This really only tells us that more Bitcoins are moving through the blockchain. That doesn't tell us that actual spending is increasing. With the rise in prices and plentiful press, it's logical that "transactions" are up because Bitcoins are moving to and from wallets. So "transactions" being up really only equals increased activity not necessarily increased spending. So you are claiming most of the increased activity is due to people moving their own funds around? I find that less likely, but you are welcome to believe what you want.
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I'm not sure the government can take over BTC. In order to buy it up they'd have to give out USD or accept bitcoin for some ... service? They can only buy directly what people want to cash out for, and after a certain point nobody's going to want USD so they'll be giving thousands of dollars away for each BTC, so if the government wants to crash Bitcoin at that point they'd be sinking their own ship because they own so much BTC.
I doubt that the US government is particularly concerned about bitcoin at this point, aside from figuring out potential ways to regulate and tax it (which I think is what the hearing on November 18 will be about?) I'm not sure why they would want to "take it over", but if it reaches a point where they feel it's a threat in the form of money laundering, I'm sure they would just close the exchanges down or forbid banks from allowing bitcoin transactions, which would essentially destroy it. They are certainly paying attention. We'll see how they feel on Monday when they have the senate hearing on Bitcoin, but it is called by the Homeland Security Committee, so I doubt it will be about taxation.
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Someone needs to get a bitcoinica clone going for litecoin.
Bitfinex trades LTC.
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We already had a whole thread in the main section of this forum and not one shred of definitive proof so, just because a "Bitcoin" company says it, doesn't make it true. And this thread certainly doesn't help that argument either. Just saying. I personally agree though. Why spend something today that could be worth a lot more tomorrow? I regret every Bitcoin spent. Maybe Bitcoin will defy logic and then again...maybe we'll just make as much money as we can before it implodes. Only time will tell. In the end, don't be mad at me, I didn't write the article. Looks like people are spending bitcoin: http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?showDataPoints=false×pan=&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7&scale=0&address=Bitcoin days destroyed is up too, so old coins are moving.
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BTW I was one of the only people to call the last spike a bubble when it was happening, took a lot of heat for it, but was ultimately correct and bought back in for around $70 - giving me more than double the coins I had previous to the post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169651.0so at least I have a track record - on record. only this time I will be very cautious about buying back in, I have traded many chinese "instruments" (which is basically what bitcoin is now), and I can tell you straight up that they are crazy, the go to even more extremes than western markets - in both the up and the down. I think it goes with the asian culture of feeling more comfortable being in a group, they seem to have less of a sense of individuality, so they are even more comfortable in a herd mentality. But that is just my psyche 101 on them, it could be BS. Good job selling over $100 before the top. Certainly a record worth bragging about ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) .
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Merchant reports notme claims that spending goes up when price increases. FTFY ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Seriously though, others have made that same statement but there seems no actual proof. You can start here: http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/04/bitpay-eclipses-silk-road-in-bitcoin.htmlThere are other, probably better articles, but I really don't care to prove anything to you when you can do a little legwork yourself.
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Merchant reports claim that spending goes up when price increases.
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True/false?
If so, seems like a fun thing to tell the press about. Not only are we reaching new all time highs, but we're doing it at the fastest rate ever!
Rate implies percentage. Largest nominal gain does not mean largest percent increase.
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Knowing that a dollar bill can be divided into 100 pennies does not change my opinion of dollars.
And what if it was decided one day that it could be divided into 1000? Dividing a dollar into 1000 (or even 1,000,000) is not the same thing as debasement. Not the same thing at all. Just think about it for a while. No, but for the sake of argument we are assuming that the dollar is like Bitcoin and limited to a certain number of dollar units. So dollars are limited to a certain number of dollar units? That makes this hard to explain: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fresearch.stlouisfed.org%2Ffred2%2Fgraph%2Ffredgraph.png%3F%26id%3DBASE%26scale%3DLeft%26range%3DMax%26cosd%3D1984-02-15%26coed%3D2013-10-30%26line_color%3D%25230000ff%26link_values%3Dfalse%26line_style%3DSolid%26mark_type%3DNONE%26mw%3D4%26lw%3D1%26ost%3D-99999%26oet%3D99999%26mma%3D0%26fml%3Da%26fq%3DBi-Weekly%252C%2BEnding%2BWednesday%26fam%3Davg%26fgst%3Dlin%26transformation%3Dlin%26vintage_date%3D2013-11-13%26revision_date%3D2013-11-13&t=663&c=tXmoHJliH4lW-Q) So, would your criticism of the dollar be made moot if a superdollar was created which was worth say 1 million normal dollars? Where did I criticize the dollar? I only showed a graph that indicates the number of dollar units has been drastically increasing, which directly contradicted your claim. But, let's assume I did. Making a 1 million dollar bill would not be any different from 1 million $1 bills other than it is slightly cheaper to produce and move around.
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Knowing that a dollar bill can be divided into 100 pennies does not change my opinion of dollars.
And what if it was decided one day that it could be divided into 1000? Dividing a dollar into 1000 (or even 1,000,000) is not the same thing as debasement. Not the same thing at all. Just think about it for a while. No, but for the sake of argument we are assuming that the dollar is like Bitcoin and limited to a certain number of dollar units. So dollars are limited to a certain number of dollar units? That makes this hard to explain: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fresearch.stlouisfed.org%2Ffred2%2Fgraph%2Ffredgraph.png%3F%26id%3DBASE%26scale%3DLeft%26range%3DMax%26cosd%3D1984-02-15%26coed%3D2013-10-30%26line_color%3D%25230000ff%26link_values%3Dfalse%26line_style%3DSolid%26mark_type%3DNONE%26mw%3D4%26lw%3D1%26ost%3D-99999%26oet%3D99999%26mma%3D0%26fml%3Da%26fq%3DBi-Weekly%252C%2BEnding%2BWednesday%26fam%3Davg%26fgst%3Dlin%26transformation%3Dlin%26vintage_date%3D2013-11-13%26revision_date%3D2013-11-13&t=663&c=tXmoHJliH4lW-Q)
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It can operate transparently until someone with too much trust defaults. If all the people who trusted them can't back up the defaulter's debts, said default will "ripple" and likely knock quite a few decent people off of the network.
What you've said is no different than any Bitcoin exchange, so I fail to see how this is a relevant point. In fact, how many recent stories of Bitcoin defaults and disappearances do we have? I see 2 right now on the front page of Coindesk.com. And let's not forget Tradefortress, Mr. RippleScam himself, who turned out to be the scammer after all. I think many people's opposition to Ripple is they simply don't understand debt or IOU's. They run to put money on exchanges and then bash Ripple. They cheer at the mere thought of Paypal accepting Bitcoin but bash Ripple. Ignorance at it's finest and that is understandable. New financial tech that requires people take control of their own finances does need to come with a certain amount of education. Maybe it's fairer to say, Ripple hasen't been the best at educating people beyond tech, but then the same also holds true for Bitcoin. That's why I don't keep significant assets on exchanges or in third party wallets of any sort. IOU != underlying asset and Ripple does its best to sweep that under the rug. For bitcoin, being able to hold the underlying asset directly is one of the main selling points.
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The main thing is if I trust Bitstamp to do my BTC business on it, I trust them to do my Ripple stuff. I don't care about philosophizing with tech terms and such bullshit who trust who, bla-bla-bla...
Bitcoin enthusiasts should be last in line to preach about security, trust and similar stuff with robberies and hacks happening daily in their industry.
I think that's pretty much going to be the view of Ripple as more infrastructure comes online. Most people will never even know they are using Ripple and won't care that it is powered by Ripple. Just like people use websites and don't know and don't care they are powered by Wordpress. Or as has been repeated constantly, email and SMTP. People don't care how it works, just that it does. That's the beautiful thing about Ripple, it's a true protocol that can operate completely transparently. People know the weaknesses of Bitcoin and it scares them because just as Erik V. said, "the only thing that can kill Bitcoin, is a superior currency" and they worry that Ripple will provide that. So fear, causes them to miss that which is amazing about Ripple as a payment network and distributed exchange and more importantly the benefits it provides to Bitcoin, by making up for many of it's weaknesses. It can operate transparently until someone with too much trust defaults. If all the people who trusted them can't back up the defaulter's debts, said default will "ripple" and likely knock quite a few decent people off of the network.
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Op now its 541,000 buy wall between 400 and 402 so yes....unless a WHALE comes along...I see a downtrend to exploit real soon...converesely the whale seller could stay risky and push their sell walls to a higher number such as 450-475ish...good for my longs...all bad for my short.
Good call ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Seriously guys... if you believe in Bitcoin over the long term fuck trading. Just watch for a year or two. If, at that point, you notice you are able to see market movements, then maybe start some light trading, but never sell more bitcoins than you are willing to lose. Until then, keep your bitcoins safe and just watch the show. You wouldn't believe how many BTC it cost me to learn this lesson.
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You guys literally don't get it. Only 5 percent can take profit. 95 percent have to get burnt.
You literally don't get it. Bitcoin doesn't have to go to zero until something better comes along. Then it will be those who don't accept progress who once again are left with the rubble of the old ways.
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Bitfinex has dark pools. Bitfinex trades on bitstamp.
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Yes, funny, now we have will Bitcoin hit $1000 threads. In another 2 years it might be funny as well
Since the thread started, Bitcoin increased in value 37 times over and its still very much at the geeks and early adopters stage. In 2 years it would be surprising if Bitcoin was worth less than $10000 and that assumes that it still is at early adopter stage. Even if only one small country in the world adopts it, Bitcoin will shoot over $100,000 per coin. How do you justify that last statement when Bitcoin is already more valuable than the base money supply for most small countries?
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Everyone please, stop the madness !
I don't wanna see any more posts (probably americans) with people saying saying China wants to see the USD go down.
This is outright wrong, you need to stop reading this Wall observer and go read the newspapers first.
China is the absolute #1 investor in USD. Get your facts straight.
Well, since you apparently have your facts straight, please point me to a source that verifies you claim that "China is the absolute #1 investor in USD". They do own many billions worth of our bonds. Yup, pretty much. It has been extremely conductive for their exporting strategy. China is by far the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities. At the end of July, the last month for which official statistics are available, it had stockpiled $1.2773 trillion in Treasuries. The country is way in front of second-place Japan, whose portfolio was $141.9 billion smaller. If you add in the Treasuries of autonomous Hong Kong, the hoard of the People’s Republic increases by $120.0 billion.
Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/10/06/what-if-china-stops-buying-u-s-government-debt/FWIW though, in the last few weeks, this strategy appears to be shifting, but still, they hold most of the treasuries. Largest foreign holder != #1 investor The Fed and US citizens hold most of the treasuries. How can you quote $1.3 trillion and then claim that is "most of the treasuries" when US debt is north of $16 trillion? It looks like <10% from here.
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Everyone please, stop the madness !
I don't wanna see any more posts (probably americans) with people saying saying China wants to see the USD go down.
This is outright wrong, you need to stop reading this Wall observer and go read the newspapers first.
China is the absolute #1 investor in USD. Get your facts straight.
Well, since you apparently have your facts straight, please point me to a source that verifies you claim that "China is the absolute #1 investor in USD".
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This. Ripple like fiat is a scam. People might fail to comprehend this though (they do with fiat) ...
Why people should care if XRP is "premined" ? Why everything should follow Bitcoin step by step ? Mining is the way Bitcoin distribute coins, Ripple chose a different distribution scheme. It's not a scam, it's only a difference. Everything that is different than Bitcoin is not a scam. People only care what is the most useful. If Ripple is most useful than Bitcoin people will use it and won't give a fuck about those bullshit premined concerns. A privately held company who can increase the supply of currency at will is not a scam? That's like saying the Fed is not a scam. People only care about what is the most useful, which is why most of them are utterly fucked when the normal way of doing things falls apart because currency supplies are mismanaged.
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