL.


 ;D ;D ;D


~BCX~



@Theymos

Lauda passed the BCX extreme tolerance test  ;)

That is correct. There are several trades that happened more than 6 months ago that have yet to be attended.

That rating was left some time ago, I'll catch up on that as well. I haven't left any questionable feedback (unless you disagree with the negative ones, which is a different story). Besides, this is still not relevant to meta but reputation.

You can be entertaining at times. :D

I have left you appropriate feedback, and I encourage others to leave similar negative feedback.


What exactly is inaccurate?

From what I gather from the screenshots alone (which you admitted are generally accurate, so there is no reason to need to trust the person who posted the screenshots to not have forged the logs), the following happened:

-you offer to buy a coin from defcon23 for ~11% of what the coin eventually sells for (and what I presume similar coin(s) have sold for in the past) - via direct message
-you follow up with this offer in the public chat
-you say that you will leave negative feedback if defcon23 does not sell the coin to you for your 11% price
-you say that it will be impossible to link IRC-lauda to btctlk-lauda
-you say that IRC logs are not evidence
-you leave negative trust for defcon23 the very same day that he sells the coin to someone else via an auction over an issue that you knew about well in advance

I don't see how this can be seen as anything except extortion.

I don't see any indication that any of the conversations were intended to be private. Also most scammers/extortionists do not want their scam attempts/extortion attempts to be made public :D

I don't think it is appropriate to have extortionists as moderators.




It sounds to me like you are leaving negative ratings over personal feelings ::)

What do I sound like in your little world?   ;)

I have left you appropriate negative feedback for falsely accusing me of wrongdoing(s).

False. Don't make assumptions when you have no knowledge on this matter. I offered $25 which is more than the average of the last three sales ($20, $25 & $25). He said he's going to keep, so I left it at that and had a little fun with him in that chatroom (easily indentified by saying I'd leave miffman negative rating).

It clearly says:"let me know who gets it so I can leave negative rating", not 'who sells it'. I don't see any invalid negative ratings on anyone from my profile.

Just another example that I'm not serious in that chatroom, I tend to say that I'm in the matrix very often (very serious indeed). There was even talk of a potential meetup between Mitchell, defcon and myself afterwards (day or two after). So much for "extortion".

The discussion with him happened over 10 days ago and I have not contacted him afterwards in an attempt to buy the coin again.

False. I'm saying that I don't agree with it, i.e. I agree with miffman. I don't mind this being public, it's just a chatroom.

You think that it is not appropriate to have people who breath as moderators, as long as they are called Lauda.

FALSE ! FALSE and FALSE again.   you're just  acting like a kid..  LOL  :D  lamentable...


moderator ?? you ?? let me laught ...   ;D

https://i.imgur.com/K6eiSCA.png
Last message (IRC - laptop logs):
https://i.imgur.com/ZOz3RHY.png

Definitely false.

realy..... ??  :D

https://i.imgur.com/YzKKy4S.png


as you can see about this one , the auction for genesis #1 wasnt  closed .... so how you said ? 10 days ago ?? ...... i let to everyone do the counts   :D

Please read the full sentence one more time. I have even sent you a suggestion asking you not to leave false retaliatory feedback to other people (on IRC), but that was ignored. I don't even want to go into the part where I was told to remove the negative rating or my bids would be invalidated.

Not sure why you think posting this puts you and a good light and Lauda not. You're the one being a threatening asshole in the above conversation.

go home neotox ! i will keep your case after  this ... forum sheriff ?? lol  (
cryptodevil = neotox   :D )



as you can see about this one , the auction for genesis #1 wasnt  closed .... so how you said ? 10 days ago ?? ...... i let to everyone do the counts   Cheesy

YO!! enought shit for today !  ;D   have a nice day ;)

i think i will unfollow this thread ....  nothing to see.. 8)

I don't even know what that means.

Fancy another swing at it?

Just to clarify the false information so that it does not get used against me again, defcon23 contacted me first via Slack (not the other way around):

https://i.imgur.com/BryZAWL.png

another nice attempt..

https://i.imgur.com/uRgLqlb.png

missing down part :

https://i.imgur.com/FDH3RzJ.png


https://i.imgur.com/PbFvUue.jpg

I understand that there is some talk going on about some stuff here but really everything aside personally i have had many deals with Defcon and has paid him in advance for many coins that i bought from him and never had a problem , he is a very nice person to talk to as well :D
Overall he's a great guy and i trust him :)

I've had no issue either. All good here.
Lauda, how old are you?

I've contacted him in an attempt to make peace, he continues by writing a long wall of text and posts a screenshot here before I could even read it (not to mention reply to it).

Is it time to rename the thread to "People from defcon's trust list praising defcon"? I don't see how this is relevant to me, the thread sidetracked anyways. That text is suited for a reputation thread. In the meantime (since the thread was created by neotox) he has left 3 retaliatory feedback (called Vod a scammer, called cryptodevil an alt of neotox and called neotox a "total scammer"), all of which are unjustified.

I've had a trade with him as well, however that doesn't justify his past actions.

Old enough to treat everyone equally, and old enough not to let people extort me into removing ratings (I was told to remove my rating in order to bid on the auction).

Even if I had left it 1 month from now, it would have been "due to not selling genesis on his terms" so I figured I might as well do it right now (which is 10 days after any discussions of a potential sale). The reasoning "You can't leave a negative rating if we had a strong argument" is nonsense. Keep in mind that my feedback is focused on the retaliatory unjustified feedback by him (one is 4 months old, and the latest one is 1 day old), not the fact that he used to run a bogus escrow scam. Quote:"and is thus untrustworthy regardless of the initial accusation."

hum;... i'm surprised i dont see any mentions on the untrustworthy feedbacks left against me :
1: by neotox one year ago
2: by the troll forum sheriff ( vod)  1 year ago too..
3: by the troll who comes in this discussion yesterday in shouting " burn the witch !!! "  lol  :D


and by the way: if what you said is true , dear super moderator: why have you leave your feedback only yesterday ?  as the "story" was one year old ??  RE LOL  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/kNAkpFd.png

Don't act like a special snowflake, I've left over 15 ratings in the past 3 days. More will come.

The retaliatory feedback on Vod's profile was left on March this year. Again, my feedback does not focus on the bogus escrow incident, but the unjustified retaliatory feedback with which I most definitely disagree with.
Is there a time-limit that I'm not aware of for feedback?

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Update:
If you were to remove the unjustified retaliatory feedback, I would remove mine as well, as there is no reason for it once you did.

OK ... then if you tell the true: why havent you left them a bad feedback for "unjustified retaliatory feedback" too  ?? ( vod ,neotox..)   as these old feedbacks are completly unprooved ( as they are fake )


my feeback are not more or less "unjustified retaliatory feedback" than their ones ...  at least YOU have proof ??
thank you to expose those then  !   ;)


anyway , everydody has already understand ... you loose your time in justifications dude..

Simple: I was not aware of it. I was always 'behind' on anything that concerns the reputation system. I focus on moderating and posting.

My feedback is neither unjustified, nor retaliatory.

Nope. I did nothing wrong and I stand by it.

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Update: Reposted this as an update. We have come to a peaceful resolution for now (first step). There's more to do, but that is not relevant to this thread.

Lol, I think it is pretty clear that your feedback is retaliatory and the purpose of which is to try to get me to prevent me from further saying that you tried (and failed to) extort a coin from You knew very well what that coin is worth, I don't follow sales of those similar coins, however the coin in question sold for .25BTC, and had bids as high as .3BTC, but were rejected due to time. You stated that you knew another seller would ask for more then what you were offering. Coins with a low serial number tend to sell for a preimum, as they are more desirable, which is why you wanted a set of coins with a "1" serial number.

You threatened to leave negative trust if that coin was not sold to you at ~11% of it's value, and you ended up leaving negative trust over a year old issue that you had long been aware of the day the auction was over. That is not joking around, that is making good on your extortion threat.

I read that as you threatening to leave a negative rating against defcon23, not the buyer. Regardless it wasn't the buyer who did anything to you, it was defcon23 who declined to give you the coin for a ~90% discount.

Bullshit. You were giving reasons why you would not get caught when you made good on your extortion threat as an attempt to get deacon23 to give you the coin.

So you waited until the coin was sold to leave the negative trust. The lack of additional attempts to buy the coin is irrelevant.

You must not understand how confidentiality works.

Nope, it is not appropriate to have people with a history of attempting to extort people as moderators. It is an issue of public trust. How can anyone trust that the forum will be moderated fairly and impartially if one of the moderators has a history of attempting to extort others?

I don't think you understand what extortion means. You should probably look it up. There is no reason why your ability to bid on his auction is worth anything and it is within anyone's right to decline to do business with anyone else for any reason or no reason at all.

I think you should clarify your age. I don't think you are mature enough to act impartiality.

As someone who whines so much about unjustified feedback you might want to take a look in the mirror (and your sent feedback). Someone who happens to disagree with you gets labelled as "sherif" [sp] and "alt of Neotox". Perhaps you should consider another approach, such as not using the trust system to settle your pillow fights. You seem to have a good trade going on but being an utter asshole is getting in the way.

Now back on topic - can someone give me a tl;dr of what Lauda did to piss off the quickpuppets?

Would both of you give me a chance to mediate with you both please?

First, both remove negative feedback for each other, then abstain from further comments for 48 hrs.

Let's cool off and I'd be happy to mediate between both after cool off period.

Deal?

From what I can tell, Lauda offered defcon a low price for a physical coin in an IRC.  Defcon refused to sell.  Lauda fucked around with him in the chatroom.  That's what I've been able to gather so far.

You failed to mention that as part of that "fucking around" that Lauda said she would leave negative trust if defcon23 sold the coin to someone else, and thrn subsequently left negative trust when defcon23 sold the coin to someone else.

That part seems sketchy to me.  But apparently the negative feedback was actually related to some previous incident with defcon23?  I said above that it seems like bad judgment to me.

this make sense .. ( good sense.) .. i  just hate war ...    
so,  i'm OK.. :  Peace process .. ;)
 this pocess seem having already started , by the way..

Good! Lauda, would you give me a chance too plz?

Nope. Your claims against me are false and thus deserve negative rating.

Bullshit. Stop talking about cryptocurrency-coins when you have no knowledge regarding them and you aren't involved in that scene. I successfully bought three #1's at the prices previously listed. The average price was under $25, thus the offer was valid. I highly doubt that anyone (any collector) thought the coin would be worth 0.25/0.3 at the time.

Don't push your comprehension issues towards me. And stop with the "discount bullshit" there was no previous sale of any #1 that had reached a price higher than $25.

Nope. There was talk about a meetup and the logs prove it.

False. The coin was not sold at the time of the negative rating. The coin was on an auction, ergo "on sale".

There was no extortion or any wrongdoing from my side. The feedback has nothing to do with the genesis coin and very little to do with the bogus escrow situation. I have never and will never treat someone unfairly as far as moderation is concerned. You can't seriously expect a person to be impartial about every single thing in their life.

Every single thread about me resulted in:"Shouldn't be mod. because X". I have no idea what I did. Here goes QS with his biased opinions even though defcon23 and myself have made some peace for starters.


Correct. I have fun with people occasionally.

Nope. I have not stated I'd give him negative rating, nor have I given him the negative rating for such.

Sure, I'm fine with that.
http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/yogacats09.jpg

Awesome!  48 hrs cool off then.  If you could, plz ignore any posts from others too, who may try taunting or egging you on to continue responding back and forth.  I'll PM both of you soon as well.

Thanks!!

Damn, I missed a lot in this thread. I'm not willing to get involved either, but I will say that defcon23 has been a competent person to deal with. I'm actually waiting on a couple of things from him, but I have no doubt they'll arrive shortly. Anyway glad to see that some peace has been reached.

Maybe Quickseller can go ahead and lock this thread, at least temporarily, while these guys cool off and discuss privately.

That would be cool.

So Lauda does what he says.

Sounds like great Global Mod material to me.

Lauda is QS endorsed!


~BCX~

I am not sure how you draw the conclusion that I am endorsing lauda.

What Lauda did is highly immoral, and shows that he should absolutely not be in any kind of position of trust.  

It also appears that Lauda is attempting to farm trust from a number of people she has traded with in the past (or so he claims), as he has both sent and received multiple trust ratings since I have left him negative trust. This alone is shady in it's own regard.

I think pretty much everyone involved is aware of that right now.

I'm also BCX endorsed?  :-X

Leaving negative rating due to unjustified retaliatory feedback is highly immoral indeed. Stop flogging a dead horse.

Leaving trust to the people that I've traded with during 2016 is very shady indeed. I should also state that I consider users that breath air after they are born shady. ::)

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The ratings have been removed (at the moment) in case that anyone is wondering.

I am not sure what you are trying to say. I am not the OP, I am not defcon23, and I am not anyone that has vouched for defcon23 in this thread. Sounds like you are trying to distract from the issue that you tried to extort someone out of property worth ~$250


Again, I am not exactly sure what you are saying. You left me retaliatory negative feedback (that I don't give a fuck about). Not that your negative feedback means anything  anymore as it has been exposed as being worthless. For clarification, what you did that was immoral was attempt to extort defcon23 out of his .25BTC coin under the guise of you paying $25 for it.

You are pretty clearly attempting to farm trust in order to hide the negative trust that I left you for being an extortionist. I know that you think you can make up excuses for your shady activity, however your immaturity makes it very easy to see right through almost everything that you do :D

Leave Lauda alone! At least for 48 hours.

@Lauda, please ignore QS (and anyone else commenting on this issue) until the mediation is finished.

It's very tempting.... :) to keep responding...
But please folks, let defcon and Lauda be...
Out of respect to all of us, just leave this thread alone plz

For those that do not know the OP gorgon666, defcon23 and Quickseller are one in the same.

Lauda has been a proactive staff member here doing his best to keep this place in order.

Quickseller is a confirmed and caught in the act escrow scammer.


Who you going to believe.


~BCX~

If you don't like Lauda, I suggest putting her on ignore like I did. The moderators kind of have their own personal clique here, so.  


Don't fight it.  Just ignore it.  It's not that big of a deal. On my other hero account,  I also have her ignored so just block her on any secondaries you have, and block others you have issues with. No need to make a public thread.  Thank you.

Oh jeez, why throw out a common sense solution on this forum

 ;) ;) ;)


~BCX~

Defcon lives over 4,000 miles from where I live. I have no idea who gorgon666 is, however he is not me. This claim is nothing but an attempt to distract from the issue at hand.

I have no idea how effective Lauda is in moderating, however this does not matter because he cannot be trusted after attempting to extort someone out of a physical cryptocoin.

I can post 20 quotes in similiar fashion as above of you making the same kind of denial in being an escrow scammer also.

Only when you were cornered, proven to be an escrow scammer, kicked off the DT did you even admit it.

You are Defcon, you are the Op and I am not sure what your issue with Lauda is but I can assure nothing screams BS like a proven scammer trying to attack the credibility of a trusted staff member.

You're best bet is to simply move on and go play with your PD buddies.

I can't believe Stunna has scrapped the barrel so low as to make you a part of Primedice.


~BCX~

Another reason why people should just take my highly recommend and reasonable offer....


The moderators keep refusing to take me up on it because they just want to keep their abusive or aggitating behavior noticed like this guy right here  (http://archive.is/z87eo)


Please consider my offer.  Please.  100% free.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1550911.0

Do you have Vod on ignore presently?

~BCX~

Irrelevant ad-hominem attacks. Instead of blindly backing lauda, why don't you explain what exactly you meant by this:


edit: if an admin wants to look into the authenticity of these messages then the PMID's are msg5020605 and msg5020635 (I give permission for an admin to look at both of these PMs for the purpose of validating that the above quote is an accurate representation of what was actually sent to me).

Explain LOL

You're a proven Escrow Scammer that Vod outted a long time ago.

PROVEN...

How is that NOT relevant to you calling anyone a scammer?

Just answer the question,

Have you ever been caught decieving anyone in escrow?

If the answer is not no, then you have no credibility in calling anyone out.


~BCX~


Added: How come when I click on the bottom two quotes I never made they go nowhere but the top one goes to an actual quote I made?

hint: You a noob at posting fake quotes, you're better at Escrow Scamming

Before I say anything,  I would first like to say that it'd be best to tone your retaliating responses down a little.  By that,  I mean please stop using offensive words\acronyms like LOL,  indicating you're laughing in his face which is considered disrespectful.  Or saying things like "outted" and "scammer". It's just rude. If you wanna be respected,  you need to give it.


As for your commentary when putting aside the obvious rude behavior,  I have to agree. Quickseller's creditability is temporarily unavailable. Not to defend him or anything, but sometimes actions and behaviors can become misunderstood or completely executed poorly. Lauda is definitely an abusive character who usually contradicts themself and always seems to kiss up to people higher than them. Hearing that information from someone who isn't in any better shape just won't help the case though.  I suggest making a second account at this point and just putting everything behind you.  No rule book saying you can't start off fresh.  That's what I did,  and now I have a hero account with neutral trust for trading and whatnot. 

Defcon and QS are not the same.

The quotes are not fake, they are from Personal Messages that you sent me.

@TheGr33k

While I certainly do have an appreciation for your rational demeanor, it isn't my nature to show a proven scammers any respect at all.

Quickseller ripped off Bitcoin newbies that didn't know any better.

Whether Lauda is abusive or not, I have no idea or really care as I am on a mission.

Lauda is a productive staff member.

and Yes QuickSeller/Defcon23/gorgon666/Panthers52/Jhanzo/Bipolarbob/PistolPete/Grumpster AND MANY OTHERS ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON


~BCX~

If you have the DOX of Lauda please PM me. If you shipped to Lauda please PM me the address shipped to.

I will verify with public sources and publish her DOX.

Mitchell, DONT!

That's most probably Mitchell, in 99.99% of the cases.
Leave them out of this, they've got nothing to do with the conflict between you and Lauda.

My guess is, you won't.

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You also kinda destroyed all your credibility in this thread with that post up there.
Trying to dox lauda seems like a desperate last swing to me.

The user wasn't forcing Mitchell to do anything.  I don't see them talking about Mitchell.  I think they just meant anyone in general. Whether someone wants to give info on Lauda is their business. Although I don't understand the point of doxing because it should be illegal here. 

OK, where do I start?
I've shipped stuff to Lauda in the past, I got stuff from Lauda.
Both times, the shipping was handled with Mitchell acting as halt in between.
From what I've gathered in chats/talks with Lauda, aswell as generally, that's the common way when dealing with them.
Anyone who would have shipped to Lauda would only be abled to provide Mitchells address as a result.
And the only person to provide the acutal dox is, correct, Mitchell.

11 or more shipped to Lauda. The thread uncovered Lauda wanting free things and threatening when he does not get free things. In my country this is not legal.

Lauda is becoming more dangerous all the time.  Lauda should not be a moderator, and Lauda should not be deemed green.

I was understanding that you did not wish to discuss Lauda. What happened?

I didn't want to comment on, nor take sides in the conflict between Lauda and Defcon.
As this has clearly shifted to something else now, I don't see the need for me not to comment on it, if I feel like doing so.
I'm happy to comment on Lauda (as I did in this thread earlier aswell), it was the situation I was trying to stay out.

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s/o for wordplays and brexit jokes. Thumbs up!

Summa cume Lauda (sic)  :)

I vote remain - no Bitexit for Lauda

But that's not the point I'm trying to make. 

Dammit that made me spill my coffee :D
Well played good sir.

That won't work.

Correct.

They're just flogging a dead horse. I wonder what they think would happen if they had my DOX and posted it.

Well played sir.  :D

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Timeline of events (summary):

• 02/07/2016 – I offered defcon23 a genesis trade-in or $25 for #1 Brass (which is what the coin was worth at the time, as the other #1 coins have sold for a maximum of $25). He declined my offer.
• 09/07/2016 – Genesis Auction starts.
• 12/07/2016 – Mutual negative ratings were left (I left the first rating). Later this day, the auction had finished[1].
• 15/07/2016 – We have come to an agreement that  works for each other. We have made peace and have resumed normal communications.

       
[1] - I'm actually the person who won the auction as the current winner was bidding for me.

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In anyone has questions they can ask us both directly. As far as we are concerned this case is solved.                                

i confirm: this is absolutely exact .  

defcon23

I'm glad you made peace! Carry on :)

the resolution that i  came to was to each remove our negative trust ratings, and to replace them with positive trust that was from an actual deal. ..

I think that Lauda was trying to extort me, that i think the price of the coin was at least .25 when lauda offered $25 for it, and i don't think that Lauda was joking when he was threatening to leave me negative trust if i did not sell him the coin


now apparently he try to push me to a ban in making removing many of my posts wich lutpin report with no valid reasons to moderators


i report as he can many of my posts ....  at least 4 since today

https://i.imgur.com/nKm6W7M.png

i have screenshots of all of those posts ...  there's no reson the were be deleted ... that's not some old bumps , and nothing offensive inside , or what...

i think i need to talk to Theymos.

I've reported 6k posts so far, some are yours, others are not.
None of the reports I made could have been handled by Lauda, as it's not their section to moderate and you're not a newbie.

It was good while it lasted?

No, I can't delete the posts that were deleted and no I have not requested a ban for you as there is no reason to do such.  The people who are able to remove your posts are:
https://i.imgur.com/FNHCjJz.png
+ grue + admins.

I have nothing to do with either reporting nor the moderation of your posts. Even if I could, I would most likely leave them to someone else considering the situation that we were in.

i know you do that for Lauda ,  the goal is only to having me banned ... that's the goal .. the sad part it's it's just cause i have reported Lauda extortion ( try )

I'm the #2 leading user on most correct reports behind shorena, I'm in that spot for a long time now and I didn't start reporting posts just today.
I'm doing this for the forum and not to get you banned or for lauda, accusing me of something like that is ridiculous.

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@Lauda: My intentions when reporting some of the posts defcon made in the past were not to resparkle the conflict of yours (neither was it my intention to start one myself, for what it's worth), I'm sorry should this now be the result, I didn't expect them to react in a way like this.

Well, a few month ago a lot of my old posts (''thread bumps'') got deleted as well. Imho totally useless to delete such old posts but I didn't care. Nothing happend so just chill. ;)
Maybe people trying to get mod in this way ::)  

https://i.imgur.com/xOPgj7b.png?1

Come on man, you're better than this. You can surely understand that, due to the way moderation works around here, there is no way that Lauda could have deleted your posts to "extort" you. Unless there is a bigger conspiracy at hand that the mods don't want us to know about. ::)

we are not talkin about old bumps bro , there's no reasons for those posts to be deleted..  i would be interesting to ask why they are ? and by the way , why they are today , ( precisely since 15 jully ) , and reported by who ? ( surely interesting)

extortion was about a coin : genesis #1 ,  not relative to these deleted posts ... scroll a bit in this thread.


the reports ( abusives) are made by Lutpin , wich work with Lauda beind the scene , against me .

I've reported 3 of your posts today, if I knew it would create drama like this, I would rather not have done it.

@l6e: I take reporting posts as an essential part of being on this forum, moderation only works when everyone takes part in it (or at least a sufficient group cares enough to) and I don't think anyone would become moderator (only) for reporting many posts.

I've reported a few posts in your sticker sale thread in the past IIRC.

@minifrij: I've captured theymos in my basement and all the mods have to answer to my askings. My plan is to take over the forum, rename it to buttcointalk and to replace all sections with either KnC discussion or ETH/Bitcoin-Ponzi FUD.

So this is irrelevant to the extortion?

You do understand that Lauda did not delete your posts, as that is impossible, right? And that reports have to be approved by a moderator of the section before anything happens to them, so even if Lutpin did report them the reports were correct and breaking some sort of rule?
What point are you trying to make here, on this thread about Lauda? That you're unhappy a moderator, that isn't Lauda, deleted your post?

i have screenshots of those deleted posts ... that's not some bumps, and nothing offensive or what in those..  by the way Lutpin have publiquely admit too ... ( i'm not so wrong) it was him ... soooo, why this hate and this mass reports since 15 jully ?  it's easy to understand:
it's because Lada have try to extortion for this coin , he have menace to rate me in red on my ranking if i dont sold him this coin for 25$ as i pretty well know i would sold it for 0.25 bitcoins !

That's clearly extortion/blackmail

Last time I checked reporting was neither against the forum rules, nor was it being frowned upon (at least not by the people who's opinion I care about).
Why should't I "publicly admit" my reporting activity?
I'm open to talk about what reports I make for which reasons.

I understand that. Who would have expected someone to get upset over a few posts. Sometimes, even my own old posts get deleted. It's not something to stress about unless you were damaged in the process (e.g. highly constructive posts).

You mean this (from the chat) "lauda=  hilaroius= cyrus= malevolent"? :D

Again, I have nothing to do with this. I've found about it when you messaged me on IRC regarding the matter.

One day I'm not an extortionist, the next day I am. I guess it changes with the weather. :-X

That is correct. Even if I had something to do with this (which I honestly don't) another (more experienced) moderator would have to agree to delete it.

So now we can see in the future and determine what the price of a coin is going to be? Anyhow, I'm the one who bought it through mj for 0.25BTC.

1: Lauda have tried extortion against  me for a coin ( already explained....   "25$ for this coin or i rate you in red , and launch of my troll army against you ..) ( what he did)

2:  he propose to solve this cause it start to smell bad for him...

3: he work behind the scene against me with Lutpin , ...

Looks like some unintended consequences from reporting posts?  Could look sneaky but maybe it's just unexpected result...

Calm down all plz.

you always be... the "resolution" have never  change this "fact"

you perfectly know what you have done .

i would like to understand why this post have been deleted:

Then send them to a global moderator, such as Cyrus or Hilariousandco, and ask why they were removed. Either that, or post the screenshots here and I'm sure someone will tell you what you did wrong.

Because your post was breaking a rule, and Lutpin doesn't want posts that break the rules to be on the forum, so he reports them? Lutpin has reported over 6,000 posts, and I'm sure they're not all yours. I've had posts which are months old deleted, a few days is nothing.

???

Who are you and what have you done with BadBear?

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Oh, I reported this one. I reported it because you did nothing to change the previous, quoted post but make some text red and blue, making it a useless post. You could have done the same thing with an edit.

NO i will send directly to Theymos . i need to understand and to explain .

I handled several if not all the reports. As already stated, Lutpin reported them and they were handled just like any other report would be. Lauda had nothing to do with it and bumps getting deleted aren't going to get you banned. Stop being paranoid.

Ok .. please explain me why should i sold a coin to Lauda for 25$ ( wich i can sold for 0.25 btc ) , and if i dont do it , have my rating painted in red ? is this normal ?

i have never scam anyone and always been honest with everyone .

I can't have anything to do with this even if I wanted it (someone else would have to confirm a rule was broken in order to delete them).


Again, I apologize for the unintended mess from a chatroom. I'm at most semi-serious there unless there's a deep conversation going on. I have bought the coin via the auction and would have most likely offered you a lot more back when I offered $25 (but you refused to sell).

Again, it was because of the bad feedback that you left on others. You've fixed it and thus I removed my rating. We've been over this several times now?

Breaking news: mini and I are partners in crime.

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Just for the record: YOU'RE Bonny, and I'm Clyde. No-one should think it's the other way around. :-*

Damnit, this was meant to be a secret!

you have ask to minerjones to bid for you, and syncerly never mind with this ...    but, even in this auction , your friend Lutpin have acted ... read it  ( just because the price was goes too higuest for "you" ) ( 0.3 btc )


and about this post:


it is not less or more "inconsitent post than the ones you have reported from mine)

This is the first I've heard of it and I'm not even sure what went on but I have no interest in getting in any drama between you and Lauda and that's something you two will have to work out. I merely just stopped by to tell you that I deleted those posts that were constituted as bumps and there's no vast conspiracy going on against you.

IIRC minerjones told me about it, I was not aware that the auction was in progress. In any case, he did it to prevent it from getting 'lost' (another one already is).

I was away during the auction ending (I think), and have only seen what happened after it happened. You can't blame Lutpin for pointing out incorrect bids (according to your own auction rules), can you? Not that this is relevant to the OP.

You forgot to add the part where you both were working for me.

You forgot to mention the fact that you threatened ("jokingly" or not) defcon23 with negative trust if he did not sell the coin to you.

You also failed to mention that you told defcon23 that you expected to be asked to pay a higher price for a similar coin "later"

You failed to mention that a less desirable coin (serial number 2 as opposed to 1) was selling for much more then your offer price here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1254150.0)

I interfered with your auction because you failed to follow the rules you layed down within OP, which others confirmed.
I had no idea MJ was bidding for lauda at that time (I suspected it, strongly, but did NOT know it).
Accusing me of all this shit is shocking to me, integrity has always been a key to me.

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@QS: that sale by cjb is a series 1 coin, which imo can't be compared. I sold a #2 series 2 coin for much less roughly at the auction time.

No. I wanted a more detailed timeline but defcon23 said it should be kept short and that other people could ask us directly what happened if they wanted to know. I'm not completely sure what you mean with the second part, but I did mention expecting to be asked ridiculous prices for the last piece(s).

I'm collecting Genesis series 2. These are series 1 coins and you use that for a price comparison(look at the thread update date)?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

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I highly advise you to stop pretending like you know what you're talking about (in this matter) when your knowledge regarding crypto-coins is questionable at best.

defcon23 is the blackmailer in this matter, and he has a history of blackmail.

blackmail:  to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.

I left defcon23 proper negative feedback after he was caught in a escrow scam.

He then left me negative feedback calling me a scammer.

He then sent me many PMs saying he would remove his feedback if I removed mine.  I finally had to block his PMs.

Now he did the same thing to Lauda, removing his lying feedback only once Lauda removed his feedback.

I have no idea why Lauda would leave that blackmailer POSITIVE feedback while he continues to insult Lauda.   :-\

I am not sure that doxing someone over this incident is appropriate. I would suggest that a more appropriate resolution would be a warning not to deal with Lauda, and removing her from being a mod. My opinion on this would obviously change in the event that additional evidence is uncovered that suggests this is more then an isolated incident.

I do find it strange that someone who has been as uncontroversial as Lauda in the past is going to such great lengths to protect their identity, especially considering the reputation of those Lauda has traded physical items with. Or maybe it is strange that Lutpin is claiming this to be a fact (when it is really not) -- if this is the case then Lutpin is clearly not the neutral party he is claiming to be in this thread -- are there any txid's that might backup these trades?

I think this looks very bad on the side of Lauda. For starters, it appears this is more evidence that Lauda is engaging in trust farming. Secondly, and more importantly, it discredits the claim that Lauda was "joking" when he threatened to leave negative trust when the coin in question was put up for sale.

#1 from what I can gather, it looks like the posts in question probably should have been deleted.
#2 From what I can gather, you are somewhat close to Lauda, and appear to be backing him. From an outsider's perspective, one might be able to argue that the reason for the reports might be something more then you "came across" an old post that should be deleted.
#3 In the past, others have suddenly had a lot of old bumps deleted when they were in the middle of a dispute with someone. They sometimes receive this as being an intimidation tactic.
#4 with #2 being said, the fact that I do not like someone, or that I am on one side of an argument/dispute with someone will not prevent me from reporting their posts
#5 Considering #1, someone else would likely have eventually reported the posts anyway.

Lauda offered to buy a coin from defcon23 for $25. After defcon23 declined the offer, Lauda said she was going to leave negative trust (see screenshot here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg15567061#msg15567061)). Lauda claims that her threat of negative trust was a "joke". A few weeks later, defcon auctions off the coin in question, and Lauda leaves defcon23 negative trust on the day the auction was scheduled to end. (it might have been said that Lauda was not aware of the auction at the time the negative trust was left, but I am not 100% sure). The negative trust was over something that allegedly happened ~a year ago. The coin ended up selling for ~7 times the amount of Lauda's offer.

The coin that Lauda was trying to buy still ended up selling for ~7x what Lauda was trying to pay for it.

You left out the reason why there is a dispute in the first place.

Yes, you said that you expected to be asked to pay a price that was higher then the $25 you were offering. You knew that you would not be able to buy the coin for $25 in the open market.

txids for trades of genesis coins against each other for completing sets or aquiring certain #'s aswell as metals are rather hard to get, there aren't any.
I've been reshipping a coin from chronicsky to Mitchell, which was intended to end up at Laudas, I'm sure both of the involved parties (besides Lauda and me) will confirm this, when you ask them.

I guess I will have to take your word for it. Although that does sound like an awful lot of steps for a couple of $25 coins.

Honestly, from the conversation that I had with them I got the idea that they genuenly wanted to make peace and get this over with. Additionally, they were really friendly yesterday. I guess I was wrong, the feedback has been reduced to neutral in light of the new situation and is going to stay that way.

So people who are genuinely concerned with privacy and anonymity are strange? There was only 1 person here besides Mitchell that ever shipped to me directly, but they are deceased.

You could either get IRC/Slack/PM logs to back these up or TX ID's (in some cases there are none since there's a trade-in). However, I'm sure that most of these people don't want to get involved.

No. I had suggested and even labeled it (optional) to him while we were discussing. I asked several times whether the other party felt like something had to be done differently, they insisted several times that they just wanted to make peace and we came to a mutual agreement. The user in question suddenly backed out of everything for something that has no connection to me(?) and thus I've changed my rating to neutral. I'm really done with this. I will neither remove nor change my rating anymore.

If occasionally talking, mostly about forum related matters, equals being somewhat close and 'backing him', maybe.

I have never stated I'd leave the seller negative rating for that and have not done so.

No. I was aware of the auction that day, however the rating has nothing to do with the bogus escrow situation but their bad retaliatory feedback (which they have rewritten properly with my help) and thus I have removed my rating. Also: Defcon23 refused to sell at all (mentioned even possibly keeping it, not refused to sell just at $25.

Again, defcon23 insisted on keeping it short.

There were no sales of a #1 in the open market (I had 3 private sales so far) beforehand and the offer was genuine. The user in question didn't provide a counter-offer (e.g. higher asking price) and thus it was left at that.

The situation was specific. For some reason chronicsky was unable to ship directly to NL.

Shipping from sky to me was something around $3, shipping from me to Mitchell was around $6-ish, I think shipping from Mitchell to Lauda will happen in bulk, so there's probably no additional shipping cost for that.
It indeed did take alot of time, mostly due to customs sitting on the package for around a week,
but the price is rather low, considering that shipping from the US to Europe often comes at $25/$50+ without any additional steps for reshipping.

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I've got cats, you like cats - we're basically BFFs.

And like clockwork, he changed his feedback back to negative, in an attempt to blackmail you.

Be the bigger person, keep your feedback at neutral, and let the entire community see what a nutjob that guy is.

(You may also want to block his PMs like I had to, or else you will get constant PMS offering to remove his negative feedback IF you leave him positive.)

@CanaryInTheMine - Kudos to you on your attempt to bring peace.  I believe defcon is too mentally unstable to understand what you were trying to do.   :-\

I don't think you understand what it means to blackmail someone. In order to blackmail someone, you need to ask for something of value that is not rightfully yours. Defcon23 has not asked for anything of value from Lauda.

Lauda on the otherhand asked for a cryptocoin worth 0.25BTC for next to nothing, and threatened to damage his reputation if he did not comply. There is a very big difference between the two. 

Lutpin - I see you left him needed feedback, and he turned around and left you negative instantly.  Be prepared for the PMs offering to remove that feedback if you remove yours.   :-\



Sure he has.  It has value to him to not have negative feedback on his profile.  I understand the rules are different in your world, however.

It is neutral and will remain like that.

I have ignored him as I'm done with this. I have put too much effort into genuinely trying to make peace with this user just to have them to back out of everything in an instant.

I am starting to think that a) You are doing this on purpose; b) You have comprehension issues. The coin was not worth "0.25 BTC" unless you can see in the future(?). Even now, it is arguable if it is worth 0.25 BTC. Similarly if I offer someone ~$670 for 1 BTC now, you can't claim I offered "next to nothing" if it reaches a price of, e.g. $1k after X time.

I even explained to him several times, during our negations, why bad retaliatory feedback should not be left.

Why do you keep fanning the fire that had already been put out with Canary's help? Defcon23 clearly has issues, just leave it be and move along.

Please keep the tidbits of information coming! Every little bit about the identity of Lauda helps!

really ? : so you should explain that to the troll ( Vod) too ..

despite the fact that the evidence that i escrowed for myself doesn't even make any sense, Lauda has said multiple times that Vods rating is valid and it is because of Lauda that cryptodevil left me  a negative rating.

Just because Lauda left me a "positive rating" for a trade we have ( and just after left a bad one ) doesn't mean that he isn't working against me behind the scenes.

Lauda should be removed as a moderator and i do not believe Lauda is able to be impartial. that's a fact.
A moderator never tried to force an user to sold him a coin under his real  valor , with menacing of detroy his reputation if  i dont do it ..
by the way , he finaly did it : look at all this shit now ..  i just applause : well done !

who try to manipulate bitcointalk trust ranking ? me ?? look by yourself:

https://i.imgur.com/9fb35Ae.png


you can clearly see here who is trying to manipulate everyone , just to save his ass in this thread...

Then NO : Lauda shoudnt be a moderator .. if we cant trust a moderator that's start to be terrible for everyone....

Lauda is honestly great, one of the best mods (and generally users) visiting this board. I really don't understand, why somebody is to dumb to create thread like this one.

He tried his best I assume and so did I.

Yawn. Even if you managed to acquire any valid information it would be useless.

I guess genuinely trying to be helpful is not enough these days. :-X

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It seems that the user randomly turns on their own words; here's a shot from the begging of our 'peaceful negotiations':
https://i.imgur.com/6z4fRbg.png

 :)

yeah sure ... and  it was not a long time  before you promised to stop your shit ... just before you asked to Lutpin to do all he can do against me ( multiples reports for no valid reasons ) at least  5 since 15 jully .. is this wasnt agressive ... i dont understand at all ..   trolling my threads ( that's start with the auction for the coin for wich you have tried to blackmail me ... and continued since this date ... ( look at his posts in my last raffle...)  in other way it should be genetic for Lutpin ... that's remember olds storys in sads parts of French history  when people used to reports people ....


by the way another one  where you propose to "arrange" my posts, and propose kindly to rewrite them to your advantage  :

https://i.imgur.com/DEfZaGz.png

i really love the end : "plop twist of the year" ...   :D


well... i let you play with this thread , continued to try convaince people with your arguments ...  lol

bullshit accusation.

I report posts because I think they violate the forum rules for reasons I state in the comments to my reports.

You were unabled to host your auction in the way you stated in OP, I prevented you from continuing to run an auction which should have ended by the rules several bids before.
An action you thanked me for back then, as I prevented a possibly big mess, but which you now use to turn against me, like you regularly are turning on people with other stuff.

Your raffle is another example of you fucking up. You had accepted my entry, we came to what I considered a vocal contract.
For me, the bet was placed and accepted, it was written in stone with this.
You then chose to revoke everything we had agreed on over me reporting one of your posts and it getting deleted as a result.
You also made up other rules on the way and changed things, which you shouldn't have made.
I consider this no acceptable way to host a raffle and I think you should stop doing those, if you fail like this in them.

Not sure what the frenchman is trying to say me here, maybe grab a dictionary and try again?

Yeah, I'm literally the GESTAPO.

I think it was me, actually.  ;)

In any case, people should know that gorgon666 (the OP) is an alt of Quickseller.  defcon23 is not.

I believe what Lauda did was unethical, immortal, and wrong. I also don't think it is right that Lauda is trying to sweep what he did under the rug as if nothing ever happened. Lauda clearly knew the value of the coin was more then what he was offering it because he said that other sellers would ask a higher price then the $25 he was offering. The appropriate resolution to unsuccessfully extorting someone is not to exchange positive trust with the person you tried to extort

1 - you are wrong about entering into a contract
2 - Ignoring 1, you were still made whole when you received a refund. The feedback that you left is clearly retaliatory in nature, and it looks like you are basing the trust that you leave based on the fact that someone is or is not willing to do business with you.

Let's speak of unethical, immoral and wrong.

You stole money from another community member pretending to be a neutral third party.
You lied about being banned.
You lied about leaving the community.
You post to yourself using alt accounts to boost your point of view.

I have no idea why community members still support you, or why the moneypot.com campaign supports you, but what you are is a HYPOCRITE.

You have no right to judge others based on morality or ethics.

What's up with you and Lauda, did she delete so many of your posts?

Get used to getting your posts deleted as a newbie, I had more than 20 posts deleted when I was a newbie.

By the way it wasn't Lauda who did it.

gorgon666 is Quickseller.  This is actually his standard attack.  He uses a newbie account to open an outlandish accusation.  Then, somewhere downthread, he shows up with his main account.  He may also use other accounts, idk.  You can see this in how he used his account newton1 to attack dooglus in two threads at once.  He also did the same thing when he was attacking me, he used at least 4 accounts in that attack.

I stand corrected that it was you that busted Quickseller.




~BCX~

So theymos  is okay with having a staff member on his team that extorts people?

i dont think this could be possible.

i have left him a message few days ago.... and  i still wait an answer from him yet.

i sincerly woudnt believe theymos is refusing to take any action against lauda for attempting to extort me....   so, let's wait and see..

There won't be any action because there was no attempt by Lauda to extort you.



~BCX~

This thread is going insane, please OP close it since the title is misleading and is not true.
If Lauda is a bad mod, theymos would notice and take actions against him, which he doesn't do so everything should be allright. Don't be pissed at him for a unknown reason.

The most awkward part of this thread is that it's another attempt by QS to troll someone into oblivion using many accounts and trumped up accusations.

It seems like defcon and Lauda really do have some issues that they need to sort out, it also seems like they're working on that.  QS isn't going to close the thread because he's after Lauda for some reason.  Who knows what that is?  Most likely, Lauda refused to be bullied by him sometime or another and that got QS mad and the rest is what we have here in this thread.  Be on the lookout for new threads by other alt accounts as QS typically tries this multiple times.

So if I understood you right, quickseller is trying to make problems bigger than they are?
And by the way u should be aware of that betcoin.ag is not a good fompany to promote atm, since many people are talking bad about them. Alot of trusted people have been into trouble for advertising them, so mayby they will be attacking u too, I hope that won't happen for u. Time to close this thread :)

@OP


So after 13 pages and several months, not a single shred of tangible evidence was posted that Lauda was actually trying to extort anyone....

AND

in these 13 pages not a single reason as to why Lauda should not be a mod.


I agree it's time to lock this thread.



~BCX~

I just want to add that Lauda is the hottest internet chic I have ever met and I am glad stuff is as usual while I was away. Reading this whole crap made me laugh tears, thanks for that.

The only question that remains is: Why is she not a global mod and why the hell is Lutpin still on DT?? Looking forward to the PM that tells me this post was deleted! :)

Lauda is now on the payroll of TradeFortress, the infamous inputs.io/coinlenders scammer.

Today Lauda received (https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/d327f15d2b43401c2bc63a3b0880b3b97bff9eddeee1b59d4dfe7537fbb563dd) at least 1 bitcoin from TradeFortress.

Lauda, what is your roll in working for TradeFortress?

The payment was a donation from an anonymous party for performing the ritual of giving 9 lives to kittens:

https://i.imgur.com/Ryf5chW.gif

Regardless of if you knew who the payment was coming from at the time, or what the purpose of the payment was, the transaction did in fact come from TF. What you decide to do with it is up to you, and should depend among other things, if you have provided actual services prior to this post in exchange for the payment. I emailed TF asking him why he created that 1kBTC giveaway thread, however I have not received any kind of concrete answer; either way, you cannot deny that you received payment from TF because the blockchain does not lie.

(I can also assure you that you did not receive a "donation" because you "gave 9 lives to kittens").

The blockchain trail leads to 2013 to an address potentially connected to TF (Inputs.io hack), but that's not conclusive or the evidence was presented somewhere yet to be seen by me. The story regarding the situation is certainly unusual.

The real idea behind the payment is to fund a lawsuit against a certain individual. I also plan on PGP signing this.

Do you have any proof for this? Several people (and even the Eater) received coins from this source.

I was honestly surprised to see this post, so I decided to look into the stance of blackmail/extortion by libertarians (which alligns with theymos' political beliefs).

It looks like the libertarian view on blackmail is that they accept this kind of practice. The article that I read explained that allowing blackmail would make immoral activities more expensive (if you cheat on your wife for example, then you might have to pay an extortion in order to avoid this information from becoming public). The article also mentioned that the normal course of business involves something very similar to blackmail on a regular basis -- an example that it gave was that when someone goes to the grocery store, that the customer will blackmail the store in saying that they will not give the store money for a loaf of bread unless the store gives the customer a loaf a bread, and conversely, the store will blackmail the customer in saying that they will not allow the customer to leave with the loaf of bread unless the customer pays for the bread.

I think the major difference in Lauda's case is that Lauda fabricated evidence (and/or utilized evidence that he knew was fabricated) in order to harm the reputation of defcon23. By proclaiming allegations that Lauda knew to be false, Lauda was actively deceiving others. I also know the libertarian view is to "let the markets work it out", however I believe the market has spoken, as multiple people have questioned the negative trust that Lauda originally left, and multiple people have excluded Lauda from their trust lists.

I don't think I agree with this viewpoint, as I believe that money gained as a result from blackmail/extortion (as is commonly defined) is stolen and does not belong to the receiver. I would argue that the moral response to becoming aware of illegal/unethical activity would be to report such activity.

Yes.

The address that is holding 1,000BTC, and that was giving away BTC to users is 1BfxSuxJqXuizBbTcP238JZY9DT4eqvzJG

The above address received 1,010 BTC via 641b11014a25e305aa075cfd9505435c697602890cc4fb76f27bc7ba95a61a76 from 1Hy1rceh2EaKnAQhGZocTFUGnKFFD3mNG5

The above address received a similar amount of BTC via 938e072318486566a9b8c301b9937052fc25f500ee4d0cea9f4dde07d9614b24 from 13tikBdmMVkyuykDVNmv3tTr8YkVN3Xrut

13tikBdmMVkyuykDVNmv3tTr8YkVN3Xrut is believed to belong to TradeFortress according to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178.msg3521657#msg3521657) post by malevolent in 2013. I am not 100% certain on his thought process, however a brief look at blockchain transactions around this time makes this seem reasonable.

If you were to believe malevolent, then either TF sent you BTC, or someone purchased ~$500,000 worth of BTC from TF just to giveaway. I would personally doubt the later is what happened.

The only person that harmed defcon23's reputation is he himself. His unusual overturning of his own word and the act of calumny/blackmail is what got him in this mess. What they did was irrational at best.

I would be interested in the "evidence" that I "fabricated". Please enlighten me.

If by "multiple people" you mean several of your own alt accounts, then this statement is likely to be true. Why don't you say that this is ​your​ personal reaction, Quickseller? Instead of saying stuff that is obviously either false or strongly bent in order to support your stance?

No. You knowingly spread what you knew to be false and misleading information about defcon23.


Yes, I have personally excluded you from my trust list as a result of your failed extortion, no I have not used any of my alts to do this. Others have excluded you from their trust list as well. What I am saying is not false.

Your immaturity is very much showing in your reactions to my posts Lauda :)

It was TradeFortress that sent you the BTC. The blockchain evidence overwhelmingly supports this.


edit:

It is clear that defcon23 was not acting as an escrow for his own transaction, yet you proclaimed this to be a true statement when you knew it to be false (or at least anyone with 1/2 a brain, and who spends a few minutes looking into the situation would be able to come to this conclusion).

Wasn't there a joint venture between yourself and TF?

Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.msg12406963#msg12406963

What information are we talking about exactly? The negative ratings that he received are a result of his own doing, not any information left by me. If you do not understand that, then read them again.

Who are these others?

Ad hominem because of yet another failed swing? It's interesting that (excluding parties directly involved) among so many replies, you're the only one trying to manipulate the story and label me as something that I'm not. Good luck with your endeavor.

Not that it matters either way:

OK. It certainly looks like there's a connection. Although, there are several beliefs. I am looking for evidence, and there's no room for beliefs there.

I can look to try to figure out what malevolent's thought process was when he posed that 13tikBdmMVkyuykDVNmv3tTr8YkVN3Xrut belongs to TF sometime tomorrow. The thing about this kind of blockchain evidence is that unless you are able to catch him "red handed" in possession of the private keys to the address he sent the BTC from, then you cannot say with 100% certainty that the BTC came from TF.

You left a negative rating that said that defcon23 escrowed a trade that he was a party to when you knew that was a false statement.

TECSHARE
defcon23
ABitNut
quickseller (myself)
Slow death


It matters enough for you to lie about the BTC coming from an anon source as a "donation". I want to correct you. If you believe that it does not matter that TF sent you BTC, then you should be able to simply admit to receiving BTC from TF.

lauda, see the love QS has for you.

That has nothing to do with "spreading false and misleading information", I was merely quoting what was already present on their trust page (whether the accusations are correct or not should be taken up with the person who made them). My rating was not focused on that, but the act of calumny for which he got negative ratings for anyway.

If we exclude the people under subjective bias, we are left with 3 people. This is what you call "several"? What makes you think that they've excluded me after and/or because of these events? Are you regularly doing checkups on me?

If you thought that the sentence was a serious one, then you have comprehension issues. It's none of your business anyways, you were in bed with TF before yourself.

Isn't she a very kind person?  

For fun, here's where QS tries to rationalize taking stolen money to sue Vod:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.msg12414083#msg12414083

Thanks!  I was going to look this up but you beat me to it.  It seems that Lauda has inherited the unfortunate roll of brunt of Quickseller's massive alt army attacks.  After me, the crown fell to dooglus, now it seems it has passed to Lauda.  Lauda, hang in there, eventually QS gets burnt out and moves onto smearing someone else.  It is sorta hillarious that he's now using his alt to say that people shouldn't take money from TF, seeing as he's practically thumping his chest about it in that other thread.

Quickseller has a very unhealthy obsession with me.   :-\

As I pointed out back then, he was all talk and no lawsuit would ever emerge.

Do you think he returned the unused funds to TF? Should've used an escrow...  :)

I think I didn't keep good track of the situation with dooglus, I do recall the attack on you though.

Thanks. Even though I don't prefer drama and threads like these since they waste time, I don't mind:

I'm still waiting for the (failed) attempt at getting my DOX.

Hypocrisy? :D

You aren't the only one apparently, the obsession with you just isn't over yet. Thus, that's quite unfortunate.

No. I would never do business with Trade Fortress. It was clear for a long time that he was a long con, before even Inputs.io opened. Now he has the moderators on his payroll.

Now I see why you like Lauda so much. He will willing to censor threads that are allowed but are hurtful to you --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1576103.0

Here we go again. Sorry QS, neither you nor TF have enough funds to have me on your payroll. ::)

There's a distinct difference between censoring and moderation. The thread was used to troll and thus is not allowed. It showed up on the first page of Services for me even thought it is old (March).

Lauda, why don't you be very clear, and tell everyone the purpose of you receiving 1 btc was? This way you can be on the record!

You may have accidentally removed part of my post from your quote. That's probably what's causing the confusion. Here it is again:


And here is a full quote from the link above in case you can't click on it for some reason:


It also doesn't look like you've ever made any attempt to warn anyone about TF's "long con". Such a horrendous oversight for a scam buster like yourself, isn't it?

I've reported it earlier due to the changed policy announced by theymos when it comes to handeling doxes and things that are connected to them^[1].

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1576015.0

Unbelievable that this discussion has reached 15 pages, I had to read 15 pages and I confess I do not understand why they came to have 15 pages.

@gorgon666

What problem you have with moderation of Lauda?

@Quickseller

What problem you have with moderation of Lauda?

It seems to me @gorgon666 and @Quickseller station taking this fight to a dark side (Revenge)


About Red Trust that Lauda gave defcon23 generated fight, but this fight was fueled by gorgon666 and Quickseller.

He had that guy who tried to mediate the conflict between Lauda and defcon23

Lauda and defcon23 had already reached an agreement, but returned to fight just because some deleted post and because Quickseller insists judge Lauda.


Lauda and defcon23, you are mature and very intelligent people, fighting does not solve anything, just reconcile and remove trust that both sides gave each other. to end the fighting, violence is something that has very serious consequences.

@gorgon666

You're smart, lock this thread, you have the right to say that Lauda not worth STAFF member is your opinion, and we respect your opinion, I do not know what criteria the forum administrator uses to name the team the forum, but until the time I did not see something very serious to justify that Lauda should be removed from the staff.

If you do not lock this thread you will be to feed more discussions that end up generating hate to touch the wounds of the past.

@Quickseller

In many posts I read, always has his name, fights with @vod, @dooglus and with so many members. There comes a time in life to fight not make sense. trust me, I know very well the other side of this world. You are very smart and I read a lot your post and always tell people: People change, only sins apologize if done evil to someone and expect people to forgive you.

I think you should make peace with VOD which is also a good person.

dig and judge people because of their past ( which is what the trust system creates ), creates hatred and pain in people ... and I think that nobody likes.

Do not let the TRUST system destroy this forum. The DT trust system created ambition in many members, no matter what methods to use, this becomes a DT that's fine.

LOL @ all this stupidness. QS, grow up already and find some sort of life outside this forum, you clearly have some weird mental issues. :P

thanks and sorry, but just sayin....

Lauda has no sense of ethics. Lauda does not care if money she receives is stolen. Why should anyone trust Lauda if he is willing to keep money he knows is stolen?

The purpose was to provide legal counseling for escrow scammers. ::)

He even attempted to use you as an 'argument' since you've excluded me from your trust list.

If you can get a good laugh from reading this, it isn't a complete waste.

Again, there is zero proof that they are stolen. There is some speculative proof that they may be tied to TF (this still doesn't make them stolen). Also, it's nobody's business where the money comes from and what it gets used for (excluding law enforcement).

I exclude you from my list by accident, but have added you.
 
this is my trust list:

dooglus
vod
Lauda
Shorena
cryptodevil
mexxer-2
Lutpin
Steve_Tou
opmac

you do not do anything wrong. Just continue with your good work.

Good thing this is irrelevant in regards to moderating a forum; ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules.

This has no relevance to their moderation capabilities or their ability to fulfill a responsibility.

Referencing the bolded text, it is because no one has any clue the original source of the money sent. Almost the entire 'stolen money' argument is based off of one post by Malevolent in 2013. I do not see this as sufficient proof to accuse someone of something, especially something that can affect their reputation negatively.

I am not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, nor do I have any personal issue with Lauda.

I believe that Lauda is an extortionist, and a liar. More recently, it looks like that lauda cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking. Also, more recently, it appears that Lauda does not care about how his actions look to those on the outside:


I would have to disagree with you here. Moderators are given discretion on how they handle things, and even going beyond discretion, they have the ability to mark a report as "bad" that is not necessarily a bad report, potentially allowing something to stay that should not stay.

There is also the issue of confidentiality, there is a lot of information in the staff subforum that is suppose to remain confidential, and generally speaking the identity of who reported a particular post should remain confidential. If someone with questionable ethics has access to this information/abilities, then why should it be expected for this information to be kept confidential?

Also, regarding the BTC that Lauda received, I don't think the issue is so much that the BTC might be stolen, but is more the issue of how Lauda reacted when he determined it might be stolen. The overall impression that I got from Lauda was that he does not care if the BTC is stolen or not, and that it is none of anyone's business what he does with it.

I'll ask this question again - WHO ARE YOU TO CALL ANOTHER PERSON A LIAR?

You've lied on this forum numerous times - most notably when you said you banned when you weren't, and when you said you'd leave when you didn't.

It looks like Quickseller cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking.   :-\

Of course not.

No. After doing my own analysis, I have concluded that it is not stolen. You're correct on the secondary part: It is not anyone's business (excluding some institutions) what I do with my money, especially not the business of escrow scammers.

How I interact with people outside of the forum is also none of your concern nor has it any relevance to the forum nor moderation.

Ethics are irrelevant in this context due to the nature of how I treat the set of given rules. Additionally, I stay away from almost every decision if there's even a remote possibility that I would be influenced by subjective bias (i.e. I wouldn't be impartial). An example would be the recent thread by gorgon regarding Mitchell and me; we both ignored a report regarding it. As far as I understand it, theymos does review our work from time to time (mprep stated this somewhere IIRC).

When one calls them out on this, they claim it's ad hominem even though we are purely talking about facts. ::)

You also said you weren't an escrow scammer turned out you lied
You also said you were banned turned out you lied
You also said numerous times you were never coming back turned out you lied
You claimed to not be the OP gorgon666 turned out you lied
You claimed you are not attempting to take any kind of revenge against Lauda, turned out you lied

Is there a pattern here?


~BCX~

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

☞Lauda, does her/his job well.

I've notice most of the response in a timely manner where from this person

Thanks
Bitcseo

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

waww !!! you made my day !  ;D  yes!!
seriously man ..

https://i.imgur.com/JH7oHBH.gif

Him lying doesn't make some of his raised questions any less valid, only his motives maybe,which is besides the point.
While i agree with him on some points, in regards to Lauda, i don't. As someone nicely said above, "ethics aren't needed to follow and enforce a set of rules."

This is a waste of time, but I do have to/should defend myself?

I truly failed to understand the meaning of this post (I've even asked other people for interpretation). Care to elaborate?

He did raise several questions in addition to several attempts of manipulation (e.g. misrepresenting the story, making me seem like a liar, etc.). I've yet to see 1 issue that was factually true. I'm open to discuss any potential errors in moderation/possible improvements.

Correct. If anything, people should be surprised by the high level of impartial separation that I'm able to achieve between personal interactions (in my free time, e.g. IRL, chatroom, etc.) and my interactions on the forum. Just because I am usually not nice (I'm a realist), or I sometimes reject criticism from random people somewhere on the internet, that does not reflect the way that I handle my moderator position.

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Update:
Understood. The post does seem awkwardly written.

Don't bother. He's on my ignore list not (just) for being a notorious sig spammer, but because he somehow makes less sense than a Markov text generator.

First thanks for politeness, it seems that original poster is criticizing you and wants you do not be a moderator anymore, however I am saying the idea that members can comment about who can be a moderator and they vote for selecting moderators admin can be interesting and also dangerous since it may lead that some inappropriate members be selected.  In the second part, I say I like admins that are open to mistakes and elaborate the actions that others do.


Ohhh!! It is the worst news I have heard in my life that you considered me on your ignore list, I am not sure you realize what Markov text generator does, I saw some guys got what I said so if you think my words are similar to a random word generator then you are either a person with low IQ or you are a person with low knowledge in English.

Regardless of your "analysis", your intent was to keep the money one way or another. This is based on the fact that you explicitly said in IRC that you do not care about how your taking TF's BTC looks from the outside.

Of course it does. How you act outside the forum will reflect on your reputation here. Your reputation needs to be maintained in order for members to have faith in the moderation.

Either way, I was not referring to how you act outside the forum. I was referring to how you act when you are asked tough questions within the forum, and when your personal ethics are called into question.

Of course ethics are relevant in the decision if someone should be a moderator or not. Why should anyone trust you to abstain from handling a report that might involve you in you have questionable ethics? You already trashcanned a thread that was hostile to a friend of yours very recently, so you are not ignoring reports that you might be biased about.


I think you need to look up what ad-hominem means. This is you attacking the person delivering the message instead of the argument itself. You are saying that I am a scammer (which is libel), and therefore whatever I say should be ignored, despite the fact that my arguments are easily independently verified.

LOL

I think you're the one who needs to look it up. Argumentum ad hominem is fallacious only inasmuch as the personal attack is irrelevant to the argument in question, that is, it is a logical non sequitur. But the argument that "scammers are not to be trusted, you are a scammer, therefore you are not to be trusted" is perfectly valid logic, so if you want to refute it, you'll have to disprove the premises. ::)

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

No, and no. Take a look at his post history and you will see his obsession with me, and you will see how much of a troll he is. Feel free to put him on your ignore list.

Is this thread really still going on? Lol.

Publically, I can only provide anecdotal evidence.  Basically, you have to look at QS typical attack pattern.  He's done it now to several people on this forum.  When he gets obsessed with someone and decides to go after them, he first attacks with an alt.  He used to use his more higher rank alts "Panthers52" and "ACCTSeller", but these were outed.  So in the last few iterations (his attack threads against dooglus, for example), he uses a newbie account.  You'll see this newbie will open up a thread of accusations, usually with an outlandish tone and little discussion.  Somewhere on the first page, QS will show up with his main account and and more or less take over the thread.  He usually switches back to the newbie alt at various times in the thread in order to keep it bumped.  So, basically, this pair of Lauda attack threads by "gorgon666" fits QS MO perfectly.

Privately, some folks have noticed a certain "signature" that's in the posts of QS and all of his alts.  We haven't found any non QS accounts that have this feature.  We first noticed it when he was attacking me with ACCTSeller, Funfunnyfan, Panthers52 and Quickseller.  The thing is this, because QS still does this kinda stuff, using armies of sockpuppet accounts to try to smear someone, it's more valuable to me to keep this telltale sign a secret, since it keeps proving useful in finding his new attack alts.  If you weren't aware, Newtons1 and gorgon666 seem to be his latest attack accounts.  I'm sure he has others though.

Why are you still here?

Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to attack people that do not agree with you?
Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to commit escrow fraud? <--- Proven with evidence

Lastly,

Can you give us anything, no matter how small that supports you having ANY credibility in calling someone a scammer?


~BCX~

Lauda is even more popular because of this topic so he/she is going to stay and be moderator, i'd close/delete this topic already. BTW Lauda are you male or female?  ;D sorry if this question is not appropriate but i'm so curious.

I will take your silence as you have nothing credible or evidence backed to support your OP that Lauda should not be a mod.



~BCX~

Quickseller has been laying low recently, after his extortion attempt of DT members.  I'm sure his alts will be by to boost his position.   :-\

Is there a link?  I think I missed that one.  Can't say the report surprises me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1592679.0

Well said, sir.  I think the same thing every. fucking. time. QS fans his BS about scamming, escrow, alts, and anything to do with DT or being trusted.  There is, in my mind, zero credibility to be had on his part.  Everything he writes on those topics just reeks of hypocrisy and stinks up whatever thread it's in.

Of course QS has a beef with the concept of DT and with moderators.  His public disgrace and shaming was something to behold, and I reread it from time to time, late in the night, for entertainment.

He had no such beef when he was on the DT list and when he was jockeying to become a moderator.  Back then DT was the only way to keep scammers out of here.  O the irony.

Of course the definition of "scammer" for Quickseller is different from the one the rest of us use.  His definition is basically "someone who publically disagrees with me".  Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

Any chance you can cite any evidence proven cases of escrow scamming here on BCT?


~BCX~

Do you consider "self-escrow" to be escrow scamming?  Some people don't, including QS and all the ones who stuck up for him. 

Is this an attempt at irony?  I don't get it.  Playing dumb: you know there's a 20 page thread detailing how QS cheated people out of escrow money by fooling them into thinking he was a third party just so that he could collect the fees and not have to use an actual escrow for the deal, right?

Didn't master-p and escrow.ms get busted for escrow scamming some time ago as well?

Oh that 20 pages.

Yes it's pretty much rock solid proof

But QS says it isn't relevant to his reputation.

Thanks for pointing that out.


~BCX~

Master-P - yes.

escrow.ms AFAIK didn't scam anyone on the forum but got arrested IRL.

What difference does it make if bitcointalk staff is involved in many questionable actions. If accusations are truth, then he fits pretty well to the team.

The only question that should be asked is  "Are they doing their job correctly? "   Being a staff member isn't only limited to Virgin Mary,saints and alike.

no they arent, it is fact, black on white, especially visible in altcoin section. With that said, what is "coorect job" at all? The best is the one who fits best to this working place, which means you have to fit to the team. Just look at "unofficial rules" that officials reffer to. This is just one of X examples "how it should not be done".

If he is honest person, he probably would rethink to join such team. If not, then he really fits perfectly.

I will just leave this up here:

All times GMT
In Freenode #cryptocurrency-collectors
Here Lauda says that he will send a terrorist to Europe. This is probably a joke, but still in very bad taste, and demonstrates the maturity level of Lauda.



Here it seems that others feel similarly about Lauda's extortion attempts



Here Lauda admits that he trolls people that he thinks is vulnerable.

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This is not true.

Also not true, however both of these comments are off-topic here.

I think it's creepy when conversations are being recorded and analyzed like that. 

I agree that QS wishes DT removed.  I find that deeply disturbing.   ::)

Who is this "he" Lauda? I thought I was a she. You need to put your act together. ::)

I must apologize that you had to see that. I did not know that the 'work' that I do was evaluated based on how I interact with people outside of the 'workplace'. I need to start being nice to my mother, and very serious in everything that I say to my acquaintances. One of the comic relief attempts during a 'heavy' argument:
;D

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They don't have anything on me (even defcon23 changed their mind as can be seen in their trust rating). Acquiring my DOX is near-impossible, finding moderation error is also unlikely (as this is rare), so they have to spy on our chat-room and cherry pick parts of it. That said, I'm going to stay away from this thread (again) as my time is better spent actually moderating.

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Missed this one:
https://media.giphy.com/media/AeWoyE3ZT90YM/giphy.gif

OP was last active 3+ weeks ago :D






                                                                                                              ;D

OP is an alt of Quickseller.  He often uses and alt account to start his accusation threads.  Eventually he ends up using the Quickseller account for the attack.  I'm not sure if it's because of some "strategy" if it's just because he forgets to log in and out a lot as he's trying to sockpuppet the thread.

OFFTOPIC (at least I think discussion about he/she is offtopic)
I dont want to say anything with this post, just commenting on the argument that Lauda is "she". But before I write it, it is total offtopic to discuss about he/she as it does not change anything, accusations are not done differntly to female/male persons.

Holding on such arguments you could filter most women here by using him/her; he/she ... in their posts, by statistics most users who use it are women and the explanation seems to be that its more important for them then for males and on other side it produces more data beside drifting (like supermarkt example) out in discussion if somebody is male or female. Following this logic and what I see on bitcointalk this percentage of males who use it would be marked as collateral damage.

Back to this accusation by name, I am not sure what it should mean, Lauda is female name? Most popular person with this name (only popular that I know) is Niki Lauda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Lauda)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Niki_Lauda_Stars_and_Cars_2014_amk.jpg/420px-Niki_Lauda_Stars_and_Cars_2014_amk.jpg

He was also known as the owner of airline discounter Lauda Air (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauda_Air) which lasted until 2013.

@Lauda
Everybody makes mistakes, even you and if you believe in opposite, there is no need in finding it out by stating such, especially not if you are part of staff, people should not have reason to attack staff and your answer sounds somehow as invitation for those who have too much time and nothing better to do.

@QS: Soooo lauda is demonstrably guilty of having a cynical, black sense of humor. 

Oh the horror!

Oh the horror!!

Do not worry. I am still finding dirt on Lauda. I know some reasons why Lauda is still on staff, but I think those reasons will go away soon.

3 weeks is a long break & was worried if u girls have given up fighting by mistake. Just don't forget the password lmao....

You're mistaken.Such audacious fighters need an army of accounts for maximal damage.While one account takes attention on one thread the other account goes offline until the current account is beaten to death by facts and proved wrong contradicting all their posts.Once they realize they have nothing more to rant about,they go back to the other account and try harder on another thread they were earlier whining about.

I've read 1 page, pg 17 the last one in this thread.  I want to bash my face if it can help not seeing nonsense.

QS yep reputation even when I was brand spanking new is cautionary at best.  Seeing the cattiness is beyond words ::) Sending terrorists was an obvious joke gonna get all politically correct hypocritical Snappin bits of a chat is bullshit the entire chat leading up to the bits matters. Don't hate on the truth or those who tell it.  Newbies should see it repeated again n again. Move on with what you got left.

As for the topic, posts I've seen I got no qualms.  This thread topic is childish at best.

gonna go bash my face :( >:(

There are lots of moderators on Bitcointalk, but of course you chose to pick on Lauda, the female moderator. I'm not surprised, this place is the garden of sexism.

Oh that's funny, even if Lauda is female do you really think this subject has anything to do with that, seriously get a life.

This is about the attitude Lauda has as a moderate and while i think it can be a little harsh at times and even in bad taste we are all different and voice our options differently.

It's not a coincidence. I'll retract my statement if you can show me a similar post about a male moderator, with members of the opposite sex consistently bashing him.

I feel sorry for any females in your life, because you are too privileged to see sexism and empathize with them.

We know that you're still here, you've been trolling Lauda with your main account, Quickseller.  Why do you continue with this sockpuppet account attacks even when it just makes you look more dishonest?