We had gone through this in June with the PoW block time hardfork. This is the reason we still find v1.3 wallets and not v1.1 wallets, a protocol upgrade to the network forced the upgrade to v1.3. Selecting a point in time the old protocol version stops, all seednodes are upgraded to the new protocol version, users upgrade to the new protocol version then or in the future, and the blockchain continues. This is what I mean by 'big bang'.
Hi Steven, I imagined the commits would include a new minimum PoS difficulty and perhaps a revised implementation of our target spacing rules along with an incremented PROTOCOL_VERSION & MIN_PROTO_VERSION. A simulation with the upcoming client release and new network rules where there are several wallets carrying staking balances should produce convincing data to validate the coin parameters. Network rules specify the target spacing should be 180 seconds. https://github.com/EverGreenCoinDev/EverGreenCoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1052 Network rules specify a retarget every 10 blocks. https://github.com/EverGreenCoinDev/EverGreenCoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L51Precisely, a new protocol version and a new minimum protocol version and an additional minimum PoS difficulty to be implemented by an if condition.The old minimum PoS difficulty does stay for blocks prior to the hardfork that is determined by the if condition. One harbinger of the Evergreencoin 24-hour DoS bans for "block with too little proof-of-stake" has been when blocks are created too close together.
I thought a bit about how a simulation might work.
If there is just one staking node in the simulation, there are limited and very few reasons which may describe why target spacing would not be honored over retargeting windows.
If there are just one or two staking nodes, there is not enough entropy to simulate the network when the PoS difficulty is at its minimum.
If there are just enough staking nodes, then a network simulation with sufficient netstakeweight to approximate our current environment will permit the coin parameters to express themselves in the blockchain.
Preparing a controlled environment for such a simulation would be a big job since there is no single group of Evergreencoin stakeholders, at this point, working together on a TestNet fork of the blockchain to simulate the MainNet environment's historical average netstakeweight in order to evaluate target spacing under the new network rules of the upcoming client release.
Suppose a controlled environment were prepared with an arbitrary number of coin daemons, where a genesis block is created including a coinbase transaction of 13,239,136 EGC (current MainNet moneysupply). The newly created EGC would then be divided among the arbitrary number of coin daemons and time passes until nStakeMinAge has occurred (24 hours). Once the minimum stake age has been achieved, several of the coin daemons are brought online to begin staking and observations are made to evaluate network performance. The simulation may be incrementally horizontally scaled by increasing the number of online coin daemons carrying a balance. During the simulation, taking 30% - 70% of the netstakeweight offline to evaluate network performance would approximate real world conditions of our young network.
What are your thoughts?
Best Regards,
-Chicago
I have 5 nodes, one acting as the checkpoint server, all using a recent snapshot of MainNet. They are networked together but removed from the Internet. They are all staking various amounts. Since I can stop any and all wallets from actively staking, allow a considerable amount of time to pass, and then enable staking, I can trigger the hardfork minimum PoS difficulty to be enacted in this test environment reliably. Experimenting with different values does reflect in the results and I have found what I feel is a solid new minimum for PoS difficulty, .015 That is the goal of this hardfork, prevent PoS difficulty from becoming so low that the network is flooded with PoS blocks faster than consensus can be established network wide and forks forming. |
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 EverGreenCoin got a mention at a bitcoin meetup in the Netherlands today! A colleague of mine there snapped this picture for me. The topic was the negative environmental effects of cryptocurrency. EverGreenCoin was mentioned as one of the projects realizing and working away from that negative impact. I am personally very pleased to once again see EverGreenCoin mentioned with honourable projects such as Stanford's Folding@Home and Foldingcoin. If I collect any other pictures, I will be sure to share them. |
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On a more promising note, I have been testing code for another hardfork. This code is generating the desired effect and should prevent these unintentional forks from forming. My plan is to big bang and hardfork the network again. If testing continues to be favorable, this will occur this weekend. I have already made exchanges aware of this plan and its possible execution this weekend. Of course, more details to come.
Hi Steven, Based on the network's adoption of v1.4.2.0 and based on those peers which still run v1.3.0.0, we know it took more than 2.5 weeks to see greater than 50% of the users install v1.4.2.0. To ensure a successful launch of the proposed fork, it would be prudent to select a block height at least 2.5 weeks in the future and have the new client trigger the new network rules at the specified height. This will permit us to release the new client as soon as the time is right yet also provide enough time to monitor the number of peers who have adopted it so we can spread the message more aggressively if needed. Also, what specifically do you mean by "big bang and hardfork"? I understand hardfork but do not yet see commits describing the big bang reference. https://github.com/EverGreenCoinDev/EverGreenCoin/commits/masterBest Regards, -Chicago Hi Chicago, We had gone through this in June with the PoW block time hardfork. This is the reason we still find v1.3 wallets and not v1.1 wallets, a protocol upgrade to the network forced the upgrade to v1.3. Selecting a point in time the old protocol version stops, all seednodes are upgraded to the new protocol version, users upgrade to the new protocol version then or in the future, and the blockchain continues. This is what I mean by 'big bang'. Protocol version cannot be changed while in use. We can't create a condition that says at 'this' block height, start using a new protocol version. A protocol version upgrade must be 'big bang', all or nothing. When you think about it, and for reasons like you stated including people's reluctancey to upgrade, 'big bang' is the only proper way to implement a hardfork. The hardfork itself will happen at a later point in time on the new protocol version blockchain and, yes, with the condition test of at 'this' block introduce a new PoS block difficulty mininum. Thus not necessarily slowing down the network, but preventing it from going so fast concensus is not formed before nodes start building on to, what they think is, the correct blockchain height. We can't have old wallets introducing new blocks that do not meet the new validity rules after the hardfork and we can't have other old wallets verifying those blocks after the hardfork. Big bang (protocol upgrade) is the only way for us to stop that. Also, the source code not being made publically available until that time. I of course can private repo the change and review with any community member that wishes to see them. Giving forewarning is not beneficial in any other way than letting people know to not to try and move any coins after the time of the big bang until they upgrade. But they will not be able to upgrade until the time of the big bang when new wallets, containing the protocol upgrade and the forthcoming hardfork code, are made available. People that do not have the time to upgrade, no worries, don't upgrade until you have time. But you will have to resync if you run the old version past the time of the big bang. If you do not run the old version past the time of big bang, you can upgrade at your convenience. But you will not be able to stake or move coins until you do upgrade. So, why the urgency? The issues are holding the project back and for that I sincerely apologize and wish to change. Not only does it eat away at any time for further development, we are at risk of losing services. It is no secret I have been giving great effort to make EGC user friendly to new comers. The tasks of having to verify blockchains and resyncing defeats those efforts. The sooner we can put them behind us, the better. |
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Please check your copy of the EverGreenCoin blockchain via the official block explorer, transactions.evergreencoin.org at your earliest convenience. A low peer count at seednodes has indicated some wallets are in an unintentional fork.
On a more promising note, I have been testing code for another hardfork. This code is generating the desired effect and should prevent these unintentional forks from forming. My plan is to big bang and hardfork the network again. If testing continues to be favorable, this will occur this weekend. I have already made exchanges aware of this plan and its possible execution this weekend. Of course, more details to come.
I am away from my desk and out of contact right now and for the next 4 hours. I am at a licensure class to get a license to spread fertilizer on my own property. :/
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Thanks for adding EverGreenCoin. I am not personally familiar with your service and can't vouch for its credibility, but... http://cryptiply.com/?r=1301  They are offering 5% return over 20 hours or double return over 10 days - this is a HYIP - looks like a pretty risky investment. I'm sticking to 7% a year in staking - much safer in my opinion. Remember the golden rule - if it seems too good to be true, it usually is... Maybe Coin-Horse can elaborate for us. At his or her convenience. |
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Yobit is down at the momment,what a profesional site.
Thanks for the heads up! |
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Thanks for posting this, Bow! I do hope we see more opinions and involvement in the forums. |
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EverGreenCoin has been added to voting at LiveCoin.net, https://www.livecoin.net/voting/index?vote=EverGreenCoinYou do need a LiveCoin.net accout to vote, https://livecoin.net/?from=Livecoin-wUzRgTpD (referral link) The process of adding new coins to the exchange takes place regularly, but resources are limited so we have to approach the matter selectively. We choose coins from this list in accordance with different factors such as number of votes, complexity of implementation etc. We focus our attention on coins from the TOP 3 of the list.
You can vote for FREE once every 30 days if your account is active. We consider an account active if any amount of funds (or cryptocurrency) was credited at least once.
You can pay (a development donation of sorts) and vote unlimited times, this speeds up the process of coin implementation. Choose the desired amount of votes for your coin and press the vote button. The price of one PAID vote is 0.0001 BTC. Ensure that you have the required amount of BTC in your balance before voting. |
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Hi everyone,
I know I promised a summary of the community meeting today. Sorry, I am having to report it so late in the day, but my day had a few unanticipated 'lessons'.
To recap this past weekend's community meeting, once a handful of participants had joined, I opened the meeting with the items I knew everyone would be curious about. I tried to summarise the status of these items completely and answer obvious questions before they needed to be asked.
First, the Android wallet. As I have mentioned here in the thread, the Android dev had been progressing nicely. Unfortunately, we have encountered a small speed bump in that development. The speed bump comes from the ABE block explorer, that if you remember was made for the purpose of the Android wallet, reporting orphan blocks to the Android wallet. The orphan block having no proceeding block would break the Android app as it expects to find a next block. Of course, the resolution to this is to not have the ABE report orphans. EverGreenCoin's good friend Brooks and I have already almost completed the task of having the ABE verify it is not reporting an orphan before it actually reports the block. We fully expect to have this completed before mid-week so that the Android dev can continue. I told meeting participants I do have confidence the Android wallet will be complete in February and I can provide the community with some screenshots very soon to demonstrate the progress.
Second, Poloniex. I have been asked over social media more than a few times recently if I know people that work for Polo. Somehow an assumption had been formed that I could pull strings at Polo. I do not know any of Polo's staff and can not pull any strings at Polo to get EverGreenCoin listed faster. I have received no communications from Polo and I only have the information that can be read by anyone on their website. All that I do know is that we can continue to tweet at them and continue to fill out coin request forms. We can also ask others to fill out coin request forms.
Third, solar staker. I have shipped 4 of the CHIPs to community members willing to contribute to development and testing. I have a 5ht that I intended to ship, but appears to be faulty from the manufacturer. I have a 6th that is my own testing unit and is the one I have reported on in this thread on more than one occasion. We had been dealing with CHIPs dropping wifi signal and writing errors to the NAND memory used for storage. Both of these issues do seem have been resolved by revisions to the firmware but, of course time was spent in troubleshooting and communicating with the manufacturer. We do now have EverGreenCoin daemons running reliably on the CHIP hardware and staking EverGreenCoin. Last week I did receive my first shipment of solar panels and eagerly anticipate the ordered batteries. I do fully intend to have the Foundation's coins staking via solar power and faucet paymnets sent via solar power and a beta solar staker in the near future.
Forth, EverGreenCoin's very good friend in IRC that goes by "Chicago" has spent time customising a tool to make linear bootstraps compatible with X15 and therefore EverGreenCoin. He has been successful in building a linear bootstrap up to the latest checkpoint. We have tested the linear bootstrap and, by ways of ignoring orphan blocks and not storing them, has reduced the blockchain size by 6%. We intend to populate the seednodes with this 'cleaner' and smaller copy of the blockchain thus shaving time off the time needed to synchronise.
Additional discussions during the meeting included Vindyne8. Some members of the community expressed dissatisfaction with results of the Vindyne8 promotion. I mentioned, as I have in this thread, a direct result of the Vindyne8 promotion was the opening of communications between a few like-minded organisations and warned that with still a week to go of the promotion, we should not be to quick to judge. I am of the impression some participants expected more immediate influence on price. After the promotion is over this weekend, we can take a closer look at the metrics we observed prior to the promotion starting and make better judgement on its success rate. I have been going through EverGreenCoin's history and tweeting some old, yet still relevant and positive, information to maximise our investment. I ask the community to please let me know if they have any ideas for tweets I should be tweeting. You can let me know or simply tweet the tweet yourself and include @EverGreenCoin_ or the #EverGreenCoin hashtag as I do search for the hashtag and keyword daily and certainly would retweet the tweet. Vindyne8 would then retweet it having seen EverGreenCoin tweet it.
Also, more promotional efforts were discussed. This is why we are preparing banner ads like the one pictured in posts just prior to this one. We may be crowdfunding for advertising on coin market cap and Google AdWords. Expect more details of those promotions early this week.
Ok, I think I touched on most all the discussions during the meeting. I apologise for having to summarise the meeting and not posting a link to a recording. I hope I can find the time to master the recording software and streaming software in the near future and get in functional with my low bandwidth. I thank all those that attended and the next EverGreenCoin Community Hangout and Meeting will be on February 25th at 17:00 GMT (Noon EST). As always, see you there!
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A well timed banner =) How did the community meetup go? - sorry I missed it again - we were out hiking (in the cold) and it took a little longer than expected. Also, do you need a webcam and microphone for google hangouts? If so, I may have struggled. Hi starmman, The meeting was good. I have been meaning to type up a brief summary of it and post it. I will do so today. No need for apologies, a webcam, or a mic! I know everyone has busy schedules. If it would help anyone to attend by me moving it forward some, I can an hour or two. At the present starting time (17:00 GMT) it makes it 9 A.M. for the west coast states here and 10:30 P.M. for the community members in India. I do my best to balance it for everyone that lets me know they wish to attend. There is group text chat in google hangouts, so no, webcam or mic is not needed. In fact most the participants only use the group chat. Again, I will get the brief summary from the meeting posted today. |
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A friendly reminder that the next EverGreenCoin community meeting will be Saturday, January 28th, at 17:00 GMT. About 48 hours from the time of this writing.
I will post a link prior to the meeting starting. All are welcome and I hope to see you there!
EDIT: sorry, wrong day originally posted. The above is correct.
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For those that do not follow EverGreenCoin on twitter, in the Slack/ IRC, or in Telegram, Bow has been exercising his creativity with these artistic EverGreenCoin Trees. We are experimenting with fiber optics in them also, the light source possibly coming from a CHIP staking EverGreenCoin. The first pictured here he made from an old non-functional keyboard. One less for the landfills! They will be available in the marketplace in the near future.    Give Bow a follow on twitter to see his latest creations. He has many others pictured there already. |
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Thanks for conducting the above experiment, Chicago.
I do know only 18 of the 25 CWI seednodes were up and running during your tests. 1 was down for maintenance and 6 are yet to come online and the DNS just resolves redundantly to another that is presently online.
But that still leaves a big discrepancy. I will get with Crysx and see if we can find the culprit of it.
Thanks again for your time and bringing this to attention.
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The delisting warning at C-Cex has already been removed.
Thanks everyone!
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We do have a delisting warning at C-Cex. If anyone can bring some volume to C-Cex to hep prevent that, it would be greatly appreciated. If you are in a position to do so and will, thank you in advance. I dont have a C-cex account yet. What kind of volume do we need, and how much are we pulling now? Did they give us a time limit? According to their website, 30 days from yesterday the 18th is the time limit. .2 BTC average daily is the requirement. Yesterday we had over .75 BTC last I had checked. This is the exact date of mongolian new year. Delisting would be imminent unless someone puts up buy and sell walls spaced by 1 satoshi, and sells or buys into them, producing fake volume. He would need to put these walls up again, and flip them. Though theres no point in doing that coz ccex is believed to close before sunday. There is a strong community behind this and they are going to support the coin and try to get it off the de-listing. Jump on board while they are still cheap. They just launched a new website and there are many green initiatives on the table. Seems like a solid project! Thank you for the kind words and support, noormcs5! EverGreenCoin does have a very strong community and we are growing. We are getting attention in the green industry by green merchants, consumers, and other environmental organisations alike. The Vindyne8 promotion has been successfully raising awareness even outside of crypto. A search for "environment" on twitter now has EverGreenCoin in the results! I have been in communication with kidsbetterworld.com after they reached out to us, having learned of us via another environmental organisation retweeting us. I know Bow has been in communication with many organisations, not limited to the cannabis industry. Word is spreading and some new seeds are being sowed. As far as c-cex, we had well over 3 BTC in volume today. With days like that in the average calculation, the requirement will easily be exceeded. I thank all that have helped with that! Have a nice weekend everyone! |
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We do have a delisting warning at C-Cex. If anyone can bring some volume to C-Cex to hep prevent that, it would be greatly appreciated. If you are in a position to do so and will, thank you in advance. I dont have a C-cex account yet. What kind of volume do we need, and how much are we pulling now? Did they give us a time limit? According to their website, 30 days from yesterday the 18th is the time limit. .2 BTC average daily is the requirement. Yesterday we had over .75 BTC last I had checked. |
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Please do not move any EverGreenCoin to or from any exchange. The network is having issues and we need time to sort it out. Sorry for the inconvenience. EDIT: Please allow me time to get the block explorer correct with the checkpoint server before you rely on it. EDIT 2: The explorer is up. ./evergreencoind getblockhash 845869 01bb31184a7e5ec016de7783638fa89ecd9b2b46d2925ce6f65b16719d8bda85 EDIT 3: Bittrex and YoBit are confirmed to be on the correct blockchain. EDIT 4: C-Cex and Cryptopia are confirmed to be on the correct blockchain as well. |
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