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1441  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-21] Cloud-Mining Service Hashflare Disables Bitcoin Mining Contracts on: July 24, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
Several businesses related to mining in clouds have been disabled in the last months. The reality is that many of them never re-raise the money earned on new rigs. They used it for speculation.

Sending money to these companies is an absurd risk. Much better to buy Bitcoin directly.
1442  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin nearing %50 crypto marketcap domination on: July 24, 2018, 07:03:11 AM

I think this increase is just a prelude to Bull Run. Soon we will have a race to the alts.

But what I really think is important, is that the BTC is still dominant as the main asset for trading the alts. It is totally dominant in this respect. No other approaches. This shows the great liquidity and a possibility of the price to always be correct anywhere on the planet.

1443  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-22] China's Crypto Millionaires Are Using Bitcoin to Buy Real Estate Ab on: July 24, 2018, 04:53:57 AM
Chinese buy MANY real estate around the world. Especially in big capitals. Cosmopolitan and traditional cities. They do it as Store of Value. It is not exactly an investment seeking a large percentage of return. They want only not lose what they have. And that risk exists.

Now, imagine if they really rediscovered the potential that Bitcoin has not only as an exchange of values. But mainly, as a reserve of value. And they do not need a real estate. They just need a paper wallet.

Chinese buy houses on Canada
Chinese buy a lot of houses on Uk
Chines buys houses on NY
1444  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-23] Bitcoin Price Hits $7700 as Other Coins Remain Relatively Sluggish on: July 24, 2018, 04:43:47 AM
I believe it is an excellent accumulation zone for those who believe in some projects other than Bitcoin. Alts did not follow BTC this time. And it could be that the BTC reaches 50% up to the definition on the ETF. Many should be betting on this right now. But a climb beyond the 8k would indicate the Bull run that everyone expects and the alts would rise wildly. Providing an optimum opportunity for taking profit  and reorganization of the portfolio dumping the stupid coins.
1445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Which deeply lowered coins do you think will come back? on: July 24, 2018, 02:21:37 AM
WeTrust- It could be worth a lot. It's a niche opportunity that finds logic in the blockchain. They have vitalik as a direct consultant. It's already worth more than 100 mm in the recent past. It is quite probable that with the return of Bull Market could be worth at least 50 million in market cap.
1446  Other / Meta / Re: [Tips] Guide for forum search on: July 21, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
You can use duckduckgo.com as well. By not tracking your searches and not tracking you anywhere you visit on the internet, I would recommend using it instead of google.
They use the same codes as google. Just enter the terms you want to search followed by:

Code:
site:https://bitcointalk.org

So if you want to search for satoshi, it would look like this:
Code:
satoshi site:https://bitcointalk.org
satoshi

You can search in specific sections too. You just need to put the right number of the section.

Altcoin discussion is number 67.
Code:
site:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67 
Ethereum

Bounties is number 238
Code:
site:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238
pay me to

Development & Technical Discussion is number 6
Code:
site:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6
To find discussions about fee on Technical Discussion fee site:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6
1447  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk forum social media channels? on: July 21, 2018, 02:56:34 AM
This twitter says that is the official account. But nobody posts anything there since November. I do not know if it is official as I didn't find any post from @cobra or @Theymos about this.

1448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Any Trusted BTC Wallet? on: July 20, 2018, 03:10:59 PM
If I were you I would invest money into a hardware wallet like ledger nano s. The gain in security is worth every penny!
Hardware wallets are just a techno gimmick which provide the users a false sense of security, period.

Everything that's installed to a computer that was connected to the internet are vulnerable to hacks, but it's not the main reason not to trust them.

OP is asking for Trusted Bitcoin wallets and the wallets from the list on bitcoin.org is a strong indicator that those can be trusted.
Try Electrum; I trust it, HCP trusts it, Bob Trusts it, mostly everyone does and it's on the list.

So you have your opinion about hardware wallets, is it based on your personal experience or you know an example when some user lost his coins in a way that hardware wallet is hacked? How much is known to me something like that is did not happen so far, so why hardware wallets by you "provide the users a false sense of security"?

You say try Electrum, nothing wrong in that, it is well know and trusted wallet, but in terms of security there is so many bad things which can happen when using Electrum :

- User can download fake Electrum wallet (dozens of fake page just waiting for the victims )
- Clipboard malware which change addresses inside Electrum
- RAT (Remote Access Trojan)
- Still unknown security vulnerabilities

Most of this is solved in hardware wallets, private keys are always encrypted in device and seed is never exposed to your PC. I do not say hardware wallets are 100% safe, but in comparison to desktop wallets are incomparably safer.

All the problems that you are indicating are possible problems with the OS, not with Electrum.
These problems can be solved if you switch to using Tails, for example. That already comes with the electrum installed. The seed you would have to put on a paper. But in a hardware Wallet, you also have to save it on paper.

Hardware wallet is very good. But they are also extremely expensive depending on where you live. They draw much more attention if you want to travel with it.

If the goal is to popularize the use, always recommend using a hardware wallet makes it harder for those who are starting now to be enchanted by the BTC. The initial cost gets very expensive. Just to put it in perspective, in Brazil buy a Ledger in a Big Store would cost more them half of a minimum wage.

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Last year Brazil's federal government increased the minimum wage to R$937.00 per month (US$287.89), which corresponds to R$4.26 per hour or R$31.23 per day.
https://www.amazon.com.br/Ledger-Nano-Carteira-Hardware-Bitcoin/dp/B01J66NF46
R$ 599,00


1449  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Generate 12 word seed for hardware wallet on: July 20, 2018, 04:45:36 AM
Ian Coleman website is the best for this kind of things, IMO. But why you didn't put the model of the hardware wallet here? It would make everything easier as it could be a hidden function of the wallet, as @HCP has said.
1450  Bitcoin / Press / [2018-07-19]By 2020 Ethereum’s Market Cap Will Be Ten Times Higher Than Bitcoin’ on: July 20, 2018, 01:48:31 AM
TrustNodes

Charles Noyes, Quantitative Researcher at Pantera Capital, had a bold prediction to make during a Mena Summit last week.

The tech prodigy, who started mining bitcoin when 11 around 2010 or so, showed an almost exclusive interest in ethereum and its wider ecosystem, boldly predicting it will be ten times more valuable than bitcoin.

The little known 19 year old seems to be a prolific coder and apparently wrote a peer reviewed paper titled “Sybil Resistant P2P Range Queries over the Blockchain” when he was just 16.

His wider comments therefore, and indeed the entire session, is interesting because they highlight just at how an early stage eth is. As such, we quote at some length Noyes stating:

“I’ve been involved with ethereum since before the whitepaper was released and I’ve been thinking about when will we actually see something happen for a long time.

In many ways, people are trying to sprint a marathon before we’ve crawled. A lot of people expect that this stuff is going to happen very quickly but… it’s slow, it’s hard to code, there have been lots of security bugs and generally it’s very nascent.

But I would expect you will see a few things released this year, in 2018, that will start to give the market an inkling of what kind of things will work and how wildly successful the things that really find protocol market fit and really are able to be actually disruptive… how successful it will be in practice beyond from a speculative perspective.

A lot of stuff that is there right now is very internal. So, a couple of things like gambling are things that touch the outside world and you’re starting to see more projects that do more than just trying to fix issues within this space, but I think, at the outset of it, most of the things that will launch and be successful and be widely adopted will be things that are kind of internal to the industry and don’t go out and try to disrupt AirBnB yet.

Examples of those would be Augur, MakerDAO – very interesting project by the way for finance people, it’s essentially collateralized debt positions to create stable cryptocurrency, it’s fascinating stuff.

oX, a protocol for token exchanges. You know, fiat currency pairs scale factorially, so it’s kind of a decentralized protocol to try and help with token trading now that there’s a couple thousands of these things already.

OmiseGO, a project in South East Asia that’s trying to do very fast decentralized payments. Already partnered with a couple of extremely large companies and I think that it will be successful…

There’s a bunch out there. That’s just a shortlist of my favorites, but I think that two or three of those will launch this year and I expect that FunFair – decentralized gambling project – I think that a couple of those will launch this year. TrustNodes
1451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC climbs as Congress decides TODAY if crypto is really 'MONEY' on: July 19, 2018, 03:55:30 PM
People need to stop interviewing eToro when it comes to cryptocurrencies. They have no idea what that is. They're just trying to surf on speculation like it's a casino. You can not buy Bitcoin there. The only thing you buy is the virtual paper they call Bitcoin. You can not withdraw and send to your wallet. You can not send to a friend, cannot buy something with it. There is no interaction with Blockchain.

That represents everything Satoshi was against.
1452  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 65th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD BITCOIN KEYCHAIN on: July 19, 2018, 01:16:40 PM
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tks =)
1453  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-07-17] Coinbase Cleared to List Crypto Securities on: July 19, 2018, 04:36:57 AM
Blomber
“It is not correct to say that the SEC and FINRA approved Coinbase’s purchase of Keystone because SEC was not involved in the approval process,” Coinbase spokeswoman Rachael Horwitz said in an email Tuesday.



They did not get SEC approval because they did not need it. But they are still moving in the direction to operate as a broker-dealer, So that's still great news.


1454  Economy / Economics / Vitalik Buterin on Cryptoeconomics and Markets in Everything on: July 19, 2018, 04:19:44 AM
conversations with tyler

COWEN: If you think about economics — what you’ve taught yourself — what do you think of as the central ideas relevant for cryptoeconomics, which is a term I think you coined?

BUTERIN: I would say that cryptoeconomics, first of all, is economics. It’s not like we’re inventing some completely different parallel society with a different parallel economy and different rules, but it is economics specialized to a particular set of circumstances. Then you have to ask yourself, “Well, what describes those circumstances?” There are a few major parts to that answer.

First of all, whatever mechanisms you have in cryptoeconomics land have to be fully specified exactly — not exactly to the standards of a court judge, but exactly to the standards of a computer programmer. What that means is that there’s a lot of things that you can’t do.

For example, you can’t say in cryptoeconomics, “It’s illegal to bribe people,” because there’s really no simple way to define what a bribe is. If someone really wants to bribe someone else, he can just go and do that outside of the protocol, and the protocol would have no way to tell.

Whatever your rules are for rewarding, penalizing inside of the mechanism, they have to be specified as a piece of Solidity code, Viper code, whatever programming language you’re using in that set. That’s a much tighter constraint than policymakers writing laws have.

Another one is, of course, that all of the actors are anonymous, and what that means in practice is that you cannot drag people’s utility down below zero. If I have 70 ether, and I put that 70 ether into a mechanism, the worst thing you can do to me is you can take away that 70 ether.

You cannot throw me in jail. You cannot socially ostracize me so I can’t earn any money again because I can always just switch identities. But to the extent that I’m willing to lock that ether up and make it vulnerable to a mechanism, then you have the ability to motivate me to that extent.

Cryptoeconomics is basically taking economics with those particular constraints and then adding together insights from fields that are fairly close by to the cryptocurrency space — particularly cryptography, information theory, math, and distributed systems, including all of the research around consensus algorithms, hash functions, signatures, zero-knowledge proofs, and what we know about all of those primitives.

Basically we’re trying to figure out, given these constraints and given these building blocks, what kind of systems and what kind of mechanisms can we design to achieve the properties that we want? And under what kinds of assumptions do those properties hold?

COWEN: What’s the contribution or understanding you wish economics could give you that it hasn’t given you yet? What problem do you want it to solve for you?

BUTERIN: I think that once you start getting into the weeds, and you try to move beyond very simple things like proof of work, the simplest versions of proof of stake, and the tricks that we’ve known about since 2009 or 2013, then you get into this situation where you realize the kinds of problems that you run into when you try to incentivize behavior.

Particularly when you run into things like what I call speaker/listener fault equivalence, which is basically this idea that if the protocol requires Alice to send a message to Bob, and the protocol detects that Bob never showed a message from Alice, then the protocol knows that either it’s because Alice forgot to speak or it’s because Bob pretended not to listen.

Then, under those kinds of conditions, trying to figure out what is the right way to motivate Alice and motivate Bob while preserving all sorts of different properties. These are questions that are very close to questions that game theorists, mechanism designers, people in the economics community have already had a lot of things to say about. There definitely are results from the existing fields of economics and game theory that have helped significantly in that regard.

Another whole aspect is also the broader and social question of how will blockchain-based systems actually end up affecting society?

What is a blockchain’s unique competitive advantage? What are things that you can do with blockchains that you can do only with more difficulty without them? Trying to go from there and zero in and try to figure out exactly what industries and what kind of applications in those industries should be going after.

Do the things at the application layer that we’re trying to build even make sense? Should we modify them in some way to have them make more sense? I do think that people from the economics community have a lot to say about that.

Alex Tabarrok, for example, had that very nice post on Marginal Revolution a couple of weeks back, where he talked about blockchains in terms of being an alternative to platform monopolies, and I thought that was a very good insight.

I thought that the general idea that a blockchain is one of the few tools that allows you to credibly commit to not turning into a monopolistic jerk is actually a really interesting insight and one that I have arrived at myself, but it definitely helps to have it be crystallized in that way.
1455  Economy / Services / Re: MOZO Sig and Avatar Campaign(100 open slots) on: July 19, 2018, 02:49:11 AM
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1456  Other / Politics & Society / Zuckerberg: why he thinks FB shouldn't take down posts that deny the Holocaust on: July 19, 2018, 02:45:02 AM
Zuckerberg: The Recode interview
Everything was on the table — and after Facebook’s wildest year yet, that’s a really big table.



Okay. “Sandy Hook didn’t happen” is not a debate. It is false. You can’t just take that down?

I agree that it is false.

I also think that going to someone who is a victim of Sandy Hook and telling them, “Hey, no, you’re a liar” — that is harassment, and we actually will take that down. But overall, let’s take this whole closer to home...

I’m Jewish, and there’s a set of people who deny that the Holocaust happened.

I find that deeply offensive. But at the end of the day, I don’t believe that our platform should take that down because I think there are things that different people get wrong. I don’t think that they’re intentionally getting it wrong, but I think-

In the case of the Holocaust deniers, they might be, but go ahead.

It’s hard to impugn intent and to understand the intent. I just think, as abhorrent as some of those examples are, I think the reality is also that I get things wrong when I speak publicly. I’m sure you do. I’m sure a lot of leaders and public figures we respect do too, and I just don’t think that it is the right thing to say, “We’re going to take someone off the platform if they get things wrong, even multiple times.” (Update: Mark has clarified these remarks here: “I personally find Holocaust denial deeply offensive, and I absolutely didn’t intend to defend the intent of people who deny that.”)

What we will do is we’ll say, “Okay, you have your page, and if you’re not trying to organize harm against someone, or attacking someone, then you can put up that content on your page, even if people might disagree with it or find it offensive.” But that doesn’t mean that we have a responsibility to make it widely distributed in News Feed. I think we, actually, to the contrary-

So you move them down? Versus, in Myanmar, where you remove it?

Yes.

Can I ask you that, specifically about Myanmar? How did you feel about those killings and the blame that some people put on Facebook? Do you feel responsible for those deaths?

I think that we have a responsibility to be doing more there.

I want to know how you felt.

Yes, I think that there’s a terrible situation where there’s underlying sectarian violence and intention. It is clearly the responsibility of all of the players who were involved there. So, the government, civil society, the different folks who were involved, and I think that we have an important role, given the platform, that we play, so we need to make sure that we do what we need to. We’ve significantly ramped up the investment in people who speak Burmese. It’s often hard, from where we sit, to identify who are the figures who are promoting hate and what is going to... which is the content that is going to incite violence? So it’s important that we build relationships with civil society and folks there who can help us identify that.

I want make sure that our products are used for good. At the end of the day, other people blaming us or not is actually not the thing that matters to me. It’s not that every single thing that happens on Facebook is gonna be good. This is humanity. People use tools for good and bad, but I think that we have a clear responsibility to make sure that the good is amplified and to do everything we can to mitigate the bad.

Let me give you another example. When Live came up, one of the terrible use cases where people were using ... There were a small number of uses of this, but people were using it to ... show themselves [doing] self-harm, or there were even a few cases of suicide. We looked at this, we’re like, “This is terrible. This is not what we want the product to be. This is terrible, and if this is happening and we can help prevent it, then we have a responsibility to.”

So, what did we do? We took the time to build AI tools and to hire a team of 3,000 people to be able to respond to those live videos within 10 minutes. Most content on Facebook, we try to get to within hours or within a day, if it comes up, and obviously, if someone’s gonna harm themselves, you don’t have a day or hours. You have to get to that quickly. With all the millions of videos that are posted, we had to build this combination of an AI system that could flag content that our reviewers should look at, and then hire a specific team trained and dedicated to that, so that way they could review all the things very quickly and have a very low latency.

In the last six months, we’ve been able to help first responders get to more than a thousand people who needed help quickly because of that effort.


1457  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Bitmain controls close to 51% of mining hash on: July 19, 2018, 12:48:57 AM
Vitalik Buterin talked about this possibility in a recent interview. According to him, we underestimated the oligopoly of the current PoW system on Bitcoin.

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COWEN: As Ethereum and perhaps other groups move from proof of work to proof of stake or some kind of intermediate weighted average solution, to what extent will this require more institutional trust in Ethereum or the other intermediaries, and will that be centralizing?

BUTERIN: I would actually expect that, on net, it would require less institutional trust. Part of this is just because a lot of people don’t realize the sheer level of centralization in proof of work already.

In Bitcoin, there is one person, Jihan Wu, who controls the largest two mining pools in bitcoin that add out to 42 percent of the network.

And 42 percent isn’t enough to do a 51 percent attack, but it is enough to do selfish mining, which is enough to reduce other people’s profits to the point where they drop out, and you can do a 51 percent attack.

Granted, these are pools, but a very large portion of that 42 percent, I believe, actually is his own hardware.

I think, because we’re used to it, people do underestimate the oligopoly and the rich-get-richer and the trust that’s necessary inside of proof-of-work systems already.

For example, bitcoin users already trust Jihan Wu and Wang Chun to not team up and start doing 51 percent attacks pretty much every day. They seem to be nice enough or at least rationally self-interested enough not to do that, but that’s definitely still institutional trust.

https://medium.com/conversations-with-tyler/vitalik-buterin-tyler-cowen-cryptocurrency-blockchain-tech-3a2b20c12c97
1458  Local / Português (Portuguese) / [Lista] Principais Algoritmos de Consenso on: July 18, 2018, 08:04:48 PM
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Consenso: Uma opinião ou decisão geralmente aceita entre um grupo de pessoas.
Algoritmo: Um conjunto de regras para realizar uma tarefa em um determinado número de etapas.
Combinando os dois, você obtém: um conjunto de regras e várias etapas para realizar uma decisão geralmente aceita entre um grupo de pessoas.


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Miners têm que resolver um problema computacional complexo, mas inútil, para adicionar um bloco de transações no blockchain.
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Cada Byzantine General, responsável por sua própria chain, classificam as mensagens conforme elas chegam para estabelecer a verdade. No Ripple, os generais (validadores) são pré-selecionados pela fundação Ripple. Na Stellar, qualquer um pode ser um validador, então você escolhe em quais validadores confiar.
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Não encontrei nenhuma lista com os algoritimos e com links para estudo e pesquisa. Nem nas seções em inglês. Então resolvi fazer uma e postar nas duas linguas. Ainda tem muita coisa pra editar e acrecentar.

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1459  Other / Meta / Re: History on Bitcointalk - Mining equipment scams, shams and failed deliveries. on: July 18, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
It is extremely gratifying to open the Meta Section and among many topics discussing merits, allegedly hacked accounts, and other meaningless discussions, be able to read a new topic from your or DdmrDdmr. Thank you for that.
1460  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 64th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD BITCOIN KEYCHAIN on: July 18, 2018, 02:36:21 PM
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Thank you.
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