Slow down turbo!  Did you not see the part where he signed a message from an old addy?  I didn't check when the addy was posted but if its one from before he went inactive, then there is no reason to think it's not the original owner.  I also didn't verify the message, mostly because I don't really care but someone could check those two things if they cared.

Edit:  On top of that he said hes going for himself, not for the forum.  We already know he wont be able to provide enough HARD evidence.  So it's kinda meh anyways...

But you were not just buying computer hardware you were pre-ordering undeveloped money printing machines.  Of course you knew that since they said it was under development and you had illusions of 30 bitcoins mined up in your wallet.

The fact that you were new and went ahead and invested too much money without knowing the risks makes you a stupid cunt!

The fact you believe in a global conspiracy over several centuries makes you a stupid cunt!

The fact that you are an angry stupid homophobic religious zealot makes you a stupid cunt!

Facts add up, you're a stupid cunt!

Now there you go lying again, I've been preaching about the flaws from a consumer pov of pre-orders since 2103.  I don't personally give out interest free loans to complete strangers on the internet.

But someone like you is stupid enough to fall for one of the shittiest scams ever in BTC mining history!!!

I've been GPU mining since 2014 moron, I buy my mining equipment off the shelf not from some internet scammers months in advance...

Face it your low IQ allows you to believe stuff like flat earth, Black Arrow scams, god and keeps you at your minimum wage shitty fucking job.

HAHAHA you're a fucking moron!

The problem is that this attitude is extremely short sighted...  Believe it or not this FOMO and mining market could change overnight.  Being antagonistic to any potential or future potential client has exactly 0 upside or value while it does create some risk of alienating future clients if market conditions suddenly change.

The first reason not to would be if it wasn't real.  But assume it is for this discussion.

IF its real...

As I mentioned the reviews will be here eventually.

To me mining is now an enterprise level market.  My background is enterprise level account management in a manufacture/distribution market.  Honestly companies spending millions on product development should be focusing on enterprise clients and distribution centric business models.  Let the disty's mass market for retail sales and focus on manufacturing and selling to big shooters.  There is a reason most large manufactures sell to disty only and it's simple, greater profit.

@Phil You're right the market conditions will not last forever. I mean did everyone just forget that mining was designed as a near zero sum game and is ALWAYS working towards that goal??  And I agree this was a PR shit show, it really did remind me of Inaba LOL which says a lot when I think about 2 weeks from now!!!!!!!!  Pissing on anyone as a company rep is stupid, really stupid.  Add to it what looks an awful lot like sock puppets and to me your concerns are justified, its a solid no go for me. 

I don't pre-order mining hardware, I think giving anyone an interest free loan is kinda silly.  Sticking to GPU's I can buy off the shelf thanks!

The bigger reason to lock down the coins ASAP is to hedge against coin price shitting the bed and or diff skyrocketing.

The real problem is the difference between perceived value of the reviews.

With current market conditions if it was my call to make personally I probably wouldn't bother doing specific BTCTALK reviews either.

No offence intended guys honestly but here would be my reasoning.

1)  There are much more effective ways to reach MORE people by providing verifiable proof through other outlets.
2)  Once sufficiently verified the majority of forum members would accept it as real and discussion of technical merit, quality, logistics etc can be discussed.  Once in the wild the reviews will get here so they will get them.

Now IMO halong made a couple mistakes.  The biggest being that there rep gives off the impression that they assume that the current EXTREMELY rare current market conditions will last forever!  

Second was letting someone represent their company that can't control their emotions publicly.  It looks terrible on a company.

Third was releasing information too soon. IF they have the best in class gear and enough cap to make the gear they should have waited until they were allowed to prove it.  Imagine the communities response to such a company as well as the LONG term legacy type PR a company could garner at that point!

Now imagine if this thing exists and they actually manage to piss in Bitmains Cornflakes???

To be fair to our local nutjob he avoids question often but he also makes up total bullshit just as often.


Hey stupid how's your Black Arrow orders coming along LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL  Still holding on to that one eh!!!!!!  Such a loser to get scammed by such a shitty scamming outfit!!!!  No wonder he believes in the flat earth, he was stupid enough to believe in Black Arrow!!!

It's so refreshing to see a mining manufacture's rep insulting people on a forum!  It's been years since we had such awesome PR from the manufacture's!  /end s  

Next you'll be firing customers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously JZ is that you!!!

#BFL 2.0 ??
#Bitmain killer??   HAHAHAHAHA not likely!
#Killed by Bitmain??  if Halong is real just maybe!

Oh lord, you sound EXACTLY like Josh Z (less angry!)

#2 weeks, @BFL 2.0

As for the bolded, this isn't a court of law LDO...  Having seen as many scams as we have no wonder it's "You will run into a lot of skepticism until you provide proof". 

You're right about 1 thing you definitely don't need the forum for sales right now, but neither did BFL, AMT, Bitmine, Black Arrow, Cointerra, Hashfast ETC ETC ETC. 

Bitmain killer that is some funny shit!  Careful though bud you may actually catch Bitmains attention and honestly that might not go as well as you hope! 

If this thread boggles your mind take a look at the almost 500 pages of unbelievable horse shit here!  It'll really make your head explode from pain!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.0

Well said!

Elon has secured a place in the history books already.  But is he somewhere in the back chapters or is he on front page.  If he makes us a multiplanet species it will forever change humanity as we know it and almost every person will know his name for a very very long time!

Nah he doesn't have the right!  He can't claim it for himself!  After Sputnik1 was launched the world knew it needed some international space laws.  Over 100 countries have signed the Outer Space Treaty.  A main clause in the treaty is non appropriation of space.  No one gets to claim anything in outer space as their own.  Everything will remain public domain if the treaty is adhered to.  The worlds governments would seize his assets, arrest him and take over Space X and all the trips to MARS if he tried to claim it for himself!

What I do think is that we badly need to update "space law" quickly because a few countries are working on Lunar base projects as well as manned missions to Mars.

Nasa's timeline for manned missions to Mars is 2040.  Space X timeline is late 2020's, its happening and a lot of us alive right now will be around when it happens.  

It is awe inspiring to me, what an incredible time to be a part of!

Elon has detailed his plan for Mars colonization.  

Colonizing and even Terraforming Mars is no longer science fiction.  We have the technology to do it now.  The real question is should we?

Humans will go to Mars eventually the first people ever to step on a planet that isn't earth are already born!

Exploration is at the heart of humanity.  Humans push the boundaries of almost everything, space and colonizing another planet seems like a logical next step, right?

Do we really have the right to disturb another planets ecosystem?  Yes Mars is a frozen desert like planet but millions maybe billions of years ago it likely had a much stronger atmosphere and running water and just maybe "life".  The planet core cooled (as Mars is less than half the size of earth) and the water evaporated and froze.  It can easily be argued that this is just the natural planetary evolution of mars within our solar system in our galaxy in our universe. We don't know what will happen to Mars in the next several billion years as our sun whines down it's own "life".  Since we can't know for sure whats to happen perhaps we shouldn't fuck with it and let it evolve on its own?

On the other hand it can be argued that according to our current understanding the sun will swallow us in a few billion years, why not then become a multi planet species and build a second ecosystem to study, learn from and compare to our own?  This may just be the building blocks that help humanity outlive our sun!!!  It could even be argued that humans colonizing Mars is part of Mars' natural planetary evolution anyways.  As soon as humans evolved it was inevitable that the closest inhabitable planet would be colonized eventually.

I personally say GO ELON GO! Get us to Mars and colonize that motherfucker!!!  Curiosity, pushing boundaries, exploring and innovation defines our species. Bottling that up won't work so Mars here we come!

Again according to the fruit loops here there is some kind of MASSIVE imaginary military group guarding the entire ice shelf surrounding the flat earth.  Apparently going near it will get you killed immediately or some stupid bullshit like that LOLOLOLOL.

Dude they literally have the most crazy answers to common questions.

Go ahead ask them how a modern jet flies from Santiago Chile To Sydney Australia on a flat earth.  SA and AUS are literally on the opposite side of the flat earth map and NO commercial plane in existence today can make such a trip in a direct flight.  Oddly enough in the real world that direct flight is made several times a week because, wait for it, they fly around the south pole (not directly but you get the point).

Generally the answer will be the airlines are lying to us about something (they can never pin point what).  Or they somehow magically fly outside the ice ring and appear back on the other side somehow (like its a globe or some shit LOLOLOL).  Utterly ridiculous nonsense.

Crazy unbelievable made up stupidity is all they have, it's quite amusing really!

According to the fruit loops here yes. Every single government, every single space agency, every single person in the airline and shipping industry have been covering up the flat earth for centuries.

Sounds kinda ridiculous when you write it out, unless you're retarded or mentally ill!

Wrong, All Scientific theories are only Scientific theories.  Not surprisingly you have 0 understanding of what it takes for a hypothesis to actually become a scientific theory.

No anyone can not make up a scientific theory to contradict any scientific theory.  Anyone can certainly make a hypothesis for anything they want, but if it doesn't meet the strict requirements it will never become a scientific theory.  And all of your hypothesis' are not scientific theories in any way, shape or form (beyond your imagination).

You don't even have a basic understanding of the terminology used in the scientific community.  Yet you run around these forums polluting it with utter nonsense, garbage and made up bullshit using incorrect terminology to try to fit your delusions.

BTW every single stupid hypothesis you've thrown out has been tried many times before your not bringing anything new to the table...  The scientific community has long since moved off your terrible hypothesis in favor of actual scientific theories so they are not wasting their time!

TLDR: BADecker lies, makes shit up and uses hypothesis from decades ago that have been discarded even by the vast majority of his brethren!

Notbatman does the same thing except BADecker is an over achiever in the stupid department!

You and several billion other people!!!

BADecker likes to make things up and pass them off as real!

Still making promises, you didn't learn the first time did you 

You really should just politely go dark till you have something bro!  Instead of making more promises hehe.

A pre-launch campaign with no proof from a new player around here overwhelmingly means scam, as you can see.

When you can launch the product properly come back with proof, sell out, profit, simple as that.  Enjoy the crazy market conditions of present and don't over complicate things man.

It took me a really long time to start to understand this place too.  This is a Libertarian site largely.  Satoshi didn't trust the gov/system, neither do Libertarians it was a natural fit.  It can be argued that without the support of the Libertarian community at the very beginning BTC would have died.  The Libertarians are still here in decent numbers.

Now fast forward several years and BTC starts to come out of the Libertarian community as word spreads.
Joe or Jane six pack hears about all the things like the economic turmoil globally, bail outs, Governments running out of money.  They see with their own eyes the financial raping with fees and such.  Add to that the traditional financial sector is sooooo complicated and riddled with fees that Joe and Jane can't even begin to understand it, so pay and trust someone else to do it for you, more fees!  It's not hard now to see why their trust in traditional systems starts to erode.

Joe and Jane hear about this trustless, low fee alternative that has been preforming insanely and they are intrigued!  Some invest, some don't. My investment adviser has long told me about diversification, so for me diversifying outside the traditional financial sector made a lot of sense.  In 2013 my adviser called me a fool for looking at "this internet ponzi scheme" LOL.  I am happy I didn't listen to him, he is no longer my adviser!

Do we/have we hit the point of inertia yet where it just goes on its own like a beautiful celestial body no one controls, dunno, only time will tell.  Strap in for the ride with us and we will find out!

Good Luck,
FH