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1601  Economy / Reputation / Re: Mighty DTs - no manipulation LOL | Are you okay theymos? on: May 15, 2019, 06:22:16 PM
Newbie account talking about trust system and this is first topic. Posting style is CH,
I have no idea if the OP is CH or not but the ad hominem attacks are not helping anything.
1602  Economy / Reputation / Re: Mighty DTs - no manipulation LOL | Are you okay theymos? on: May 15, 2019, 06:16:52 PM
I think theymos should go back to cultivating a good (default) trust list.

I don’t think the current experiment is a success.
1603  Other / Meta / Re: Vod is abusing his merit source position to give 50 merit to his supporters on: May 15, 2019, 06:13:26 PM
Vod is giving multiple people 50 merit for very low effort posts (they are on topic and not necessarily wrong) in a thread discussing something that reflects on him poorly. He is giving away merit to people supporting him.

I am referring to this thread. Although he is also giving 50 merit to others who have recently supported him.

His status as a merit source should be revoked and reversing the merit transactions should be considered.

And all the other merit he has given at really appropriate post .... if he gives from time to time 50 merit to not let them expire and that being to an in he's opinion good member that will send them away with good care isn't bad as well....
If it would be to shady, newbie accounts, then the story is different....

But for example if VOD goes on a holiday for two weeks not able to be online, then it wouldn't be bad to send them to a good poster, judgemental member to spend them as he sees fit .....

Better to let merit be used for good then let them be expired, just to sell merit, to support shady accounts that are the NO-go's for merit sending....

Don't make noise where no noise is needed. He isn't made a source cause he has bad judgement!

Presumably, Vod is purposefully giving merit inappropriately in an effort to get fired as a merit source
No shit sherlock.
1604  Other / Meta / Re: Division of Powers on: May 15, 2019, 06:11:27 PM
Cryptios has the same access as patrollers, not moderators.

I believe patrollers have the ability to nuke newbie accounts. The ability to nuke newbie accounts is apparently limited, presumably to those who have less than 15 activity but I’m not sure what the exact criteria is for a moderator/patroller to have the authority to nuke a newbie is. I suspect this is to prevent someone who never received merit after being here for a long time from getting nuked, the criteria of doing so is fairly low.

All actions are done “under the right circumstances”.

Admins can also see PMs and unlock accounts (they will probably rarely personally do this because they have hired help for this).

Both admins and global moderators can receive PM reports, that is if you are reporting a specific PM.
1605  Other / Meta / Re: The current permaban situation is ridiculous on: May 15, 2019, 04:50:45 PM

If you are aware of anyone who just “walks away” and you think they should be allowed to return, you should encourage them to appeal their ban with reasons to why returning would benefit the forum.

I really did not want to go down this road, so I will leave it at this:
They were banned for plagiarism for several things for several years, from many places. The issue is that it was *their* work. Proving that would reveal:

1) Their real name.
2) Their real job.
3) 90% of their home address, 99.9999% of their work address.
4) Where they went to school.

So, he walks away.

His choice. Not going to get into it.

-Dave

I don’t understand how or why they would need to disclose that information. The administration wants to know what benefits to the forum there would be if the person is able to continue posting on the forum. In general, this would be shown by pointing to previous posts the person has made and how they are beneficial.

As hilarious said, you can also appeal privately via the email address on the ban message.
1606  Economy / Reputation / Re: REEE: What's wrong with Vod, and Hhampuz on: May 15, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
Anyone else notice the new way these DT1 members are shutting down conversation that doesn't benefit their gang? Simply call the other person a liar or a hypocrite.
The average user just reads this and automatically believes it to be true because the people they look up to are the ones saying it.
But they want forgiveness for their friends.
There is a term for this.

Gaslighting

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
1607  Other / Meta / Re: The current permaban situation is ridiculous on: May 15, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
I really did not want to get into this, but I do think the situation as of now is getting out of hand.
We have bots posting tons of garbage getting banned, BUT good / legit users getting a smackdown on something they did years ago. And some good users are NOT COMING BACK.

Users can appeal. If we feel that they're a net positive and it was for something that happened years ago then a sig ban will likely be issued. Several have already been done today and many more will likely come.


The problem is that they some are not appealing. I know 1 user IRL that just walked away.
Now there were other factors involved, but this was the final push.
*That* is part of the issue. He might be back, might not. You can now find him spending a lot of time on an ieee board.

-Dave

Plagiarism is a very serious problem here that causes a lot of damage. If you are caught doing this, I think it is appropriate to force people to make an argument as to what you are going to contribute to let the person come back.

If someone “walks away” after getting caught, IMO, they don’t care a lot about being able to stay. A long term signature ban is appropriate for these people and I don’t think anyone is going to make a successful argument against handing out signature bans for this.

If you are aware of anyone who just “walks away” and you think they should be allowed to return, you should encourage them to appeal their ban with reasons to why returning would benefit the forum.
1608  Economy / Reputation / Re: REEE: What's wrong with Vod, and Hhampuz on: May 15, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
Vod has gotten a pass a large number of times and by the looks of it he is going to end up getting another pass and once again will not be held accountable.
1609  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bill Gator and OG not telling the whole truth. on: May 15, 2019, 02:13:54 PM
Forgiveness does not mean free of consequence.
I'm not advocating to ban Vod, or even remove Vod from DT - I thought a single temporary DT1 feedback indicating that he had a lapse of judgement that was significantly malicious was appropriate.
The only reason I even have anything to say about the situation anymore, is because I'm sitting here with the biggest bullshit negative feedback from somebody you are all defending as a hero.
I see no reason why any rating should only be “temporary”, especially a few weeks temporary. Two weeks of having a negative rating is basically a non-punishment and realistically is the result of you being excluded from DT.
1610  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Colorado school Shooting! on: May 15, 2019, 05:15:22 AM
I am sure some number of teachers already have the requisite training to be able to safely carry a gun in a school, and there are probably more teachers who are generally interested in this training but have not gotten around to obtaining said skills.

Also, every teacher doesn't need to have a gun, teachers only need to have the option to carry a gun in the school. The goal is not necessarily for the teacher to win a gunfight with an attempted mass shooter, the goal is to deter the mass shooter from going to the school in the first place.


I'm not sure about that. Assuming that the option was viable, formal military and police training would still probably require a few more pieces to be legal. In many jurisdictions, police officers are required to have liability insurance policies to cover them from being sued into oblivion when they make a mistake that their department wont cover. I think it would probably be a hard sell to get a policy without extensive ongoing training. I can't imagine teachers wouldn't be required to have one if they were allowed to carry guns.
I have not heard of that. One solution would be to give teachers a safe harbor if they have certain credentials and take certain precautions, so to prevent them from getting sued frivolously.

Otherwise, if additional training is unavoidable, schools will need to find the funding. I don't know where this money will come from, and the answer is probably different from district to district -- some can probably come from the federal government (and state governments) via grants. At the end of the day, difficult choices will need to be made. In most cases, either taxes will need to be raised, or other programs will need to have their budgets cut to pay for this training.
1611  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Colorado school Shooting! on: May 15, 2019, 02:14:19 AM
Someone wanting to carry out a mass shooting wants to inflict maximum damage to his victims, and going to a gun free zone will mean the shooter has an extended time until he encounters any kind of resistance to his attack. If a shooter were to go into a school in which all the teachers have guns, he would be stopped nearly immidiately, which is not what he wants, so he will not even try.

I am not a fan of the idea of arming teachers. First, teachers would be required to go through at least similar levels of training as police in order to make that viable. The whole, give a vigilante good guy a gun and a 30 minute seminar on how to operate the safety and you are good to go is simply not the case. It might be some people's wet dream to be able to shoot a home invader, but for people who aren't deranged, there is a lot psychologically that goes into actually making the decision to shoot someone, even in a life or death situation. If you put someone who isn't extensively trained into a situation where they are in possession of a weapon and afraid for their life, you end up with bad results. No matter how heroic someone is, it takes a lot of training to be able to go against your body's fight or flight response to behave calmly and not make mistakes. Lets say that somehow every school has a teacher that has been in a combat position in the military or something, who is going to fund them? From my experience, teachers are constantly fighting the government for budget, because they are paying for chalk/whiteboard markers out of pocket. I can't see there being the budget for guns, ammo, training, extra wages for time spent training, hazard pay?
I am sure some number of teachers already have the requisite training to be able to safely carry a gun in a school, and there are probably more teachers who are generally interested in this training but have not gotten around to obtaining said skills. [/quote]

Also, every teacher doesn't need to have a gun, teachers only need to have the option to carry a gun in the school. The goal is not necessarily for the teacher to win a gunfight with an attempted mass shooter, the goal is to deter the mass shooter from going to the school in the first place.
1612  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Philippines Senate Election 2019 - Democracy is dead! on: May 15, 2019, 12:48:23 AM
I do not want to sound politically bias (although it may sound like) but I really feel devastated about the results. I mean, there are lots of candidates whose credentials are far more fitting than most of them. Voting someone who just stole millions of Pesos from the people and still won on the elections?
People will often not vote for the person based on their personal character, they will vote based on the candidates agenda.

Unless there is some evidence of election fraud, or that the elections were otherwise unfair, I would not say that democracy is dead. You need something beyond not liking/agreeing with the outcome.
1613  Other / Meta / Re: Vod is abusing his merit source position to give 50 merit to his supporters on: May 15, 2019, 12:39:30 AM
I don't think the posts are off topic. I think the posts are not 50-merit worthy, and probably not merit worthy at all.

Merit should be given to posts that are objectively high quality, or types of posts that we as a forum want more of.

Others in this thread believe Vod was intentionally acting out in an effort to get fired from being a merit source.
1614  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SCOTUS to become real conservative majority by 2019 on: May 15, 2019, 12:35:29 AM
I was under the impression she is going to fully recover from the cancer she had.

I do agree that RGB is very old and will probably not last through the end of Trump's second term if he get reelected. This is of course speculation.

Well... let me put in some additional details.

Darth Vader Ginsburg is not a smoker and the cancer nodules which were removed from her lungs were not a result of either active or passive smoking. Those were a result from other medical conditions.

She was diagnosed with colon cancer in 1999, and with pancreatic cancer in 2009. Her medical team claims that in both cases, it was early stage cancer and the treatment was 100% success. But now, it looks possible that the nodules were result of metastatic disease from either of the two earlier cases.

That means that her treatment for the earlier cancer cases were not exactly 100% successful. Cancer has spread from colon or pancreas, to the lungs. Her doctors can try to hide this fact, and claim that these nodules will not reappear again. They have reasons to do so. But I am skeptical. If the disease is spreading, then more and more nodules will be found and in some cases the surgeons may not be able to remove them. In such a situation, given her age, she may have 3 to 6 months left to live.
I think you are assuming this was the same cancer each time. This may not be the case.

Ginsburg is having a dedicated team to look after the PR campaign. Every day, they are claiming that she is as healthy as an eighteen year old.
Ultimately her health doesn't matter as long as she is alive. She has a lifetime appointment and can continue to serve until she either dies or retires (or is impeached, but this is unlikely).

Trump should respect RBGs lifetime appointment. If he is seen as trying to push her out because she is sick (even if she is very sick), he will have difficulty getting any replacement confirmed.
1615  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: May 15, 2019, 12:34:34 AM
And I have seen you give away merit (the max you owned) to people that support your position.   Wink

Difference?
Vod has accused me of giving 50 merit to a post that supported my position. I asked for an example and received no response.

I have done neither.
You received no response because that's not what he said.

"max you owned" :=/= 50 merit
I have only depleted my sMerit balance a small number of times, and the last of what I spent has always been a very small amount. Spending 2 or 3 sMerit is of no consequence just because it is the "last" of my sMerit.
1616  Other / Meta / Re: Vod is abusing his merit source position to give 50 merit to his supporters on: May 15, 2019, 12:20:50 AM
On the same thread you got more than 10 merit for  only 2 words post.
I can't control what other people do, and the post was objectively funny.

The post I received merit on also was not taking anyone's side.

Vod's recent merit history is him giving merit in exchange for support.
1617  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: May 14, 2019, 11:10:03 PM
He is giving away 50 merit (the monthly maximum) to anyone supporting his position.

And I have seen you give away merit (the max you owned) to people that support your position.   Wink

Difference?
I don’t believe I have ever given away 50 merit to anyone in a single transaction nor in a single month.

I also don’t give out merit based on the position they have in a dispute. You are going to have to provide an example of either of these things happening.

You are also a merit source, who should be held to a higher standard.

None of the posts you recently gave the remaining balance of the maximum merit you can give in a month reasonably deserve that much merit.
Vod has accused me of giving 50 merit to a post that supported my position. I asked for an example and received no response.

I have done neither.
1618  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod - Trust Abuse - Lies - Intimidation on: May 14, 2019, 10:49:31 PM
Worded the way you have asked the question, BitcoinTalk > OGNasty, every single time. I have no loyalty to that man, I don't know him, I just see something that we all agree is wrong, DOXING, and it warrants negative trust - in my opinion, at least temporarily.

It is not about loyalty, simply about numbers. Please don't mix everything up as the effect of your actions was to directly discredit Vod.

I am saying that your actions put more people at risk of getting scammed, than save people from being doxxed.
There is an incoherence with you reply, as you defend a single man to the detriment of the rest of naive newbies and users.

When a next moon comes, how many people will be safer after they read Vod's stickies ? How many more people will Vod dox ?
How will people feel after reading a sticky with a red box saying that the community believe the OP is a scammer ?

Switch the roles, you'd still be wrong. (Assuming the roles, and all the past actions are switched as well).
That is nonsense. Vods "contributions" do not give him an excuse to act this way. If anything he should be held to a higher standard because others will look to him for how to behave because of his standing. 
1619  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod - Trust Abuse - Lies - Intimidation on: May 14, 2019, 09:34:19 PM
Vod has a history of acting this way.

Frankly I am surprised anyone even decided to try to stand up to him. It is a good thing people are finally opening their eyes about him.

LOL. I didn’t hesitate to call him out. All he can do is tell lies. There’s literally nothing to fear from him. He’s a neutered user here now, biting at the hands of those dog walking him.
Many people seemed to have feared him in the past. As you have seen once you stood up to him, he consistently trolls anyone critical of him. He also has shown himself to hold grudges.

He had used his position on DT to intimidate others. People were afraid of having their reputation trashed by getting on his bad side. Why do you think he has so much merit? I can tell you it isn’t because he makes good posts...
1620  Other / Meta / Re: Vod is abusing his merit source position to give 50 merit to his supporters on: May 14, 2019, 09:25:10 PM
It bums me out to keep seeing these topics. At first they were just annoying, but its getting pretty sad to see. I like Vod, Quickseller, and OgNasty, as well as the handful of others chiming in. Does anyone actually truly care that someone is sending a debatable amount of merits, or have you decided to make lifelong vendettas over stupid stuff that probably barely effects anyone?

If you haven't set fire to each other's houses or screwed each other's dog, is it really worth continuing bickering? It just makes the forum feel more gloomy and less unified. You all have better things to do than fight with each other online, so why keep wasting your own time? You don't need to get along, but knowing when to just ignore someone rather than expending 100 hours responding to a fired shot is a valuable skill. If you keep at it, I'm going to have to start hanging out with the spam bots to avoid pointless forum drama.  Undecided Cry
I care about the integrity of the system. Vods actions compromise that integrity.

Although I hadn’t seen it when I created this thread, Vod had asked to resign from being a merit source prior to my opening this thread. It appears, and others agree, that Vods actions are an attempt to get himself fired from being a merit source. This is instead of resigning gracefully. 
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