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1441  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: March 11, 2013, 12:50:08 PM
Hi folks,

I'm Alan and new to this forum (and also new to the Bitcoin mining business).

I have to say that I don't like the "newbie restrictions" since I have an urgent request in a specific thread. A solution would've been a verification email with a code in it or something like that, or a captcha code for these so called "newbies".

Anyway, I guess I have to wait four hours.

Cheers,
Alan

or ask here in a new thread.
1442  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Feedbacks on Avalon-Asic.com on: March 11, 2013, 12:47:23 AM
Does anyone even have an asic yet?

The BTC pool claims that there are Avalon units.  Their pool speed chart seems to suggest that they started coming on line about March 7.

There is a thread where people are discussing the deliveries.

1443  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Feedbacks on Avalon-Asic.com on: March 10, 2013, 09:48:27 PM
By that logic, all bank tellers embezzle and banks are not safe.  It is not, in fact, how the world works, and it is destructive to civilization.

I fail to see your analogy.

While it's entirely possible that Avalon not interested in profit at all, and that he's selling his ASIC product at or below cost, it doesn't seem that way.

If he's selling for a profit, then he is expecting to make at least *some* money on his endeavor. As gapthemind pointed out, he could make more money by running the miners himself than by selling them.

That said, there are a couple of factors involved. If he turns on all 300 of his batch, how would that affect difficulty? How many of his potential customers would drop out of the market because the profits have lowered? How long would it take for him to recoup his initial investment, as opposed to selling them outright?



[speculation]
I assume he is interested in making back all of his expenses, and a reasonable income from his professional time.  I don't see evidence that he is blinded by greed or willing to act unethically.

A completely different thing that he could do is to make a best in class effort to deliver what he promised on time and within budget without a lot of public posturing.
I think there is about another month for him to deliver my Avalon batch #2, so at this time this is entirely feasible.
Then to use the experience to silently produce version 2 of the ASIC.  Some potential changes are 1)  smaller line size, 2) choose a few alternate design decisions, or 3) Use them in-house only, 4) offer the founding customers a *really* good deal.


[/speculation]

There is at least as much evidence for all of my speculation as there is for any darker speculation.
1444  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Feedbacks on Avalon-Asic.com on: March 10, 2013, 08:27:26 PM
I am really not sure if more then few ppl who ordered it will wil get it. There is no logic for then to ship aways something that can make them 100s of thousands of $$$ in a month oh so...

Few will be delivered but not more then 5%.

I think his goal is to make bitcoin better, not to make some cash now.
If cash is your only goal, your life is empty.
I notice he announces real news.  He does not spew negative thoughts that he cannot justify.


Money makes the World go around my friend Smiley

Im talking about asics that should have eben delivered months ago. Lets say that you can make about 7coins/day with one rig that has a cost about 1500$, at the current price per bit coin you can earn 300$+ each day so you can pay one rig in less then 5 days. In a month person who owns just 1 rig can make  profit of about 10K dollars. Now tell me, do you think any sane person would ship 300 of those rigs that he has or he would sit on them and earn more then 2mill$ in one month?


By that logic, all bank tellers embezzle and banks are not safe.  It is not, in fact, how the world works, and it is destructive to civilization.
1445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does everyone keep calling them fees? They're not fees, they're BIDS! on: March 10, 2013, 04:23:03 PM
When one pays a so-called "fee" for a transaction, it's not really a fee at all. It's a bid! It's simply bidding for space in the next available block.

So-called miners are the entities auctioning block-space to the highest bidders.

I've been wondering why there has been so much confusion surrounding the whole "increasing the block-space" thing, and I think it at least partly boils down to a highly misleading nickname. They're not fees, they're bids!

The way I understand it, every time a new block is discovered, an auction occurs and individual kilobytes of that block are auctioned off to the highest bidders. However, at the moment there's a problem because it seems like such a crappy opaque process with very little market transparency. This needs to be improved. Before requesting any transaction, I want to know the "going rate" and the estimated delivery time depending on how much i BID.

Agree? Disagree? Please discuss. Smiley

I always understood that they were bids.  It's not clear to me how anyone could view them any differently.
1446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does everyone keep calling them fees? They're not fees, they're BIDS! on: March 10, 2013, 04:18:06 PM
If they were called bids, then I would assume that I could increase my bid at any time - which would actually be pretty cool. If I'm not seeing my 0.0005 BTC "bid" getting through in 30 minutes or so and I'm getting kind of frustrated, I could double or triple my bid to increase the likelihood of it going through in the next few minutes.

Create a double spend transaction with the same inputs and outputs, but a different "confirmation urgency bid"

1447  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Feedbacks on Avalon-Asic.com on: March 10, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
I am really not sure if more then few ppl who ordered it will wil get it. There is no logic for then to ship aways something that can make them 100s of thousands of $$$ in a month oh so...

Few will be delivered but not more then 5%.

I think his goal is to make bitcoin better, not to make some cash now.
If cash is your only goal, your life is empty.
I notice he announces real news.  He does not spew negative thoughts that he cannot justify.
1448  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Soft block size limit reached, action required by YOU on: March 09, 2013, 12:53:45 PM

Seriously Mike? People will use miners for heat? Man for a smart engineer you sure say some pretty stupid things.

We have a wind turbine and -20°F temperatures.
Why ship electricity when we can have heat and ship bitcoin?
1449  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTB In Hand Avalon Asic on: March 08, 2013, 04:15:04 PM
Seems like there is no winning this argument for me. When I first made my offer, someone calls me a bluffer. Now after BTC price skyrockets, my offer has become a lowball. I am OBO for anyone that has one in-hand to sell. Grin

I don't know if this thread might interest you.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148101.msg0#new
1450  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTB In Hand Avalon Asic on: March 08, 2013, 04:09:25 PM
Seems like there is no winning this argument for me. When I first made my offer, someone calls me a bluffer. Now after BTC price skyrockets, my offer has become a lowball. I am OBO for anyone that has one in-hand to sell. Grin

Bitcoin is a bit of an ugly audience to play to.
1451  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: March 08, 2013, 02:56:56 PM
well, i don't see people claiming that tracking numbers are received. Even the already delivered AVALONs were out
of the blue?
I went to the DHL depot here (Brussels) around noon to pick up my 3 units of batch #1. I had to pick them up personally as the shipping info indicated a personal account and not a company and had to pay VAT and import duty with a card. It cost me about EUR 60 / unit.

If the shipping label would have been complete with our company name and VAT number, it would have been delivered to our offices but frankly this was a trip where I did not mind taking the car and taking delivery just before the weekend ;-)

it took one hour to to unbox them and have them up and running.

Just can have a look at the btcguild.com, I've created team Avalon

https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings&section=teams

(Note that other people can join the team, it's not locked with a PIN)
(edit: there is about 14 GH/s of FPGA stats in there, each avalon gets about 68 GH/s)

A big thank you to Yifu, NGZhang, xiangfu and the ant workers that assembled the machines

My Avalon is not here, but I joined the team.  From the stats, can you tell which one I am :-)
1452  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Help with virwox on: March 08, 2013, 02:03:31 AM
Does anyone know if this site is legit or a scam as Am reading up on it and cant find many subjects on the matter and not seen any resent details on it.

VirVox is legit.

I have a several year old avatar in SL, and I registered with VirWox a few years ago.  I sent sufficient Second Life Lindens to VirVox to buy 1 Bitcoin, my very first Bitcoin.  This was my first withdrawal from VirVox.  This transaction was held up for a day or two.  It is almost guaranteed that the first transaction from anything connected with Second Life is scrutinized and delayed.

1453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt / bitcoind version 0.8.0 released on: March 03, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
can you remember the smell of paper tape?

I remember my Dad used to bring rolls of it home from work and we'd make Christmas decorations out of it.  I remember starting to decode a tape one time, looking up the ASCII codes one by one and hoping to find official secrets or something.  I gave up after "10 REM STAR TREK GAME" or some such.

LOL.  Looks like you did.
1454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt / bitcoind version 0.8.0 released on: February 27, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Remember when software was purchased as source code printed out in magazines and you had to key it all in to use it?

Sometimes they would just publish the binary, as a hex dump, and you had to type in the hex characters.  That was really painful.  At least while typing in source code you could get an idea of what was going on.  But hex just looks like hex...

can you remember the smell of paper tape?
1455  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt / bitcoind version 0.8.0 released on: February 26, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
I'm running Ubuntu 12.04, all upgrades applied, in a VirtualBox.  Almost all networking is IPv6.  The VirtualBox has 512 MB (<--small, I know) RAM.
The host machine is a dell Optiplex GX620, XP-SP3, 4 GB ram, 3.00 GHz pentium 4

I created a new virtual machine, created a disk specifically for bitcoin, and mounted it on ~/.bitcoin.  I used ssh to copy the ~/.bitcoin directory over from the 0.7 installation.

My bitcoin.conf file includes
  connect=<my 0.7 installation address>
  onlynet=IPv6
  logtimestamps=1
  server=1

At startup, 0.8 seemed to index about 10-15 blocks / second.  I started it mid-day and the projections were that it would finish by 8PM last night.

At about 6AM this morning, it was still about 2,000 blocks from being indexed.  The speed had slowed to about 10-12 seconds / block.

With block 223,261 now onboard and everything current, and after erasing the old blockindex.dat file, du . shows 6,842,184 bytes.  This includes some logfiles that include timestamps.

One thing I notice is that the menu (File, Help, & such) does not seem to display if the program is shut down, and then restarted.  If the window is maximized, these items show up again.





1456  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Batch #1 Ships on: February 25, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
Filling that bottle with cold water could slow down heating of the whole box, too.
\

Or add condensation....... I'd bondo a small angular shunt in there to force the air.... also I'd load that bad boy with some Deltas for fans

I live in Minnesota.  I'd add a thermostatic re-circulating mixer so the input air isn't too cold.
1457  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC batch 2, OpenWRT, VirtualBox, IPv6-Hurricane Electric Tunnel on: February 25, 2013, 10:16:45 PM
You dont have to use openwrt on the machine for routing / running bitcoind.
it seems you are looking for solo mining or p2pool? personally the solo miner should keep the connections to big known nodes.

I know learning to configure openwrt could be helpful, but it seems xiangfu wont let you install any other packages, so ipv6 on the openwrt of the embedded 703n is not possible unless you'd like to spend time recompiling.

I'm just excited / anxious about getting the box, I think I should prepare somehow and can't think of anything else intelligent to do.  I've set almost everything in my SOHO/lab to work with IPv6, so I naturally thought I would do the same with the Avalon.  I GPU mined for a few days on a couple of different pools, that seemed to go ok, though I'll never get close to the payout threshold with GPU.

I've made a couple of PCBs, so I have a tiny bit of skill.  I don't feel called on to do that much customization on the Avalon, as I view it as an appliance, at least until it is paid for.

Still, it bugs me now that I don't have OpenWRT working.  I don't really see how that is OT in a Bitcoin forum, but by all means feel free to go there.
1458  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: February 24, 2013, 09:09:03 PM
I know they all need unique IP but I'm surprised they're not configured to use DHCP by default. Anyway, I'll see when my unit arrive.

I downloaded a copy of OpenWRT and started it in a VirtualBox.  I configured a second VirtualBox to have a 192.168.1.x subnet & a web browser.
I was able to do a significant amount of configuration through the interface.  This includes a download of the IPv6 software.

I have not used OpenWRT before, so I am trying to gain experience .  I would like to correspond with some people who are interested in these three things:

(Avalon ASIC batch 2, OpenWRT, VirtualBox, IPv6-Hurricane Electric Tunnel)
1459  Bitcoin / Hardware / Avalon ASIC batch 2, OpenWRT, VirtualBox, IPv6-Hurricane Electric Tunnel on: February 24, 2013, 09:08:19 PM
Oh, I think this belongs in custom hardware as much as anywhere else.

I am studying OpenWRT in preparation of the arrival of an Avalon Batch 2 system.

I am using this OpenWRT system.
It is running in a VirtualBox environment. 
It has a static IPv4 upstream to the ISP.
I have a Hurricane Electric 6in4 IPv6 tunnel.
I currently run the Satoshi client on IPv6 only, and from the logs I know that there are a lot of IPv6 nodes out there.

I thought there might be some other people interested, for the same reasons.

My current status is, I can talk to the WAN and the LAN side of the OpenWRT client with both IPv4 & IPv6, but the LAN clients don't see the WAN.  I don't know if this will be a problem with the Avalon ASIC or not, so I want to get this working.  I assume it is a route or firewall issue and I can get it working with another Saturday to throw into it.

1460  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: February 24, 2013, 04:35:37 PM
Anyone who need to find the IP address of their unit could use Nmap.

Ip is well known already:)
Besides nmap is good if you know or have an idea what you are looking for:) What about scanning whole B or A network:)


Edited my post to add router log. Much more efficient. What happen if you connect 2+ units they all get the same static IP? Smiley


I believe you have to make the ip addresses unique.  Is the OpenWRT web interface installed on the systems?
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