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1101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CON] PayCon™ POS 30 Coins per Block - Get your CON on! on: June 02, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Hey I got everything sorted out much faster than anticipated Smiley
1102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ ANN ] Transit Coin [ TNT } on: June 01, 2015, 12:34:48 AM
where is the source of Transit Coin?

Do you have a github or something? I'd like to see the source as well. Thanks. Wink

yes once we finish our node setup and mining setup we will release it on github.



So let me get this straight, you are preselling Coins at $1 each when the sourcecode cannot be verified on an exchange that expects people to wade through manual withdrawals?

No at present we are not selling anything out side our investors. If someone want to buy they can use exchange for that. How the withdrawals are handled by exchange is the problem of person responsible for that. They can impliment whatever they feel right for the secure working of exchange.

And at present only way to get coin was from http://tntcoin.com faucet other than exchange.

Who are these investors?
1103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Team Corona Deleting Posts Already on: June 01, 2015, 12:22:26 AM
Actually they did not answer aside from saying they have put thought into their magic index and that more information will be available later.
Their claim is to prevent market manipulation before their fundraiser but if their index is so special and well thought out then it should be able to account for manipulation since it supposedly determines a coin's "true value".
So still no real answers, just BS.

And... This is Bitcointalk, if they are going to get so butthurt over simple inquiries when they make grand claims they should find a new hobby.

You are right about this, ambiguous information and saying information will come later is a big red flag, someone should start a "soon" thread.

Quote

It's a new distribution model that will be introduced in the coming fundraiser for Corona.
We are quickly approaching the time in which all the info will be unveiled.

1104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ ANN ] Transit Coin [ TNT } on: June 01, 2015, 12:09:12 AM
where is the source of Transit Coin?

Do you have a github or something? I'd like to see the source as well. Thanks. Wink

yes once we finish our node setup and mining setup we will release it on github.



So let me get this straight, you are preselling Coins at $1 each when the sourcecode cannot be verified on an exchange that expects people to wade through manual withdrawals?
1105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 11:55:15 PM
User joining tntswap.com with masked email address will be banned immediately. Thanks

WTF does that even mean?  Huh Whatever, you are sure going through a lot of trouble to keep people away from your exchange. Anyone reading this should use their common sense and stay away from this shitshow.

It means: This exchange is already doomed by the taint of paycoin scam, and will flounder like mineral etc. 

Meanwhile, let the shit-show continue. Popcorn on standby, even though -



1106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
LOL. I especially like the part about Coldcoiner saying "You are obviously not from tech field". LMAO. And then going off on your position with GAW, as if that means anything to the discussion.

Also: I notice a lot of the same phrases being used by CC and TNTswap here: Bro, Mate, etc. I am thinking they are the same person.  Bro= USA Mate = UK or Australia. That is not a common thing to mix those words, unless of course, the person saying them is not from either of those places.

I give it a 98% chance they are the same person, same abysmal use of grammar and spelling, same attacks and trying to shift blame when asked to provide proof.


Still thinking about throwing your money away to this exchange? Here is a quote from his "partner" who also has NO FUCKING CLUE

Quote
yes its clear in the thread tittle.

even i am not any way involved in the XPY devloper or investor team i done my best to support XPY and also created XPY payment gateway with the support of Community and also working on web wallet for XPY and fiat to XPY option.

and the guy is releasing idiotic statement and blocking threads so that no one can post reply. Is he suffering from schizophrenia

or he is losing mental control because he was not able to capture one prime controller  


its the statement about @miaviator  link already posted here and he is not my partner i am working for him. and tc time to leave till tomorrow try to find some more theories Smiley
 
https://archive.is/rWBQ7

Right, well I guess your "boss" would have someone handle the escrow then for the bounty and prove the address then, or apologize to everyone for wasting their time and rescind the offer.

We are back to "put up or shut up"
1107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 11:15:09 PM
LOL. I especially like the part about Coldcoiner saying "You are obviously not from tech field". LMAO. And then going off on your position with GAW, as if that means anything to the discussion.

Also: I notice a lot of the same phrases being used by CC and TNTswap here: Bro, Mate, etc. I am thinking they are the same person.  Bro= USA Mate = UK or Australia. That is not a common thing to mix those words, unless of course, the person saying them is not from either of those places.

I give it a 98% chance they are the same person, same abysmal use of grammar and spelling, same attacks and trying to shift blame when asked to provide proof.


Still thinking about throwing your money away to this exchange? Here is a quote from his "partner" Coldcoiner who also has NO FUCKING CLUE

Quote
yes its clear in the thread tittle.

even i am not any way involved in the XPY devloper or investor team i done my best to support XPY and also created XPY payment gateway with the support of Community and also working on web wallet for XPY and fiat to XPY option.

and the guy is releasing idiotic statement and blocking threads so that no one can post reply. Is he suffering from schizophrenia

or he is losing mental control because he was not able to capture one prime controller  

1108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 10:43:31 PM
If you had the slightest knowledge of Crypto you would know that an address gives NO clues to a hacker, otherwise every wallet out there would be cleaned out every day. I am calling bullshit, because it is obvious pure bullshit. You do not even know anything about what you are pretending to be providing. Provide the address with the 10,000 XPY or remove the announcement of the bounty, apologize for wasting people's time, and remove any insinuation that this fake bounty proves that you are secure and legitimate. Put up or shut up.

its the thread i posted :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1076195.msg11498243#msg11498243


you morons show me the word bounty and 10K xpy and i will do what ever you say else shut up and get lost u idiots.  Grin



By offering 10k XPY if someone can hack your exchange it is a bounty but it's bullshit since you cannot verify you have the bounty.

ok show me 10K xpy in the post else please don't post shit.

Fuck you asshole. Your partner has been posting the 10,000 XPY bounty, and you are here repeating the challenge, and now you want to play bullshit semantics games, as if what your partner says does not apply to what you say. Fuck that and fuck you, you game playing fucking dirtbag that is asking ME to trust you. The only thing you are proving here is that you are NOT in the slightest way trustworthy, which is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to do- so , please CONTINUE.

you mother fucker who asked you to trust us go and fuck your own ass hole you idiot keep in your limit you morons


I am not asking anybody to trust me at all. Quite the contrary, whenever I mention something I have noticed I encourage people to look at what I have noticed themselves and form their own conclusions. You, on the other hand, are here asking people (myself included) to trust you with their funds. Now you are freaking out and calling me a Mofo. Well, good for you, go right ahead. Let everyone know what the TNTswap operators are like.

Again: Provide the address of the 10,000 XPY bounty, or do the right thing and remove any mention of it , apologize for wasting people's time, and remove any insinuation that this bogus bounty somehow means that TNTswap is legitimate and secure.

If you use abusive launguage against me you will get the reply in same way we are not here for begging so that every one can say what ever they need. and its good to maintain your own self respect else others will not do it .

and if you can show my post regarding 10K xpy i will surely apologize but if you are not able to then shut up and leave the tread. i have my own jobs don't free like you guys. And you are not only posting from last several hours to spread awareness you have a motive behind that no one will waste this much of time any where i think you are with the maviator of scam company gaw thats why you are showing thins much intrest in posting negative against us and spreading fuds.

Don't worry do what ever you need to do Smiley

and don't forget to show me my post where i mentioned 10K xpy bounty or i will think that you are getting mad Smiley

 

Wrong again on all points our dear amateur artist, YOU want to be a professional business but are coming HERE and namecalling when being questioned which further tells me you HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE what you are doing because if you had ANY experience with a company, they would FIRE YOU ON THE SPOT for being abusive back to a potential customer.

Still haven't proved your bounty, still backpeddling and trying to shift blame. Why the obsession with GAW and it being a scam? I thought you are holding 10k XPY for $20?

Please continue.
1109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
If you had the slightest knowledge of Crypto you would know that an address gives NO clues to a hacker, otherwise every wallet out there would be cleaned out every day. I am calling bullshit, because it is obvious pure bullshit. You do not even know anything about what you are pretending to be providing. Provide the address with the 10,000 XPY or remove the announcement of the bounty, apologize for wasting people's time, and remove any insinuation that this fake bounty proves that you are secure and legitimate. Put up or shut up.

its the thread i posted :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1076195.msg11498243#msg11498243


you morons show me the word bounty and 10K xpy and i will do what ever you say else shut up and get lost u idiots.  Grin

Chill out, go grab some curry and kindly FUCK OFF



By offering 10k XPY if someone can hack your exchange it is a bounty but it's bullshit since you cannot verify you have the bounty.

ok show me 10K xpy in the post else please don't post shit.

Fuck you asshole. Your partner has been posting the 10,000 XPY bounty, and you are here repeating the challenge, and now you want to play bullshit semantics games, as if what your partner says does not apply to what you say. Fuck that and fuck you, you game playing fucking dirtbag that is asking ME to trust you. The only thing you are proving here is that you are NOT in the slightest way trustworthy, which is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to do- so , please CONTINUE.

you mother fucker who asked you to trust us go and fuck your own ass hole you idiot keep in your limit you morons

Go back to your day job, Crypto is not for you.

1110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
If you had the slightest knowledge of Crypto you would know that an address gives NO clues to a hacker, otherwise every wallet out there would be cleaned out every day. I am calling bullshit, because it is obvious pure bullshit. You do not even know anything about what you are pretending to be providing. Provide the address with the 10,000 XPY or remove the announcement of the bounty, apologize for wasting people's time, and remove any insinuation that this fake bounty proves that you are secure and legitimate. Put up or shut up.

its the thread i posted :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1076195.msg11498243#msg11498243


you morons show me the word bounty and 10K xpy and i will do what ever you say else shut up and get lost u idiots.  Grin

Chill out, go grab some curry and kindly FUCK OFF



By offering 10k XPY if someone can hack your exchange it is a bounty but it's bullshit since you cannot verify you have the bounty.

ok show me 10K xpy in the post else please don't post shit.



Your exchange is only an accounting table and you handle your transactions manually (which makes it a poor excuse for an exchange), therefore you cannot hack the exchange and steal the 10,000 XPY because it is only numbers on the screen and doesn't actually exist.

1111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 10:04:38 PM
If you had the slightest knowledge of Crypto you would know that an address gives NO clues to a hacker, otherwise every wallet out there would be cleaned out every day. I am calling bullshit, because it is obvious pure bullshit. You do not even know anything about what you are pretending to be providing. Provide the address with the 10,000 XPY or remove the announcement of the bounty, apologize for wasting people's time, and remove any insinuation that this fake bounty proves that you are secure and legitimate. Put up or shut up.

its the thread i posted :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1076195.msg11498243#msg11498243


you morons show me the word bounty and 10K xpy and i will do what ever you say else shut up and get lost u idiots.  Grin

Chill out, go grab some curry and kindly FUCK OFF



By offering 10k XPY if someone can hack your exchange it is a bounty but it's bullshit since you cannot verify you have the bounty.
1112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 09:50:24 PM
So you are saying you are doing a swap of XPY to TNT and TNT will have a floor of $1 a Coin but I see so many holes in this that it cannot possibly work.

1. There is no mention about the amount of premine, even sourcecode and the source is a direct copy of XPY (which is shit code itself)

2. Promises of $1 a Coin which is absolute bullshit because there is no transparency into who is financing that or anything remotely detailed.

3. Scam exchange which guarantees 100% hack proof which is not possible and since TNT is using bought and newbie accounts, it is very likely that there will be a "hack" where Coins are just sold off.

4. Shitty designs of everything, lack of complete comprehension of basic language, Cryptocurrency and 0% proof of anything.


YOUR COIN IS NOT WORTH $1 A COIN BECAUSE IT TAKES 1 HOUR TO CLONE SOURCECODE

After the initial pump and dump the amount of sell pressure will break your pseudo $1 wall, of course that doesn't matter if you are holding all the Hyper-Inflating Hybrid Flex Cashtakers.

i am not handling TNT coin please post your queries in Transit Coin thread. i am here to manage the tntswap.com exchange and only able to provide you with answers related to that and no we are not swaping xpy with TNT coin. You can trade  XPY, TNT, bitgold at the movement and we are adding other coins also.


and there will be no pump or dumps no one will get coins for free to dump the minimum value will be 1$/coin.


Ok well you are a newbie account so who is running this exchange then?

Either you can be known and trusted through time and all members are known and trusted by the community or be able to provide 100% proof of your identity and all identities of everyone on your exchange. Also, buying some high ranking account doesn't work since people can know straight away whether an account was bought or not.

Also, still waiting for you to prove that you own this 10,000 XPY bounty on being able to hack your exchange.

i am responsible for managing the tntswap.com and we registered new account because we don't think its fair to start with bought account etc. And i am first time here on bitcointalk.org i am not from crypto field field my first crypto experience was with XPY and that was to bad i am from I.T background. we will publish all our identity when we go for crowd funding in the near future and we love people to trust us on the basis of their experience with us.

and if you register on exchange and just look at the deposit address you can find the XPY holding details.
and why everyone is so curious about the 10K xpy even i personally have $K xpy in my cryptsy wallet Wink waiting for 20$

 

So you have no plans to provide any kind of transparency and expect users to trust you now while they wait for the magical day in the future when you will reveal all, sounds super legit.

I also never asked about whether you were part of XPY or not but seeing as you want to bring your hang-ups then I think you are an idiot then because you are still hanging on and shilling for $20 when it would take a billion dollars of investment in order to reach that value.

You come here shilling your great exchange pretending to be a professional when your handling withdrawals manually? That's a joke right? Tech-support in India does not count as an IT background when your primary job is asking people if their computer is plugged in.
1113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 08:56:09 PM
So you are saying you are doing a swap of XPY to TNT and TNT will have a floor of $1 a Coin but I see so many holes in this that it cannot possibly work.

1. There is no mention about the amount of premine, even sourcecode and the source is a direct copy of XPY (which is shit code itself)

2. Promises of $1 a Coin which is absolute bullshit because there is no transparency into who is financing that or anything remotely detailed.

3. Scam exchange which guarantees 100% hack proof which is not possible and since TNT is using bought and newbie accounts, it is very likely that there will be a "hack" where Coins are just sold off.

4. Shitty designs of everything, lack of complete comprehension of basic language, Cryptocurrency and 0% proof of anything.


YOUR COIN IS NOT WORTH $1 A COIN BECAUSE IT TAKES 1 HOUR TO CLONE SOURCECODE

After the initial pump and dump the amount of sell pressure will break your pseudo $1 wall, of course that doesn't matter if you are holding all the Hyper-Inflating Hybrid Flex Cashtakers.

i am not handling TNT coin please post your queries in Transit Coin thread. i am here to manage the tntswap.com exchange and only able to provide you with answers related to that and no we are not swaping xpy with TNT coin. You can trade  XPY, TNT, bitgold at the movement and we are adding other coins also.


and there will be no pump or dumps no one will get coins for free to dump the minimum value will be 1$/coin.


Ok well you are a newbie account so who is running this exchange then?

Either you can be known and trusted through time and all members are known and trusted by the community or be able to provide 100% proof of your identity and all identities of everyone on your exchange. Also, buying some high ranking account doesn't work since people can know straight away whether an account was bought or not.

Also, still waiting for you to prove that you own this 10,000 XPY bounty on being able to hack your exchange.
1114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: May 31, 2015, 08:39:23 PM
So you are saying you are doing a swap of XPY to TNT and TNT will have a floor of $1 a Coin but I see so many holes in this that it cannot possibly work.

1. There is no mention about the amount of premine, even sourcecode and the source is a direct copy of XPY (which is shit code itself)

2. Promises of $1 a Coin which is absolute bullshit because there is no transparency into who is financing that or anything remotely detailed.

3. Scam exchange which guarantees 100% hack proof which is not possible and since TNT is using bought and newbie accounts, it is very likely that there will be a "hack" where Coins are just sold off.

4. Shitty designs of everything, lack of complete comprehension of basic language, Cryptocurrency and 0% proof of anything.


YOUR COIN IS NOT WORTH $1 A COIN BECAUSE IT TAKES 1 HOUR TO CLONE SOURCECODE

After the initial pump and dump the amount of sell pressure will break your pseudo $1 wall, of course that doesn't matter if you are holding all the Hyper-Inflating Hybrid Flex Cashtakers.
1115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [HYP] HyperStake | High PoS | Secure | MultiSend | liteStake | Adv Coin Control on: May 31, 2015, 07:49:30 PM
Okay, one last thing. I have setted up a .conf like the guide says, am i missing anything?
Code:
rpcuser=hyperstakecrew
rpcpassword=AUeYFdcL6r8YXurj23xLbIAVsxVflN7R
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
gen=0
server=1
daemon=1
listen=1

If that is the password you are using, you should change it and not be posting it publically, it doesn't pose an immediate risk but better to be safe than sorry.
1116  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY CPIG BTCLend xpyerr.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: May 31, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
Looks like Josh's "goodbye for now" post has been deleted (previously https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37911/). Did he change his mind? I bet he'll return to launch the three new platforms.

The dude seriously needs to be medicated Sad

This is some crazy bi-polar shit we're witnessing.

I think he changed his mind when he realized that no one really cares about him bitching about his problems.

Wants to pretend to be CEO but needs everyone to sympathize and coddle him every time something goes wrong, while still not even offering or discussing a solution. I really can't recall any point where he ever mentioned any kind of coding or pushed any coding to Github himself, how do you expect to be this great "CEO" if the basic user knows Crypto better than you do?

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1117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devs need to fuck off with their useless ico scam coins! on: May 31, 2015, 05:26:12 PM
Expenses you are referring to are not correct, because you will also need to pay for github, domain and hosting. We are talking to use trusted companies with stable services, not your old computer in the basement. Smiley Otherwise our opinios on how it has to be done are pretty much the same.

I have never paid for github or domains, hosting is only needed until the network can run itself so it still doesn't really tell me why you need to have an ICO.

A coin is not only a working network. It needs to have some "face" too, and that requires some services and payments. There is no need to discuss this further, because everyone has their own opinion and what he needs for his project. We are also going out of the subject of the thread.

The reason why I kinda approve ICO is because I am seeing it as a real investment in the real world. Kinda like some inventors needs some amount of money to further develop their creation. We are not talking about $60 or $60 million, because it's irrelevant with the subject too. The only question is how those funds are used and the answer here in the world of cryptocurrencies is obvious - mostly to take them and run away.


I just don't think I can recall any ICO besides NXT that made people money. I wasn't really even discussing whether or not an ICO is a scam in itself because there are and have been Coins that have done ICO's which were not scams. My reasoning was that for whatever ICO is held, there would need to be atleast that amount or even double that in future funding in order to pay it off where ICO investors could make profit and the people buying on the market could also make profit.

The way the ICO's are done are flawed as well because if it doesn't sell out then the remaining Coins are sent to an unspendable address and that gives it an inflated marketcap and fucks up the Block explorer.

Ok so what is your solution then to the ICO problem? Remember that ID's can be faked, also that an ICO could be inadequate for the amount of funding needed so then how do you retain funding after that is gone?

Let's say you are interested in just working on a Coin, you would need around 2k USD per month per person working on the project in order to live comfortably and have money to pay existing developers within the community to help you with the things that are out of your reach.
1118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devs need to fuck off with their useless ico scam coins! on: May 31, 2015, 08:57:17 AM
Expenses you are referring to are not correct, because you will also need to pay for github, domain and hosting. We are talking to use trusted companies with stable services, not your old computer in the basement. Smiley Otherwise our opinios on how it has to be done are pretty much the same.

Since when were we referring to trusted companies with stable services? A Coin is run by people and not companies, otherwise the funding would already be there.

I have never paid for github or domains, hosting is only needed until the network can run itself so it still doesn't really tell me why you need to have an ICO.
1119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devs need to fuck off with their useless ico scam coins! on: May 31, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
You don't really need an ICO, if you launch without one you can just wait until the initial mining dump finishes and begin buying, you could easily get 15-20% of the Coin for cheap and then just continue developing on it and you get the best of both worlds. If you launch without an ICO and buy from the market and are able to buy larger amounts then you would have had to buy from miners/stakers so assuming there was no deception, you can attain more than what could have been had by premining and can resale or give those Coins away to help stimulate development without having to worry about the accounting of it.

I am completely agree with you, but in order to achieve that you must have money to start. Smiley Let's say you have some funds, good ideas and such, but those coins/your project are/is worthless (people are not buying it). I am not going to teach you on how much funds a project could require if we assume that you are failing for let's say months. Smiley

Well a project costs virtually nothing to run and then to develop on, if someone can't maintain costs to the point where it is self sustainable then that person shouldn't be developing on the project. Raising 30k funding for whatever project doesn't mean it would be used wisely even if it were spent on development.

Let's think bigger for a bit. What if the dev (if we are talking about coins) is from Democratic Republic of Congo were average household income is like $400/year?
To support altcoin for like a year, you will need at least let's say $300-$500 for the accounts/hosting (such as github/domain) and to support the network. Not to mention your work and passion involved. How about if you suck on designing and such and you need some specialists in that field? You must pay them with something. You have like the best idea in the world, but you don't have money for it. How will you feel then if you have like the best coin out there, but trolls in here are not "supporting" it, pumping it etc... your work will be priced at -1 litoshi.

That is why I think that in some specific cases ICO's are not a bad thing. The world is running with investments since the beginning.

...if someone can't maintain costs to the point where it is self sustainable then that person shouldn't be developing on the project.

How about if we think about the idea first and then for the money involved? With that way of thinking many projects should not start at all.... cryptocurrencies included.

Even if they are from the Democratic Republican of the Congo, the actual costs to run a network are like $60 a year assuming you are atleast hosting 1 node, other than that it might be maybe $20 in electricity costs. If you suck at designing and need to pay specialists, well you could premine whatever you need from the Coin and use that for payment, or set it up in a way where that amount could be possible. If you truly suck at doing that stuff that much (paint shop pro and others are easy to use) then again I would question as to why they are there in the first place.

Basically whatever ICO is collected, that is the amount of future funding that is needed to pay off that amount so you are working with future debt rather than a free-floating market which is what you want.

I bought about 20% of PayCon for under $1000, used that for lots of promotion and development and got a lot done with it, built a very large base of people around it and at any given time I get more than 50 connections to the network. For me that is ok, my costs are nothing now and the money spent was worth it for me to learn the things I did and the network itself is profitable because by now everyone could have achieved ROI.

Trolls will only support something that can make them money, that is the simple truth in the matter. You think it's the trolls that don't support something? all you do is have to do is give the trolls what they want, after all a troll is only a person who is actively interested in Crypto and generally knows their stuff.
1120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devs need to fuck off with their useless ico scam coins! on: May 31, 2015, 06:54:07 AM
You don't really need an ICO, if you launch without one you can just wait until the initial mining dump finishes and begin buying, you could easily get 15-20% of the Coin for cheap and then just continue developing on it and you get the best of both worlds. If you launch without an ICO and buy from the market and are able to buy larger amounts then you would have had to buy from miners/stakers so assuming there was no deception, you can attain more than what could have been had by premining and can resale or give those Coins away to help stimulate development without having to worry about the accounting of it.

I am completely agree with you, but in order to achieve that you must have money to start. Smiley Let's say you have some funds, good ideas and such, but those coins/your project are/is worthless (people are not buying it). I am not going to teach you on how much funds a project could require if we assume that you are failing for let's say months. Smiley

Well a project costs virtually nothing to run and then to develop on, if someone can't maintain costs to the point where it is self sustainable then that person shouldn't be developing on the project. Raising 30k funding for whatever project doesn't mean it would be used wisely even if it were spent on development.
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