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What happened::
I have paid and reserved 10 usb gridsed miners and 5  5chip gridseeds from beastlymac (3.1 btc total)
I asked for refund few days later, due to customs catch/fear
Then scammer asked me for proof of payments
then proof of address possession
then for email with payment data (he has not responded to this mail)
then ip logs that i am not hacked

then finally after 5 months of battle he said that

he will not refund me money because he already placed order at manufacturer
but he can send me for free gridseeds if i want

that is true scam. he could resolve this by

1. refunding immidiatelly
2. telling me in feb/march that refund is not possible and i can transfer order to people from waiting list

please note that
I was not a group buy list, i have not send him shipping address

TLDR

SCAMMER kept my 3.1 btc, and now is offering to give back 1 btc as refund for 10 usb miners until i will give him shipping address for useless gridseeds
and free shipping of 5 gridseeds

5 gridseed device cost now ~25$ x 5 = 125$

i have reserved/paid for 5x0.4btc = ~1100$

 
Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124875

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436031.0

Amount Scammed:
3.1 BTC

Payment Method:
payment by bitcoins

Proof of Payment:
0.1081 btc: https://blockchain.info/tx/0636e08d1feffd20da412e2f334bd8629d68ec1546336c769b76389d1b20d13f
0.9721 btc: https://blockchain.info/tx/1ce11e5591c534de2bdc6fcde007abe4365fd1abfac46164aafa95e39530265b
2.0750 btc:  https://blockchain.info/tx/fd363339f8f2923a43d44661aa7dde648904902af5fe2d71ae977197bb1cd85a

PM/Chat Logs:

http://i62.tinypic.com/3329c3m.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/35lb3n9.png

http://i61.tinypic.com/2dugv20.png

http://i58.tinypic.com/3449y01.png

http://i57.tinypic.com/20s9dog.png

Additional Notes:

EDIT: PLEASE READ THIS THREAD HERE: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768105.0





Here is my response.


As i have stated previously and multiple times in the thread. Orders that have already been submitted to the manufacturer can not be refunded.


Curiousminer's order would have shipped out with all of the other orders at the same time months ago.

The reason why i asked for account verification for the 1 chip miner refund was because i wanted to make sure that curious miner's account had not been compromised. I have offered and am still offering the refund for the 1 chip miners as the whole order was refunded by dual miner months ago and everyone else that ordered the 1 chip miners received a refund. I have asked curious miner multiple times recently for his address for the refund of the 1 chip miners. I still have curious miner 5 chip miners sitting here sealed and have been so for months waiting to be shipped out. I did not say "free" grid seeds i said i will post the miners for free since postage was never paid for. He was not put on the group buy (public) list because his postage details had not yet been received but he was listed in my private documents for both of his orders. Curiousminer could have offered the miners for sale in the thread and i would have happily offered as a middle man for the transactions and re assigned the units to a different buyer but he did not choose to do that. I have offered the 1 btc all along and it was also posted in the thread. If you have a look at the thread you will see that i refunded at the time 38 miners so it wouldn't have been an issue if he had sent me a message before the units where already being processed by the manufacturer.

The thread i reference is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436031.0

I am happy to answer questions.

Regards, Beastlymac

curiousminer, it is not unreasonable to request that you verify your identity. Do so, get your refund and move on. Simple.

I agree. My point is to not give away someone's hard earned money to a scammer/hacker.

With so many ID scammers lately, I would also insist on ID verification. It is not unreasonable.

Thank you for the recommendation I will do that now.

you have already scammed some group buy participants
look at your trust.

to KWH

it is not ID issue, it is ressolved

problem is that Beastlymac "ordered miners" using imaginary list, he havent get his shipping adress, just collected money and remain silent
after 5 months he finally decided to give back gridseeds, when they are worthless.

if beastly couldnt refund he should state that at pms to curiousminer, then curiousminer could sell/transfer them to people from waiting list.

instead he was dragging out refund till finally say this shit above.

please read additional info

Beastlymac is SCAMMER.

what kind of veryfication is needed?
he havent posted you shipping address
why he should do that and why?
you have his address confirmed by signed message

wtf is this?

btw curiousminer is my brother
now not only he is scammed but has negative trust from beastlymac

this is sad.

K, this is a rather confusing case... Can you clarify a few things without people having to dig through previous threads?

When was initial payment made?
When was refund requested?
When did groupbuy close?

sure
payment was made 5.02.2014
refund request was submited 10.02.201
group buy close was at early march 2014
curiousminer was not on the list of group buy participants

beastly was dragging out refund within 5 months finding excuses

now we are at 27.07.2014
and beastymac offer is to ship useless gridseeds instead of refund.

he blackmailed curiousminer to or accept 1 btc and give shipping address or nothing.
finally he left negetive trust at him and refund nothing asking of photo of him also with scan of id card with bitcointalk nick in background.

why he need this? to sell his id to scammers?


please check beastlymac  untrusted ratings
there are more people scammed same way

beastly is still organising group buy trades, he should be marked as Scammer.

So an important date is still missing.

A refund was requested 5 days after payment. We got that established. When did the group buy end?

EDIT - I see group buy ended early march?

Also, it seems  orders were sent to manufacturer in waves... when was OP's order sent to the manufacturer?

yes early march

but goods to other pariticipants were shipped very late

he just kept curiousminer money and is trying to scam him due to his newbie account/no experience with dealing with scammers

k, let's just stick with the facts... I understand the reason to be angry, but I'm trying to get a clearer picture of what happened. Not that your opinion would influence me either way... it's just tactful to leave it out is all.

So, when was the order sent off to the manufacturer?

Yes. Confirm ID with same address as payment was sent with if possible.
I am also curious why you weren't on the posted list, rather via PM and why is it you didn't give a shipping address as is claimed?

i will answer in the name of my brother
now he is travelling and cant post here

payment was sent by btc, btc address is confirmed, no shipping address was sent,
so how he can confirm his id if he has not any details about him? name address etc...
this way he could send any id and how beastly can decide if he is curiousminer or not?


he was not on the list becouse beastlymac just missd his pm but kept his money.
he had not pm his shipping address and name becouse ha wanted to reserve items. he changed his plans and wanted to withdraw reservation.

but beastlymac started this tales, lasting 5 months.

about batches.
miners were ordered by batches and there many people waiting for devices at reserve list.

if i were beastly i would immidiatelly refund him 10.02.2014 knowing that there a big customer base for his devices.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

SO WHAT???

he now is telling that curiousminer could forward his order/transfer
how he could do that if beastly was promising refund asking only for address signing?
and then for email?
and then for ip logs?
and finally he said that he will ship miners after 5 months?

that is sad that there are scammers like him at this forum.

So it looks like he wasn't on the posted list because he never sent his shipping address? "He was not put on the group buy (public) list because his postage details had not yet been received but he was listed in my private documents for both of his orders." -Beastlymac

I've never participated in group buys so I don't know the process/how it's done. But could it be the shipping address wasn't sent because OP was under the impression that he'd be getting a refund (requested days after the order was placed)? IDK... I'm confused on how this went down.

@ Beastlymac -

You stated that "Curiousminer could have offered the miners for sale in the thread and i would have happily offered as a middle man for the transactions and re assigned the units to a different buyer but he did not choose to do that."

Did he know that was an option? Or was he under the pretense he was getting a refund? I don't know the whole story here, but I'm asking because if I requested a refund and my name wasn't listed on the public reserve list after my refund request... I'd think my refund was in the works.

story of beastlymac scam is easy.
he forgot/(maybe intentionally)
to put him at the list, he kept his money

he said also that anyone was not at the list will be refunded.

finally he decided to scam him thinking that he is nobody.
pathetic.

that is a problem
he sent many questions about transactions and address signing, email request, ip logs
he never mention about no refunds.
my brother thought that after verification he will be refunded.

instead beastly decided to send him gridseeds instead of btc, after 5 months so they are worthless.

sad.

Where's the link?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436031.msg5007033#msg5007033

and in many other posts.

"He was not put on the group buy (public) list because his postage details had not yet been received but he was listed in my private documents for both of his orders." -Beastlymac

why you were asking about what he has ordered if he was on your list?

another lie.

that is pathetic.

Posting comment: "If you are not on the list it means your order didn't make it into this batch. Please sign a message with the sending address of that tx and I will refund you." -Beastlymac

So it seems like it's safe to assume OP may have been under the impression his order wasn't going to be placed. Interesting.  

Chill out with the name calling... it's quite possible a few things were overlooked, but it doesn't help this case. If you want people to look at this objectively, allow them to do it - facts only - without bias. Let us form our own opinion. The less bias you add, the more readers can focus on the facts, makes sense?

interesting is that maybe beastly is not scammer maybe he is honest.

but why curiousminer has to pay 3.1 for beastly errors?

for me such private lists without shipping address and customer status are not acceptable.

please beastly consume that loss you did and dont transfer it to others like you usually do

hint, your untrusted feedback left.

you have scammed/transferred loses to other members of community about 15 btc or more
just read your red feedback

and please clean curiousminer profile form your false trust rating, that is just insane what you have did to him.

sorry for my bias but i am pissed that he also left false feedback and ruined trust rating.

REPOST:


Beastlymac, OP requested a refund days after reservation and his name wasn't on the public ledger. Given that you requested confirmation that the sending address belonged him, coupled with the fact that you never stated he wasn't entitled to a refund... how could he have reasonably believed that his order wouldn't be refunded, or was already placed with the manufacturer for that matter? I guess I'm confused because I don't know why you'd be asking for him to confirm his identity <for a refund, correct> if the order was already placed ie, no refund anyways.

Can you please elaborate?

An an error might very well be the case here, but we don't know. If there was an error, you're right - OP shouldn't have to pay for it. But let's not let the facts get convoluted in all the ranting.

beastlymac, ANY COMMENT ON THIS?

Sorry I just woke up. I stated at the time a refund was asked for the 10th that the order had already been submitted to the manfufacturer by my recollection it was submitted on the 8th. People where posting in the thread asking if orders could be exchanged between other people I said that this was ok. I already explained the reason for verification and also the reason why the 5 chip miners could not be refunded. I also explained the reason why he was not listed. I have offered and continue to offer the refund for the single chip miners but curious miner has refused to give me a refund address for that I don't know why? I have also explained that his miners are sitting here still boxed and have been for months waiting for him to confirm his postage details at any time in the previous months. It was stated multiple times that once an order has been submitted to the manfacturer it can not be refunded. I would ask people reading over this to look at facts and not what the user bbxx is stating. As you can see his information is not backed by any factual information and is only backed by bias here say.

People asking why his order was valid if his shipping details and postage where not paid. Other people ordered in a similar fashion. Paying for the order and either waiting for it to be ready for shipping or organising the postage cost and shipping details at a later date and sending them through. It is for that reason that if miners where paid in full that they where ordered and included in the batches.

Biased aside - that I don't have to be reminded of. So it's not showing in your response that no refunds would be granted... Instead, you asked for transaction ID. Am I missing something here? Also, forgive me for not being biased here... But you saying by your recollection the order was placed two days before he made his refund request... Just as I asked him, where's the link? In a situation like this, no one's word can just be taken. Otherwise we would be bias, right?

The only facts we'd be able to see here those that are provided to substantiate a claim. The point of the matter is... OP's name was not listed as being on the reserved list. The communication he posted makes it look as if you were going to grant his refund - again, there was no mention of no refund allowed in those initial posts. Am I missing something?

The rule of not refund possible after order had been submitted to the manufacturer was listed in the main thread post. The offer of a refund that still stands was for the single chip miners. I have asked for his refund address for the single chip miners yet I have not been given it. Curiousminer please pm at to me. I will go through all my records for when orders where made tonight and list all of the information as I am not currently at home.

Regards, Beastlymac.

Edit: to start with it seems that I have got the date when the order was submitted wrong. It was the 7th not the 8th. The order total was for the wave that curious miner was included in of 120 units.

Tx id's are:

https://blockchain.info/tx/f8ec7b5ea8a2c18555ce14c43be78aae3d668e7fbfc13dedabbb77765a7e3445
https://blockchain.info/tx/6487e1af0343b2d6fb1a3f12cfa5d7cb9b3542533742c977a64e70f2cedb9705
https://blockchain.info/tx/e4a2bfb768c7a4b3546e7f851f66d243f30869e97689dbcc4542c904c134df9b

Confirmed ordered by The manufacturer at 7th Feb 2014 3:43pm

Ok thanks. I think by knowing the actual date this was submitted will help to clear up some confusion.

Updated my post above. I got it wrong by a day it was the 7th that the order was submitted to the manufacturer.

Also a picture.

https://i.imgur.com/GlAl7HS.jpg

K, now we're getting somewhere. Naturally we'd want to know... How do we know OP's order was included in this? Also, it seems the back and forth went on for months before you first told him he wasn't getting a refund. Yes, I know it's listed in your original post... But if OP's name wasn't on the public list, why would he think 1) they'd be need to sell his reservation, 2) that his order was submitted to the manufacturer, and 3) you'd be asking for confirmation unless it was for a refund?

Forgive me... But I'm still confused here. From what's posted, you never advised OP that he wasn't getting a refund. If anything, it looks like you led him on. Of course I'm probably missing some key piece of information... Can you help me understand?

I understand where his confusion may be for his miss understanding about the refund offered. I offered it for the single chip devices and it is still offered for them. The order on the 7th was for all miners ordered up to that date including curiousminer's order. His name was not included on the list because he did not include his postage details in his pm with the tx id's as was required "Please provide me with your TX id and shipping details (postage address and the postage method you paid for) via PM once you have ordered." Thus allowing the public listing to only include orders that where ready for shipping. I have always stated that the 1 chip devices can and still can be refunded but the 5 chip devices can not. I think the confusion is that he ordered two different models of device one was the single chip USB miner that can be refunded whilst the other model (the 5 chip) can not be refunded and is waiting for shipment. I asked for confirmation of account ownership for the single chip devices. This was also asked of every single other person who was given a refund for the single chip miners. The thread was updated to tell members during the period that the order had been submitted to the manufacture in the hope of speeding up the shipping process. People offered in the thread that they I would like to buy orders or reservations and people asked via pm and I stated that it was ok and I would act as a medium for the deal people make direct/escrowed payment and I change the postage details.

Edit:


bbxx what do you mean by "false" feedback?

I've done a very vast amount of bitcoin related projects with beastlymac as far back as blue fury USB devices. Everything I've seen this guy do was 100% legit and always done honestly. As both a group buy organizer and wholesaler.

Ok, so this makes sense, thanks for explaining.

OP, were you confused about the order?

I was sure that i will be refunded/transferred.
I asked for refund and in response i got only ask for authorisation, ip logs that i am not scammer.  He havent said i will not get refund so i was not thinking about transferring my order.

He was dragging whole case till miners reserved i have asked to withdraw turned to be wothless.

he is lying that he suggested me to transfer my order. Only what he wanted is to confirm that i have paid to him.

About private secret list, this is crazy, he put me on that list at 5.02.2014 without my shipping address without goods list i have ordered (he asked what i have ordered after my refund request).

Dear Bitcointalk Community please help me ressolve this. Beastlymac has proven at his untrusted feedback that he scammed already people for 12 btc, i dont want to add 3.1 btc to this sum.

Beastly please refund me first 1 btc you promised and dont blackmail me to provide shipping address to ship useless gridseeds.

Then after community opinions refund me rest.

Be a man and pay for your own errors (messing with groupbuy lists, not answering pms etc)

beasty do remove your trust feedback, i have not scammed you.

please note everybody: i am on travel now (cycling from poland to romania) and cant follow conversation. thanx you all for help and involvement in that case as im not very expired in btc community, (especially thx to my bro). i hope i will be refunded at least (as i need that cash for biking).

peace.

I explained why you where listed on the private list I have a private list that is kept up to date because it is used in the process of posting and checking orders. It combines order with details on the order tracking details for the package/s and any other notes for the order. You didn't "reserve" the miners the act of reservation in the groupbuy did not require any payment your ordered the miners and paid for them. I didn't say that I told you to transfer your order I said it was an option that was offered in the thread by potential buyers I find it interesting you only cite my apparent "scams" (notice they all recieved miners) and not my other successful trades. I along with a partner organised the BlueFury miners that got order over the value of 600btc if I wanted to scam someone and I would like to make it very clear I don't scam! I would have taken the 600btc and not the 1 that belongs to you. I sent you information regarding your 1btc refund based on the recommendation for KWH.

Regards, Beastlymac

beastlymac so you want from him
photo with him and his id and bitcoin address to perform refund of 1 btc?
wtf?
you want to sell his id data?
why you need this?
signing message from address he paid is not enough for you?

you want to compare his photo and id with what? to make refund.

explain this.

also explain why you are performing such erreus way group buy.

i made some group buys.

allways i have excel sheet with
name nick payment status payment address shimpment address dates and customer status
i read all pms and modifing sheet.

in such way no one is scammed.

curiousminer send you 3.1 btc with descritpion
you should put

5.02 curiousminer, his addres, 3.1 btc, reseved/paid

then at 10.02 he send you pm to refund

you should change his status to refund request
and send him info that he can transfer his order to anyone else becouse goods are ordered.

he send you next pm at 17.02 to ask what about his refund
you answered that you need his address signed

he sent  you all you needed

then you have asked to send email to you

you havent answered this email till now.

how would he imagine that goods are waiting for him at your place (hint another your lie) if you were asking what he has ordered?

why your list was private and he could not see his status? becouse he havent send you shipping address?
wtf. he send you message that he dont want miners so his shipping address doesnt matter.

please quote my response and answer my questions.

This was recommended by KWH in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8049273#msg8049273
I didn't really think that something like that was required but KWH makes a good point saying that it is the best way to confirm that the account has not been compromised.





This is actually similar to the way i set my private documentation out. Except that the fact that his order had already been submitted to the manufacturer and for that reason could not be process for refund.

How many btc have you handled in group buys?

1.why you havent refunded him 1 btc at feb?
2.why you havent told you that his miners are ready to ship at feb?
3.why you were dragging out this case within 5 months?
4.why you havent transferred his miners to people from reserve list knowing what he want refund and refund him at feb?
5.why you destroyed his account posting feedback?
6.why you are holding 1 btc refund wanting his photo and id if you dont know even his name and address?
7.when you will refund him wole sum and compensate others for delay?

please answer one after one

Have your brother confirm his ID through a message from the payment address, get your refund/hardware. Is it really this hard to do?

he has confirmed his address twice sending encrypted message. it is not a problem of confirming that he is not hacked, it is problem of beastlymac who messed up his groupbuy and want to pay for his errors to group buy participants.

his photo and id is not needed becouse beastly cant compare his data with other data he has becouse he doesnt have any due to curiusminer instead shipping address sent refund request

This may actually be a communication failure, breakdown - question is, on which side.. I'm still not clear why OP wasn't told from the beginning that he couldn't get a refund. Beastlymac, you stated OP might've gotten confused because he made a couple of orders... But is it possible that perhaps you got those orders mixed up? It happens, no worries. Its just suspect that for months OP was led to believe he was getting a refund. That's the part that's not sitting right with me.

it is beastlymac communicaction  failure,
curiousminer asked for refund few times and beastly has never mentioned about no refund, instead he asked for proof of address possession and thousands of other excuses within 5 months.

when finally he confirmed his id and fact that curiousminer is not hacked he started new story, no refunds.

he lied that he has his miners sealed, becouse he doesnt know what curiousminer ordered (see screenshoots and addidional info)

please read this

and see this

http://i57.tinypic.com/20s9dog.png

is there third super private list only at your brain?

Beastly answer my 7 questions!!!

1.why you havent refunded him 1 btc at feb?
2.why you havent told you that his miners are ready to ship at feb?
3.why you were dragging out this case within 5 months?
4.why you havent transferred his miners to people from reserve list knowing what he want refund and refund him at feb?
5.why you destroyed his account posting feedback?
6.why you are holding 1 btc refund wanting his photo and id if you dont know even his name and address?
7.when you will refund him wole sum and compensate others for delay?

Hopefully this could be resolved soon. Everyone should keep calm and think. Both take one step back is good for each other.
Happy customer happy business.

I agree. Being angry is okay... but the last thing you want your anger to do is distract from resolution attempts.

You keep making the same accusations without any proof. Your brothers miners are sitting here and have been sitting here for months. You also keep repeating the same questions over and over.

1) he took a long period of time (months) to confirm account ownership.
2) they where ordered in Feb
3) that is because it has become impossible to resolve. I try to fix things and get abuse and fabricated accusations back from you.
4) He didn't ask for it
5) My feedback post is "Attempting to slander me." That is true
6) that was a method of account confirmation recommended by KWH (I already said this)
7) I already answered this also. He agreed to the terms when he made his order.

In regards to this comment "is there third super private list only at your brain?"
No I only have one private document/list.

The reason I asked at the time was because I was not at home and thus could not check my documents meaning all I could look at was the public list. It became apparent why he was not listed public ally when I looked at my own documentation he failed to complete his information.


I think that his confusion lies in me saying that he was able to get a refund for the single chip order. He is still able to get a refund for the single chip devices.



It seems I may have confused your use of the term ID.
I agree that this should suffice. Curiousminer please send me a signed message from your sending address with the current date in the message and the address you would like the 1btc sent back to.

If he sends a message with the same address he paid from, I believe that would suffice. You can't be too careful these days, so many ID scammers lately.

Beastlymac you have ruined my almost hero member bitcointalk account.

why?

Did i scammed you?

or it is another trick to lead this topic away from your case?

how many people you have cheated?

have you get any compensation from manufacturer wchich delayed gridseeds wihin 3 months?

have you paid any part of compensation to group buy participants?

how many people got accounts ruined instead?

there are some at your profile untrusted feedback, are you going to ressolve their cases?


i am in contact with manufacturers and experienced trusted people from this forum, you will not go away with that.

please be fair and answer once again my questions.

thanks.

The basics.

Order paid for by curiousminer on the 5th of February.

Order paid to manufacturer and confirmed on the 7th of February (verified with proof)

Order for the 1 chip miners can be refunded upon the completed confirmation requested in post #51

Message will only be accepted from Curiousminer NOT bbxx

Curiousminer order is still boxed and is awaiting shipment details

Curiousminer order details are in the private listing because his order was not completed and still requires postage details.
The messages quoted about the details not being listed publicly is because I was not at home and unable to check my documentation and only able to look through the public list. It was made apparent upon my checking of the private list that the reason he was not listed publicly was because of incomplete information.

I have provided all truthful information whilst bbxx has fabricated false accusations such as the one that I proved wrong with factual evidence that curiousminer's order was submitted to the manufacturer on the 7th bbxx attempted to claim this was un true based on no factual evidence.

It is apparent through the false accusations that bbxx has made and is still making that he either does not understand the situation or he is attempting to provide fabricated lies in the hope of convincing the bitcoin community that I am in the wrong and that I have apparently scammed multiple people? This is another fabricated lie. Every person who ordered in the gridseed groupbuy except curiousminer either received miners or a refund.

Refunds for the groupbuy that where sent out total above 40BTC showing that I happily refunded people who where eligible at the time.

Bbxx attempts to discredit me stating that I have "lied" are not backed up with any actual evidence he has repeatedly falsely accused me of not having curiousminer's devices ready for shipping I will post a photo as proof that they are when I get home. He has continuously made this accusation based off no actual proof and is that here say. I have answered all questions truthfully and will continue to do so. Bbxx continues to asked the same questions multiple times ignoring what has already been posted.

I have been open in attempts to resolve this issue

So I ask. Bbxx with your continued accusations please provide evidence to prove them.

As i was sure you are redirecting discussion away from scamming curiousminer.

Please answer my questions


1. how many people you have cheated?
2. have you get any compensation from manufacturer wchich delayed gridseeds wihin 3 months?
3. have you paid any part of compensation to group buy participants?
4. how many people got accounts ruined instead? (i know that is 3 or more)
5. there are some at your profile untrusted feedback, are you going to ressolve their cases?
6. i havent had any trade with you, why you put at my profile untrusted feedback (riskied amount 3.1BTC) ?


about compensation question:

Quote from: Lathanium on 30-04-2014, 05:02:09
You really think that we are going to get compensation?  He probably took a hit having to re-order from 2 other sources for us.  Hes done with this group buy as he already tried to close the thread.

Do I think we are going to get compensation? Probably not.

Did he promise it? Yes:

Quote from: Beastlymac on 24-03-2014, 02:48:47
For the orders that are locked in for shipping they will ship out this week and buyers will be given compensation.

one of group buy participants who is scammed


Quote from: Beastlymac on 13-03-2014, 02:06:18
Messages responded to. Refunds sent also.
I will be refunding more later. For people who had to fix some issues please send them through when you can and i will get your order refunded when i get back online.

Mr. Jinx:
Hello Beastlymac, are you back online?
I've just pm'ed you (again) with all the information you will possibly need.
I'm really waiting for the refund!


03-05-2014, 18:46:50   
 Mr. Jinx #762
Received my incomplete order today.
Just 10 gridseeds with some cables.
Controller, power supply and usb hub missing.
Great Angry


He was marked as untrusted by beastlymac, becouse he was waiting 90+ days for ordered miners.

1) 0
2) did I receive compensation? No
3) If I receive compensation it will be paid out.
4) Account ruined? How so?
5) Everyone received units. Delays did occur and I did my best to speed up the order even using my own funds to speed up the delivery and delays
6) You have decided to make yourself part of the trade by associating with your brother and saying that everything related to the deal should be done through you. I don't think that you should be associated with the deal so I updated my feedback but it is still true.

I did my best to get the manufacturer to ship out as quickly as he could. If you would like to reference my positive feedback also for the same groupbuy?

Compensation for the second wave of orders (that I was able to control) was given via extra peripherals cables that where required for starting up the device that where not originally included by the manufacturer. This was done to speed up the process and allow people to get mining ASAP. This personally cost me a little over $1500 out of my own pocket including the extra payments required to speed up getting the miners.



For the single chips




Then you can also look at the blue fury devices. Although they where also late because of manufacturing issues we shipped out 600btc worth of them and also provided icefury units as compensation for damaged devices.

Beastlymac,

please answer, did you get refund from manufacturer?

have you refunded btc to people submited refund request after 7.02.2014?

thanks

For orders that had not yet been fulfilled so that does not include your brothers order that had already been shipped at the period of time that this happened as he was in the first wave. Yes for orders that had not yet been shipped the manufacturer offered a refund. Some people accepted it and they where given a refund. It was already stated in the thread. Your brother's order had already been fulfilled at that point in time. So going back to the thread. An order that has been submitted to the manufacturer and is being processed or it fulfilled can not be refunded. People who had orders refunded had not been fulfilled and the manufacturer offered a refund for their orders and I passed it on. I assume that makes me a scammer for refunding people who where eligible and not for your brother who's order was already fulfilled?

Meaning refunds where offered for people who had not already had orders fulfilled eg the manufacturer hadn't shipped their miners directly to them or to me. Allowing them the option of getting their money back after a large period of issues.

Meaning the whole refund situation that happened does not apply to your brother.

please tell first where i had fabricaded anything


only i said that group buy was closed at early march.

where i claimed that order was not submitted at 7th of feb?

about photo and id, you said you want it becouse somebody suggested it to you?
he already said that signing message is enough,
refund this 1 btc to his address and we will sort the rest.

thanks

Any comment at this?

You have confirmed that curiousminer is at your records and refund is not possible.

if i will get proof that he was not at your records  will you refund him?

I have already answered all of that. You claimed that your brothers order was submitted after he asked for a refund. I proved that to be a lie. I also already answered about the verification please read through my responses that already answer all of these questions. So you accept the fact that curiousminer asked for a refund after his order had been submitted for manufacturing?


If you can prove that he is not on my private records as of this date by providing real factual evidence then I will.

bbxx, I think this is sound advice and you should heed to it. From what I can tell, this it was just a misunderstanding, possible due to the different orders, possibly due a communication barrier? Beastlymac seems pretty reasonable... perhaps you guys can work out something to restore your trust level. I can't think of any reason why the feedback you received is unwarranted, but hopefully you guys can come to some type of agreement.

Beastlymac - I absolutely applaud you for handling this accusation with tact. All questions answered and thoroughly. But for whatever its worth, if I had a dispute with a member, I'd like for it to be handled like this - professionally.

here you are
look at he bottom of the screen
you have stated that he is not at your records 3 weeks ago
please refund and clear feedback as you have promised above

thanks

http://i57.tinypic.com/20s9dog.png

Thank you for your response and help in the attempts to resolve this.


This was already answered and it doesn't prove anything about my private record only the public one and the reason your brother was not listed on them has also been explained. To prove I am not telling the truth you would need to obtain the private file.

Here.

you said that you have not him at your record.
how he could think that he is on your private record?

this time you were at home? or again you were not and checked only public one?
this tale cannot be used twice.

please pay for your errors, be a man.

You have not proved anything that he is not on my private list because it is impossible for you to do so. If I where to pay for it it would not be because of my errors it would be an error on your brothers part and an attempt to extort money out of me. You keep attempting to discredit me without any actual proof. I apologies that the time difference means that when I receive messages from you and your brother occurs when I am not at home. I do not spend all my day at home. It is not a tale it is the truth. Everyone that ordered was listed privately and completed ready for shipping orders where listed publicly. It is your brothers fault that he was not listed publicly.

bbxx - just a few posts ago it seemed you were ready to close this issue with the refund of the 1BTC and receiving the devices (your brother actually) already paid for. By this post alone I want to say that english isn't your first language... therefore it's possible that this is a result of a communication breakdown. It's unfortunate that your brother lost out, but that happens a lot in this scene - heck, I waited 4 months to get 10 GPUs because of demand.

The only suggestion I have to you now is just to accept the refund of 1BTC and the devices already paid for. Beastlymac has answered all of your questions, my questions and any others posted here thoroughly.

what error he did?
he asked for refund only, multiple times.
you were answering that he has not ordered anything from you.

finally asked for help from me.
you found your hidden record with his order and you want to ship it after 5 months of battle.

is it fair?

no. i was not close to close this case with 66% loss due to errors at beastly side.
please read pm conversation from screenshoots.
beastly was denying that curiousminer ordered anything from him.
finally he found secret list and result is as you see.

Bbxx I have tried my hardest to resolve this issue with you and you have not been forthcoming all you have done is accuse me of false accusations such a the one stating that I do not have his order (a lie) that he had asked for a refund before his order was submitted (another lie). I have been truthful and honest through this whole situation. I now ask another time please have your brother provide his postage details and refund details as per the request made in this thread via pm to me so that this ordeal can end. I was not denying that he ordered from me I was just asking why he was not on the public list. I was able to go through my records and find the reason. It was because of an error or purposeful decision to withhold information regarding his order. Everyone has read your "proof" they have also read the information that I have provided showing that your brother's refund request was after his order had been submitted to the manufacturer and thus he is unable to be granted a refund. It is stated in the thread and those where the terms he agreed to upon his purchase of the devices through my groupbuy. That has been the way I did the gridseed, U1 and other groupbuys. For that reason I am sorry but I have to deny the refund for the 5 chip devices. I would request the details that I require for completion of this issue be submitted to me promptly so that this can be solved.

Regards, Beastlymac

And this ladies and gentlemen is why the trust rating is a bucket of shit, there goes a Senior account, bye bye.

Lol

gimme some time to catch up on whats happened, BACK TO PAGE ONE!

TL;DR

From OP though, i did see that BeastlyMac was at fault, but please do note that all i read was the OP

Yes you will need to read through all the posts time consuming I know but it will give you the best understanding on what has actually happened. Also the feedback I left is nothing but the truth.

Please, if it's not too much, can you just sum it all up for me? I am very tired ATM but also very interested. Did this dispute ever get resolved? Is the OP an Alt of BBXX?

A small sum up can be found quoted below. I never considered the possibility of being an alt account but they are apparently related. The writing style is similar. It is still trying to be resolved the dispute is with curiousminer but bbxx has been the one mostly involved in this thread on his behalf. It is not currently resolved I am awaiting a response from curiousminer.

Well i gues you can't beat factual evidence or 40BTC Refunds, i guess you are the one being wrongly accused. Neg repping both of them, one day when im in trust circle it will have a better effect xD

Thank you for taking your time to read through and understand what has happened.

Edit:

Since bbxx will probably ask me to prove the 40+btc amount.

It is made up of 300 single chip miners with a minimum cost of 0.105BTC making the refunds of the single chip devices 31.5BTC keep in mind that doesn't include postage refunded and would be more as that is based only off the price people would get if ordering above 20 devices. Deduct your brother's ones that would cost a total of 1.08BTC would make it 30.42

Then 38 of the 5 chip devices where refunded to eligible people. The 5 chip devices had a minimum cost of 0.405BTC each making it 15.39BTC

Coming to a total refunded of 45.81BTC and keep in mind that doesn't include the postage fee's that where also refunded.

my brother was attempting to get money back.
within 5 months Beastlymac neither send btc back neither ship miners
my brother aksed me to help.
i have presented whole case here, only facts.

the fact is beastly was denying that he curiousminer has order anything.
finally beastly asked to send email to him, wcich he never responded.
please check screenshoots.

after long battle instead refunding money he found another excuse, secret list of orders, on wchich there is only curiousminer with no shipping address.

he never informed cruiousminer that his miners are ready to ship, istead he was asking about adres signining etc.

he stated at group buy that miners will be shipped 13 feb
the group buy turned to be a failure, some people got no miners until may,
he closed thread to finish case but others asked admins to reopen it.

some of people got trust ruined, not only me my brother but other ones, look at beastlymac feedback.

i had perfect hero member account marked as scammer now becouse beastly thinks that i have scammed him (riskied sum 3.1btc)

in fact i only was helping my brother to get his money back.

that is very sad. and unfair.

Please re read the feedback that i have left you. All of your apparent "facts" have been debunked yet you keep claiming them to be true. The feedback that i and others left on your account and your brothers account is my opinion and is the truth. The risked btc amount was updated and represents 0 not 3.1. You have actually represented mostly here say based of little knowledge. You seem to state that he should get a refund i ask that you again read through the rules of the group buy and look at the payment date that alone invalidates this whole claim. Your account says "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" no where did i say you scammed me. I said "Spamming threads with slanderous lies" and that is true.

can you qoute my slanderous lie?

i posted facts that you were denying that curiousminer ordered anything.

where is my lie?

Ok.

Claiming that i don't have a private list.

This was proved to be true. You claimed it wasn't. A lie.

Sent via PM

That was proven false

Sent via PM

That was again proven to be a lie fabricated to mislead people.

So those are the lies i was able to compile in 10 minutes.

They where made in an attempt to discredit my account and past business relations and are thus slanderous the spamming related to you posting them off topic in other threads (for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707786.0) including one of my sales threads. That post has since been deleted.

have i spammed your threads with this qoutes?
you just getting them from private correspondence between you and me?

my only "lie" is fact that i have qouted your answers to curiousminer that he have not ordered anything
, answers based on your records.

but you have double records, one public one private.

so where is my fabricated lie?

All quotes are made by you either in this thread or via pm. Denying it just proves you are untrustworthy. The first quote is from post #16 in this thread.
The second quote is from post #48 in this thread. The third quote is from a pm dated July 22, 2014, 09:40:21 AM. The fourth quote is from a pm dated July 22, 2014, 10:46:07 AM. Those are all slanderous accusations that are not true.

It is also interesting you didn't quote the part that links to you spamming another thread. Why?

all my lies are related to your secret private list

you said to curiousminer that he have not ordered anything.

i said that you have not ordered goods for him becouse you were denying that he is on your records.

so where i lied?

tell me. i dont understand this.

That is a perfect example.

here is perfect example of your scam

http://i57.tinypic.com/20s9dog.png

Also just to prove his order is sitting here:

https://i.imgur.com/vP92jMF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lJHqvSQ.jpg

Interestingly you keep repeating the same accusation with the same debunked evidence.

I will again quote the reason this picture makes no difference

so all your statements send by pm to curiousminer are false becouse you were not at home?
???

twice?
at april and july?

i dont care about those photos of miners. you have been denying that he ordered anything.
this is a fact.

please remove trust feedback from my profile.

your accusations of me lying are based on some imaginary secret list wchich you dont check answering to people requests, becouse you are not at home.

Please answer these facts

The facts are:
He ordered and whilst doing so accepted the rules
His order was submitted to the manufacturer on the 7th making his order valid
His order of 5 chip devices is sitting here waiting to ship.

if you answering tell that you are not sure becouse you are at travel. you didnt. twice. how curiousminer could know about you travelling?

1 yes
2 yes

3 if yes, so why instead of asking for adres signature you have not asked about shipping address, order transfer etc?

you havent helped him
he asked you multiple times to get refund, you were ignoring his pms emails, denying that he has order anything.

why you behaved like that?


regarding feedback,
so you will not remove false feedback due to fact that you are traveling? wtf?
can you explain that closer?

3 is also yes. And since they are all yes that means you don't have any reason for this accusation.
I didn't deny he had ordered anything i was wondering why he was not publicly listed again we have found the reason for that.

The feedback is off topic to this thread. But my answer is no. My feedback has nothing to do with me being away from home it has to do with your lies and false accusations and attempts to discredit my name in this thread and in others.

ok so you have destroyed my bitcointalk account becouse i accused you of lying ?

accusation was becouse you have said twice to curiousminer that he has not order anything from you (he was not at your records)

so my lies are consequence of your responses to him wchich turned out to be false
(due to your travelling, not taking group buy secret private list with you)

your statement about traveling was after i submited "lie"

so how it can be lie if i had no full information? should i have crystall ball ?

please remove your trust rating from my profile, becouse my lies were based of false information you have provided.

thanks.

Again off topic. You lied through PM and public posting's. You made accusations that where not backed by any factual evidence. That i deem to be slanderous to my profile. You then went and posted them outside of this thread spamming my apparent "scam". I will not remove the feedback. In future if you don't have full information against someone don't make accusations.

i got full information you have provided.
you have twice informed curiousminer that he has not ordered anything.
screen from pm inbox/outbox is factual evidence.

please tell me where i am wrong ?

It has already been stated.


That is also not the only accusation you made you also said


I posted two images as proof.


You claimed his items had not been submitted for processing by the manufacturer when in fact they had.


This one you state that his order was submitted to the manufacturer after he asked for a refund this turned out to be a lie.



I have updated your feedback. It will not be removed.

So all comes to one thing that my lies are related to one fact.
Fact that you responded to curiousminer that he is not at your records/didnt ordered anything

so it is one lie

lie based on false information you have provided.

then you told me that those false information were related to fact that you were not at home.

it was after i "lied" so my "lie" is result of your false information

which was corrected after

so my "lie" is consequence of your erorreus communication.

so should i be responsible for your errors?

why you are punishing me for your errors?

is it fair ?

My feedback is based on multiple false accusations not just one. You have only talked about one not the other three that i quoted above they where all lies based of no factual evidence. Your error was making up multiple false claims. Again i am available via Skype at beastlymac. This is off topic and i won't answer it in this thread. Although i will happily answer it via Skype.

All three are related to fact you have sent curiousminer pms with false information (regarding he is not at your records)

"lying that you have ordered goods"
"he lied that he has his miners sealed"
"he has not ordered items for curiousminer"

those pms are below, as factual evidence

http://i57.tinypic.com/20s9dog.png

I will not going to speak with you by skype.

It is actually true that he is not on the public list. That was already explained. You don't seem to want to address the other points of fallacy in your argument?

how transparent is your secret private list coming out of the hat when needed?
how wothy are your records if kept in secret and not used when needed? (hint to answer pms)

you said that he was not at public list, but private record.

so i quoted you your false pms related to your records.

my "lies" are based at your erroreus and totaly unacceptable false customer support.

if you were honest, and full of respect to your customers, curiousminer would be refunded or his order would be transferred to someone else, there were many chances to transfer his order, but you have choosed to not reply to pm, or reply with false information and not reply to emails you wanted to be sent to you.

any comment on that?

unfortunatelly you and your trust network power are ruining any chances to getting out of this mess.

you create losses due to your incompetence and you are ruining people accounts becouse you are at second level default trust.

They are not false pm's they are pm's that relate to the public list this exact thing has been stated a number of times now you keep continuously bringing it up even though you know it has no meaning now. I am honest and respect my customers how would i have got such positive feedback if i did not? i just do not respect people who attempt to extort money out of me through the use of false claims. His will not be refunded as his order has already been processed. On this forum you move up in the trust network by making trades and getting feedback from multiple people it doesn't just happen overnight me being in the second tier is a testament to all the positive trades i have done and shows that i am trusted. I do not just go around transferring orders it has to be requested by the buyer. So you deem my feedback to be untrue? You don't think that you have attempted to slander me?

Note this was all answered before you have just continued to re ask the same questions over and over and over.

Edit: My latest positive feedback rating today (2014-07-29) just goes to prove that i am a legitimate seller and provide an ongoing service.

So where is this at? I got lost in the circle of Q&A. Beastlymac , how do you proceed to get this matter resolved?

Sorry what are you referencing? If it is about the pm the answer to it was given in the quote below. How i will proceed is. I have asked curious miner to provide his refund details for the single chip miner refund totalling ~1.082. I have also offered to post the 5 chip devices free of charge upon receipt of postage details another offer i am happy to make is that i will auction off the 5 chip miners here on the forum and post they devices to the winner all funds received for the devices will be forward to curious miner. Those are the two options i am offering.


Also pictures of curiousminer's devices sitting ready to be shipped can be seen below:

https://i.imgur.com/vP92jMF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lJHqvSQ.jpg

Another suggestion: Can you sell the items the OP no longer wants? If so, how much loss in value is to be expected?

I can offer the items for sale via the forum. I don't currently have an estimate on their value as I have not keep up to date with it.

I've run my own business and I know what it is like with FRAUD/SCAMMERS - we'd get people order products through us with stolen Credit Cards all the time, the issue here that I see is that unless you are a registered entity you shouldn't have a right to request someones ID to prove who they are, you and I are pretty aware of the scamming that goes on in these forums for BitCoin but then we also need to look at each other and consider what WILL HE/SHE do with my identification.

I have seen individuals and companies hoard ID's for months and then sell them off, even as companies this is bad and for an individual I don't think (in my own mind) that you really have this type of authority unless you physically are a registered entity to do so. If this was me who did the order, there is absolutely NO WAY I would send you my ID  :-\

Personal opinion, though may not stand up elsewhere.

It was re adjusted asking for confirmation of bitcoin address ownership with a message stating the current date and the requested refund address for the single chip devices.

Edit:
I have sent the options off to curiousminer and am awaiting a response from him.

Beastly

You have ruined my reputation, my brother reputation and created huge loss for him around 1.8 BTC

It was done becouse you have not responded to his pms at time and directed him to thought that he will be fully refunded!

WHEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED HIS GOODS YOU HAVE NOT SEND INFO ABOUT THIS MATTER TO HIM!!!!

i will collect all corespondence with you, pms, emails in one big sum up.

let community decide are you honest trustworthy person or not.

you should pay for your errors and remove undeserved feedback left at our profiles to finish this scam accusation fairly.

The community has already decided based on the factual evidence provided all you have done here is dig a massive hole for yourself. All you have done is repeatedly go around in circles asking the same questions over and over. A couple of things you can not deny. His order is valid as per the rules of the groupbuy. His miners are sitting here ready to ship. I have summed up the terms of resolution and sent them to you me brother via pm. It is not my error that he did not provide his shipping details. He did not offer his items for transfer in the thread OR take up offers from people in the thread. It is also not much error that your brother agreed to terms of the groupbuy when making his order. Also not my error that your brother has waited months to resolve this. The feedback is deserved and will stay. I am still awaiting a response from him about how he would like to resolve the matter and what his payment address is for the single chip miner refund. You caused the feedback yourself. You have nobody but yourself to blame for that. You attempted to sway the community based on fabricated information in an attempt to swindle me out of money.

Really?
There is full communication between you and curiousminer (i have screenshoots for all qouted below)

Let community decide again, please

Please community, rate this communication from beastlymac.
it is terrible.
he never mentioned about no refunds. he is still stating that curiousminer was on his private record.

bestlymac when you got his miners at your place ?
why you havent send him any info about this fact or no refunds fact ?


curiousminer, 5.02
please reserve for me 10 usb and 5 gridseeds, there are my tx id

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer, 10.02
please refund me btc i send to you due to customs problems

beastlymac, 10.02
please provide me tx id and signed message from sending address

curiousminer, 17.02
i am sorry for late, i was sick, blockchain.info is down now, i will send encrypted message later, i hope you still have my btc

no response from beastlymac



curiousminer 10.03
here is my signed message...

beastlymac 11.03
it doesnt like i have you on the list making payment can you provide payment details ?

curiousminer 13.03
please refund my btc, i have ordered at 5.02...

beastlymac 13.03
please provide all order details as i dont have you at my list

curiousminer 13.03
here is my order... and signed message, what else i can provide you ?

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 24.03
what else i can provide you ??? are you trying to scam me ?

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 3.04
hello i sent you all details you need, please refund or i will start scam accusations

beastlymac 3.04
what items you have ordered? i dont have you ordered anything
please send email to ... to speed things up.

curiousminer sent email with all details, never replied

curiousminer 11.04
hi i send you email you did not reply to me, please give back my 3 btc

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 19.04
i send you email please respond!

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 5.07
please listen carefully i dont want ruin reputation. please refund me btc...

beastlymac 5.07
sign message with proof of ownership of address... i dont have you at any records. are you listed at the threads ?

It is interesting that you don't actually quote what I have said all you do is post apparent words having a read through my apprent responses I can see from the lack of grammar that they're not written by me. Why not provide actual quotes? Again all you are posting is here say. It was stated in the thread about no refunds I should need to repeatedly plaster it over all pm responses. Again you are twisting words. I have offered the terms to your brother in an attempt to resolve this situation. "I don't have you at my list" seems like something you have written. Why not provide all the pm's including the ones where you make false accusations based upon no actual evidence? You seem to use the word "reserve" a lot. As I already talked about this is the wrong word to use. The term is ordered. He did not reserve anything to reserve miner participants where not required to pay anythig thus making his payment and order. His order was made on the 5th fact. His order was sent to be processed fact. His miners are ready to ship now or ready to process depending on his response to my pm another fact.

His message on the 5th was not responded to because he had not sent all information and he also said "in next day's I will provide you shipping address plus I will send you cash for package to Poland" that is why I left responding as I was waiting for him to provide all information.

Then the period of a month passes and I get a message out of the blue so I ask what it references as I am out and don't have the time to look back through hundreds of previous pm's then another month passed. Same thing. Notice the massive gaps during the periods between when I would be sent messages. During that period of time it was easy for me to lose track of the person I was talking with and what the issue was they where having because I would have responded to many other people during the period in between. I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

You also fail to cite examples of responded messages from you both
3/4/2014
5/7/2014 four responses
9/7/2014
14/7/2014
19/7/2014
21/7/2014 I responded to 4 messages
22/7/2014 another 4 responded to
24/7/2014 two responses
26/7/2014
27/7/2014 four responded to
28/7/2014

As you will notice from this that when messages from curiousminer and bbxx they where responded to as quickly as possible.

Also for the messages sent during the dates of mid April I was overseas. This was mentioned to the user Bitwizz and was also put in my skype status was this mentioned directly to curiousminer bbxx is probably going to ask. No I don't send out my life events to everyone via pm. That is the reason for not responding to messages sent on 11th and 19th of April. People where also asked to resend pm's to me that they had sent during that period.


By view of your own records it took your brother over a month to send through details about his order and send a signed message to which I ask why he is not listed on the public order form (we went through all that) then another three months passed and he sends me another out of the blue message. It is unreasonable when you receive a message randomly asking for money to not try and get some actual information regarding the order? I apologies if it is I just do it to prevent me from giving out money to all the impersonators who fake orders in an attempt to steal from me.

Even the lack or responses (responded to) don't actually change the fact that your brothers order was valid and that is the actual point if this whole thread.

Any other new questions?

here is full communication, sorry for shortening up your responses with bad grammar english is not my native language

http://i62.tinypic.com/w19oo.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/210ca4i.png
http://pl.tinypic.com/r/msnlea/8
http://i61.tinypic.com/15p376f.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/r932uq.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/ajwg7s.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/fbj8k5.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/v7sjfm.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/9qy6j9.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/2qjmaef.png


Whole case is complicated becouse my brother was sure that he will be refunded becouse he was not at any list and you were stating that he had not bought anything from you. You made an error becouse you had not him at any list till 5.07.
Within 4 months you have not answered him once that his goods are already ordered and waiting for him, and refund for 10 usb miners will be sent.

Those responses after 5.07 does not matter in that case.


You were repeatidly ingoring him, you were not answering to emails, pms, from march till july.
WHY YOU NOT ANSWERED HIM THAT HIS MINERS ARE READY TO SHIP AND HIS 1 BTC WILL BE REFUNDED SHORTLY ?
you should answer it at march!!! you choosed to total ingore him.
you should use your secret private list to check his status you dont have to mess with 2500+ pms, this is not explanation. So you were stating that you have missed his 4 pms so it is your fault and he has to pay for it ?

those responses does not matter in this case, period wchich you were ingoring him was 5.02 - 5.07 when he wanted to solve it alone.

Was my brother asked to resend pms ? So you keep his miners and were ignoring him from march till july due to your travel 11.04-19.04

please read through again, 3 months passed with no communication? what a joke!!!




If his order was valid and his miners were ready to send him at march why you were ignoring him having his goods and money that time (march-july)?


You should answer to unanswered ones

1.bestlymac when you got his miners at your place ?
2.why you havent send him any info about this fact or no refunds fact ?

and new ones:
3.if he was at your private list why you were denying that he ordered anything from you ? (4 times, so 4 times you were not at home?)
4.if he was not at the public list and you were stating that he had not order anything how he could know that his order is valid?

All you have done is repeat the same questions again. You have also not admitted that since your brothers order is valid this whole accusation is invalid since his order is waiting to be shipped or resolved depending on what his response is to my offer. All that has happened through this whole thread is a couple of post from the person who has made the accusation and pages of false accusations from you even though you where never actually involved in the deal. Why did you only appear on the 21/7/2014 and not during the previous 4 months when your brother was sick and you could have actually helped him out at the time. All you have done is hinder his accusation by spreading false lies that where easy for me to prove wrong. Also you keep posting the exact same messages over and over again they have already been responded to all you are doing is spamming the thread again with false accusations. Why did he think he would get a refund when it clearly states the terms in the group buy thread? It is apparent that your brother never read through the thread that provided all of the updates for the orders i can not help that. That is negligence on his part.

Even aside from communication issues by both of us his order is valid, his order is ready to ship or be auctioned off depending on what he would prefer. The communication issues DO NOT change the FACT that his order is valid. This whole accusation is based on his order apparently being in valid or that he disputes the date his order was sent for processing meaning it is an invalid claim and all you have done is spread slanderous accusations.

It is apparent from your first message sent to me dated 21/7/2014 and posted below. You and your brother have not actually read through the terms when ordering or even after ordering. It is apparent your lack of attempt in actually resolving this all you do is make outlandish accusations. You provide no evidence you don't even introduce yourself and how you where related to the deal because you aren't. You still seemed to think at the time that the refund amount being offered was for the 3.1BTC this shows that you did not familiarise yourself with the deal but just jumped in with wild accusations of "scamming". As you can see if you read through this thread your brother was not actually scammed all he has done is withhold information that is required to resolve the situation. You then threatened me with negative feedback in an attempt to extort 2.1BTC out of me saying i either give you money or my risk my account feedback being "ruined". I hope this whole ordeal has shown you that you can not just attempt to extort money from people for no reason and attempt to ruin people's reputation by making false slanderous accusations.


https://i.imgur.com/OtbU6BU.png (http://imgur.com/OtbU6BU)
(click image for a larger version)

This whole ordeal boils down to:
Your brother ordered on the 5th his order was sent for processing on the 7th meaning that after this date he is unable to get a refund he has then up until this point withheld his shipping details in the attempt of extorting money out of me and claiming that i have scammed him when in reality i have stuck to the rules of the group buy that he accepted at the time. Thus his whole accusation and your slanderous lies are invalid.

please answer first


and new ones
5. you wanted to send emais to speed up communication, why you have not answered to thoose  emails ?
6. why you have been ignoring him holding his miners and money within 3 months?

Making this whole thing.
https://i.imgur.com/yfspygk.jpg

please answer

helo

firstly i need to state: im on travel now and cant follow all conversation, my bro bbxx is doing it for me. (big thanx from me to him).

beastymac: for what purpose are you wasting time of so many ppl ? thing about that ? just give me back my 3.1 btc because i send it to you by mistake. it is so.  i told you that so many times. you are lying in every of your post, just stop doing it. Look from other perspective on that thread. constant lies and not facing reality.

the truth is that when you rotate the large sums of btc by chance someone inexperienced has sent you 3.1 btc and for 5 months you do not want to give back, now the issue come out public and you are scared like shit so that other ppl not find out how dirty cheater you are. yes, you, out there in australia. little dirty cheater

so many times you told me: i dont have you on my list and now you say you have your private list and im there ??? come on its soooo stupid ! you blackmail me that you send 1 btc if i give you snail mail address so that you can send me some crap ? its so funny, come on !

you are constantly asking me to prove im not a hacker but look at your self, you act like scared kid caught stealing candy. really. big boys do not lie.

look on that message again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8085792#msg8085792
show it to your mom. show it to your neighbor. show it even to a random taxi driver ! I bet they will say the same thing as me, my bro and other ppl in btc community : a little dirty cheater.

just send me back my cash and STOP that stupid waste of energy and time of so many ppl who follow the story. be a men.

we all could do sht productive instead of that discussion. since 5 months its going on ...

btw today i did so far 45 km cycling from koszice (SK) to Filkehaza (HU). i could do 15 km more if we would not be involved in that stupid discussion !

koszice: https://www.google.pl/maps/place/Ko%C5%A1ice,+Slovakia/@48.6974148,21.2391925,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x473ee01b67c6957b:0x400f7d1c6978bd0!2sKo%C5%A1ice,+Slovakia!3b1!3m1!1s0x473ee01b67c6957b:0x400f7d1c6978bd0

Pálháza
https://www.google.pl/maps/place/P%C3%A1lh%C3%A1za,+Hungary/@48.4694309,21.5037051,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x473f2d9d127eead1:0x28eb79cac9a804e9


i really hope it will be solved soon.

Are you seriously saying that you "accidentally" sent three payments by mistake? WOW. Please read all the information that shows your order was and still is valid. Did you ever read the terms and conditions of the group buy? If you had you would realise this accusation has no ground. Also notice how nobody but your brother has sided with you after reading through the whole thread. This is because your accusation is in valid.






EDIT: Also please respond to my pm in regards to resolving this.

Beastlymac, if they don't want the devices/1btc refund, hell I'll take it! lol

But on a more tone -

curiousminer and bbxx, there's a time to let go and that time past awhile ago. Again, my advice to you is to take the devices already paid for and the 1btc refund. The more you post, the more it validates my assessment that this is as a result of a communication breakdown... I'm having a difficult time reading your posts so it's quite possible that curiousminer misunderstood a few things here and there. 

problem is that beastlymac was ignoring him having his miners and money
it lasted 5 months...

is it normal ?

Communication was bad from both parties. Again this thread isn't about communication it is about a now false scam accusation. Please have your brother respond to my pm in regards to resolving this matter. What he decides to do from this point on is his choice. I have given him the options via pm. He is welcome to discuss them with me. It took your brother almost a month to reply with a signed message. Then it took in almost 3 months to send another message after April 19th that is four months accounted for our of the 5. But this thread had gone completely off topic communication doesn't change the terms that your brother agreed to.

I ask that he replies to my pm within the next 5 days. He was online today and did not respond yet made claims of "accidentally" sending three payments that is clearly not true if he had "accidentally" sent them he would have immediately asked for a refund on the 5th and not lead me on to believe he would provide the required information for his order.

please it is about your communication
you have scammed him not responding!


answer those questions !!!!

Please actually state how he has been scammed. He ordered accepting the terms. His order was processed before his request for a refund thus making it valid. He has withheld his postage information. His order is valid and is sitting here meaning he has not been scammed. Communication is not a form of scam.


I am not going to keep answering the same questions you can read back through the thread and find the answers already stated.

Here is a question I would like to ask everyone except bbxx
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.

I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.

I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.

There needs to be some resolution. Blame game aside, a decision needs to be made on the items in question. Either buyer accepts shipment or agrees to sell and accept the auctioned funds.

Beastly!

you have never answered those questions

they are key to this situation so please respond!

not responding to requests whitin 5 months (refund, shipment) ordered goods (miners) are form of scam!!!

You have just continued to ask the same questions over and over and over again...

You will find answers if you read back through all of my replies.

The current issue at hand that needs resolved is whether your brother will provide shipping details or if he would like the miners auctioned off. I am awaiting a response from him on that. I have already answered enough off topic questions and won't be answering any more from you. My only concerne now is with the conclusion and resolution of your brothers miners that are currently on hand.

You need to take a step back and look at what has actually happened here. You will realise if you read through with a non bias view point that your brother's order is valid. The reason it has not been resolved up to this point in time is because he failed to communicate his delivery address to me over the last 5 months. If this where a scam your brother would not recieve devices or the sold value of the devices. His order was valid it has taken him 5 months and his postage details have still not been sent.

please qoute me answer to this

1. date, when you have his miners at your place
2. why you have not responded to his emails
3. why you have been ignoring him holding his miners and money within 3 months?

If you read the thread like I asked you will notice that you have kept repeating the same already attended to questions. Please stop spamming this thread and actually read through what I have posted and understand the resoultion I have offered. Your accusations are invalid. This whole scam accusation is false.

One topic you never seem to talk about is the validitity of your brothers order you don't want to admit it is valid by the terms of the groupbuy as it would show that you are wrong.

Again, Beastlymac, the manner in which you've handled this speaks volumes, and I applaud your professionalism and determination in getting this resolved. Please continue to set a good example for members who find themselves in similar situations. I've never made any transactions with you, but given your track record, I wouldn't have any doubt with trusting you.

To all-

In my opinion, this resolution is fair and kudos to whomever suggested it. My suggestion to curiousminer was to accept the 1btc refund and the devices he paid for. But as it seems he's not willing to provide shipping information, I don't see Beastlymac having any other choice.... Unless he decides to say the hell with it and keep everything... But I get a sense that's not in his character.

NO, you did not answered to that questions. Do so.


for 5 months you been ignoring my requests of cash return and when i asked my bro for help, you made up private list and going to send me useless goods.

in my opinion that case is not resolved. in deed i am not expired member of community but imho its totally unfair to ignore  fact that beastymac been ignoring my requests for cash return and eventually going to send me useless goods after 5 months.

@Lucky Cris: why are you ignoring obvious evidence of scam? I have asked him many times. beastymac never told me, he have the goods for me, until opening the thread "Scam Accusations". Look again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8085792#msg8085792 

@all please do not ignore BBXX. he is helping me resolve this, without him Beastymac would not even reply to my PMs.

again im asking for sending back my 3.1 btc into my address. im doing it since 5 months.

Your request for a cash return was invalid. You have dodged supplying your order with your postage details. You have been online and not responded to my pm I think that shows you are not trying to resolve this anymore but your aim is to now try and attack me as a person. You never commented upon you saying that you "accidentally" paid for your order THREE times.

You have 5 days from the forum time July 30th at 03:04:19 PM. To respond to that PM or I will be forced to open an auction for your goods and send you the fund's made by the selling of your devices. After you have been sent those funds I will no longer respond to pm's or comments from you and your brother on this topic as it is at that point I will deem this whole situation ended.

Nice one

you have not asked him about shiping address within 5 months  becuse you were stating that he had not paid, was not at the list etc, so how he is dodging? lol.

you are scammer!

you have not answered him to his refund/shipment his miners request within 5 months until his devices becomes obsolete
please answer why

i think you lost his record and you are trying to hide this fact on your secret private list and now you are doing everything to swap your errors at communication to his loss.

and mark me and him as scammers

pathetic

answer unaswered questions.

in short time i will create and fund campagain related your behavior
people will decide is such way to scamming people fair.

i will post also warnings at reddit/youtube/coindesk/litecointalk and other places.

normal way

in short
(
5.02 hi there is my order i have paid
group buy creator:thank you very much
10.02 please refund
group buy creator: sorry, no refunds for gridseeds,  please provide me shipping address, 1 btc sent for 10 usb miners
shipping data sent
13.02
miners sent, customer happy
)

your version
(
curiousminer, 5.02
please reserve for me 10 usb and 5 gridseeds, there are my tx id

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer, 10.02
please refund me btc i send to you due to customs problems

beastlymac, 10.02
please provide me tx id and signed message from sending address

curiousminer, 17.02
i am sorry for late, i was sick, blockchain.info is down now, i will send encrypted message later, i hope you still have my btc

no response from beastlymac


curiousminer 10.03
here is  my signed message...

beastlymac 11.03
it doesnt like i have you on the list making payment can you provide payment details ?

curiousminer 13.03
please refund my btc, i have ordered at 5.02...

beastlymac 13.03
please provide all order details as i dont have you at my list

curiousminer 13.03
here is my order... and signed message, what else i can provide you ?

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 24.03
what else i can provide you Huh are you trying to scam me ?

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 3.04
hello i sent you all details you need, please refund or i will start scam accusations

beastlymac 3.04
what items you have ordered? i dont have you ordered anything
please send email to ... to speed things up.

curiousminer sent email with all details, never replied

curiousminer 11.04
hi i send you email you did not reply to me, please give back my 3 btc

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 19.04
i send you email please respond!

no response from beastlymac

curiousminer 5.07
please listen carefully i dont want ruin reputation. please refund me btc...

beastlymac 5.07
sign message with proof of ownership of address... i dont have you at any records. are you listed at the threads ?
)

mark customer as scammer and his brother too.

CAN YOU DEFEND THIS ?

below are my "slanderous lies" and "fabricated proofs" (reason of destroying my bitcointalk account by posting trust feedback)

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http://i58.tinypic.com/210ca4i.png
http://pl.tinypic.com/r/msnlea/8
http://i61.tinypic.com/15p376f.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/r932uq.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/ajwg7s.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/fbj8k5.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/v7sjfm.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/9qy6j9.png
http://i59.tinypic.com/2qjmaef.png

You are welcome to continue to spamming this thread and the rest of the internet. It just backs up my feedback left on your account in regards too "spamming" is it not clear to you now that everyone who has posted in this thread agrees that your brother has not been scammed. I have offere a form or resolution and am awaiting your brothers response.

On a side note. As a tip if you ever open a scam accusation on someone else I would recommend only telling the truth (as I have done) and backing it up with tangible proof.

is your communication silence with his goods scam or not?

you have not answered unanswered questions.

please quote your answers or answer them.

thanks.

Outright lie. Reference here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8111920#msg8111920
Same lie as you have stating that you have answered to questions:

Since when you had his miners at your place?
Why you have not answered to his emails ? (you asked him to send email to speed up communication)
If you had his miners why you have been ignoring him and declining that he has ordered anything?

please answer thoose questions, i cant find answers at topic
or quote your answers

thanks

So you deny that it took your brother from the date of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014, 11:58:38 AM before he presented a signed message?  Almost a month of waiting for a signed message. The another three months from April 19, 2014, 08:44:03 AM to July 05, 2014, 12:04:58 PM. That is four months i don't see how you can call that a lie. Instead of wasting your time and my time repeating false accusations please spend your time getting your brother to respond to my pm.

you were denying that he ordered anything, that he paid for anything

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png

why you have never responded to his emails?
since when you had his miners at your place ?

thanks.

"So you deny that it took your brother from the date of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014, 11:58:38 AM before he presented a signed message?  Almost a month of waiting for a signed message. The another three months from April 19, 2014, 08:44:03 AM to July 05, 2014, 12:04:58 PM. That is four months i don't see how you can call that a lie."

he send already all data you needed few times.
please read whole communication, i made screenshoot.

your statement about 3 months waiting for his data is lie!

so there are 2 lies and you cant deny them.

1. that you have answered his questions (above) already


2. that you have been waiting for signed message another 3 months (he sent you it by email and pm twice immidiatelly after request)

http://i58.tinypic.com/285spj.png


please answer

I never said that i waited 3 months for a signed message i said i waited one. I then went on to say that it took him 3 months after the 19th of april to message me on the 5th of July i didn't say that i waited those three months for a signed message. I said that i waited one. If you read through this thread and the group buy thread you will answer your own questions i have already said that.


Interesting that you take what i said out of context (that has happened before). I waited a month. Do you deny that it took him between the dates of 11th of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014 to provide his signed message via pm?

You say "immidiatelly" (immediately) that would mean instantly one month is not instant

im·me·di·ate
iˈmēdē-it/Submit
adjective
1.
occurring or done at once; instant.

Also how do you take screenshots (" i made screenshoot.") wouldn't your brother have to do that. Unless you have access to his account? Thus proving my point if multiple people have access to it that his account was potentially insecure meaning that me asking for him to confirm ownership was valid and was required in the situation.

He send you signed message 5.03
i dont deny that.

Then he send it again immidiatelly at your request 13.03
Then he send it again and again by email you wanted to

you have not answered once to thoose emails.

i dont have access to my brothers account.
i asked him to create screenshoots from his inbox and outbox.

tell me since when you got his miners at your place
and why you have not replied to his emails (having "his goods" and his money)

please also tell me why you have been ignoring him within 3+ months having his assets.

thanks

For me there is resolution to this case.

You have been ignoring him since he sent you signed message (5.03)

So it is your fault.

1. refund 1 btc for 10 usb miners as you stated already you will do
2. refund gridseeds item value dated at 5.03
3. clear your false feedback at my and his account

thanks.

https://i.imgur.com/AMatY1D.png (http://imgur.com/AMatY1D)
(click to enlarge)

No pm received on march 5th.

Date i asked for signed message was the 11th of February date i received the signed message was the 10th of March. That is a month that is not immediate. That is also not on the 5th of March. Please realise you are wrong


1) It will be sent as soon as he sends a signed message with the current date as was asked days ago.
2) Your claim was invalid this will not happen.
3) I already mentioned that this will never happen.

I have provided him the two options publicly and via PM. He is open to choose what option he would like but as i already stated he has 5 days to choose as i don't want this to drag on any longer. If he does not choose by the deadline his miners will be auctioned off and he will be sent the proceeds.

My feedback on both of your accounts is valid and will not be removed.

sorry about 5 march
my brother messed up sending to himself i havent noticed that

http://i61.tinypic.com/2hp84kp.png

but he did resend it 10.03 so it is key date now
http://i58.tinypic.com/2elateg.png

1. he will send it when he will be able to (now he is travelling)
2. so it is valid now with changed date to 10.03
3. ok so i will try to ressolve this other way. i will do everything what can be done at this case


1. Since when you had this miners? you have never responded it (it is lie that you did)
2. Why you have not replied to his email ? you have never responded it (it is lie that you did)

thanks

Below are proofs that you have been stating that he had not ordered anything and that he had not paid you.

1. Since when you had this miners at home, sealed ? you have never responded to this question  (it is lie that you did)

i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.

can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?

2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?

 you asked curiousminer  to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)

thanks

official letter has been send to manufacturer, asiabtc.

also escrow.ms and theymos has been added to recipient list.

i hope they will help to solve this case

and other cases not ended (beastly has scammed other group buy participants and left them undeserved trust feedback, reference: beastlymac untrusted feedback)

this whole thread has to be honestly ended with help of community.

i hope that beastlymac will be erased from default trust list due to his unfair practices.

The sale thread will already have the information you are looking for. Your brother's order was in the first couple waves of miners that arrived. All cases have ended everyone but your brother received their miners. You are welcome to keep adding more and more people to your pm's all you are doing now is wasting everyone's time. Your brother still has not replied to my pm. Read every post in this thread from other people it is obvious what members of the community think.

Edit:

You even have negative feedback from someone in the community that aggress that you have made up lies.

https://i.imgur.com/VkSNHWI.png

My feedback on you is true. I have not abused any part of the system i don't see what you have to complain about in regards to my feedback left on your account move on. Next time don't post lies about people and you won't get into the situation you're in.

beastymac for 5 months you been ignoring my requests of return. you basically stole my 3.1 btc. now, when the story is public and my bro bbxx have show you and other members of btccommunity, that you are not worth of trust (blackmailing, lies, stealing from unexpired members), i hope all will be soon resolved, reputation of my bro and others fixed and eventually you will send back my 3.1 btc on my address.

from now on do not send any pm to me because im disgusted with your constant lies. imho all communication have to public.

Since you are online and don't want to receive and pm's anymore. Please respond publicly to the message quoted below. Within the next three days.



I have not stolen anything of yours. You sent funds and purchased miners and since then have prevented me from fulfilling your order by sending you the miners. You have not been forthcoming from day one with your postage details. Did you read the terms and conditions of the group buy? If you did (although it is apparent you did not) you would know that your claim is invalid. Your brother has made false accusations the latest one claiming that the message was sent on the 5th.

Please publicly choose out of the two solutions offered above. You now have three days or i will be forced to default to auctioning off the miners.

Please state exact date you had his miners at your place. Also provide their production date/serial numbers. I am going to fully finish this investigation with evidence you should provide.

Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother having his miners (he sent you many messages and emails).

You said bad communication is not scam but in this case it is becuse you were holding his goods/money within 5 months and not responding to his refund/shipment request.
So fault is at your side, why curiousminer has to pay for your errors ?

Below are cases similar to this, please tell me when you will compensate/refund/remove trust feedback to those harmed people too.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2nk5o3q.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/2mxmlmr.jpg
this guy account has been destroyed by you putting negative trust feedback (you have scammed him and he is harmed by you twice)

this is solved already, reference there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8116836#msg8116836
you know this and this only shows how terrible creature you are.
pathetic

This investigation is over i have already talked about the compensation (again you are repeating the same questions over and over)

It is not. He has also withheld his postage details for 5 months. Does that mean he has scammed me? According to your terminology it does. I have removed the feedback on Mr. Jinx. They are not similar to this. They provided all required details when requested. Your brother did not. Again all you have done is repeat the same questions over again. From this point on i will only answer new questions in regards to this order.

Please provide exact date you had his miners at your place. Please add information about their serial numbers and production date.
I am collecting evidence for police department (for investigation) and preparing court case. Let judge decide who scammed who.
Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother within next months having this miners.
thanks

Good that you have removed feedback from jinx. Why you did this now? Why you put this feedback at him?

The gridseed devices do not come with a serial number or manufacture date on the box. You are welcome to do as you seem fit. It will just result in a waste of time and a waste of money. Your brother did not provide his postage details. Also in regards to your court case keep in mind your defamation and whilst you are talking to the police ask them what are the consequences for defamation. Your questions about the user Mr. Jinx do not pertain to this accusation and are off topic.

i dont agree for your solutions and i dont trust you, since you have tricked many ppl in community. the case is NOT RESOLVED and you are not in power to state rules of solving the problem, since you are accused of stealing from me 3.1 btc (since 5 months im asking you for return, you come out with idea of sending me useless goods AFTER case went public).

i agree for resolution of the case by admins/seniors of the forum but not by random folks (like Lucky Cris). im on travel now and my bro bbxx is in full power to state my point.

please do not ignore my bro bbxx
please answer all questions one by one
please send me 3.1 btc on my address, im asking you sice 5 months.

and please do not falsehood or blackmail me any more its sooo ugly.

So you are trying to prevent this case being resolved by withholding information required to fulfil your deal then blaming me for not shipping. It is clear you don't want to resolve this. You are welcome to spam members of the community in the hope that they side with you. Why have you not signed a message with the current date and posted it on the thread or pm'd it to me like i asked you?. Why did it take you a month to sign a message? You don't have to trust me it will all be documented publicly. You have three days. I agree with what both lucky cris, KWH and armin have said that this needs resolved. Those are the two options for resolution i have given you the choice. You are not entitled to a 3.1btc refund by the terms you agreed to. You have withheld key information that would have resulted in this being resolved months ago in an attempt to extort money out of me. You have made slanderous accusations about me. You have the two options that i have listed and you have three days to decide. Admins do not get involved in cases such as this. Senior members have already given their verdict. You have had two trusted members of the community say that you have no grounds for this accusation.

Beastlymac, I know this has already been said previously by other members, but it absolutely deserves mentioning again. I just read this entire thread and I cannot even begin to comprehend how you are able to maintain a calm, respectful, and professional demeanor in all your responses. Never once letting it become personal or resulting to insults. I have nothing invested in this ordeal, yet by page 5 even I was grinding my teeth :-P

The fact that you still maintained a professional manner on the 10th + repeated questions goes to show you are incredibly fair as a businessman and professional. I don't think a single person would have held it against you if you simply ignored repeat questions after you answered them 10 times over already. I must admit, upon starting to read this situation I was not totally convinced on who's fault it was, but by the end (really, by the middle..) of the thread you had countered every argument made against you while at the same time the other party seemed to just dig themselves deeper and deeper in a hole.

I commend you on how you handled this situation. I know that statement coming from someone you never associated with before doesn't mean much, but I just wanted to speak my $0.02 as well to show any onlookers (silent or vocal) reading this that your not getting backed up just by people you may know personally, but also from people who don't know either party, or have anything at stake in this situation. Bravo sir!

As far as your ""please respond to the PM within 5 days"" option, I believe that is absolutely more then fair. It is undeniable that the other party knows his options and knows he has a PM to reply to that lists more then fair options as to how to proceed from here. If he cannot accept this or refuses to acknowledge it, then the burden of the situation should absolutely not fall onto you sir. The fact that all he needs to do is provide a refund address via PM to receive $600 (1btc) for his troubles, yet he is refusing to do so under the guise that he won't because he 'doesn't know what scam you'll pull next' is baffling to me. It appears he simply wants his argument to be the only method of proceeding with this matter moreso then he actually wants a refund, IMO. Otherwise I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't be thrilled to accept the 1 BTC refund when this entire 10 page thread is 100% about a refund. You can't force someone to take what they've been asking for (nor should you even need too..)

Again sir, bravo on how you handled this entire ordeal!

*apologies if I trailed off a bit in this post. Doing so from my phone (while periodically closing and resuming the reply) over the course of an hour*

MrThePlague i thank you very much for the time you have taken to read this thread and the time you have taken to write out your opinion.

I am appreciative of the depth of your response and your opinion towards the situation.

I am surprised that a person with such experience in trading leads as long discussion irritating their customers more and more, rather than just give them his money.
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.

About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.

I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell :)

GandalfG i welcome your opinion and thank you for your post. I don't understand why your "reputation will go to hell ". Everyone is free to post their own opinion. It is if people post lies that it becomes a problem.

Edit: Although as a personal friend of bbxx i feel it may be a little biased.

thank you GandalfG for stating your opinion. im also convinced that not happy consumers are very bad for reputation of seller. im not happy and there is few more not happy consumers of beastymac. coincidence ? i dont think so.

look beastymac  I AM unexpired user. i send you cash. i did not provided postal address or did not posted in forum. IT WAS MISTAKE. you can call me stupid (i am) but i did not broke rules. i was scared of customs. few days later i have asked you to return me money. since 5 months im asking you to return me money.

so just send me back my 3.1 btc and lets finish it. so many hours wasted on pointless discussion

also please remember im from poland and 3 btc its about 1.5 average monthly wage. it is a _loot_ for me.
at the moment im in ukraine. its not so wealthy country. 3 btc its about 4 months of work in ukraine (im actually eating full dinner in restaurant for 0.0041 btc)
you are from Australia. for you 3 bts its less than a 2 or 3 weeks or work.

just give me back _my_money_ and lets finish it.

Beastlymac has been denying 4 times or more that my brother order anything.
Ha had not stated once that his order is already locked for shipment.
beastlymad has been refusing that curiusminer has paid anything

after receiving proof of payment he went into silence method

3 times

after he got adres signature at 10.03

at march when he asked to send email he has never replied

at 5.07 he asked again about proof of payment

he never mentioned that his order is on the way and there is no refunds
he never asked for shipping address
he had not put him at paid list

he found him at secret private list week ago, 6 months after order.

how my brother could know that his miners are waiting for him if beastlymac was denying this?

please consider this.
whole correspondence is archived at screenshoots.

Here is what it looks like to me:

Items were ordered, shipping information not given but payment sent. Is this why he was on a private list? Setting this aside from those with shipping information?
By ordering from that advertisement, you were agreeing to a No Refunds policy. Did you not realize that? Once they were ordered, it is done.
Why was shipping info not given when ordered? That's a lot of BTC to risk. Could it be you were hedging against the rapid devaluation of these units since the larger, faster miners were hitting the market? The taxes/shipping to your country are YOUR concern, not the sellers.
Do you not take any responsibility for not inquiring in a reasonable time frame on the whereabouts of your already paid for items? Again this is a decent chunk of change you plopped down but failed to send shipping info. This really comes across as very peculiar.
Now, it looks like you want the seller to eat the devaluation of these items you ordered while you get a full refund. You are basically screwing the seller hard if indeed the items are sitting there, in hand awaiting shipping information. If he was going to cheat you, why would he buy the items? He can not recover the full purchased value at this late date.
Both have dropped the ball on notification but the buyer more so as he risked a lot of BTC but failed to follow up on the shipping.
All these accusations are meaningless at this point. Both sides need to work out an agreeable solution.

it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?

Best if you stay out of it and let the buyer/seller handle a solution. You are not adding anything relevant to this. In fact, you are muddying the waters so to speak.

That is a very big accusation to make. You would have to provide some proof to back it up. But you wouldn't be able to as it is untrue. Why would i tamper with a customers device? I have never done it before. I didn't do it with the other hundreds that i shipped. Why would i do it with 5 miners?

yes it is very big accusation to make. but think twice about the story: the guy who is avoiding to give back 3.1 btc for months to unexpired consumer (by ignoring his voice) is SOOO greed he will make hot every chip, he have in (temporary) possession.

This is another great example of false slanderous accusations.

All that is over and done. You didn't follow up with your order, check on your country's laws and you didn't give shipping details. That is on you, the buyer. The seller also should have been more diligent but as the buyer, you should have been following closely the order progression.
Move on to a solution already, this back and forth isn't going anywhere.

fair is to

1. refund value of miners dated at 10.03 (since beastlymac went to silence mode, when he got what he asked)
2. erase false feedback left on both accounts

what do you think?

thanks

I think your spot on correct. Not that Beastlymac needs my agreeing with him, as he's doing a far better job strengthening his position on his own.

When you made the purchase of these items, you agreed to the terms and conditions agreement for participating in said purchase. The parts you are focusing on curiousminer may be frustrating to you, or not the ideal situation you wanted to be in when you initially sent payment and agreed to the terms, but it doesn't change the only 'fact' that matters in this.

You are asking questions over and over regarding the date these miners arrived at his residence, and why communication wasn't quick enough, and all these parts of the situation that unfortunately are irrelevant to the situation at this point in the resolution.

All that matters here and now are a few very simple facts:

Is he a scammer? He is not. It is already a proven fact he has issued I believe roughly 40 btc (don't quote me on that exact number) in refunds to countless users.

Are you entitled to a refund yourself? According to the terms you agreed upon, yes you are. One of the Two items you purchased entitled you to roughly 1 BTC refunded. The remainder of the order (Beastlymac correct me if I am wrong), he has in hand, and is ready to get it shipped out to you as soon as an address is provided. I also believe he had included an alternative to having these shipped to you, which is to auction them off on this forum, to which you would receive the proceeds from those sales in addition to the 1 BTC refund you are entitled to as we speak buddy!

I understand you want all your money back. I understand you canceled your order 5 days after paying. I understand you are either unhappy/unsatisfied with his communication (time frame or otherwise). I don't think anyone is overlooking these statements you keep repeating. The problem is, when you paid on the 5th. You agreed to the terms and conditions set for this purchase. and after the 7th (when the order were placed), all the other points pretty much became irrelevant. If you wanted your money back, canceled your order, or had an issue with communication between the 5th (date you paid) and the 7th (date order was placed), you would absolutely have a valid point and concern on this purchase.

I think Beastlymac has proven above all that he is not a scammer, and is doing everything he can to work with you on the options you rightfully have left to resolve this situation. Trust me buddy, a scammer does not refund 40+ BTC to numerous people, a scammer would not offer you the refund on 1 item, as well as several options regarding the other item (again, all of which you agreed to upon paying). But most of all, a scammer would not have been as honest, professional, and straight forward with you as he has throughout all your questioning. It may not be what you want, but you should be thankful he is giving you what you are entitled to fairly, whereas if you had made this transaction with a true scammer, you most likely would not only get nothing at all back, but you most likely wouldn't even have heard from the guy ever again.

I am not the most well versed person, obviously, so I apologies if this sounds like just a dumb down version of what everybody else was saying before. :-/

Again buddy, I understand everything you are saying in this thread. Just the key fact, the only fact that matters, is after the 7th, when this order was placed, all those things you are saying are irrelevant as the situation stands right now. The only thing that matters is, are you receiving what you are entitled too fairly, and the answers is Yes. It's not Yes because of an option, or because any one person says so. It's a Yes because you personally agreed to that when you made the purchase on the 5th.

I think I already said this once before, but be very thankful that you weren't dealing with an actual scammer, as it would be a very rough situation if you actually were stolen from.

But you would be contradicting your own agreement. Why would you expect a refund on the 10th, when you had agreed to the terms that you wouldn't be entitled a full refund after the order was placed, which was the 7th. It falls on the buyer, not the seller, that you demanded a full refund, 3 days after the 'deadline' to request said refund. You can't blame the seller for that, ya know?

Going 'silent' as you put it is irrelevant UNLESS it was on or before the 7th. Which as far as I can see, everyone agrees there was no attempt of communication on or before the 7th.

helo

thank you all for taking time and looking on the story. i need more time to read all again and reply as i m on bike travel now and cant be all the time wifi. its been going for months, please let it be a while longer. my bro bbxx is entitled to state in my name.

also have in mind reputation of my bro, as hi is imho worth full trust.

The longer you wait, the less your order is worth. IMHO, you need to be the one to address this as the person that ordered.

From my understanding, no refunds are granted after the order is placed with the manufacturer (which I totally understand). When the OP requested a refund, he wouldn't have known the order was already sent to the manf unless that date was posted in the thread. But even if it were, his name wasn't on the public list (because he didn't send his mailing address), so there would be no way to determine whether his order was included in that bunch.

The key date is when the order was placed with the manufacturer, not the date OP purchased. OP requested a refund days after placing his order, but unfortunately by that time, the order was already placed with the manf, hence no refund. No doubt the original communication dragged on for months unnecessarily - and as I've stated before based on the messages /emails sent I'd think my refund was in the works too... but order rules are order rules.

No need to thank me buddy, in the end this is about you and him and finding a resolution. Take the time you need, but remember to reply to him within the 5 day time frame as stated in the PM he sent you (it may be 2 or 3 days left by now). You only hurt yourself by letting that 5 day period pass, so I would absolutely re-read this thread tonight, specifically what the community's insight on this is. Since your making a thread asking the community to get involved, it's absolutely important to take the communities un-bias responses seriously.

As for your brother, IMO, there's nothing more he needs to add at this point. It's between you and you alone to read and respond to the sellers PM and seriously see the options he is giving you on how to proceed.

Don't worry about the reputation thing now. A + or - on a computer screen isn't the main situation right now, you getting what you are entitled to get per your agreement is bud! Let's get this resolved and dropped, then we can go back on the reputation situation. But it's almost impossible to solve a reputation dispute while the important situation of your BTC and Items is still on going!

I realize your brother has been speaking on your behalf more then you have been speaking for yourself in this thread (I know your on vacation though so I understand!). Its better if you take 45 mins - an hour tonight and resolve this yourself, meanwhile have your brother just sit on the sidelines for a bit while you do so, and once resolved he absolutely has a right to then address the reputation situation!

Seconded.

I absolutely agree with you that everything isn't a clear open and shut, no room to debate otherwise, situation. I think the situation could have been more clear if the seller had worded things differently in an early on PM. I don't see it as malicious on his part, just a communications issue, because in the end there was never a lie or any false information being passed. But equally, I think the situation could have been more clear if the buyer had worded things differently in his early PM's as well. Equally, not malicious on the buyer's part, but with such a large transaction taken place, perhaps a straight forward question to the seller about the refund would have cleared this up early, as opposed to just assuming a full refund is coming without actually asking for a straight forward answer.

I don't think either party intended on screwing over the other, and if one side flat out lied at the time to stall time, then I would understand the frustration. Should the seller have said flat out no refunds on the first message that couldn't be debated as meaning anything else? Absolutely. Should the buyer have asked flat out, am I receiving a full 100% refund as per my request on the 10th, again, prompting a straight forward answer that couldn't be debated meaning anything else? Absolutely.

Well said; no doubt you're able to look at this objectively. It's pretty obvious the lack of clear communication, on both sides, contributed to the misunderstanding - definitely a lesson to be learned. I totally agree with you, malice isn't a factor here.

I have dealt with Beastlymac in good and bad times and I know him to be honest and fair in all his dealings. This situation has strained the limits of how to handle complaints. First I think the party that is HARMED should be doing the speaking and directly communicating with Beastlymac and you will get a result that will be fair. Having someone speak for a brother or friend etc is not how this should be handled. All I know is I have risked 1000s of dollars with Beastlymac and in each case there has been a satisfactory resolution.

Unlike most scammers he is not lying, not trying to cover up he is trying to work through the problem and get a fair resolution. If you are being antagonistic and throwing misinformation and speaking for someone else when you are not involved then I wonder how you expect a resolution.

Suffice to say Beastlymac is not and never has been a scammer and given the effort he has put in here to resolve the issue with this person who isn't even the claimant I am amazed he remained as calm and focused on the resolution. There are some real bad eggs in bitcointalk Beastlymac is definitely a white hat in this. I think it is clearly a vindication of his moral and ethical compass. Communication via forum to resolve such a dispute is not ideal but inflaming the situation and name calling and threats were unnecessary given what I know of Beastlymac he would have worked on a resolution without the need of the injured party proxy starting a thread like this.

So, any update from any party? Has the matter been resolved? I would like to see the resolution to this.

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723738.0

Alright, thanks for the update.

Wonder if there will be a response from the other party.

update
proofs above given.

I did not mark you as a scammer (that is the way the trust system works) I marked you as untrustworthy. I am entitled to do so if I do not trust you. I updated the trust rating and removed the risked amount of 3.1 around a week ago. Although I have proven that you have made slanderous accusations do that makes my feedback valid. I listed the miners for auction because you brother did not reply within the period of 5 days.

And so I believe that you have all come to a conclusion and solution.

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It's based on how trustworthy one is, not if you're a scammer.

Made sure to note that I do not trust either bbxx or his "brother". If you want to act like clowns good luck keeping a positive trust rating. It is people like this that make BTC a minefield for consumers and sellers alike.

Gandalfg know personally my brother and me.
He can confirm as you wish (he is at wasp too).

I was hoping that beastlymac will pay for his errors (ignoring communication, pm, emails) but he is not interested in it, neither in deleting unfair trust rating from both accounts.

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png
he never responded to curiousminer emails, my brother was asking 3 times using personal messages

Bicknellski, please comment this situation, is it scam for you?

you order goods, pay btc upfront
within 4 months you are informed that you have not paid and havent ordered anything
your goods loose 95% value
finally you are informed that your goods are put at auction and your account is destroyed by false trust rating

is it ok for you ?
or it is scam ?

Beastlymac stated that shipment will be delivered 13.02 but some of guys were mining with them (participants got miners used and 10+ weeks late, some at may, some never).
He also promised compensation, but people got trust rating harmed instead.

put at back your relations with Beastlymac (wasp, etc) and answer fairly

thanks.

Feel free to see his trust rating after gridseed group buys.
Mr Jinx account was destroyed too by beastlymac (he got his 10 gridseeds at may, some used, no psu) instead of compensation. (beastlymac deleted his trust entry at him after i asked him when he will do that)
Any comments?

minedfield? me and my brother? mr Jinx?



http://i61.tinypic.com/2nk5o3q.png

Please tell me also is Beastlymac reputation worth thoose 3.1 btc (or more including promised compensation to others scammed?)

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like  bbxx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=39971).

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

please answer to this !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

if you accusse me being clown, fake brother etc
be fair and respond to my answer

my "lies" are result of Beastlymac lies.
please read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718663.msg8308696#msg8308696

thanks

@bbxx you made false claims that your brothers miners had not been submitted to the manufacturer this was proven to be false. You claimed that his order was sent for processing after he had asked for a refund this was also proven to be false.

ok lets dissasemble this post one after one

1.


"telling tales" is lie ? rather assumption that something is wrong

wrong accusation

2.



http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png

next lie is also false (my wisdom was based at Beastlymac statements)

3.


part taken out from private conversation (whole sentence is related to my brother`s will to reserve items not order)

so next lie destroyed

please answer what i have fabricated. screenshoots ?

Bicknellski! this is really pathetic that you are avoiding to answer my post (where you attacking me, naming clown, fake brother)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

be a man and answer!

proven to be false?
how can you prove it?

i can prove that you were denying that my brother has not order anything from you ?
(within 4 months)

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png


this is your explanation ? or maybe secret list ?

If you persist in stalking my threads with disinformation and off topic posts this will only get worse.

I ignore and block unreasonable people who fail to act ethically. At this point both these jokers are continuing this stupid vendetta for now apparent reason.

You named me clown and stating false accusations about lies and fabricated evidences.
I have responded to you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

you are avoiding answer.

please do it. be fair.

"Destroyed" interesting that you say if I quote part of a message it means it isn't valid? So that would mean that everything you have posted being quotes would be "destroyed". Your brother wanted to reserve the units? Interesting you come up with something so preposterous. Where anywhere in the sale thread did it say that users where required to pay for reserving units? No where because it wasn't required. You only had to pay if you actually ordered the miners. Are you saying that my quotes are some how invalid or "lies"? honestly? Yes "telling tales" in an attempt to discredit someone is a lie. You making claims that your brothers miners had not been ordered from the manufacturer is a lie.

yes. please include whole sentence with context.
also that conversation was private so "spamming threads with slenderous lies" is false.

also lie is that time if you post a fact you know is not true and you do it intentionally.
i cant see connection in that case.

my brother wanted to reserve units it is true. so where is my lie ?

your accusations are false then. please remove feedback.
also refund gridseeds value dated at 10.03.2014 (since you have been ignoring my brother "having" his miners due to:




deny order, payment,

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png


ignore within few months


)

that is fair solution
thanks

Your brother will receive a refund for the single chip miners and he will receive the proceeds from the auctioned off 5 chip devices. At this point I will not remove the feedback posted on your account. Although I will review all feedback left at a later date and potentially change it as I do with all feedback I leave. The quotes from above where either made publicly or sent via pm to more recipients then just you and myself meaning you stated them to outside figures such as escrow.ms and theymos by cc them into the pm. At a later date it is possible I will provide all correspondence in relation to this case (made via) publicly as that seems to be your wish although it is generally don't post private messages publicly.

beastlymac within 4 months was denying any order, payment. finally he found secret list with order and put goods at auction. it is scam. pure fraud.

my "lies" have been based at beastlymac responses. i have answered to thoose false accusations. i have nothing to hide. above all is ressolved.

this is sad.

From an outsider reading in.. it sounds like..

someones brother bought some mining equipment. It was paid for, but not delivered for 4 months. During that time a delivery and or refund was discussed.
Now 4 months on, the refund is off the table ??

Is that the issue pretty much ?
 

You forgot the part where shipping information was never given and also the part where there is a refund to be given as well as the proceeds from the equipment auction in progress.

Missed the part where bbxx slanders Beastlymac. Beastlymac does everything in his power to reimburse the "brother".

At this point assholes going to be assholes even when the honest guy tries and tries to resolve the issue over and over again.

Don't do biz with these two jagoffs bbxx and his "brother" can't trust people that lie and won't even try to take a fair settlement when it is offered.

The buyer never gave a shipping addy ?
That seems kinda retarded..... Or is it just me...

for 5 months i been asking for refund. no response or ignoring from group buy organizer.
after_5_months_ he comes out with "private list" where are worthless goods for me.
for me its a pure scam.

now, after i started the scam thread and asked my bro for help, he marked us as not worthy of trust on forum and he called his buddies for stating opinions in the thread.

as you might expect, he is constantly avoiding answering simple questions concerning his "private list" idea and ignoring me for 5 months.

3-4BTC order, I would be checking the order details and shipping progress daily for fear of a mistake on my part. I would want the order ASAP so I could maximize any profits. Doesn't seem to be the case here. Only a full refund is being sought once the equipment is now of low value. The original buyer can't be bothered with it so it falls to the brother to pursue. *shrugs*

Give the shipping info, take delivery of your order and get the offered refund. Case closed.
Questions have been answered many times but they are not the answers you want so you "both" persist. You also were negligent during this time.

4 months denying payment/order having miners in hand is not scam ?

deny order, payment,

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png


ignore within few months


is that scam or not ?
please answer.

Again:

if beastymac would tell me, there are goods waiting for me, i would give him shipping info. BUT numerous times he told me im not on order list. so i been asking for refund.

for me coming out with "private list" after 5 months of ignoring consumer, what renders goods worthless is not fare.
what do you thing about coming out with "private list" idea after 5 months ? is it ok ?

@Bicknellski
what lies ??? pls cool your head and read the thread one more time.

beastlymac has made error. he was ignoring my brother and stating that he had not order anything


deny order, payment,

http://i58.tinypic.com/504qq0.png


ignore within few months


that is a fact

he should pay for his errors.

You really don't read do you?

He has even posted pics of your order. Live up to your word and provide shipping information and close this issue.

yes indeed im not following the thread constantly because im currently in travel, right now its first time since 10 days when im on internet.
no, i did not read whole thread but from what i see situation is not chaining, we dont get to any conclusion. i dont agree for goods right now, its a pure scam for me. and yes, i know the rules of group buy.

So again as an outsiders view... it sounds like the items are available now for delivery.

OP claim he was ignored for 5 months.... Is that true ?
If it is, I probably also would not want delivery of 5 month late device.

Regardless, it sounds like efforts are being made to do something....

Also I'm not taking sides or accusing anyone, I am just trying to understand what is going on :)

beastymac sent me few pms, that im not on his order list. and after 5 months he comes out with "private list". come on.

You are not going to honor your word then?

Let me remind you of your post:

yes, numerous times he told me im not on his order list:


after sending email i never get reply.

so if im not on order list, im asking for refund of 3.1 btc. beastymac comes out with "private list" - it actually makes my 2.1 btc gone in a wind. for me it is a lot, and i thing its not fair way to deal with consumer, especially not-expired consumer, as i am.

These two guys are jerking Beastlymac around at this point. There is a solution on the table they won't take it because they want to inflict more hurt on Beastlymac.

Well guess what? There are others watching on the sidelines and see right through these two and their games. No one should do biz with these two jokers they are not trustworthy. The lies and misrepresentations are more than an enough at this point to put them on ignore and let them pile up some more negative trust ratings.

Solution has been offered. Take the solution already and stop pissing into the wind. I have nothing but loathing and contempt for people who are obviously only out to destroy someone's reputation even when that person is trying very hard to make amends. Stop being assholes and take the compensation and please crawl back into whatever fricking hole you climbed out of. No one will ever do biz with you guys again given this sort BS and I will be sure to be pointing out people to this thread should they want to do biz with either of you two.