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141  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 08, 2023, 06:38:24 PM
Some of the latest news coverage. Is there anyone left who still doesn't see where all of this is going?

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And now Israel will be competing for resources, funds, intel satellite time etc... Politicians will act surprised and will be convincing people that no one could've possibly predicted such outcome, blame games will ensure, and everything will be done to prevent Ukrainians from even questioning any of this

My appraisal of where is this going is that Iran has done a favour to Ukraine. If there were some GOP members playing with the idea of reducing the support to Ukraine, they may be quite convinced now that "playing soft" gets their Israeli brothers killed (Hamas is an Iran proxy). Israel is unlikely to need much "resources" other than their usual sources - the Jewish community of US, UK,...

Riiiight, I'm sure Zelenskyy is very happy that the world has another war to occupy front pages and attention of already war fatigued world audience. What's next from your "whatever happens is good for Ukraine because..." narrative, how great would it be for Ukraine if China attacked Taiwan now? Then all of those Republicans would surely forget about their home audience and Trump would personally send more money to Ukraine? No, what be good for Ukraine if it's just a one day event, everything calms down and everyone could forget about Israel in a week, so Zelenskyy can get his news coverage back, Israel wont require more funds, worlds eye ball time, Ukraine's lobby in US won't have to compete with Israel's lobby, and Ukraine won't be covered as that "old" war.

Riiiight, when I do not have an argument I just whattabout and call stuff "a narrative", when you actually are delivering mostly narrative. The fact is that what I have said remains: GOP does have links to Israel, Iran is an ally of Ruzzia and this may actually be helpful for these Republicans and for the general public of the US who do not really know where Ukraine is in a map, but they have heard plenty about Iran.

So just a question of making sure they add 2 plus 2 and notice that they, personally, are in danger from this coalition. There are axis forming and Iran is with Ruzzia.

If China attacked Taiwan we would be closer to WW III, so negative for the entire population of the world, who likely would suffer very acute effects.

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Yes yes, we all realize that there are no absolutes, and instead of even attempting to be objective your whole purpose seems to be to put a positive spin on everything, totally disregarding the other 99% effects of the event and how ridiculous that makes you sound.



PS: And look up definition of whataboutism before using it

Edit:

Regarding Israel 'unlikely to need much "resources"'

In addition, the United States government will be rapidly providing the Israel Defense Forces with additional equipment and resources, including munitions. The first security assistance will begin moving today and arriving in the coming days.

Oh yes, what great news for Ukraine  Roll Eyes see how silly you sounded, didn't even take a day.
142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 08, 2023, 03:34:24 AM
Some of the latest news coverage. Is there anyone left who still doesn't see where all of this is going?

...

And now Israel will be competing for resources, funds, intel satellite time etc... Politicians will act surprised and will be convincing people that no one could've possibly predicted such outcome, blame games will ensure, and everything will be done to prevent Ukrainians from even questioning any of this

My appraisal of where is this going is that Iran has done a favour to Ukraine. If there were some GOP members playing with the idea of reducing the support to Ukraine, they may be quite convinced now that "playing soft" gets their Israeli brothers killed (Hamas is an Iran proxy). Israel is unlikely to need much "resources" other than their usual sources - the Jewish community of US, UK,...

Riiiight, I'm sure Zelenskyy is very happy that the world has another war to occupy front pages and attention of already war fatigued world audience. What's next from your "whatever happens is good for Ukraine because..." narrative, how great would it be for Ukraine if China attacked Taiwan now? Then all of those Republicans would surely forget about their home audience and Trump would personally send more money to Ukraine? No, what be good for Ukraine if it's just a one day event, everything calms down and everyone could forget about Israel in a week, so Zelenskyy can get his news coverage back, Israel wont require more funds, worlds eye ball time, Ukraine's lobby in US won't have to compete with Israel's lobby, and Ukraine won't be covered as that "old" war.
143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 07, 2023, 07:30:05 PM
Some of the latest news coverage. Is there anyone left who still doesn't see where all of this is going?

Ukraine is ‘freaking out’ as McCarthy chaos threatens US aid

After the ousting of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, there is concern in Kyiv that Ukraine has become a tool of US domestic politics.

In Kyiv, officials are at a loss as to what might happen next. Their staunchest military ally suddenly looks unreliable, despite assurances from President Biden and others the U.S. will remain steadfast until Ukraine’s invaders are defeated.
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“We are freaking out. For us it is a disaster,” said Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, a senior Ukrainian MP who chairs the committee on the country’s integration with the European Union.
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However, now that McCarthy is out, all future U.S. funding for Kyiv is in limbo. It is not clear when a new speaker will be chosen and without one, the American law making machine is stalled.
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“Well, that’s a setup,” one Ukrainian MP told POLITICO.

“Honestly, we are watching for now,” said one Ukrainian government official, who asked not to be identified while discussing sensitive matters.

Ukrainian officials typically avoid expressing public criticism of partners so as not to seem ungrateful. But this week some have expressed shock.

“There is nothing good, but, objectively, we have simply become hostages of their internal politics,” said Ukrainian lawmaker Yaroslav Zheleznyak, first deputy chairman of the parliament committee on finance, after the emergency U.S. budget deal was announced.


Britain has ‘run out of arms to send to Ukraine’
We’ve given away all we can afford
and other countries should step in, says senior military chief
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The Western alliance has suffered a series of blows in recent days, with support for Ukraine dropped from a US stop-gap budget bill, election success for a pro-Russian party in Slovakia and rows between Poland and Kyiv over grain supplies.
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Last night a senior military source told The Telegraph that the onus should not be on the UK to provide the “billions” Mr Wallace has called for.
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“We’ve given away just about as much as we can afford,” they added.
“We will continue to source equipment to provide for Ukraine, but what they need now is things like air defence assets and artillery ammunition and we’ve run dry on all that.”
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‘Every tank we give is one less we have’
The military chief said there was no prospect of providing more British tanks to Ukraine.
“We’ve given away pretty much everything we can afford to give,” they added.
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Brussels last month overtook the US in promised aid to Kyiv, with European commitments now twice as large, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that has been tracking funding for Ukraine.
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Hungary, whose leader celebrated Mr Fico’s victory, was also holding up a planned €500 million tranche of funding to help EU member states pay for weapons donations.
Its opposition has also dealt a blow to a planned €20 billion war chest from EU nations for Ukraine to buy weapons for the next four years, highlighting the challenges faced by the West.

‘It’s a survival issue’: Ukraine looks to arm itself as Western support slips
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Ukraine finds its supporters running out of weapons to send while others are increasingly wary of committing more money to the conflict.

With the charm offensive directed at weapons-makers around the world, the country is effectively trying to take matters into its own hands.
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“It’s a survival issue,” said Pavel Verkhniatskyi, managing partner at COSA Intelligence Solutions in Kyiv, since there is only so long Ukraine can expect to rely on donations from partners whose support can be switched off with a single election.
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It’s all part of a larger and growing refrain among Ukrainian officials, which is “we will have to become an Israel in Europe — self-sufficient but with help from other countries,” said Daniel Vajdich, president of Yorktown Solutions, which advocates on behalf of Ukraine in Washington.
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Leaders in Kyiv want that day to come sooner rather than later, an urgency that’s been bolstered by comments from several Western officials over the past few weeks that weapons are running out and allies haven’t significantly ramped up their production lines to keep up with demand.

We cannot keep on giving from our own stockpiles,” said one European official, who like others quoted in this story was granted anonymity to speak frankly about a politically sensitive issue.

The official added that there is still robust public and political support for Ukraine’s fight, but “we’ve given everything that will not endanger our own security.”

After 18 months of intense, industrial-scale combat, European stockpiles are running dry, though hope is rising that countries can work together to find more solutions, one Biden administration official said.

“After two years we need now to have another discussion because we cannot give, give, give and see our systems going down for Ukraine,” Gen. Stéphane Mille, chief of staff of the French Air and Space Force, recently told reporters in Washington.

Adding to the troubles was Poland’s recent declaration that it would pause donations to Ukraine in order to shore up its own capabilities.

The Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which pays for U.S.-made weapons systems to be placed under contract, has already run out of money. The Defense Department still has $5.4 billion worth of weapons available to send to Ukraine, but is fast running out of money to replenish its own stockpiles, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the discussions.

There are still plenty of questions over how much defense production can happen in Ukraine while Russian missiles and Iranian drones continue to target critical infrastructure, but the war shows no signs of slowing even as partner nations worry about what they have left to give.

Western-made armor is failing in Ukraine because it wasn't designed to sustain a conflict of this intensity, a military analyst told The Wall Street Journal.
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"If you throw it into a mass offensive, it just doesn't perform," he said.

Chmut went on to say Ukraine's Western allies should instead turn their attention to delivering simpler and cheaper systems, but in larger quantities, something Ukraine has repeatedly requested, the newspaper reported.
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Less than 5% of tanks destroyed since the start of the war had been taken out by other tanks, Ukrainian officials said in the Journal report, with the rest falling to mines, artillery, antitank missiles, and drones. This means the relative sophistication of a tank is no longer as important, the paper says.

Maj. Gen. Christian Freuding, Germany's director of planning and command staff, said Western military strategists had not yet accepted that quantity trumps quality.

"You need numbers; you need force numbers. In the West, we have reduced our military; we have reduced our stocks. But quantity matters; mass matters," he told the Journal.
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A July report compiled by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy said Ukraine's allies had only delivered about half of the heavy weapons that had been promised.
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Sergej Sumlenny, founder of the German think tank European Resilience Initiative Center, previously told Insider that Ukraine was stepping up its domestic production in part because of concern that Western deliveries would not keep up with its military needs.

And now Israel will be competing for resources, funds, intel satellite time etc... Politicians will act surprised and will be convincing people that no one could've possibly predicted such outcome, blame games will ensure, and everything will be done to prevent Ukrainians from even questioning any of this
144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 06, 2023, 04:02:37 AM

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The Nation is a daily newspaper published in Lagos, Nigeria. According to a 2009 survey it was the second-most-read newspaper in Nigeria,

Whose article is this Borat's (you know, the second best journalist of Kazakhstan)?

Look, this is a newspaper, but it is not read in Nigeria, so I am not sure you will like it:

2013
https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-chooses-russia-over-eu/

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Armenia chooses Russia over EU - Armenia says it will join the Eurasian Customs Union, rather than enter free-trade deal with the EU.

2023
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Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev has turned down a European meeting in Spain with Armenia’s Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan this week, because of European support for Yerevan, a government official told AFP on Wednesday.

Interesting how things can change. It may be the case that not only Ukraine wishes to try something different from the Moscowian regime?

Frontline update: Things are getting really hard in the front. The Ruzzian army is throwing in elite troops to man trenches and trying attack with nearly no possibility of success. Losses are massive. Ukraine is advancing 50 meters at at time. It seems that it is going to be an even harder winter.


Armenians were literary killed by drones from a NATO country. I guess that's one way for NATO to win influence, just to attack them with drones from a NATO country, and then blame Russia for not protecting them well enough Huh literary to bomb them into NATO submission


September 6, 2023
Armenia to exercise with US troops next week in sign of frustration with Russia

September 25, 2023
Baku had already formed an effective alliance with Turkey that provided the Bayraktar TB2 drones that helped it win the last war in 2020, a 44-day autumn conflict in which Azerbaijan took control of the skies, bombing Armenia’s Soviet-era tanks and its allies in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Some kind of 4d chess moves for Armenian president
145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 02, 2023, 08:32:22 PM
Eventually Russians would start to wonder "why can't we be like that?" and realize the answer was Putin.
No way that they would realize it. They rather would blame USA, EU and whole West in general for their problems. Like some time ago it even become popular joke to blame Obama for potholes on Russian roads or shit in children playground.




I'm not trying to say that there's no whataboutism going on in Russia, but it's hilarious that with plethora of examples you couldn't come up with anything better than the  Thanks, Obama meme

146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 02, 2023, 04:06:32 PM
Some current news on the subject. Funny that republicans just want to separate Ukraine funding so it could be voted on separately instead of lumping it together with US budget, but of course it's being spun differently.  Think we all know that Ukrainian aid will pass in some form this time around, but of course its only a start and will have to repeat again in November/December and then every few months leading closer and closer to US presidential election

Pentagon makes last-minute push to save Ukraine aid as shutdown looms

Pentagon officials are making a last-minute lobbying push on Capitol Hill Saturday to prevent Congress from stripping aid to Ukraine from a funding agreement
[...]
 “Republicans are forcing us to choose between supporting Ukraine and averting a shutdown, and the administration is very concerned,” a congressional aide said.
[...]
 “They are willing, and they are able, to abandon our allies,” DeLauro said of the GOP. “Let us continue to support Ukraine’s fight for freedom.”

There are also elections in Slovakia

With Kremlin apologist leading the polls, Slovakia vote threatens country’s support for Ukraine

Slovaks have been voting in a knife-edge parliamentary election on Saturday that could radically reshape Slovakia’s approach to Ukraine and create deep rifts within NATO and the European Union.

The frontrunner, former Prime Minister Robert Fico, has made no secret of his affinity for the Kremlin during the election campaign. He has criticized the West for supporting Ukraine and adopted a strong anti-US message, even accusing Slovakia’s President Zuzana Čaputová of being an “American agent.” He has said that if elected, he would stop sending weapons to Ukraine and block Ukraine’s NATO ambitions.
[...]

And now to Serbia

NATO bolsters forces in Kosovo as US urges Serbia to withdraw from border

White House calls Serbian military deployment ‘very destabilizing.’
[...]

Of course there is also Africa, Armenia etc...

Soviet Union collapsed because they overestimated their strength, and had no mechanism to scale down, so the west just opened as many fronts as they could to smartly overextend the Soviets. Ironically i believe this is exactly what we're seeing now.

What is unclear is who those "fronts" may be playing in favour of. My guess is that Putin is trying some payback where he can harm European interests for a cheap price, but there is plenty of time for pay-back. One thing at a time, let's first continue to allow Ruzzia to self-demilitarise itself.

Regarding US funding, we all know there are many Republicans that are keen on allowing Putin to achieve something that could be interpreted as victory. Things sometimes are seen different once you are in government if they ever get there, but for now, Ukraine has enough to have the initiative.

RE Serbia, the "front" was already open, is not really that new. I guess Serbia is just checking how big may the appetite of the US to replay Balkans war II.

Regardless, the war in Ukraine requires an strategy shift. The best outcome at this point would be taking Tokmak, which would fall short of a more decisive outcome that could make Ruzzia rethink their plans.

My guess is that with sufficient aviation and the right munitions, the front dynamics could be changed, but that will not happen until Ukraine gets proper support, instead of timid packages.



For me it's quiet clear. Fundamentally, previously expansionism, colonialism, spheres of influences etc... were all decided by force (hard power). Then we got to the pinnacle of that with MAD, so military forces were pretty even on that front. Then US ingeniously realized that expansionism can still continue but instead of hard power which it didn't have much advantage in anymore, it can be achieved with soft power, taking cookies away from places that didn't matter Africa, south America etc... and strategically giving them out in places where they mattered the most, countries bordering their opponents, and places of conflict. China picked up on that and started playing on that field with their Belt and Road Initiative, Russia was too weak to play on that field so it couldn't do anything but watch NATO expanding to its borders with cookies (soft power). Russia was gutted to bare bones with only Russian speaking Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan left in its sphere, it realized that this was an existential threat and drew a red line indicating that they were willing to protect the remainder of the sphere in the only playing field it had a chance in, which was going back to the hard power. But as we know US ignored it, and democratic cookies still showed up in Ukraine and then Kazakhstan and Belarus. Of course Europe saw the soft power expansionism and didn't really cared much for it, but had little choice in the matter. Now essentially gloves are off, all sides will hit where it'll hurt the most and Ukraine is nothing but a small piece in this puzzle. Masses are conditioned to consume and live today by borrowing from the future, so naturally they're not willing to sacrifice short term for some long term gain, thus are more exposed to war fatigue . This is easily exploitable by populist and is less of a concert in a less democratic states, so it has little to do with Putin, just an easy way to get/stay in power for career politicians. Thus US elections shouldn't really be a surprise for anyone.

US passed 45day stopgap budget without Ukrainian aid, so now if they want to send more money it'll have to be voted on separately, so everyone will have to reveal their position, which might carry liability for republicans who'll have to fall in line and get behind on the policy of their next candidate.

And A party headed by a pro-Kremlin figure came out top after securing more votes than expected in an election in Slovakia, official results show, in what could pose a challenge to NATO and EU unity on Ukraine...Speaking after his victory, Fico doubled down on his rhetoric, said he “will do everything” in his power to kickstart Russia-Ukraine peace talks...Fico has pledged an immediate end to Slovak military support for Ukraine and promised to block Ukraine’s NATO ambitions in what would upend Slovakia’s staunch backing for Ukraine...this will likely change under Fico, who has blamed “Ukrainian Nazis and fascists” for provoking Russia’s President Vladimir Putin into launching the invasion

Not a lot of good news for Ukraine, guessing to intersept the news headlines UK former Secretary of State for Defence decided to publishes this optimistic piece to raise the morale. It's filled with typical propaganda you'd expect out of former Secretary of State, except for this one piece.

Ukraine is winning. Now let’s finish the job
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Ukraine can also play its part. The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40. I understand President Zelensky’s desire to preserve the young for the future, but the fact is that Russia is mobilising the whole country by stealth. Putin knows a pause will hand him time to build a new army. So just as Britain did in 1939 and 1941, perhaps it is time to reassess the scale of Ukraine’s mobilisation.


So apparently Russia is stealthy mobilising the whole country Huh thus old man from another country demand more and younger Ukrainian blood to the front lines. Should Ukraine start conscripting 16yr olds now?

"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak."
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 30, 2023, 07:31:13 PM
Some current news on the subject. Funny that republicans just want to separate Ukraine funding so it could be voted on separately instead of lumping it together with US budget, but of course it's being spun differently.  Think we all know that Ukrainian aid will pass in some form this time around, but of course its only a start and will have to repeat again in November/December and then every few months leading closer and closer to US presidential election

Pentagon makes last-minute push to save Ukraine aid as shutdown looms

Pentagon officials are making a last-minute lobbying push on Capitol Hill Saturday to prevent Congress from stripping aid to Ukraine from a funding agreement
...
Defense Department officials stressed to House and Senate leadership on both sides of the aisle the importance of approving aid to Kyiv as Ukraine continues to try to fight off Russia’s invasion, the people said. House Republicans are trying to advance a government funding bill that leaves out funding for Ukraine, alarming officials in Kyiv but paving the way for averting a government shutdown otherwise set to start at 12:01 a.m.

 “Republicans are forcing us to choose between supporting Ukraine and averting a shutdown, and the administration is very concerned,” a congressional aide said.
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With less than 12 hours to go until government appropriations lapse, the House is taking up legislation that includes disaster funding and keeps federal operations going at current spending levels, but includes none of the $20 billion President Biden has said is necessary to support Ukraine in its war against Russia. Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) advanced the legislation after months of GOP infighting over funding the government, hoping to prevent the Republican-controlled House from shouldering the blame for a shutdown.
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Defense undersecretary, sent a letter to House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) decrying a “funding cutoff” for Ukraine.

“DOD has exhausted nearly all available security assistance funding for Ukraine,” the letter states.
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with so little time to avert a shutdown, the Senate will now face immense pressure to pass the House bill even without aid for Ukraine.

 Supporters of Ukraine say failure to pass the aid will encourage Russian President Vladimir Putin and likely lead European allies to pare back their support for the war.
...
 “They are willing, and they are able, to abandon our allies,” DeLauro said of the GOP. “Let us continue to support Ukraine’s fight for freedom.”

There are also elections in Slovakia

With Kremlin apologist leading the polls, Slovakia vote threatens country’s support for Ukraine

Slovaks have been voting in a knife-edge parliamentary election on Saturday that could radically reshape Slovakia’s approach to Ukraine and create deep rifts within NATO and the European Union.

The frontrunner, former Prime Minister Robert Fico, has made no secret of his affinity for the Kremlin during the election campaign. He has criticized the West for supporting Ukraine and adopted a strong anti-US message, even accusing Slovakia’s President Zuzana Čaputová of being an “American agent.” He has said that if elected, he would stop sending weapons to Ukraine and block Ukraine’s NATO ambitions.
...

And now to Serbia

NATO bolsters forces in Kosovo as US urges Serbia to withdraw from border

White House calls Serbian military deployment ‘very destabilizing.’

NATO said on Friday it is increasing its peacekeeping presence in northern Kosovo as a result of escalating tensions with neighboring Serbia, as the U.S. called on Serbia to withdraw a military buildup on the border with Kosovo.

The heightening of tensions comes after about 30 heavily armed Serbs stormed the northern Kosovo village of Banjska last Sunday. A Kosovo policeman and three of the attackers were killed in gun battles.

“We need NATO because the border with Serbia is very long and the Serbian army has been recently strengthening its capacities,” Kosovo Prime Minister Albin Kurti told the Associated Press. “They have a lot of military equipment from both the Russian Federation and China” he said.
...

Of course there is also Africa, Armenia etc...



Soviet Union collapsed because they overestimated their strength, and had no mechanism to scale down, so the west just opened as many fronts as they could to smartly overextend the Soviets. Ironically i believe this is exactly what we're seeing now.
148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2023, 05:18:11 AM
LOL. Craig Wright fired from nChain.

The world is beginning to heal.

 Wow!



full text from https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1707884086776279486
 
Christen Ager-Hanssen

@agerhanssen
I can confirm I have departed from
@nChainGlobal
 as its Group CEO with immediate effect after reporting several serious issues to the board of nChain Group including what I believe is a conspiracy to defraud nChain shareholders orchestrated by a significant shareholder. I also had concerns about the ultimate beneficiary shareholder and the real people behind DW Discovery fund registered in Cayman. The chairman also took instructions from shadow directors which I didn’t accept

I have also reported that I have found compelling evidence that Dr Craig Wright has manipulated documents with the aim to deceive the court he is Satoshi. I’m today myself convinced that Dr Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi and I’m persuaded he will lose all his legal battles.

The board didn’t take action and my job becomes clearly untenable. One of the things I recommended the Chairman of the board was to sack Dr Craig Wright.

I feel sorry for all the great people that work in the company but I don’t want to be part of something I clearly don’t believe in. #faketoshi


WOW totally shocked ... that BSv still existed
149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2023, 12:29:57 AM
Waaay off topic, but still replying

Waaay too much effort for an off-topic reply.

You made it into a dissertation Cheesy

With big boys moving to OTC not many walls around these days so ...



Waaay off topic, but still replying

Roach?  

Is THAT uie-pooie?


Missed you so much!!!!!


#Nohomo.

How's your gold doing? #forreals

Pretty sure Roach was pro Nazi
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
Waaay off topic, but still replying

Well, no. Nazis are Nazis. Any attempt to equate someone else to Nazis just deludes what Nazis did.

Are you saying that a Nazi ally is not Nazi?

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"Russians, the strongest allies of Nazi Germany...Finland asked Germans for help, which they provided and attacked Russia", wait what  Huh so you're saying that Germans attacked their strongest ally just because Finns asked for it? I'm not even going to touch this one but you seemed to be all kinds of confused.

You're confusing yourself. Where in that sentence do you see me saying that this was the only reason for the attack?

Just being an ally doesn't automatically make you a Nazi, otherwise Japan would be Nazi? Of course there are also Nazi collaborators who directly participated in all of the atrocities and genocide, thats where the lines get blurred and then there are Nazi sympathizer aka Neonazis

You throw out a ridiculous claim (mind you totally unprovoked, there was no mention of Finland at all), and then backtrack with well i never said it was the only reason, technically you never claimed that it was the main reason either...i'm sure it's somewhere there on a spectrum? Yep totally clear, unbiased, objective, truthful position and not an attempt to misleading the weak minds at all.  Roll Eyes




Well, no. Nazis are Nazis. Any attempt to equate someone else to Nazis just deludes what Nazis did.

Right, that's why the correct term "Neonazis" emerged, for Nazi revivalists.
But i would say that "Nazi" is valid as a term for describing descendants and people that kept the ideology (primarily that ideology of a "master race") alive.
While Russia is throwing around the "Nazi" sticker, while they behave almost exactly like the Nazis did. Look at Poland's WW2 history. Russia also keeps saying that the "West" is weak, which implies the Russians are "strong", thus superior to western people, which reflects the concept of a "master race".
Don't make me bring in the war crimes... To say the least.

If i had to choose between "dictatorship" of either the "West" or "East", i would choose the "West" without a split second to think about.



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"Russians, the strongest allies of Nazi Germany...Finland asked Germans for help, which they provided and attacked Russia", wait what  Huh so you're saying that Germans attacked their strongest ally just because Finns asked for it? I'm not even going to touch this one but you seemed to be all kinds of confused.

Name your source, if you want it to be taken serious.




There's a clear line between talking about committing a crime (be it for a shock effect, rebellion stage etc...), and actually committing a crime. Like there are idiots dressing up and worshiping satan by killing some chickens, getting 666 tattoos or whatnot, but that's all mainly for show and attention. So if you weren't actual part of that machine, you're just a Nazi "wannabe", revivalists, sympathizer, Neonazi etc. Not to say that Neonazis and the holders of their ideology are not dangerous, but nevertheless i believe in most instances the distinction is warranted.

"While Russia is throwing around the "Nazi" sticker, while they behave almost exactly like the Nazis did. Look at Poland's WW2 history. Russia also keeps saying that the "West" is weak, which implies the Russians are "strong", thus superior to western people, which reflects the concept of a "master race"."

And that's where I loose you, I'm sorry but that's a truly a moronic statement. It totally ignores the fundamental intent and scale. You have to consume a lot of propaganda and perhaps need a lobotomy to believe that saying that "someone is weak" means you believing that everyone else is genetically inferior to your master race and thus must be systematically eliminated. To follow that to its logical conclusion, we either need to delude what Nazis did, and convince everyone that Hitler wasn't that bad and was thinking that other nations just had weaker moral values, or to convince everyone that Russian ideology consists of murdering millions solely based on their race, trying to find the final solution to the western question Huh by building factories to systematically exterminate westerners as well as use eugenics and conducting medical experiments on the western nationals? Both of which would require large consumption of illegal substance to even consider. Ultimately what you're attempting to pull here is a slippery slope fallacy, Russians did bad, Hitler also did bad, thus Russia=Nazi.

Go ahead and bring up alleged current war crimes but then you'll have to show how they're "almost exactly" like Nazi war crimes. Just don't expect to be taken seriously, if your scale of comparison for "almost exactly" is off by a factor of 10.000x.

If i had to choose between "dictatorship" of either the "West" or "East", i would choose the "West" without a split second to think about.
Well that's rather rhetorical, but here's more interesting question meant to underline your idiotic claim of "almost exactly like the Nazis did". What would you choose between "Third Reich" and current "Putin's Russia", this is also rhetorical for most population unless of course you consider yourself to be pure aryan whatever the fuck that might be.

As far as the source, if you read more carefully you'll notice that i was just quoting coolcoinz ridiculous claim, so you have to ask him to name his sources and decide if you want to take him seriously.

...2 months later Russians, the strongest allies of Nazi Germany, attacked Finland and forced it to give away a part of their country.
Finland asked Germans for help, which they provided and attacked Russia....
151  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2023, 03:26:01 AM
I've been reading comments from the other side on this and the argument seems to come down to Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division technically has not been found guilty of committing war crimes as a division during Nuremberg Trials (even though Waffen-SS as a whole clearly has). So there you have it, Russians are Nazi, real SS Nazis are not Nazis, War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength.

Funny that Canuks are receiving flak for inviting and applauding a known Nazi, but no one is really questioning how a known Nazi managed to safely live in Canada all this time and how many other real SS Nazis Canada is still covering. Well, Poland seems to be catching up Poland seeks extradition of Ukrainian SS veteran who was applauded in Canada

What about Finns? Are they Nazi? Are they more Nazi than Russians, or are Russians more Nazi than Finns?
In 1939 Russians attacked Poland with Hitler's forces. 2 months later Russians, the strongest allies of Nazi Germany, attacked Finland and forced it to give away a part of their country.
Finland asked Germans for help, which they provided and attacked Russia. When Russia begun to get overwhelmed it asked Allies for help and changed sides from being a Nazi helper to a Nazi hater.

History is written by the victors, so now Russia is portrayed as the country that saved Europe from Germany, Poland is the country liberated by friendly Russian forces and Finland which only defended its borders is an ally of the Nazis.


I wonder what sparked this pump. Any ideas?

Gensler's poor performance in Congress? Cheesy

Well, no. Nazis are Nazis. Any attempt to equate someone else to Nazis just deludes what Nazis did.

"Russians, the strongest allies of Nazi Germany...Finland asked Germans for help, which they provided and attacked Russia", wait what  Huh so you're saying that Germans attacked their strongest ally just because Finns asked for it? I'm not even going to touch this one but you seemed to be all kinds of confused.
152  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 28, 2023, 08:05:44 PM

[lots of stuff...]


Of course the estimates of losses are all over the place, but the consensus seems to be that artillery brings the most casualties in this conflict, and so far Russia has fired more artillery shells than Ukraine (there are reports that RU scaled back now but is either still outpacing Ukraine by a bit or both sides fire equal amounts of shells now). RU has also been firing exponentially more missiles to the rear, UA only now just started to fire on Crimea (which as you pointed out is considered breakthrough in UA), and UA is pretty much forbidden from attacking inside Russia elsewhere with provided missiles. Judging by videos and reports, drone attacks have been at par at first but Russia seems to have scaled up faster now. UA had more anti-tank weapons and lit up more thanks in the begging of the conflict.

To achieve higher kill rate, from your link, the US coalition strength was "Over 950,000 soldiers" and Iraq at "Over 650,000 soldiers" so they had overwhelming manpower, and a total control of airspace, both of which Ukraine lacks. Are you seriously trying to compare Ukraine to USA and Russia to Iraq, and claim that resourceful uber Ukrainian super soldiers (and ghosts of Kyiv) sustained an average kill rate of 5:1 for continuous 19 month? And will now increase that ratio even further to over 5 RU killed for every 1 UA loss, with some groundbreaking gamechanger weapon? I mean i saw anecdotal reports that Russians were attacking with shovels as Ukrainians are mowing them down with machine guns, but surely no one actually believed that right? Maybe Ukraine could achieve such odds against indigenous tribesman of amazon or Papua New Guinea, but the sober reality is that there's just no weapon in existence that would allow Ukraine to achieve such ratios against Russia. That's why no one really thought that Ukraine could defeat Russia on the battlefield. Objectively, UA's only realistic chance was for economical/political collapse inside RU, but we now see that China would not allow that to happen.

Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.

Now back to the real world,

Women with a medical or pharmaceutical education must register at military enlistment offices from Oct. 1, Fedir Venislavskyi, President Volodymyr Zelensky's representative in parliament, said on Sept. 7.

This will mean that these women, like Ukrainian men aged between 18 and 60, will not be able to leave the country without special permission.

Under martial law, they must stay in Ukraine as they may be called up at any moment for military service.

According to the report, amendments to the law were made on Aug. 18 and entered into force on Aug. 25.

From now on, people with clinically cured tuberculosis, viral hepatitis,  slowly progressing blood diseases, thyroid gland diseases with minor functional disorders, and those who are HIV-positive but without symptoms, are considered still fit for military service.

In addition, people suffering from mild mental disorders, neurotic disorders, slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system and others have been added to the list.

On Aug. 30, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced a mass review of decisions by military medical commissions to issue medical certificates of disability or unfitness for military service, which have been made since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.

No I am comparing Ruzzia with Ruzzia. They shelled more, had more manpower, more equipment, better air forces and yet... they lost Kherson and the region. Is this real life enough for you?

Another of those funny syllogisms that you frequently fall into:"Ruzzia shells more, shells kill, ergo Ruzzia kills more". HIMARS has been a game changer, you speak about volume of shelling, but I will take a HIMARS rather than 30 pieces of Soviet equipment shooting with rusty barrels and likely to miss a target by 20 meters or more (which is actually the case in the front). The quality counts - the reports speak of more than 25 Ruzzian artillery pieces destroyed per day in artillery duels. Guess what is destroying them?

I think that many weapons have been a game changer (e.g. drone economics) and before you say anything about mines, notice that these do not fly and do not change anything... unless you are still WW II gaming.

But perhaps the clear proof of what is happening, and that is actually reality, is that Ruzzia has stopped any minimally significant gain while Ukraine is taking territory. That is what is happening "in real life".

Re recruiting, I have that information yes... but it is a duma decree, plus some sources...

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-soldiers-mental-asylum-ukraine-war-1739963

Quote
Russia Recruits Soldiers From Mental Health Unit to Make Up Troop Shortfall

F16 will also change the game. Those GBUs modified to "fly" may be just to risky to launch any longer.

All these things together are effectively game changers. Also for Ukraine, as attacking in large formations or with over abundance of mechanized means is no longer a good option.


Yes yes lets concentrate on how this one sniper is so great and killed 100s, just don't talk about overall state of affairs, and lets pretend as if i'm arguing that simple numerical majority is what wins wars. You're picking some specific UA weapon/system and claim how great it is. That might even be true but regardless of how great these miracle systems might be, it's simply impossible for them to be so great that they make up for all other casualties and bring OVERALL kill ratio (meaning all kills including planes, choppers, ships, submarines, drones, tanks, missiles, mines, handguns, knifes etc etc etc...) to over 5x in Ukraine's advantage. And without that Ukraine just can't win on the battlefield. From your example US actually did achieve 10x+ casualty rates in Iraq and Afghanistan. But even the most craziest UA propagandists make up casualty numbers at maximum 3x over RU, so even if we consider those ridiculous numbers, that would still mean that UA is loosing 2x faster of its relative population to RU, which is clearly not sustainable. The grim reality is that if RU casualties are less than 5x of UA (which is globally acknowledged) this means that UA is loosing % of their population faster.

Ukraine does not need a x5 advantage, that is just a number you made up and keep repeating. Is false logic and sad math but also unrelated to the dynamics of modern warfare. Nor any warfare.

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“It is better to be on hand with ten men than absent with ten thousand.” — Timur
(born in 1336)

To gain territory you need to attrite and degrade the enemy response. This does not require massive number nor a "x5". A basic example: you blow up the Kerch bridge, all supplies to Crimea have to make a dangerous route of hundreds of kilometres more. You have killed 0 people, but the frontline is not getting ammo and they are forced to retreat.

Once you understand these dynamics, you will be able to understand why the "kill ratio" is not the limiting factor for a victory.


You keep fighting a straw man that you yourself created. Numerical majority doesn't matter AS LONG AS your kill ratio is higher than opponents numerical majority ratio. And you're in trouble on the battlefield if your kill ratio doesn't compensate for your lower numerical force. The logic of “It is better to be on hand with ten men than absent with ten thousand.” is because ten men on hand can do more damage (have higher kill ratio) than absent with ten thousand. You "attrite and degrade" opponent on a battlefield by reducing their manpower (or their equipment which ultimately directly leads to loss in manpower). Of course you can also push propaganda to destroy the morale (willingness to fight) enough in hopes for a political change but that wouldn't be a battlefield victory, and all current polls indicate it's extremely unlikely to occur.

As stated by others look at the map and you'll see that Kerch bridge is not the only supply route and not a single point of failure that you're making it out to be. There are other alternatives including land bridge, ferries, (even airdrops might be at least a temporary stopgap solution as has been done few times in history). In fact as i'm sure you're well aware, Kerch bridge was only opened in 2018-2019 good 4 years after Russia took Crimea, so Crimea was somehow taken and then supplied for four years before the bridge was built and without alternative land corridor in place now. Regardless, the point of taking out supply routes, is to reduce combat effectiveness of the enemy so to cause unbearable losses to the opponent. Or of course just to push propaganda that opponents lines will collapse because now they'll get melted ice cream with their rations because supplies are going over longer/more dangerous alternative supply routes. The illusion that Russian will just withdraw while having lower losses in % of population, is just that, an illusion pushed by dishonest propagandist, who ironically at the same time attempt to claim that Russia doesn't care for their soldiers lives, which of course is mutually exclusive. The only point of that would be a huge morale booster for your own troops/population, to keep them hopelessly fighting even longer.
153  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 28, 2023, 04:58:55 PM
Finally saw that Canadian government clip of them actually applauding a Nazi.

Have they got shit for brains in the Canadian government?! Applauding someone fighting the Russians in the early 1940s? What possible side would that person be on?

What the fuck are they smoking up there? How can Canada have such stupid people in government? Canada fucking helped with the liberation of Europe at the time!

Astonishing!

Imagine if Trump had made this "mistake".
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


"Sieg Heil, everybody, sieg heil!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsilnLnyWCA&ab_channel=TheIndependent


Fucking tossers.

 Well, when you paint all of your opponents as Nazis, it probably becomes difficult to distinguish the actual Nazis while you salute them and give them standing O's because... they aren't currently your opponents.  Likely the vetting process went like this:

Trudeau -  "This Hunka fellow... was he part of the Freedom Convoy?  Does he wear a MAGA hat?  Have we called him homophobic, transphobic, biphobic or misogynistic? Does he support the Conservative party?"
Speaker (of the House) - "No, no, no and good heavens no!"
Trudeau - "Well then he can't possibly be a Nazi.  Let's honour him in parliament in front of Zelensky to show how strongly we stand with Ukraine.  This is going to get us so many polling points that I may call another early election!"
Speaker - "Great idea, sir!  I'll jot down some talking points including how he fought against our allies in WWII to read in parliament.  Everybody loves a war hero!"
Trudeau - "Oh!  Speaking of which, the 10 year anniversary of Fidel Castro's death is fast approaching and as you know, I think he was 'a remarkable leader'; let's honour him in parliament in 2026.  I should still be here by then - I am so loved."

I've been reading comments from the other side on this and the argument seems to come down to Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division technically has not been found guilty of committing war crimes as a division during Nuremberg Trials (even though Waffen-SS as a whole clearly has). So there you have it, Russians are Nazi, real SS Nazis are not Nazis, War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength.

Funny that Canuks are receiving flak for inviting and applauding a known Nazi, but no one is really questioning how a known Nazi managed to safely live in Canada all this time and how many other real SS Nazis Canada is still covering. Well, Poland seems to be catching up Poland seeks extradition of Ukrainian SS veteran who was applauded in Canada
154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 28, 2023, 05:56:04 AM

[lots of stuff...]


Of course the estimates of losses are all over the place, but the consensus seems to be that artillery brings the most casualties in this conflict, and so far Russia has fired more artillery shells than Ukraine (there are reports that RU scaled back now but is either still outpacing Ukraine by a bit or both sides fire equal amounts of shells now). RU has also been firing exponentially more missiles to the rear, UA only now just started to fire on Crimea (which as you pointed out is considered breakthrough in UA), and UA is pretty much forbidden from attacking inside Russia elsewhere with provided missiles. Judging by videos and reports, drone attacks have been at par at first but Russia seems to have scaled up faster now. UA had more anti-tank weapons and lit up more thanks in the begging of the conflict.

To achieve higher kill rate, from your link, the US coalition strength was "Over 950,000 soldiers" and Iraq at "Over 650,000 soldiers" so they had overwhelming manpower, and a total control of airspace, both of which Ukraine lacks. Are you seriously trying to compare Ukraine to USA and Russia to Iraq, and claim that resourceful uber Ukrainian super soldiers (and ghosts of Kyiv) sustained an average kill rate of 5:1 for continuous 19 month? And will now increase that ratio even further to over 5 RU killed for every 1 UA loss, with some groundbreaking gamechanger weapon? I mean i saw anecdotal reports that Russians were attacking with shovels as Ukrainians are mowing them down with machine guns, but surely no one actually believed that right? Maybe Ukraine could achieve such odds against indigenous tribesman of amazon or Papua New Guinea, but the sober reality is that there's just no weapon in existence that would allow Ukraine to achieve such ratios against Russia. That's why no one really thought that Ukraine could defeat Russia on the battlefield. Objectively, UA's only realistic chance was for economical/political collapse inside RU, but we now see that China would not allow that to happen.

Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.

Now back to the real world,

Women with a medical or pharmaceutical education must register at military enlistment offices from Oct. 1, Fedir Venislavskyi, President Volodymyr Zelensky's representative in parliament, said on Sept. 7.

This will mean that these women, like Ukrainian men aged between 18 and 60, will not be able to leave the country without special permission.

Under martial law, they must stay in Ukraine as they may be called up at any moment for military service.

According to the report, amendments to the law were made on Aug. 18 and entered into force on Aug. 25.

From now on, people with clinically cured tuberculosis, viral hepatitis,  slowly progressing blood diseases, thyroid gland diseases with minor functional disorders, and those who are HIV-positive but without symptoms, are considered still fit for military service.

In addition, people suffering from mild mental disorders, neurotic disorders, slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system and others have been added to the list.

On Aug. 30, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced a mass review of decisions by military medical commissions to issue medical certificates of disability or unfitness for military service, which have been made since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.

No I am comparing Ruzzia with Ruzzia. They shelled more, had more manpower, more equipment, better air forces and yet... they lost Kherson and the region. Is this real life enough for you?

Another of those funny syllogisms that you frequently fall into:"Ruzzia shells more, shells kill, ergo Ruzzia kills more". HIMARS has been a game changer, you speak about volume of shelling, but I will take a HIMARS rather than 30 pieces of Soviet equipment shooting with rusty barrels and likely to miss a target by 20 meters or more (which is actually the case in the front). The quality counts - the reports speak of more than 25 Ruzzian artillery pieces destroyed per day in artillery duels. Guess what is destroying them?

I think that many weapons have been a game changer (e.g. drone economics) and before you say anything about mines, notice that these do not fly and do not change anything... unless you are still WW II gaming.

But perhaps the clear proof of what is happening, and that is actually reality, is that Ruzzia has stopped any minimally significant gain while Ukraine is taking territory. That is what is happening "in real life".

Re recruiting, I have that information yes... but it is a duma decree, plus some sources...

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-recruiting-soldiers-mental-asylum-ukraine-war-1739963

Quote
Russia Recruits Soldiers From Mental Health Unit to Make Up Troop Shortfall

F16 will also change the game. Those GBUs modified to "fly" may be just to risky to launch any longer.

All these things together are effectively game changers. Also for Ukraine, as attacking in large formations or with over abundance of mechanized means is no longer a good option.


Yes yes lets concentrate on how this one sniper is so great and killed 100s, just don't talk about overall state of affairs, and lets pretend as if i'm arguing that simple numerical majority is what wins wars. You're picking some specific UA weapon/system and claim how great it is. That might even be true but regardless of how great these miracle systems might be, it's simply impossible for them to be so great that they make up for all other casualties and bring OVERALL kill ratio (meaning all kills including planes, choppers, ships, submarines, drones, tanks, missiles, mines, handguns, knifes etc etc etc...) to over 5x in Ukraine's advantage. And without that Ukraine just can't win on the battlefield. From your example US actually did achieve 10x+ casualty rates in Iraq and Afghanistan. But even the most craziest UA propagandists make up casualty numbers at maximum 3x over RU, so even if we consider those ridiculous numbers, that would still mean that UA is loosing 2x faster of its relative population to RU, which is clearly not sustainable. The grim reality is that if RU casualties are less than 5x of UA (which is globally acknowledged) this means that UA is loosing % of their population faster.
155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 27, 2023, 03:25:42 AM
Emm... I have mentioned in my last two posts, but it is ok to say it a few times ... it is even hard to believe Ukraine could get that deep and shows a terribly brittle air defence from Ruzzia.
Didn't noticed your post, my bad. It's true that these things shows how brittle Russian air defence in Crimea is. I would relate it with one of their most advanced S-400 system destroyed few weeks ago.

FPV drones is very important weapon in this war. There is lot of videos where these drones is used to attack various targets, but this video shows something what I haven't seen before. What level of precision from drone operator:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/16qxgzf/ukrainian_fpv_drone_flies_into_a_russian_dugout/

Theres literally hundreds of those videos from both sides
There are really hundreds of such videos, but there is a nuance. The intensity of the use of FPV drones by Russia has been growing rapidly in recent months, in April there were 10 confirmed cases, in May 64, in June 92, in July 122, in August 242, and in September already 436. Statistics can be viewed here.

White Ruzzian? like not "black" or Chechen or Gerogian or Uzbekian? Good personal text, it says quite a lotzz. 436 attacks? I would say it can be even more, cheap to produce for both sides, it kind of levels the playing field, if you count all sizes and types and the kills achieved with help of surveillance drones are every day.



Achieving even kills is crazy devastating for Ukraine, simply because of population difference. After loosing the territory with the people on them, and considering everyone that left, UA population is at less than 30MM, while Russia is at 150MM. Meaning with everything else being equal, UA needs to sustain 5x more drones than RU just to stay equal and have a chance to freeze the conflict at current lines. Put in another way, even if Ukraine somehow manages to achieve 4 kills for every 1 loss they're still doomed to loose. That's why to objective outside observer Ukraine's position is futile and set to fail from the start, and no weapon (outside some weapon of mass destruction) can change that.  
Same with USA (335MM) vs China (1.413MM), US would need to sustain over 4x kills just to "level" the playing field.

drone kills are no more dangerous to any side than the other (no more than any other mean of destruction), but speaking of numbers, it is an interesting subject:

There was a German minister (of War) that told the Swiss ambassador: "Our army is twice the size of yours, what can you do if we invade?", the Swiss took a few seconds and said: "each of our soldiers will shoot twice and then go home".

Jokes apart, numbers are important, you need soldiers yes, but modern war is a lot about quality. So, modern weapons can kill plenty of people in very little time which means that throwing meat into the trenches does not make a defence, it makes hamburgers. Ukraine has enough troops to cover the frontline plus attacking.

The most obvious example: Ruzzia was as large as it is now during the Kherson counteroffensive, yet plenty of land and a major city were liberated.

Another clear example, the Iraqi army was much much larger than the American troops deployed, but they lost and lost quickly.

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By 1988, at the end of the Iran–Iraq war, the Iraqi Army was the world's fourth largest army, consisting of 955,000 standing soldiers and 650,000 paramilitary forces in the Popular Army.

Bottom line, if you bank in the size, you need to revisit the many times in history that numbers simply failed (I could put a few more examples, even dating to the Roman Republic or the Persian Empire times).

Even a relatively modest technological giveaway by the west armies (Stromshadows) has already rendered the Black Sea fleet and Sebastopol "under permanent threat" and destroyed a couple of vessels and the HQ. As of now, there are news of at least 12 Abrams making their way to Ukraine and tests in F16 and (much less publicised) of Gripen, which can carry long range Air 2 Air missiles. I wonder what the very resourceful Ukrainians can do with ATACAMS (ballistic missiles), F16, another batch of bad beasts Abrams and even possible a few Gripen (which can take of from pretty much a stretch of old road anywhere). I guess that we are going to see it, as there is no peace on sight this month.

Also to note that one thing is to have more population,  another is to mobilize, train and arm properly an army - a very different exercise. There are reports of pieces of equipment including tanks that come from WW II stocks. If you want to understand the difference, you can see this video.

The fact that Putin has had to implement forcible conscription and put forward all short of legislation such as accepting people who are pretty much crazies, threatening prison and loosing citizenship,...tells you how difficult may be to go from "population" to "army".



Of course the estimates of losses are all over the place, but the consensus seems to be that artillery brings the most casualties in this conflict, and so far Russia has fired more artillery shells than Ukraine (there are reports that RU scaled back now but is either still outpacing Ukraine by a bit or both sides fire equal amounts of shells now). RU has also been firing exponentially more missiles to the rear, UA only now just started to fire on Crimea (which as you pointed out is considered breakthrough in UA), and UA is pretty much forbidden from attacking inside Russia elsewhere with provided missiles. Judging by videos and reports, drone attacks have been at par at first but Russia seems to have scaled up faster now. UA had more anti-tank weapons and lit up more thanks in the begging of the conflict.

To achieve higher kill rate, from your link, the US coalition strength was "Over 950,000 soldiers" and Iraq at "Over 650,000 soldiers" so they had overwhelming manpower, and a total control of airspace, both of which Ukraine lacks. Are you seriously trying to compare Ukraine to USA and Russia to Iraq, and claim that resourceful uber Ukrainian super soldiers (and ghosts of Kyiv) sustained an average kill rate of 5:1 for continuous 19 month? And will now increase that ratio even further to over 5 RU killed for every 1 UA loss, with some groundbreaking gamechanger weapon? I mean i saw anecdotal reports that Russians were attacking with shovels as Ukrainians are mowing them down with machine guns, but surely no one actually believed that right? Maybe Ukraine could achieve such odds against indigenous tribesman of amazon or Papua New Guinea, but the sober reality is that there's just no weapon in existence that would allow Ukraine to achieve such ratios against Russia. That's why no one really thought that Ukraine could defeat Russia on the battlefield. Objectively, UA's only realistic chance was for economical/political collapse inside RU, but we now see that China would not allow that to happen.

Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.

Now back to the real world,

Women with a medical or pharmaceutical education must register at military enlistment offices from Oct. 1, Fedir Venislavskyi, President Volodymyr Zelensky's representative in parliament, said on Sept. 7.

This will mean that these women, like Ukrainian men aged between 18 and 60, will not be able to leave the country without special permission.

Under martial law, they must stay in Ukraine as they may be called up at any moment for military service.

According to the report, amendments to the law were made on Aug. 18 and entered into force on Aug. 25.

From now on, people with clinically cured tuberculosis, viral hepatitis,  slowly progressing blood diseases, thyroid gland diseases with minor functional disorders, and those who are HIV-positive but without symptoms, are considered still fit for military service.

In addition, people suffering from mild mental disorders, neurotic disorders, slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system and others have been added to the list.

On Aug. 30, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced a mass review of decisions by military medical commissions to issue medical certificates of disability or unfitness for military service, which have been made since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022.
156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 25, 2023, 07:14:51 PM
Emm... I have mentioned in my last two posts, but it is ok to say it a few times ... it is even hard to believe Ukraine could get that deep and shows a terribly brittle air defence from Ruzzia.
Didn't noticed your post, my bad. It's true that these things shows how brittle Russian air defence in Crimea is. I would relate it with one of their most advanced S-400 system destroyed few weeks ago.

FPV drones is very important weapon in this war. There is lot of videos where these drones is used to attack various targets, but this video shows something what I haven't seen before. What level of precision from drone operator:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/16qxgzf/ukrainian_fpv_drone_flies_into_a_russian_dugout/

Theres literally hundreds of those videos from both sides
There are really hundreds of such videos, but there is a nuance. The intensity of the use of FPV drones by Russia has been growing rapidly in recent months, in April there were 10 confirmed cases, in May 64, in June 92, in July 122, in August 242, and in September already 436. Statistics can be viewed here.

White Ruzzian? like not "black" or Chechen or Gerogian or Uzbekian? Good personal text, it says quite a lotzz. 436 attacks? I would say it can be even more, cheap to produce for both sides, it kind of levels the playing field, if you count all sizes and types and the kills achieved with help of surveillance drones are every day.



Achieving even kills is crazy devastating for Ukraine, simply because of population difference. After loosing the territory with the people on them, and considering everyone that left, UA population is at less than 30MM, while Russia is at 150MM. Meaning with everything else being equal, UA needs to sustain 5x more drones than RU just to stay equal and have a chance to freeze the conflict at current lines. Put in another way, even if Ukraine somehow manages to achieve 4 kills for every 1 loss they're still doomed to loose. That's why to objective outside observer Ukraine's position is futile and set to fail from the start, and no weapon (outside some weapon of mass destruction) can change that.  
Same with USA (335MM) vs China (1.413MM), US would need to sustain over 4x kills just to "level" the playing field.
157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 25, 2023, 04:27:47 AM
Emm... I have mentioned in my last two posts, but it is ok to say it a few times ... it is even hard to believe Ukraine could get that deep and shows a terribly brittle air defence from Ruzzia.
Didn't noticed your post, my bad. It's true that these things shows how brittle Russian air defence in Crimea is. I would relate it with one of their most advanced S-400 system destroyed few weeks ago.

FPV drones is very important weapon in this war. There is lot of videos where these drones is used to attack various targets, but this video shows something what I haven't seen before. What level of precision from drone operator:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/16qxgzf/ukrainian_fpv_drone_flies_into_a_russian_dugout/

No worries, my posts are sometimes too long.

We have only see the beginning of the drone revolution. 6th generation fighters are playing with the concept of having a swarm of drone wingman (wingbots?) that could act under one direction, humans would become the strategists of the group rather than the pilots.

On a cheaper scale, the more expensive equipment may have to find a way to defend. directed energy weapons are the answer from the US and they are particularly good for dealing cheaply with swarm / overwhelm attacks of cheap low-tech drones. There is one source that say that at least some of these equipment are in use in Ukraine, given by Raytheon / US to declare them field tested I guess.

I am just waiting for the first confirmation of a heavy attack chopper being downed by a drone.

Honestly, The first time I checked on the videos of this war, I was quite impressed on how drones are being used for both sides to crack into the enemys lines of defense. It is completely new form of warfare, drones are more difficult to spot and destroy than the typical helicopter or war plane and can deploy granates over the enemy without putting own personnel at risk.

Though, it is sad that technological innovation and development usually takes the form of weapons and equipment to kill thousands of people. It is not a coincidence such a technological milestone like nuclear energy and weapons were reached during war times...

It's a story of humanity, first geniuses are exploited by politicians, fed propaganda to channel their brainpower towards creating a more optimal way to destroy each other, then they realize what they have unleashed but by that time it's too late. Think everyone realizes that swarms of these with AI to decide friend/foe is the unfortunate inevitable dystopian future, now the race will be who can produce that at scale first, and we all know who's the front runner on these. Not sure if directed energy weapons is the answer, very inefficient, would stand out on all EM scanners, if drones could just be 3d printed in the field what do you do if AI can arrange the swarm to attack at continued sustained rate of X drones per minute, run the energy weapon 24/7? Guess thats why all those futurists saw humans living under ground and all the other lovely predictions. And also a nice answer to Fermi paradox, all "intelligent" life is just doomed to eventually destroy itself.  
158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 19, 2023, 03:41:34 AM
Newer updates seem to indicate that Ukraine is going to be opening a front across the dnipro river. Evacuation of villages and unconfirmed reports of troops gathering in the area seem to indicate that Ukraine may choose to launch some tentative offensive to free the territory in a less costly fashion.
Zelensky can evacuate all of Ukraine; it won’t help him take Tokmak before the cold weather, not to mention Melitopol and Berdyansk.

The entire result of the months-long Ukrainian counter-offensive is two completely destroyed villages of 500 people, Rabotino and Kleshcheevka. Moreover, to control Kleshcheevka, Ukraine will still have to try. Grin

That's ok. If the front does not collapse to Tokmak, see you there next year. However, I wonder why is the RF army building more fortifications precisely around Tokmak. Maybe they are not as well informed as you are.

Edit to add: I think they have done exactly the same I just did: click "measure distance" from the front to the centre of Tokmak. What would you say is an standard "artillery range" (hint: 20 km is less).

Unconfirmed - pro-Ruzzian sources are speaking of an evacuation by Ukraine of nearly all villages along the dnipro river ; during winter, the river will be covered by a 1 foot thick layer of solid ice; There's no "Surovikin" line in the shores of the rives. Make of it what you want.

Also (unconfirmed rumour), UK has sent to Ukraine a drone capable of carrying and launching an anti-air missile. The compensation for job risk may raise quite fast for Ruzzian helicopter pilots.

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Hydra 400 - This can be carried in the back of a truck and be ready to fly in a few minutes. My guess, UK is going to "combat test-it" in Ruzzian helicopters. I think sales will be good in the future.


Well lets see, in Kherson  coldest month is January with Average High:1.4C, Average low:-4.4C, Daily mean:-1.6C so a foot thick layer of solid ice on a river with moving water without a dam you say? A light car *might* be able to drive through if it gets extra cold, but forget about tanks. So sending soldiers in without heavy armor where they're backed into a river and all of the resupply lines and retreat would go over ice? You must be some kind of general, what could possibly go wrong with such plan? How many thousands of soldier lives should they try this ingenious plan with?



Can you stop these silly propaganda rumors? I'm still not sure if you're spreading this hopium for yourself, or you actually believe that you are convincing anyone that some miracle game changer weapon that can change the outcome of the war is just right around the corner? Anyone with half a brain would laugh at these "rumors". Deja vu

The latest shipment of weapons from US to Ukraine includes a significant number of "switchblade" drones (technically "munitions" as they are single use).

This is how they look:


As you can see, they look like a crap taken from a "Five below" shop, uh? And that is not that far from the truth to be honest. This costs around 6000 USD and comes in two flavours - tank destroyer and ant-personnel. It works like this - your average Joe McSoldier carries a tube that is not too heavy and requires 10 minutes to get ready. This happens well away the front line and well away the usual artillery range. You do not need an exceptional IQ to use this.



The drone is launched and can roam around for 40 mins or so and cover a few tens of miles. It carries sensors and the like and, once the operator decides there is an interesting target, it fixes on it and "kamikazes" onto it - be a tank, other vehicles or a platoon having tea.

Total cost of the operation:
Drone: 6000 USD
Infantry grunt: 30 USD per one hour of work.

Total loss for the enemy:
If hits a T-90: 2 million USDv + trained crew of 3
If hits a T-72: 0.6 million USD + trained crew of 5
If hits other stuff: 100 to 500k USD.

The big bingo is when you hit a S-400 anti-air system. We are talking millions USD.

Let's say the enemy shot's it down with a SAM:
Cost of a stinger or similar: 40k
If you are stupid and use a S-400: 10M USD

I am sure that most people in the forum understand that this is a game changer. Had Ukraine had 100 of these when the 40 mile long column was a sitting duck on the road to Kyiv, the war would have been quite different.

Remember, if you are a Russian soldier, you do not have to die for Putin. Sell your vehicle or aircraft to me or other honest buyers and see your family again some day or go west and relax all cool.

Please notice in bold my "make of it want you want" -  I can see you have followed my instructions to the letter and start imagining a tank division running to Crimea through the ice. Good boy.

Re Switchblades, they have been used in the front, so as usual you are trying to attack ad-hominem (by questioning the veracity of something that is well documented to be true), which is usually as sign of having no argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhZzsVkdLAk

Switchblade 6000 US
Tank 2000000 US

Any other questions?

The Hydra-400... you will need to tell me a bit more how this is not correct, because the vehicle exists, it has the capabilities I say and I clearly stated that is unconfirmed that these may be sent to Ukraine... so....maybe or maybe next year.

Furthermore, I would say that drones have certainly been a game changer in the war. Particularly the "suicide ones" like switchblade and many other. Just listen to a million testimonies from soldiers and view hours of footage. Not to mention the surveillance ones.

RE how many lives... as said many times before, you need to ask Putin how many more lives are still ok for him. He withdraws, pays war compensations, goes to be judged for war crimes and all this ends.

You have put forward your "peace plan" consisting in Ukraine surrendering. It simply does not work, a Ruzzia that manages to win territory from this war means a Ruzzia that comes back for more in 5 years. do not pretend to care about lives, you are just another troll... a not particularly effective one.

If you think of it is almost funny: you punch someone in the face, all the sudden you find out that the guy is actually much bigger than you thought and is hitting back - then you say "oh, come on, until when are we going to keep fighting each other". So cynical.

You can close your eyes and start imagine anything you want, there's just no need to write about it here, attempt to write something informative, constructive and objective as best as you can (surely this crap doesn't come close)

Are you saying that you can make up any fairy tale, like rumors of aliens providing weapons to Ukraine, as long as you follow it up with "Make of it what you want."? I guess the reader would make of it that you're pushing yet another silly propaganda.

-First claims switchblade will be a "game changer", does math for switchblade vs S-400
I mention that they objectively have not been a game changer, in fact not many even mention them anymore
-Now changes the tune from "game changer" to that they "have been used in the front"  Huh and then generalizes so switchblades became "drones have certainly been a game changer" and finally claims ad hominem?

Does more silly math, now can you do the same kind of math for RU mine vs Leopard 2, and attempt to explain what conclusions can be drawn from that and the point of such maths? Weren't there claims from UA of some soldier shooting down a RU jet with some firearm, do math on that cost of bullet vs jet to mislead some more.

What next shall we expect from you, how Ukraine might receive LGM-30G Minuteman, maybe or maybe next year, or a year after that, or never?
I have seen hours of footage of drones, but probably unlike you, I've seen hours of footage from both sides. If you watch them one sided, only conclusion that can be made is that drones are used and video serves as a great propaganda and morale booster for both sides. So the real questions is not whether drones are effective weapon, but which side is benefit from them more? Now I'd love to hear some analysis on that, like a chart of monthly UA claimed drone launches and their claimed success rate, or some proposal for 10.000s of thousand of drones for UA? Here's some info on the RU side:

Cheap Russian drone a menace to Ukrainian troops and equipment
...
As Russia's invasion enters its 17th month, Ukrainian forces say Moscow is ramping up its use of low-cost suicide drones that are capable of destroying equipment many times their value and not easy to defend against
...
Videos posted by pro-Russian social media channels over the last month appear to show Lancet drones damaging or destroying Ukraine's valuable Western-donated equipment, such as a Leopard 2 tank and a Caesar self-propelled howitzer.
...
Ukrainian servicemen from four different artillery crews named Lancets as one of the main threats they faced on the battlefield in conversations with Reuters.

Several soldiers said the frequency of its use had increased in recent months.
"Earlier, in spring, they were not using Lancets as often as they are now," 35-year-old artillery gunner Bohdan, who gave his call sign as Doc, told Reuters near Avdiivka on the Donetsk region frontlines.
...
Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine's defence minister, acknowledged that Russia's increasing use of Lancets created difficulties.
...
However, despite being less powerful than an artillery shell or most rockets, the Lancet appears to be able to inflict significant damage.


Lancet: The Russian Kamikaze Drone Blunting Ukraine's Counteroffensive. Russia’s ZALA Lancet drones have emerged as one of the biggest dangers faced by Ukrainian forces amid Kyiv’s ongoing counteroffensive, and frontline troops say use of the drones has ramped up in recent months.


Inside the Russian effort to build 6,000 attack drones with Iran’s help
Leaked documents show that Moscow is progressing toward its goal of mass-producing UAVs it could use to pummel Ukrainian cities
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This was Russia’s billion-dollar weapons deal with Iran coming to life in November, 500 miles east of Moscow in the Tatarstan region. Its aim is to domestically build 6,000 drones by summer 2025
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Altogether, the documents indicate that, despite delays and a production process that is deeply reliant on foreign-produced electronic components, Moscow has made steady progress toward its goal of manufacturing a variant of the Iranian Shahed-136, an attack drone capable of traveling more than 1,000 miles.
...
The engineers also are exploring improvements to the drone itself, including making it capable of swarm attacks in which the UAVs autonomously coordinate a strike on a target.
...
Even so, David Albright, a former U.N. weapons inspector who helped lead the research team that studied the documents, said: “Alabuga looks to be seeking a drone developmental capability that exceeds Iran’s.”
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“Russia has a credible way of building over the next year or so a capability to go from periodically launching tens of imported Shahed-136 kamikaze drones against Ukrainian targets to more regularly attacking with hundreds of them,” Albright told The Post.

This is to show some indication of scale of drones on the RU side and their effects, and it's from a western source, so safe to say that you should expect them to downplay RU capabilities. I'd venture a guess that one of the prime targets for RU would be to completely knock out UA power grid this winter which they failed to fully achieve last winter. For that they need to save up a lot of drones/missiles, the fact that they're still using dozens of drones/missiles now (instead of saving for the winter) shows that they feel comfortable in their capabilities to achieve needed scale before the winter. Naturally, UA needs to do everything to force RU to use up as much of their stock now instead of piling them up for the winter.

Edit: As far as "peace plan", you're not a kid who can just claim something doesn't work for him and that's it, there's no free lunch and there's cost to everything. Do you think anyone asked Cuba whether US blockade works for it? The two possible outcomes is either miracle comes and UA is somehow able to push to the sea of Azov thus having a stronger position before eventual negotiations (looking more and more unlikely), or our overlords said that the outcome is binary so we either suicide everyone or return 1991 borders.
159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: September 18, 2023, 03:05:15 AM
Unconfirmed - pro-Ruzzian sources are speaking of an evacuation by Ukraine of nearly all villages along the dnipro river ; during winter, the river will be covered by a 1 foot thick layer of solid ice; There's no "Surovikin" line in the shores of the rives. Make of it what you want.

Also (unconfirmed rumour), UK has sent to Ukraine a drone capable of carrying and launching an anti-air missile. The compensation for job risk may raise quite fast for Ruzzian helicopter pilots.

edited to add:
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/09/14/uk-drone-fires-missiles/


Hydra 400 - This can be carried in the back of a truck and be ready to fly in a few minutes. My guess, UK is going to "combat test-it" in Ruzzian helicopters. I think sales will be good in the future.


Well lets see, in Kherson  coldest month is January with Average High:1.4C, Average low:-4.4C, Daily mean:-1.6C so a foot thick layer of solid ice on a river with moving water without a dam you say? A light car *might* be able to drive through if it gets extra cold, but forget about tanks. So sending soldiers in without heavy armor where they're backed into a river and all of the resupply lines and retreat would go over ice? You must be some kind of general, what could possibly go wrong with such plan? How many thousands of soldier lives should they try this ingenious plan with?



Can you stop these silly propaganda rumors? I'm still not sure if you're spreading this hopium for yourself, or you actually believe that you are convincing anyone that some miracle game changer weapon that can change the outcome of the war is just right around the corner? Anyone with half a brain would laugh at these "rumors". Deja vu

The latest shipment of weapons from US to Ukraine includes a significant number of "switchblade" drones (technically "munitions" as they are single use).

This is how they look:


As you can see, they look like a crap taken from a "Five below" shop, uh? And that is not that far from the truth to be honest. This costs around 6000 USD and comes in two flavours - tank destroyer and ant-personnel. It works like this - your average Joe McSoldier carries a tube that is not too heavy and requires 10 minutes to get ready. This happens well away the front line and well away the usual artillery range. You do not need an exceptional IQ to use this.



The drone is launched and can roam around for 40 mins or so and cover a few tens of miles. It carries sensors and the like and, once the operator decides there is an interesting target, it fixes on it and "kamikazes" onto it - be a tank, other vehicles or a platoon having tea.

Total cost of the operation:
Drone: 6000 USD
Infantry grunt: 30 USD per one hour of work.

Total loss for the enemy:
If hits a T-90: 2 million USDv + trained crew of 3
If hits a T-72: 0.6 million USD + trained crew of 5
If hits other stuff: 100 to 500k USD.

The big bingo is when you hit a S-400 anti-air system. We are talking millions USD.

Let's say the enemy shot's it down with a SAM:
Cost of a stinger or similar: 40k
If you are stupid and use a S-400: 10M USD

I am sure that most people in the forum understand that this is a game changer. Had Ukraine had 100 of these when the 40 mile long column was a sitting duck on the road to Kyiv, the war would have been quite different.

Remember, if you are a Russian soldier, you do not have to die for Putin. Sell your vehicle or aircraft to me or other honest buyers and see your family again some day or go west and relax all cool.
160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 14, 2023, 04:15:08 PM
This makes sense once you realize that the agencies tasked with regulation and oversight can't even decide what is and what isn't a security even as they decide to charge you with selling a security without a licence.

I think Binance comes out of this relatively unscathed with lessons learned for all involved.

Soma


Very well said! The regulators are still pretending to be in a crypto wild west. Although personally, I believe they are in a regulations wild west.

To play a devil's advocate, the fact of regulating would automatically add legitimacy to the asset. You cannot fight/ban/(deny ETF of) an asset that you yourself "regulate". They cannot regulate and claim something is being manipulated at the same time. While there's no clear signal from above (whether to embrace or fight BTC) market will quietly decide for them which suits me just fine. Slow and steady, tick tock...
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