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14741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GayPal, Pierre Omidyar, Greenwald, and the NSA on: December 14, 2013, 01:21:26 AM
Yet another reason not to trust GayPal (PayPal) and to support Bitcoin. It appears Greenwald is covering up for GayPal because of his connections to Omidyar (and maybe also because he is gay). 


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/11/bfp-breaking-news-omidyars-paypal-corporation-said-to-be-implicated-in-withheld-nsa-documents/

http://www.infowars.com/is-glenn-greenwalds-alternative-media-network-another-cia-mockingbird-operation/

The moment Paypal accepts Bitcoins , you're going to call them  BestPal and how they are the enemy of the NSA.
14742  Other / Off-topic / Re: Illuminati is out convincing you that Bitcoin is worthless. on: December 14, 2013, 01:20:23 AM
13 Terrorist bloodlines of the devil worshipers cult illuminati used one of the newspaper they own "Washington Post" to convince you that Bitcoin is going to drop 99 percent by June 2014.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/this-finance-expert-thinks-bitcoin-will-fall-99-percent-by-june/

Now , I'm starting to understand why you have that yellow button.
Do you actually believe what you're typing in here?
14743  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin Armageddon on: December 14, 2013, 01:10:21 AM
8000KW (present)
16000KW (in 2 months)
32000KW (in 3 months)
64000KW (in 4 months)
128000KW (in 5 months)
256000KW (in 6 months)
512000KW (in 7 months)
1GW (in 8 months)
2GW (in 9 months)
4GW (in 10 months)
8GW (in 11 months)
16GW (in 12 months)
32GW (in 13 months)
64GW (in 14 months)


So , let;s assume we have 8000TH , that's 4000 Cointerras

8000KW (present)           need to add another 4000
16000KW (in 2 months)    8000
32000KW (in 3 months)    16000
64000KW (in 4 months)    32000
128000KW (in 5 months)   64000
256000KW (in 6 months)   128000
512000KW (in 7 months)   256000
1GW (in 8 months)        512000
2GW (in 9 months)       1024000
4GW (in 10 months)      2M
8GW (in 11 months)      4M
16GW (in 12 months)     8M
32GW (in 13 months)     16M
64GW (in 14 months)     32M

So , in one month we'll have to produce 32 millions cointerra miners or equivalent.
I see a problem here. Cause that's the amount of Iphones Apple sells in 4 months.

yes obviously it's not possible to double forever.. eventually we will either run out of energy or material.  Either way it's not good..


I'm a bit tired but let's give it a try:
8000 kw should be 19 000 usd.  nice cost /block reward
8MW/20000 USD , that would lead to  64GW 160 millions cost/ day. Well , just to cover the cost 1 bitcoin should be worth 50 000. And this if forgetting about the cost of equipment.
And the halving in the next years.

I don't see a problem with electricity cost at all.

Again , maybe I made a mistake with the cost but still...

64GW/hour.. not day..
and even if there is no problem, what about when its 128GW, then 256GW, then 512GW??
don't stop there..

Yeah , 64GW/hour will end up costing you 160millions daily.
If we have a consumption of 512GW it's gonna be 1280 millions , 1.2 billion.

Let's watch the picture in a few years , block reward halved twice. The reward is only 1000 day.  one bitcoin should be worth 1 million dollars to sustain only the electricity cost  and almost 2.5 millions to cover the expenses with the equipment.

You see now the problem with this ?
14744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Something Like the DigitalCoin Free Bank Exist for Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2013, 01:02:24 AM

Yeah , that's the way central banks work Smiley

They aren't printing their own coins. People with DigitalCoins are depositing them into the bank. There is also nothing stopping other people from starting their own bank.

If people are depositing them into the bank , how the hell do you sell those coins to somebody else?

Btw. I'm starting to agree with you on this one:
This is starting to hurt my brain.
14745  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin Armageddon on: December 14, 2013, 12:57:26 AM
8000KW (present)
16000KW (in 2 months)
32000KW (in 3 months)
64000KW (in 4 months)
128000KW (in 5 months)
256000KW (in 6 months)
512000KW (in 7 months)
1GW (in 8 months)
2GW (in 9 months)
4GW (in 10 months)
8GW (in 11 months)
16GW (in 12 months)
32GW (in 13 months)
64GW (in 14 months)


So , let;s assume we have 8000TH , that's 4000 Cointerras

8000KW (present)           need to add another 4000
16000KW (in 2 months)    8000
32000KW (in 3 months)    16000
64000KW (in 4 months)    32000
128000KW (in 5 months)   64000
256000KW (in 6 months)   128000
512000KW (in 7 months)   256000
1GW (in 8 months)        512000
2GW (in 9 months)       1024000
4GW (in 10 months)      2M
8GW (in 11 months)      4M
16GW (in 12 months)     8M
32GW (in 13 months)     16M
64GW (in 14 months)     32M

So , in one month we'll have to produce 32 millions cointerra miners or equivalent.
I see a problem here. Cause that's the amount of Iphones Apple sells in 4 months.

yes obviously it's not possible to double forever.. eventually we will either run out of energy or material.  Either way it's not good..


I'm a bit tired but let's give it a try:
8000 kw should be 19 000 usd.  nice cost /block reward
8MW/20000 USD , that would lead to  64GW 160 millions cost/ day. Well , just to cover the cost 1 bitcoin should be worth 50 000. And this if forgetting about the cost of equipment.
And the halving in the next years.

I don't see a problem with electricity cost at all.

Again , maybe I made a mistake with the cost but still...
14746  Economy / Economics / Re: Russia suddenly booming? on: December 14, 2013, 12:49:00 AM
So know we're having a Russia Hype?
Has the Chinese one already faded?
14747  Economy / Economics / Re: BTCUSD bid at $9893 on Kapiton.se on: December 14, 2013, 12:47:08 AM
It's called a glitch.
Campbx did the same a few month ago showing 800 or so while the price was in the hundred range.
14748  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin Armageddon on: December 14, 2013, 12:44:12 AM
8000KW (present)
16000KW (in 2 months)
32000KW (in 3 months)
64000KW (in 4 months)
128000KW (in 5 months)
256000KW (in 6 months)
512000KW (in 7 months)
1GW (in 8 months)
2GW (in 9 months)
4GW (in 10 months)
8GW (in 11 months)
16GW (in 12 months)
32GW (in 13 months)
64GW (in 14 months)


So , let;s assume we have 8000TH , that's 4000 Cointerras

8000KW (present)           need to add another 4000
16000KW (in 2 months)    8000
32000KW (in 3 months)    16000
64000KW (in 4 months)    32000
128000KW (in 5 months)   64000
256000KW (in 6 months)   128000
512000KW (in 7 months)   256000
1GW (in 8 months)        512000
2GW (in 9 months)       1024000
4GW (in 10 months)      2M
8GW (in 11 months)      4M
16GW (in 12 months)     8M
32GW (in 13 months)     16M
64GW (in 14 months)     32M

So , in one month we'll have to produce 32 millions cointerra miners or equivalent.
I see a problem here. Cause that's the amount of Iphones Apple sells in 4 months.
14749  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bitcoin Armageddon on: December 14, 2013, 12:30:57 AM
People just won't be minning, cuz electricity will be cost more than btc mined ;/

but then bitcoin goes up, and it becomes profitable again


Bitcoin can't go up forever.
Also there will be lot's of improvements in energy consumptions for asic devices but that's just secondary.

The free market will solve this Smiley.
14750  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Something Like the DigitalCoin Free Bank Exist for Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2013, 12:24:33 AM
Yeah, giving away options for free sounds unsustainable. If the price drops, there's no way the "bank" could stay solvent..

It sounds unsustainable at first, yes. However, the bank is still solvent when the price drops. It is basically just a refund for the DigitalCoin that the customer bought. They don't do anything but sit on the funds the customer used to purchase the DigitalCoin until the option contract runs out.


See that "fixed rate". There you have the flaw. And as you suspected there is a really big one:).

I'm still not seeing it. See my response to 12648430.

And how is the bank acquiring those coins in the first place?
This is the piece of the puzzle.
Because if the banks is getting the coins at 100 , John buys them at 200 , they drop to 50. They have to give John back 200 , and end up with a coin they paid 100 for which is valued at 50.
And if they 'print' their own coins , then we have a central bank Smiley

My understanding is that the bank gets the coins from depositors. They then get paid dividends on the transaction fees for their deposited coins. This is starting to hurt my brain. I don't think your example would lead to them going insolvent though. The total value of their assets has remained the same in terms of DigitalCoin, and they have earn money through the transaction fee.

Yeah , that's the way central banks work Smiley
14751  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does wikipedia remind of you the beggards on this forum? on: December 14, 2013, 12:16:22 AM
Isn't begging when you ask for money while you are not giving anything back in return?
I'm not sure Wikipedia is like that.
14752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: can satoshi kill bitcoin? on: December 14, 2013, 12:09:13 AM
Code wise, bitcoin has grown beyond the control of any one person now.  However, Satoshi does own close to 1,000,000 bitcoins.  If he sold them all at one time, it would likely seriously depress the market price of bitcoins.  I think that's about the only serious negative thing he could do, and I can't imagine why he'd want to really, as I'm sure he wants his bitcoins to be worth as much as possible, just like most everyone else does.
What would stop Satoshi from launching a 51% attack?
I'd say yes he does have kill switch capability but I don't think he's interested in using it at this time.

I've heard he tried to get the miners for that 51% attack from BFL , so we're safe for a few decades.
14753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Something Like the DigitalCoin Free Bank Exist for Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2013, 12:06:52 AM
Yeah, giving away options for free sounds unsustainable. If the price drops, there's no way the "bank" could stay solvent..

It sounds unsustainable at first, yes. However, the bank is still solvent when the price drops. It is basically just a refund for the DigitalCoin that the customer bought. They don't do anything but sit on the funds the customer used to purchase the DigitalCoin until the option contract runs out.


See that "fixed rate". There you have the flaw. And as you suspected there is a really big one:).

I'm still not seeing it. See my response to 12648430.

And how is the bank acquiring those coins in the first place?
This is the piece of the puzzle.
Because if the banks is getting the coins at 100 , John buys them at 200 , they drop to 50. They have to give John back 200 , and end up with a coin they paid 100 for which is valued at 50.
And if they 'print' their own coins , then we have a central bank Smiley
14754  Other / Off-topic / Re: My next door neighbour continually smokes weed every 2-3 hours in his garden... on: December 14, 2013, 12:01:03 AM
Haha oh my god. Tell that mother fucker if he is going to smoke weed on a daily basis then he better stop inhaling all those nasty fucking chemicals and moldy weeds! Of course he throwing up especially if smoking that dirt in anything bigger than a pipe its guaranteed yack every well sized hit! I seen a mo fucka fill a bong wit some mexican shwagg budz and the smoke was dark yellow/brown yall! Thats not all natural I can tell you that shit. Anyone who decides they are going to use marijuana like nicotine addicts use tobacco, GROW YOUR OWN or get it from someone who doesnt lie/knows their shit. For this problem I would just talk to him, like "Hey man I know you like smoking ur weeds and all, but could you please do it inside, sometime I hear you throwing up in the yards and I start throwing up then my wife ect. Also, I have smelled your weeds and thrown up instantly before. Tis not good for my health, I would advise you to stop yourself, but If not please go inside buddy, I'll give you .1 next time I get some" haha Idk worth a shot, Snitches are bitches, but sometimes the police are necessary, this is a situation I would say the police should not be necessary.

Reading this , I have the feeling I smoked too much myself.
I was at the last row and my brain was screaming stop reading, you want to kill us both ?!!!!
14755  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-12-13 WSJ - India Catches Bitcoin Fever on: December 13, 2013, 11:58:27 PM

I can see another China madness , with no actual demand other than speculation backing it up.
What's next , Brazil?
14756  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-11] CNN: Can Bitcoin replace PayPal? on: December 13, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Prediction: Paypal will adopt XBT as a new 'currency' soon (mostly out of necessity to maintain their market share).

This is ridiculous. Paypal will never adopt Bitcoin. Doing that means cutting down their profit margin by 90%. JP Morgan has recently finalized its plans for the "Bitcoin killer". I think PP will soon join them.

Already they have shutdown the production of physical BTCs.

Those plans are 15 years old , and they aren't that willing to put them into practice.
14757  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-12-12 - First shop in Montreal to accept Bitcoins on: December 13, 2013, 11:55:44 PM
So the first Canadian shop that accepts bitcoins in selling espadrilles.
This is sooo funny. Smiley
Indeed clash of cultures.
14758  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-12-13 Market Watch - Fidelity halts bitcoin investments on: December 13, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
I think the story is not quite right.   My sources at Fidelity said something more along the lines of "we are still researching/reviewing."   

That means they are not currently investing. So , there is nothing wrong with the title.
14759  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: 2013-12-12 BLACKMINER RELEASES HIS BITCOIN MINING FAMILY on: December 13, 2013, 11:48:42 PM
So can we pay a visit to your HQ and see actual proofs of your work?

Also can you name those suppliers:?
Cases (Contractor): Bucharest, Romania
Power Supply and Accessories (Reseller): Bucharest, Romania

Also why does your phone match this company:

http://www.vrajitorul.eu/en/firma/19246937/ovipas-srl
Now out of business and located In Suceava?

And this hotel:
Motel Monza
120 RON
Adresă: Strada Chimiei 12, Bacău 600286
Telefon:0744 157 749
14760  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-09] Bloomberg -Twelve Days of Bitcoin: How Hard Is it to Buy One? on: December 13, 2013, 11:37:25 PM
Btw, i would love to send Matt an escort for a night. Is there any escort service in US accepting btc yet? If not, its SO needed. No more hiding CC bills from your spouse.... if you know what i mean Wink

Yeah , no more hiding the bills.
She can check the blockchain to see what you're up to Smiley.
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